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EA Versus Take-Two: How The Takeover Works
Posted by Kotaku US Edition at 3:00 AM on April 17, 2008
When it comes to Electronic Arts' takeover bid for Take-Two, we've heard nothing but silence for the past few weeks. In fact, it looks like business as usual for both companies; while EA's been utterly quiet on the topic, Take-Two has announced an executive hire and an Asian expansion as if nothing were going on.
But tomorrow, Take-Two is set to hold its regularly-scheduled annual meeting for its shareholders, where they can hear from the executives and vote on internal matters. And although this may look like just another routine affair, it might become clear on Thursday night whether EA's bid is likely to succeed— or whether it will end up dead in the water.
Not so clear on what's going on? Hit the jump for the whole story, including the anatomy of a takeover, possible outcomes, the reasons behind Take-Two's resistance, and more.
Neither Take-Two nor EA were immediately available for comment, so to understand what's going on here, let's recap the story so far. On February 19th, EA CEO John Riccitiello sent a letter to Take-Two board chairman Strauss Zelnick, proposing to acquire the company at a price of $US 26 per share. Almost immediately, Zelnick rejected the bid, claiming it "substantially undervalued" Take-Two, and said he wouldn't be willing to discuss a merger between the two companies until after the release of Grand Theft Auto IV.
At that time, Riccitiello urged Zelnck to discuss the matter with him privately — promising he'd take the bid public unless Zelnick agreed. Zelnick did not, and EA's acquisition bid went public on February 25th. Again, Zelnick refused to enter discussions with Riccitiello, promising he'd do so on or after April 30th, claiming he didn't want to jeopardize GTA IV's release with any major transactions — and suggesting that the release would add greater value to Take-Two's stock than EA was giving it credit for.
But analyst Michael Pachter is just one of many in his field who believe that investors are already aware of the value of GTA, and that Take-Two's share price reflects that. "I've put in print a dozen times that I think this game will sell 9 million [units] this fiscal year, and 9 million next fiscal year," he explained to Kotaku. "And I say it, and guys like [Janco Partners analyst] Mike Hickey say it... there are some 30 analysts who cover Take-Two. And I don't think anybody has an estimate below 14 million."
In other words, the release of GTA IV wouldn't change a thing for Take-Two — and yet the board continued to hold out. Faced with Zelnick's resistance, the next step for EA was to go hostile. In this type of scenario, the bidding partner bypasses the board to try and buy shares directly from the company's investors. Any share can be sold — and if EA gets more than 50 percent of the existing shares in Take-Two, they gain control of the company. On March 13th, EA formally announced that offer to the investors. And Take-Two, of course, urged its shareholders not to sell, warning that EA's offer just wasn't good enough. They stressed this again on the 26th.
Pachter doesn't see much merit in Take-Two's unhappiness with the offer value. "The point is that last year, and the year before, they didn't have GTA and they lost a buttload of money," he says. "Take Two loves to brag about all their franchises, but the fact is they have 3 Christmases in a row — '06, '07, and '08 — where they lost money. No other video game company lost money in 3 Christmas quarters in a row in history... If you can't make money at Christmas, you are not the 'best video game company in the world.'"
But Take-Two's been sticking to its guns. Kotaku also got input from Lazard Capital Markets analyst Colin Sebastian, who explained, "When analysts tell you that on one hand [EA's offer] undervalues the company, they're looking at just this year's number, which looks very strong just given that GTA is in the year, because that's a very profitable title. It's a very big year for Rockstar and Take-Two. But if you were to normalize over the past few years, they were losing money. There's another method of valuing the company that's looking at it over a period of time — and it doesn't look like an inexpensive acquisition, if you will."
Added Sebastian, "I would agree with Michael; I personally think that... aside from GTA, I think Take-Two has yet to demonstrate a consistent track record for generating profits, although some of the moves they've made... appear [to be] on the right track. But from the point of of EA it's certainly a risk, because Take-Two has been losing money. The problem is, the longer you wait, the less GTA revenue a potential acquirer could get. EA obviously wants as much GTA in their fiscal year as they can get, and as time goes by, they get less."
So time is of the essence. Why then, doesn't EA just offer more money for Take-Two to try and seal this deal quickly? Pachter explains that EA doesn't need to — they've already offered "substantially more" than the company is worth. Moreover, Zelnick won't negotiate with Riccitiello right now. In fact, Zelnick said that, since EA went public with the bid against his wishes, he'll no longer cooperate with EA by allowing them access to any of the company's information that might help generate a different dollar value.
Pachter compares it to demanding more money for your house without letting potential buyers inside to look at it — and he's baffled by the situation. "I don't get why Take-Two management was not willing to privately meet with EA and discuss a possible combination at a price that is in everybody's best interest. Take-Two management... have repeatedly said that $26 is an unfair, inadequate price. Then why aren't they willing to go sit down with EA, explain why $26 is not a fair price and why some number above that is a more fair price, and at least hear EA explain about whether they're willing to go higher or not? If you don't explain to EA why they should pay more... they're not just going to volunteer to pay more... Riccitiello tried for a couple months to be friendly, and Strauss is the one who was hostile."
In fact, Take-Two has tried to explain, in the information it's released to its investors, but the explanation seems to contain a little bit of fuzzy math. When we talked to Pachter, he helped us parse out what it all meant: "First of all, all analyst estimates on Take-Two are before tax . Because Take-Two lost so much money they don't pay taxes — they pay, like, 3 percent. When you don't make profits to offset losses, you don't pay taxes. But Take-Two is using analyst estimates.... to compare [themselves] to Activision, Ubisoft, THQ and EA... and their analyst estimates are all after-tax. If you're EA and you buy Take-Two — you suddenly pay tax on all Take Two's income, because EA doesn't have big losses... So now is it an inadequate offer?"
Moreover, Pachter points out that Take-Two's stock rose after the EA offer went public — and it's only thanks to that that Take-Two might compare, value-wise, to THQ, who is in "turnaround mode," but not to Activision or Ubisoft, who Pachter says are "kicking ass."
So all signs suggest that the excuses Take-Two have made for why they aren't dealing with EA don't really hold water. So could it be that Take-Two management has a completely different reason for rejecting the offer? Not because it's too cheap, and not because of GTA IV, but because the management might have something else to lose?
Not an offer from another buyer; though Take-Two has said it was entertaining other discussions, no one has stepped up. "If Take-Two was waiting for a white knight... we haven't seen evidence of that happening," Sebastian notes.
Take-Two's SEC filings reveal something interesting. On February 14th, the company management effectively tripled the management fee that Strauss Zelnick's ZelnickMedia receives from $US 62,500 to $US 208,333 — that's per month. Zelnick's management company is also getting a bumped up annual bonus: from $US 750,000 to $US 2,500,000 per year. The real big deal here, though, is the 600,000 shares of common stock that the management also gets as part of the same compensation boost.
Executives often get large stock packages that are supposed to help motivate them to raise the value of the company's stock through their management decisions. But if ZelnickMedia loses control of the company, there's no point in him having such a package. And the filing on the compensation boost makes it plain: In the event of a "change of control" — in other words, if EA's bid succeeds — ZelnickMedia won't get those shares.
So it sure looks like this isn't necessarily about GTA, the value of the stock, or the timing of the offer — except as it inconveniences ZelnickMedia's attempt to make itself a little richer."That's obviously a cynical interpretation of events," says Sebastian. "Not to say it's not true... it's hard to think that it's a pure coincidence."
Kotaku wasn't the only outlet to note the odd, potentially unethical timing of the rejection, either — MarketWatch's Herb Greene is generally credited with exposing the information. Additionally, EA's Jeff Brown disapproved to the LA Times, "If Strauss Zelnick keeps telling people he's a Boy Scout, someone should ask him what merit badge he expects to get for this."
Moreover, Take-Two has taken an extreme measure to try and block the hostile takeover by implementing what's called a "poison pill." The board adopted a measure that says that anybody who buys more than 20 percent of the company's shares after April 7th — in other words, EA — is limited in the number of votes they get in the company. In other words, if EA wins the company, they wouldn't be able to control it.
At the time, Take-Two also moved their annual meeting ahead to April 17th so that it would take place after the April 11th deadline for EA's bid. EA responded by simply revising the offer, extending it until April 18th — and also adding a condition for the offer that would effectively invalidate the poison pill.
We asked Pachter about the poison pill, and he told us that it's a normal thing that happens in hostile takeover situations — but it might not be a major obstacle. "In the history of the U.S., there's never been a poison pill that's actually been implemented," he says. "They're just a pain in the arse obstacle that exists to force EA to sit down and meet with the management of the target company."
Take-Two's investors could vote down the poison pill by deciding that it doesn't apply to this transaction. So right now, the fate of the EA-Take-Two merger is in the investors' hands.
And who are Take-Two's investors? Since its largest investors, Fidelity and Oppenheimer, sold big chunks of their ownership, Pachter doesn't believe that any one person owns more than 5 percent of the company at the moment. Sebastian also believes that interpretation is consistent with the public filings. Instead, Take-Two investors are likely a large group of arbitrageurs: people who buy a stock and then flip it quickly when its value increases. Instead of investors who hold stock for the long-term, these guys make their money through frequent, small gains.
There's a chance that the arbitrageurs may ask EA to raise their offer before they agree to vote down the poison pill — in that way, the pill acts as an inconvenience that could squeeze more money out of EA. But Pachter's almost certain that, if that's the case, then the arbitrageurs have already spoken to EA on their demands — and that EA has probably already agreed to them. Pachter suggests that might be the reason for all the silence on EA's end since the hostile bid was announced: they don't need to say anything. They don't need to brag; they've already won.
Predicts Pachter, "My guess is somebody.... will float a shareholder proposal, a resolution, that the poison pill not apply to this transaction. If that passes — which means more than 50 percent vote — then that tells you the next day, more than 50 percent will tender their shares to EA." And if fewer than 50 percent support a work-around for the poison pill? EA walks.
Take-Two announced today, though, that nobody had submitted any shareholder proposals. And because of the time period that proposals were allowed to be collected, none of the people who have bought Take-Two stock since the bid was announced have a say in the meeting — even though current patterns suggest this could be 50 percent or more of the company's shareholders.
So how might those latecomers — those who might have bought in in anticipation of a sale to EA — get their way, if they can't vote in the meeting? They could convene their own shareholder meeting, explains Pachter, after Take-Two's. As of right now, though, Take-Two's stock is trading just above the almighty $US 26 number — and Pachter surmises this could mean that the arbitrageurs holding the stock have faith that the EA deal will be accomplished.
Lazard's Sebastian has a more moderate view of what might go down at Thursday's meeting: "I think we'll find out how many shares have been tendered, and as of the last... I think there were 500 shares that have been tendered to EA. So it's almost nil — and probably because people want to know what the alternatives are. If you're Take-Two management, your options are to sell to EA — or go back to where you were, [a share price of] $US 15-17." According to Sebastian, Take-Two must convince its shareholders it has a plan to raise the stock price over $US 26. "It'll be up to shareholders to decide," he says.
What about that Asian expansion Take-Two just announced? "It doesn't hurt the valuation," says Sebastian. "A long-term strategic plan for building out [into] Asia is important. But I think it's too transparent... you can't just hire somebody and suddenly your company is worth 20 percent more. That's a little too transparent."
Pachter believes the merger would be in the best interest of both game developers and gamers, resulting in "more games, less crap." Games like Midnight Club, for example, would join a rotation with games like Burnout, meaning more selection and more frequent releases of high-quality titles. And the Rockstar mainstays wouldn't suffer, Pachter suggests. "GTA is not ever going to be different. EA's not going to mess up the formula. And I think, internally at Take-Two, a lot of those people are going to breathe a sigh of relief," Pachter says of the possible merger. "Sid Meier, Ken Levine — those guys are gonna love EA, because EA's gonna pump out more copies of their game."
Either way, we could see a turning point in this long battle as early as Friday morning, following decisions to be made at the Thursday evening meeting. At the very least, by EA's Friday deadline, it will have to revise its bid or let it go. Will it be a victory for EA, or will they walk? Let's see what the investors say.
[The full archive of the public disclosures by Take-Two and EA contained in this article can be found at Take-Two's investor relations site, at Electronic Arts' investor relations site, and at the SEC's public archive of filings on the matter.]

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SpishackCola
Posted 4:06 AM 17/4/08
@Derigor:
I was definitely mad at EA about the way they handled Origin and Westwood, but they seem to have righted the ship with how they are currently handling Pandemic and Bioware. If they can continue to stay the course of letting developers they purchase do their own thing while infusing them with the extras EA can provide in publishing the game, and not freaking out if one game doesn't do as well as projected, then I won't get on EA's case in acquiring T2.
SpishackCola
Ejvid04
Posted 4:04 AM 17/4/08
I think TakeTwo has alot of potiential that has been misplaced by poor leadership. The company fight EA and keep expanding, and put much more effort into their awsome 2k sports series.
Ejvid04
Miss Liz
Posted 4:02 AM 17/4/08
@Catalyst: I think that was mentioned in the article. Both Fidelity and Oppenheimer sold a great deal of their stock in T2 and I don't believe the majority is owned by financial institutions at this point. At least not up to 50%. I could be wrong, could to do some digging to find out for sure.
For everyone that thinks this is going to be horrible for gamers, I am not too sure about that. Knowing a bit about Riccitiello and his history, especially when it comes down to EA and the leaps and bounds EA has come, even since he took over, it will be a good thing.
I think Rockstar will be fine and mainly untouched by the evil hands that once were EA in the bad years. It will end up more like the Activision Blizzard deal. Everyone freaked out about that changing and destroying Blizzard and WOW and nothing has happened. The world hasn't ended and Blizzard is still updating WOW. And I don't think it will be any different for Rockstar and GTA with EA.
Fantastic article Leigh, I am getting ready to read your last Gama opinion piece and look forward to seeing you more on Kotaku.
Miss Liz
Lowbar
Posted 4:02 AM 17/4/08
Nice post. That was a very interesting read. I've never been very interested in economics but a glimpse at how big companies do business is kind of fascinating.
Lowbar
Gus Johnson's Cardiologist
Posted 4:00 AM 17/4/08
Yeah, this would be terrible for gamers. I would hate to see what Rockstar could do developing for a publisher that makes money, rather than one that loses money with the exception of every fourth year. Say what you want about EA, but they aren't dumb. They aren't going to turn over GTA to Tiburon because they bought TT.
Gus Johnson's Cardiologist
Cypher19
Posted 4:00 AM 17/4/08
@Derigor:
You do realize that EA already has dealings with Japanese companies, right? For example, iirc, every Square-Enix title you buy in North America and EU is published by EA (through the EA partners program; same thing as Rock Band, The Orange Box (console), and a bunch of other titles).
Also, I hope for the sake of your mind that that opinion of how EA handles DLC isn't set in stone.
Cypher19
nxp3
Posted 3:58 AM 17/4/08
@mva5580: Why waste man hours to do very similar things. It can only hurt them, that will never happen. And EA sports is too big to let it die, so 2K Sports will have to go if they do acquire T2.
nxp3
Feendawg
Posted 3:57 AM 17/4/08
Very well written. I hate that it sounds like EA is right though... that doesn't settle well with me
Feendawg
Derigor
Posted 3:56 AM 17/4/08
@hotcoffeeburns: "They aren't threatened by Take2. They want to own them because they want the money the franchise brings in. EA is far less likely now (which has kinda been proven with Bioware) to buy a company and had over the franchise to another team. They are not just going to dissolve teams and put stuff elsewhere. They are going to keep the people where they are, doing what they do."
Sure EA is doing stuff like that now with PAndemic/Bioware but what about the days of yore? Origin? Virgin/Westwood guys? Most of them got k-lined and squeezed out of their own projects. I know alot of the Red Alert guys got canned after the take over and had a start-up down here in Houston. Cant remember what theym ade but I want to say they were working on a few RTS's (was several years ago, dunno if they exist anymore).
Previous EA practices involve
1) buy company
2) reduce staff
3) hand off said popular franchises to existing EA dev studios
4) rape franchise name because suckers will buy into it.
That's what people Fear will happen (even though old evil EA claims they have turned the proverbial leaf).
@mva5580: I agree with you, if they kept 2K sports alive, but with more money backing them and allowed them use of the NFL likenesses, Competition would be great. They might be forced to actually make a new Madden for once instead of strip features then add them back in as "classic" features the next year. Seriously, dont mess with my NHL 2K!
Derigor
Grive
Posted 3:55 AM 17/4/08
@nastysquared:
And why would this be?
@El Patricko:
Pretty much spot on, just add a dash of "excessive greed" as a motive to the mixture, and you've got a very succint summary of the post: A couple of rather greedy morons are willing to damage their companies for fun and profit.
Grive
risingphoenix
Posted 3:55 AM 17/4/08
@nxp3: Actually, from a business standpoint investors would be stupid not to accept EAs offer. They would be making roughly 6 dollars a share. The current trading price already has GTA IV factored in.
However, with that said, I hope there is some sort of miracle and EA gets denied because EA treats the industry like a business. This means that deadlines will be met in favor of profit rather than polish. If EA wins, you can expect cut corners and rehashes from here until the end of time.
I can't wait till GTA V where they remove the lead characters mustache and it runs at a blazing 10 frames per second!!
risingphoenix
Gray665
Posted 3:54 AM 17/4/08
great write up, I have a much better understanding of everything thats going on. That said, I still don't like it one bit. Fuck EA.
Gray665
SpishackCola
Posted 3:52 AM 17/4/08
Mmmmhmmm! So tasty! I can't wait to see how this is going to play out. Since I'm still trying to find that first professional job (as an analyst oddly enough) I can't say much as I don't really have the money to buy the game at the moment, but I do agree with both analysts that investors know of TT's valuation and estimated stock pricing during a fiscal year. Without anything else big to complement GTA during a fiscal year, the stock will eventually dip below $20 imo (and most of the stock increase right now is from the possible take over by EA). Thursday night into Friday is going to be quite interesting!
SpishackCola
Resso
Posted 3:51 AM 17/4/08
Interesting read... but I DO hope EA gives more money to someone else T_T... like... ArcSys or Sammy whoever it is behind Guilty Gear, THEY NEED THE MONEY TOO!
Resso
Derigor
Posted 3:49 AM 17/4/08
Oh side note, not to mention the Death of the 2K sports series. Course I always have NFL 2k to play on my old xbox should the need ever arise (it wont ever) but that sucks for sports gamers out there. I mean the 2k NHL games were DANG good.
Derigor
Catalyst
Posted 3:49 AM 17/4/08
@hotcoffeeburns: I assume you are referring to anti-trust matters (like monopolies), which are handled by the DOJ. You're probably thinking the FCC because of the XM/Sirius merger which did have to go before them. I don't think this deal would have to go before any other regulatory agencies, but I could be wrong. I don't see any issues that could cause an eyebrow to be raised here.
Catalyst
hotcoffeeburns
Posted 3:48 AM 17/4/08
@nxp3: They aren't threatened by Take2. They want to own them because they want the money the franchise brings in. EA is far less likely now (which has kinda been proven with Bioware) to buy a company and had over the franchise to another team. They are not just going to dissolve teams and put stuff elsewhere. They are going to keep the people where they are, doing what they do.
I love how people say that this is bad for gamers, but I don't see how development houses having MORE MONEY with which to make games is a bad thing for any gamer. Not just speaking of the gamers, but a company like EA has much more money to put behind marketing campaigns, which for developers means more copies sold.
As long as EA doesn't mess with GTAIV's release date, I'm cool.
hotcoffeeburns
mva5580
Posted 3:48 AM 17/4/08
The biggest injustice in all of this would be the demise of the 2K Sports series if EA were to obtain Take 2. I mean everything else, you're not talking about a huge difference in terms of game design, creation, etc. I can't imagine people would tell the difference in the new Bioshock game whether it was under Take 2 or EA. The team that creates that game is still going to have big time creative freedom. No less at least than being at Take 2 itself.
The motives of EA here are pretty obvious. They want GTA, and they want the 2K Sports series. I can't imagine this acquistion involves much more than those 2 factors right there.
Now if Electronic Arts REALLY had balls and had the best interest of the consumer in mind, they would acquire Take 2, and still allow the 2K Sports brand to live on under the EA umbrella. How great would it be to see competition between these two sports development teams in-house? And then you would have all of the rights to these sports available to both companies so they could really get down to it and find out who makes the best game.
That would be a very exciting prospect for me, but obviously the odds of it actually happening are very small. As exciting as that would be, I'll be equally discouraged by the death of the 2K Sports series when/if this whole thing goes down.
mva5580
Derigor
Posted 3:47 AM 17/4/08
GTA5! Now with More DLC! for 2000 MS points you can download a 12kb file to unlock what you already paid for on the disc!
Expect "The Sims" treatment. AKA 2 billion expansion packs for GTA and maybe 1 engine update (in 13 years).
/Sigh
Well as long as EA doesnt go after Anything Japanese I guess I'll be happy. Hide under the blankets Capcom and Konami, so the EA under the bed doesnt get you!
Derigor
AEREC
Posted 3:44 AM 17/4/08
@nxp3:
Internet forums do not represent "gamers everywhere."
The majority of gamers just want the game and dont really care who makes it.
AEREC
TheRunningboard7
Posted 3:44 AM 17/4/08
@nxp3: By going under the company, itself.
TheRunningboard7
Catalyst
Posted 3:42 AM 17/4/08
Kudos Kotaku. I always cringe when a business or legal topic gets posted on blogs like this, as they are almost always full of misinformation, incorrect facts, and no research of how these things actually operate. Someone finally did some research! As a gamer and a lawyer, this post gets my seal of approval.
The one thing that hasn't really been mentioned is that the majority of Take Two stock is owned by financial institutions, who are a lot less likely to put up with this kind of stunt from the board. The shareholder meeting should be interesting.
Catalyst
nxp3
Posted 3:42 AM 17/4/08
@TheRunningboard7:
That's the thing, EA can't drink the milkshake, they have to buy it.
nxp3
hotcoffeeburns
Posted 3:42 AM 17/4/08
The big question I have is this, and it'll take someone with some knowledge of takeovers to answer.
Even if EA does get the requisite 51% share holding, does their owning of the company go into immediate effect? Aren't there things that need to be approved by the FCC and such before it can be official?
I guess my big question is, could they really delay GTAIV less than two weeks from its release? :p
hotcoffeeburns
AEREC
Posted 3:42 AM 17/4/08
Imagine seeing "Connecting to EA servers" before starting up a multiplayer game of GTAIV. Horrifying.
EA has a certain taint on thier name...though it has lessened lately and theyve put out some good games...I still dont want them anywhere near Rockstar or the GTA series.
I just want to know what all this means for Rockstar?
AEREC
nxp3
Posted 3:41 AM 17/4/08
Judging by the positive response of gamers everywhere for GTA4, T2 would have to be stupid to let this deal go through. I hope they have some smarter investors than that. EA just want to kill GTA so they can have a monopoly over everything. This is a bad deal for all gamers and eventally, bad for EA. EA should be concentrating on making their games great rather than making crappy games and buying out evryone that threatens them.
nxp3
TheRunningboard7
Posted 3:37 AM 17/4/08
I thought all it needed was a man to come in and explain simply:
"I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!"
TheRunningboard7
PissedPS3Fan
Posted 3:37 AM 17/4/08
I actually hope EA wins this battle. I really don't like Zelnick.
PissedPS3Fan
Milihpen
Posted 3:34 AM 17/4/08
Milihpen
El Patricko
Posted 3:33 AM 17/4/08
I find all of this to be extremely frustrating. Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that a small group of very wealthy, out of touch suits could, at the end of the day determine the fate of something that I hold dear. I guess that's the way this world works though.
El Patricko
liquid_kore
Posted 3:31 AM 17/4/08
Wow this takeover is filled with as much melodrama as a MGS story.
liquid_kore
Master Saji
Posted 3:31 AM 17/4/08
I actually read half of this, understanding a little(I'm not an investor or anything of the sort) but it seems to me that Take2 is being obnoxiously stubborn, and think that they'll do better off after GTA IV releases than before because something about more money after the release and they'll be fine afterwards, or something.
I honestly think a merger would help Take2 more than hurt them, especially with EA, but at the same time, I think EA is looking for a life raft of some sort.
Just my non-expert opinions :P
Master Saji
nastysquared
Posted 3:30 AM 17/4/08
I'm going to say that no matter how this turns out... gamers will not win.
nastysquared
Mr.SithNinja
Posted 3:30 AM 17/4/08
@rainofwalrus: I am glad to see that you are leading the charge with your own.
Mr.SithNinja
Miksho
Posted 3:29 AM 17/4/08
Great to see you officially on Kotaku, Ms. Alexander. Crecente and Bashcraft continue to build their dream team. Your writing on SVGL inspired me to take my own writing seriously, because for the first time in a while, I saw someone doing games writing in a different direction. Obviously I wasn't the only one who noticed!
Miksho
Fyren
Posted 3:29 AM 17/4/08
Alot of analysts are telling the holders to jump the gun.
If I wasn't a gamer and was offered 62% premium, I would take it in a heartbeat.
Fyren
rainofwalrus
Posted 3:28 AM 17/4/08
excellent post... now let the idiotic comments begin.
rainofwalrus
StupidDufus
Posted 3:25 AM 17/4/08
Good research. I enjoyed the read.
StupidDufus
N15PCA
Posted 3:25 AM 17/4/08
All I care about is GTA IV coming out april 29.
N15PCA
Raziel Dune
Posted 3:24 AM 17/4/08
This just in EA takes over Take-Two millions of 360's and PS3's were burned today when gamers turned back to the PC then relized EA does PC to. /EndrandomRant.
Raziel Dune
Snuffbox
Posted 4:39 AM 17/4/08
Also, big props to Kotaku for another fantastic piece. There's great insight here that we won't find anywhere else.
I'd like to add that T2 has really turned itself around structurally. The fact that T2 lost money the last three years, though relevant, is not that important because those losses occurred under completely different leadership.
Snuffbox
CapeMonkey
Posted 4:38 AM 17/4/08
IANAL, but I would think EA would be forced to either continue operating 2K Sports as a separate entity, sell it off entirely, or even never get to acquire that in the first place - if it was legally considered a monopoly.
CapeMonkey
3inst3in
Posted 4:37 AM 17/4/08
@rainofwalrus: and you're the first one.
good post. i think all any of us are really concerned with is pachter's possible scenario of GTA4 being delayed.
3inst3in
Snuffbox
Posted 4:36 AM 17/4/08
Pachter makes so many ridiculous statements, I've gotten tired of counting.
He makes unsubstantiated claims all the time like "Ken Levine and Sid Meier would love to work for EA." Hell, he even suggests Rockstar would like it.
The problem is, those guys don't need EA's marketing to sell their games. Based on what I have read of the Rockstar execs, being incorporated into EA would not be consistent with their ethics. What do those developers have to gain by joining EA? A marginal bump in sales?
For the sake of gaming competitiveness, I hope that this merger is soundly rejected by shareholders tomorrow.
Snuffbox
ShaggyB
Posted 4:36 AM 17/4/08
as long as i get my gta by the end of the month i dont care who owns take two.
ShaggyB
Wernious
Posted 4:35 AM 17/4/08
Thank you for this excellent article.
Wernious
mva5580
Posted 4:35 AM 17/4/08
@axiomatic: Well at least you can buy it used and still enjoy it, that way EA doesn't directly get any of YOUR money. win-win =)
mva5580
Sam_Lowry
Posted 4:33 AM 17/4/08
OK I know it's been proven that praying for something/someone doesn't make any difference at all. But man I hope Take Two can fight the good fight and keep EA away because having a Grand Theft Auto game with an EA logo on the box is like having a swastika on the white house.
Sam_Lowry
axiomatic
Posted 4:29 AM 17/4/08
Sorry to be this way but this is how it's going to play out for me.
EA will never see another dime of my $$$. So if EA buys Take-Two prior to the release of GTA IV then I guess I won't be buying GTA IV. It's that simple.
axiomatic
TomHayden
Posted 4:26 AM 17/4/08
Phenomenal work Ms. Alexander. It's very nice to read a well written, well reported piece by someone who actually understands what's going on. More posts PLZ!
@Carbomb,
It doesn't really matter that TTWO is in the middle of a restructuring or is on the way to financial recovery (if that is even the case, which I doubt). Why should the shareholders wait to see the gains from such moves, which may take years to materialize, when they can sell to EA and realize the gains from that transaction immediately? It seems more likely to me that all of the Board's proffered reasons for refusing the deal are just a smokescreen for the Directors to hide behind when they get sued for breaching their fiduciary duties because the real reason they want to maintain control is to get their fat new compensation package.
TomHayden
Dakobah
Posted 4:23 AM 17/4/08
As long as there will always be 2k sports and top spin, ill be happy.
but EA buyout seems to suggest no 2k and no more top spin.
so me mad.
Dakobah
enewtabie
Posted 4:21 AM 17/4/08
Very very informative post and I agree that some Developers will love EA for the cash/capabilty to get more games out there.
enewtabie
AndrewG009
Posted 4:20 AM 17/4/08
Incredible, excellent lunch hour reading. Heck, excellent reading, period.
AndrewG009
mva5580
Posted 4:18 AM 17/4/08
@nxp3: See though, this is the problem with this acquisition if it's such an obvious decision. Is this not essentially the definition of a monopolistic action? Acquire your competition, and then eliminate them? I don't understand how this particular action could be allowed.
You can definitely say that EA acquiring a company is not monopolistic because they're not acquiring the ONLY other company in existence. EA may acquire comapanies, but there are still many more outside of them to compete with and make different products.
But when you say that they're going to acquire Take 2, and then totally eliminate the 2K Sports series as a whole so EA Sports essentially has the sports market wrapped up, to me that is the actions of a monopoly.
Of course the legalities of it all most likely say that it isn't, and that's really all that matters in the end. But if you're EA, and you acquire Take 2 only to abolish a series which has made some great, great sports games, I don't care how much more your EA Sports games sell that is just not good.
You're going to create some bitter, bitter feelings towards your company and while that one decision certainly wouldn't cripple them, you're going down a bad road.
mva5580
code.monkey
Posted 4:12 AM 17/4/08
Don't think GTA is the only (and one may go so far as to say primary) reason EA wants Take 2. Rockstar's contract with Take 2 is ending either at the end of this year or early next year, at which time they essentially become "free agents" to sign with whoever they want. If EA wants them, they have to pay again.
code.monkey
Miss Liz
Posted 4:12 AM 17/4/08
@hotcoffeeburns: I totally agree with your sentiments. It's not a bad thing to have more money for development especially on bigger more in-depth projects. As long as they don't start thinking that throwing money at something will fix a huge problem, then there's an even bigger problem.
@Derigor: You have a point on what EA used to do. And I don't know if you share the sentiment, but John went over what happened with Virgin/Westwood and Origin at DICE and its about time someone saw the issue and talked about it publicly.
I believe that's part of the reason he left EA originally, it was horribly bad management. I mean EA can't ignore the studios that they left well enough alone *cough* Maxis *cough* making more money than the ones they hijacked.
I don't know about the 2K Sports section though... I tend to like those sports games better, honestly. I mean I think 2K football has been selling better than Madden recently so maybe they want that too. *shrugs*
Miss Liz
nxp3
Posted 4:11 AM 17/4/08
@cduran02:
Exactly, I worked for a company before that was acquired. It aint fun. Everything is about the money, they will try to cut every corner to make profit. They make it all sound great, but once you worked for them, it's nothing like they promised. They call it globalisation, we call it, you are screwed, look for a new job.
nxp3
meltyman
Posted 4:11 AM 17/4/08
I, for one, dont have a problem with EA taking over Take Two. As long as games i like come out, i'm good. I already made peace with the fact that most of the entertainment i like is a business. Video games, animation, movies, Its all a business and nothing i do, will ever change that.
If EA offers DLC, i'll wait, no need to rush, its going to be free eventually. If Sony takes away rumble because of a lawsuit not matter what their pr said, i'll survive, i'll just wait for rumble. No need to get stressed over whats simply business.
Anyways, this was an interesting read, its not often i get to read well written analysis on the business behind vvideo games.
meltyman
madbassman39
Posted 4:09 AM 17/4/08
I dont like you EA
madbassman39
huginn
Posted 4:08 AM 17/4/08
TT's Stock is right now trading on the common, public market at $26 and change a share.
What master would you rather have? Thousands of savy shareholders, or soul stealing one.
huginn
Terance
Posted 4:08 AM 17/4/08
Pretty much the best written thing I've ever read on Kotaku. Amazing.
Simply, amazing.
Terance
nxp3
Posted 4:07 AM 17/4/08
@risingphoenix: I don't mean treaten in a sense that T2 would threaten them anyway, but EA is not happy that other company are successful, as if it's taking money from them.
This is bad for gamers because once EA owns it, they're going to (i know it's been said over and over, nickel and dime us on everything). Instead of inovating and making new games, they'll just try to sell us parts of the game. And as a gamer, I wouldn't want to buy that game again.
nxp3
cduran02
Posted 4:07 AM 17/4/08
WOW......this all sounds soooo familiar to me. The company I work for is being acquired by a larger company. The board meeting is going to happen sometime soon.
Its a real nail biter and not fun at all for those that work in the acquired company.....LIKE ME!
cduran02
CARBOMB
Posted 4:07 AM 17/4/08
As someone who worked for Take-Two I think it's important to point out some key facts this article is missing:
Strauss Zelnick was brought on as chairman of the board when the then current chairman failed to file with the SEC properly and basically opened the company up to having to deal with the US Government in courts due to questionable money management regarding their stocks.
Zelnick's history is that of being brought in during shareholder takeovers and turning companies around for sale (Google the dude). His hire at Take-Two was and is no different. The company is undergoing major restructuring and consolidation of its studios in order to make it more attractive to potential buyers. Kotaku has covered this; shutdown of Kush Games/2K Los Angeles and the formation of a larger 2K Marin.
So, add to your equation that Take Two is on an upswing structurally, fiscally, and what we know about GTA as well Bioshock 2 being in the works and you'll see that, if anything, they're simply not read to sell, yet.
Maybe they won't sell, but certainly not until they're done polishing the company up so it can fetch a better price for the shareholders. Take-Two isn't hurting and knows it's going to be worth more very soon.
CARBOMB
Blinkman
Posted 5:21 AM 17/4/08
I'm so torn. EA is garbage and ruined every single studio in the 90s. Now they have studios like Bioware that pretty much release beta-versions of their retail games for full price. Load screens during a Mass Effect boss fight? How do people buy this stuff?!?!
Anyway, T2 board looks equally stupid.
Unlike the battle of Anon vs Scientology, there's no clear-cut lesser evil to cheer for.
Blinkman
Whyspir
Posted 5:17 AM 17/4/08
I smell a Sports Monopoly coming on.
Mmm...Illegality.
Anyway, maybe the reason Zelnick keeps refusing is because he shares the same views as the 'informed gamer' and he doesn't want his current baby to become a sellout? Who knows.
Sure it works for Bioware, they didn't have anything touched. Westwood got the preverbial rape at the get go...and their games are finally coming back to their feet now...after what? near on more then a decade?
I hope someone eventually gets enough money and buys out EA, even if it's someone like Microsoft. Bill's probably got cash to share, maybe he should do it.
Whyspir
ghostgirl
Posted 5:05 AM 17/4/08
Fantastic article, and a great read. I wish we'd see more things like this on Kotaku :)
ghostgirl
dphrygian
Posted 5:01 AM 17/4/08
"'And I think, internally at Take-Two, a lot of those people are going to breathe a sigh of relief,' Pachter says of the possible merger. 'Sid Meier, Ken Levine - those guys are gonna love EA, because EA's gonna pump out more copies of their game.'"
Pachter doesn't seem to understand the first thing about games as art or entertainment. He understands business and money, so he can make informed statements about what publishers and their shareholders might be thinking. But statements like this suggest that he doesn't understand developers. I don't think any developer wants to just "pump out more copies" of their game. Yes, they like it when their games sell. No, they don't want to milk franchises to death. Money only matters so far as it's there to let them keep making the games they love to make.
Good article, anyhow. Nicely collates most of the existing info on the offer, including some stuff I hadn't read before.
dphrygian
Spoony Bard
Posted 4:50 AM 17/4/08
Beautiful article, Leigh. If you don't mind, I'm going to share this with some of my MBA buddies.
Spoony Bard
Matt008
Posted 4:45 AM 17/4/08
@TheRunningboard7: Ah, but who's drinking who's milkshake in this situation, hmm?
Matt008
Catalyst
Posted 5:44 AM 17/4/08
And the comments begin the amateur lawyering. It's expected, I guess, but there is nothing monopolistic about this. Every single game studio on the planet is free to make sports games, but the professional sports leagues have licensed their name out to EA, Take-Two, and dozens of other developers in the past (Ken Griffey Baseball for Nintendo, etc.).
This isn't Standard Oil. This isn't as if EA can stop everyone from making sports games.
Catalyst
beem
Posted 5:43 AM 17/4/08
Leigh, how much did EA pay you to write that article?
beem
LucRichard
Posted 5:39 AM 17/4/08
I just want to say something in general. Most of us would agree that competition in business is good. Yet there are many people (conservatives, ahem) who would agree with this statement who also never saw a merger/takeover they didn't like. When this goes through the number of major publishers/competitors will shrink and the number of choices will shrink as well. This will be apparent right off the bat with the sports titles. Unless someone else steps up, which might happen, sports titles will continue to suffer in quality.
Also, on another note, how come we haven't heard that GTA 4 has gone gold? Does Rockstar not announce that info or has it just not happened yet? We are only two weeks away from the release! Does anyone know anything about this?
LucRichard
beeporama (brian.j.parker)
Posted 5:31 AM 17/4/08
Great to see you over here, Leigh; nice first article. Sure, no cake or dirty Persona 3 pictures, but this is even better.
Now I hope gamers will read this and understand this isn't as simple as the "good guys" fighting off "evil EA." I'm really ambivalent about it, myself; I share concerns about EA's culture, but hardly see T2 as riding on a white horse in shiny armor. I hadn't considered the way this might actually lengthen development cycles. (Like if they choose to rotate Burnout and Midnight Club, instead of killing one of them.)
beeporama (brian.j.parker)
nastysquared
Posted 6:33 AM 17/4/08
@Grive: Why? Because after reading the article it seems to me that:
1. Take-Two isn't exactly setting the world on fire, losing money three consecutive Christmas seasons in a row is bad news for any company
2. EA put forth a damn nice deal for the shareholders, the premium offered is great and since it's speculated that many of the shareholders are arbitrageurs it seems to me that they'll be more than willing to go ahead and sell their stock in Take-Two
Which leads to A. Take-Two being bought out by EA or B. Take-Two continuing to struggle financially when there's not a new GTA on shelves
In my opinion neither of these two outcomes seem to benefit the gamer.
nastysquared
beem
Posted 6:30 AM 17/4/08
It's clear many of you are only praising the article's stance because it was written by a female.
beem
RFX
Posted 6:24 AM 17/4/08
Just wanted to come in and tell Leigh that was an absolutely fantastic article. Really well researched, got all the important info, and most importantly, presented perfectly. Thanks for that.
RFX
dead_red_eyes
Posted 6:24 AM 17/4/08
@TheRunningboard7: - ""I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!""
That pretty much says it all. Great article Leigh!!!!
dead_red_eyes
thewisestfool
Posted 6:12 AM 17/4/08
If anyone is interested in a good read and a book with what seems like a very similar plot to this whole EA-Take Two business, I would recommend picking up The Steep Road To Garbadale.
P.S. I didnt write the book. I just like it.
P.P.S. MUAHAHAHA! IM GONNA BE RICH!!!
P.P.P.S. Oh yeah... forgot to stop typing...
thewisestfool
LucRichard
Posted 6:06 AM 17/4/08
@Catalyst: Yeah, it's not technically a monopoly, but it might as well be as far as many if not most sports gamers are concerned. I know that as private entities the NFL, MLB, etc can sell license exclusivity to whomever, I just think it sucks and again, as far as gamers are concerned it might as well be a monopoly as it is blatantly anti-competition.
LucRichard
EndersGame
Posted 5:55 AM 17/4/08
@LucRichard: "Also, on another note, how come we haven't heard that GTA 4 has gone gold? Does Rockstar not announce that info or has it just not happened yet? We are only two weeks away from the release! Does anyone know anything about this?
"
...delays are imminent.
EndersGame
DaiMacculate
Posted 7:07 AM 17/4/08
@Catalyst: Explain to me how Apple's iPod is non-competitive. They released an MP3 player, there are others on the market, the market chose their player and their free client software.
I know the EU keeps trying to argue against them, but the basis they're arguing against them on is true of every other online music retailer, the difference being that Apple is successful and worth suing, the others are not and aren't.
I know it was just your example, but I see this tossed off all the time and I want to know: what evidence supports this conclusion? iTunes ain't perfect, I've had my issues with it myself, but in no way does the iPod force you to use iTunes, and Apple has done nothing to force competitors to cease competing, so I just don't get how they are truly "anti-competitive". From where I'm sitting, they just beat everybody else, nothing unfair about winning is there?
For the record, I find the EU's case against MS a bit tenuous as well, but at least in the case of MS they have enough backlog of true anti-competitive behavior (giving IIS away for free than charging once they'd damaged Lotus sufficiently, muscling out OS/2, etc etc) that it kinda justifies it.
DaiMacculate
WolvenOne
Posted 6:59 AM 17/4/08
Frankly, I don't see being bought out by EA as a good thing for the developers. Not the business men but the developers specifically, and by association, the games and audience.
The problem, is that EA's corporate culture, does not place enough value on the quality of their games. Their emphasis is on the franchises, the name, and they only allow the developers free reign when they've developed a legendary status, that few developers have.
The end result of this, is rushed, sloppy, game design. Whenever they acquire a new company, many developers flee ship, and the remaining ones are essentially condemned to, "development hell."
So, no, I don't see being bought out by EA as good for anybody, except the men in suits.
WolvenOne
PhilESkyline
Posted 6:50 AM 17/4/08
I pray the Take-Two investors reject the offer. But they do need to think long term. GTA is the only thing making them real money so they might bend to EA. If they do I just want them to do it after 4/29/08 to ensure the release of GTAIV. EA is in such a rush to buy that it concerns me about the launch.
PhilESkyline
Foglight55
Posted 6:49 AM 17/4/08
I just don't want to see Grand Theft Auto and Bioshock, and all the other good Take-Two games turn out like Guitar Hero 3 did, you can't look at anything in the background without seeing some kind of advertising, I wouldn't mind that much if it was just guitar and music related stuff, but Axe body spray and Red Bull? If I see billboards for Axe and Red Bull in every corner of a GTA game I'm going to be pissed if that game is not cheaper than the regular rate. Guitar Hero 3 is like playing commercials.
Foglight55
Catalyst
Posted 6:42 AM 17/4/08
@beem: What? I'm praising it because almost every single article that tries to combine business or law into gaming always end up retarded. This one was not one of those. Was that a joke? Not everyone who posts on the internet is a SO-less chump who needs to praise the opposite sex. This isn't Ventrilo on WoW.
@LucRichard: Well, since it's technically not a monopoly, and other options are available, there won't be any government action over this. This isn't Apple-Ipod, Microsoft-Internet Explorer, or any of the other examples of true anti-competitive behavior. There are other sports games, and, more importantly, there are other games. Like the XM/Siriur merger, they may have been the only satellite radio outfits, but there were the tons and tons of non-satellite radio stations.
Catalyst
Fireblast
Posted 6:39 AM 17/4/08
@Blinkman: Are you saying EA does beta test their games? The reality is EA doesn't. And by the way Mass Effect is a great game despite anything you said.
Fireblast
DaiMacculate
Posted 7:41 AM 17/4/08
@Catalyst: Oh, so the fact that they don't play Microsoft's proprietary music format is a problem?
"Apple could license the WMA format from Microsoft for less than 2 cents per iPod, lawyers say, which would make iPods and iPhones, old and new, compatible with music purchased online from rivals like Wal-Mart, Napster, Best Buy, Yahoo and others.
Most downloads sold by those companies are WMA files wrapped with digital rights management, or DRM, codes that limit copying and set expiration dates on files from services that have monthly subscription charges." - From Your Link.
The reason they would have to pay those 2 cents? Because those WMA files have DRM. DRM which Apple would have to support themselves, basically, to keep the iTunes system running the same way it does now for all the users who really enjoy it.
Same thing with iTunes tracks, which also have DRM-mandated in both cases by the labels-they won't play on your Zune.
So MS and Apple are doing the same thing. Apple is successful at it, and all the other WMA-based players are getting creamed. Apple is getting sued and MS and their partners are not, despite the fact they are ALL DOING THE SAME THING!
So yeah, you'll forgive me if I don't see Apple doing the same thing as every other company, at the behest of the labels like every other company, as somehow evil or anti-competitive. If you want to play files without DRM that don't play iPod-native, you can re-encode them, just like other players.
DaiMacculate
pharcotix
Posted 7:33 AM 17/4/08
"Pachter believes the merger would be in the best interest of both game developers and gamers, resulting in "more games, less crap.""
Wow. I don't even know how he came to that conclusion.
If EA buys T2, its the death of sports gaming... I'm praying it doesn't happen.
pharcotix
LucRichard
Posted 7:31 AM 17/4/08
@Catalyst: "There are other sports games, and, more importantly, there are other games."
That's a dangerous argument to make in my opinion. Isn't that like Coke and Pepsi merging (which is probably just a matter of time if things keep going the way they are) and then justifying it by saying that there are other sodas or drinks out there? That argument you gave could work for a number of products and services, and the fact that it worked in the Sirius/XM deal I think is a bit troubling. I've heard stuff about DirecTV and Dish Net merging. They'll use essentially the same argument: that they have to compete with cable, Fios, etc. Where does it stop?
LucRichard
Catalyst
Posted 7:12 AM 17/4/08
@DaiMacculate: Apple has faced numerous anti-trust issues because of the Ipod-Itunes tie-in. For example, the fact that they are hamstrung into not playing WMA.
[www.wired.com]
Catalyst
Catalyst
Posted 8:02 AM 17/4/08
@DaiMacculate: Your rampant fanboyism prevents a rational discussion of this and, more importantly, is completely off-topic.
Just so you know, this has nothing to do with Itunes "running the same way it does now," it has to do with the fact that the dominant MP3 player on the market will not play the file format of the competitors, requiring them to buy from Itunes. Letting WMA work on an Ipod has nothing to do with Itunes.
Catalyst
Vabor
Posted 7:59 AM 17/4/08
Your work is impeccable as usual, Ms. Alexander....I just, well, you know. Welcome to this blog-sphere/comment world! Keep on rockin' it.
Vabor
Strangelove
Posted 7:58 AM 17/4/08
Nice cufflinks in that picture ... but Take-Two should stay independent of EA. Too many big companies in the news/entertainment industries nowadays.
Strangelove
TomHayden
Posted 7:50 AM 17/4/08
@ everyone who is concerned about the future viability of 2k sports:
Aside from Top Spin, what 2k sports game has come out recently that was good? There aren't any. Many of them downright suck (ahem MLB 2k8). They made like two good football games, 2k, 2k1, and then that division started putting out crappy budget titles.
Also, I find it funny how people are willing to give Zelnick the benefit of the doubt by saying that its not his fault that TTWO is hemorrhaging money because he hasn't been there that long, but are unwilling to grant Riccitiello the same consideration (he became ceo in 2007). By all accounts, it seems as though EA's restructuring is changing the culture for the better and resulting in better games.
Finally, for everyone who bashes Pachter's comments that some established developers will like being at EA better than TTWO, I would just like to point out Will Wright as an eample of why this might be true. He has had pretty much unlimited time and resources to develop Spore. It seems logical that Sid Meier and the Rockstar guys will get the same treatment considering the brands they control. I doubt that they will complain about a boss who can give them more development money, as well as better marketing and distribution channels.
TomHayden
DaiMacculate
Posted 7:43 AM 17/4/08
@DaiMacculate: Oh and just for the record I'm anti-DRM, Fairplay, WMA DRM or whatever, but thats the game the labels are forcing companies to play right now, its not the fault of Apple, MS, Real, or anyone else
MS could be a bit less eager to build the DRM in at the OS level in my opinion, but yeah ;)
DaiMacculate
Adam Rock
Posted 8:42 AM 17/4/08
Adam Rock
Snuffbox
Posted 8:42 AM 17/4/08
@TomHayden:
You couldn't be more wrong
First, you call NFL 2K5 a "crappy budget title", which is just an audacious statement for so many reasons.
Also, the NBA 2K and College Hoops 2K series have been outstanding and are leaps and bounds better than EA's crap entries into those series.
I could go on, but I'll stop here.
Snuffbox
Evil Tortie's Mom
Posted 8:35 AM 17/4/08
I... I understood this article.
Leigh is a wizard!!! No ordinary human could have explained all this!
Evil Tortie's Mom
Sith_Librarian
Posted 8:24 AM 17/4/08
"Pachter believes the merger would be in the best interest of both game developers and gamers, resulting in 'more games, less crap.'"
Right.
Sith_Librarian
xBETAx
Posted 8:51 AM 17/4/08
IF EA aquires take two, I think it will be a loss to gamers. Something tells me EA will not be allowing GTA to get away with what it gets away with now. I'm 90% sure that if EA gets a hold of GTA (current versions IE GTA 2 3 4) it will be brutalized, censored and a lot less fun. Basically it will turn into Crackdown, a fun game. But the story just isnt there. Fun for the first few times but nothing you will play forever like any of the current versions of GTA.
xBETAx
DaiMacculate
Posted 8:48 AM 17/4/08
@Snuffbox: The one thing I would say about 2K's games is they do lack the "polish" of many of EA's titles, particularly in areas like menu design.
That said, from a gameplay standpoint there is often no comparison between the two, I'll take an ugly/un-intuitive menu with a kick ass game beneath it over an amazing menu with a crappy game every time...so yeah this sucks if 2K gets dismantled/integrated into the EA collective, just from the standpoint that I doubt it will improve Live 09, Madden 09, etc much :(
DaiMacculate
Adam Rock
Posted 8:45 AM 17/4/08
Nice article. I liked the "500 shares" part the best, I hope he's right.
Adam Rock
DaiMacculate
Posted 8:44 AM 17/4/08
@Catalyst: Since its so off-topic here, see your profile.
DaiMacculate
krln99
Posted 10:37 AM 17/4/08
Great article on the whole thing! This should set the record straight that EA is not low-balling Take-Two, despite the rabid whining of millions of fanbois.
krln99
tiredluke129
Posted 11:29 AM 17/4/08
"Sid Meier, Ken Levine - those guys are gonna love EA, because EA's gonna pump out more copies of their game."
I can't speak for Meier or Levine, but I would rather have an extremely polished and slaved-over game released every 3 years than one rushed game every year.
tiredluke129
jspeed04
Posted 11:24 AM 17/4/08
@TomHayden:
Dude are you serious? NBA 2k is the BEST basketball video game franchise ever! Like another commenter said, leaps and bounds over NBA Live, which has been shit every year since 2000. 2k didn't even get worse when Visual Concepts was acquired by TT from SEGA.
Know what you're talking about before you post man.
jspeed04
psgamer92
Posted 11:42 AM 17/4/08
altough i liked EA for standing up to Fox i still don't want them to buy out T2. but it could be positive. i mean if EA did win and seeing as how they fought agaist Fox they could defend GTA well. on the other if EA did win it would single the end of the 2K series because lets face it yeah they could make money off of both but they would rather have it just be one and there is the threat of Rockstar going to waste. still EA has become more friendly lately and they are churring out good games. did they really mess with BioWare when they bought them? no. still though i would much rather T2's sharholders say no. we shall know very soon.
psgamer92
WDYC
Posted 12:16 PM 17/4/08
I can't be bothered to read all of the comments but anyway here are my two cents.
I read all the article and though I don't know shit about business I can tell what I got from this.
All in all it seems from the business side of this that the best possible path is that EA actually aquires Take Two raising the value of the company.
Of course that is what investors, analyst, business men, etc. care about, they don't care what gamers thinks of this, they just know many people will go uninformed of the take over and will continue to buy games regardless of what happens here.
For more informed people who may not know all that happened but have a gist of it, I think the general opinion is that this should not happen due to EA "tradition" to slowly rot everything they get. We care about our hobby/way of life so we of course want the best of it and from experience this of course is not the best course of action to be taken.
As annoying and sometimes outrageous the "console wars" are they bring us diversity which is good as we don't have to play the same thing over and over. This could be applyed to this situation, we don't need one great company, we need many companies to offer us different things so we don't stagnate.
I sincerely hope that this merge do not happens, not for Take Two but for the diversity of things.
WDYC
stevesan
Posted 2:27 PM 17/4/08
@liquid_kore: Haha.
Take Two? Take Two?? TAAAKKKEEE TWO!!!!???!!!
stevesan
kylo4
Posted 2:45 PM 17/4/08
They probably won't do this but it would be a great idea after acquiring Take 2 if they continued on with both 2K sports and their own brand. This way they'd make double the money.
kylo4
Knoxximus (360/PSN)
Posted 4:07 PM 17/4/08
IF they do it, it'll be to finally be able to do the NFL license some justice. I believe that 2K Football would essentially become Madden. I mean, didn't EA fire some of the Madden team already? That already set off a few alarms for me.
Knoxximus (360/PSN)
cheeses
Posted 5:08 PM 17/4/08
So they'll takeover Take-Two next week and then delay GTA4 until the more lucrative 4th quarter? I knew something like this would happen!
cheeses
Trancer
Posted 1:49 AM 18/4/08
So...in summary, Take Two's Zelnick is looked at as the good guy but he's actually just trying to make more money with GTA 4 before he sells his company. He doesn't get any shares if EA buys Take Two. I don't blame him for trying to squeeze a little more cash out of his company. The longer Take Two holds out, the more ZelnickMedia makes, thanks to GTA 4. EA's trying to seal the deal by coaxing the shareholders to veto the poision pill (which says anyone who purchases stock after April ?st does not have a say in company decisions). EA isn't all that evil, apparently.
Trancer
Communist_Gamer
Posted 1:43 AM 18/4/08
@Adam Rock:
Agreed. I'm worried bout these monopolies more and more...
Communist_Gamer
AaronMD
Posted 9:33 AM 18/4/08
Awesome article. It sounds like EA will win... We'll know soon enough.
AaronMD
SapphireC
Posted 3:57 AM 17/4/08
Although it's easy to be cynical about EA and it's pump 'em out approach to some games (i.e. The Sims, Madden), Take Two could surely use the capital that EA could offer. I think that Take Two puts a little too much faith in the couple of star titles they have, and expect that to carry them.
SapphireC
rockinthestocks
Posted 5:29 AM 17/4/08
Also, just wanted to point out that I'm a TTWO shareholder, and I'll be upset if TTWO gives in at $26. I fully suspect the stock to drop if EA walks away, but anyone with a clue should use that chance to buy as much TTWO as possible.
In reality, I think EA will up its bid to $30 or $32 and get this thing done with.
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rockinthestocks
Posted 5:27 AM 17/4/08
Why does the media continue to ask Pachter for his opinion on TTWO? Check back through his history: this guy has been substantially wrong on TTWO over and over again.
TTWO was a heavily shorted stock with money being run through large investment banks by hedge funds, so a case could be made that most of the analysts (aka Pachter) covering TTWO were actually on the side of shortsellers. Up until recently he had a price target of $12 on TTWO stock even with the imminent release of GTA4.
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