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Americans Brag, PS3 No Letdown, Kotaku is Wrong
Posted by Brian Ashcraft at 12:47 PM on May 12, 2008
No, no, no! When Hideo Kojima said the MGS4 graphics on the PS3 weren't to his "satisfaction" or that he realised there were lots of "restrictions" the PS3 posed, he didn't mean it. He was just trying to be humble, you know! He's not disappointed with the PS3 at all. He is totally happy with it. The PS3 is awesome. Says Kojima:
On the internet, there's stuff saying "Hideo Kojima" isn't satisfied with the PS3. I'd like to talk about that today. I just got back from Paris and did 15 interviews and everyone asked me about it, did I say that. The meaning of what I said has totally been changed, made totally different. Today, I'd like to talk about that. Why did it turn into that? When I'm doing an interview, I answer in Japanese, and I can't control how the writer will interpret that into English... What I say is then translated in English, and the writer then changes that into their own words and writes that. So, right there, the meaning of what I say changes a lot.
Hit the jump for more.
I am Japanese, so I try to be modest. I'm especially modest person. I don't wish to brag about it to say "I am the amazing Metal Gear guy" or to say "This is the best one", just like how Americans brag stuff like this... That's why i interview in Japanese, and Mr. Sai (translator) translates my side of the inteviews very well in English. Westerners do not have a tradition of modesty. And so, the statements are translated correctly, but the original meaning is totally different. And those statements are on a totally different website and the meaning totally changes. Regarding my recent comment about my disappointment with MGS4, the comments derived from the article "MGS4, Inside The Biggest PS3 Game" to the post "Hideo Disappointed with MGS4." It's become totally different. This was in English, and here's where it gets strange. Japanese readers then translated that in Japanese and put it on their websites, writing things like "Oh, the PS3 is dead." Then that spread through the internet and now people are writing things like "Hideo Kojima Is Making MGS4 on the PS3." This is no good... It's funny how others think "Did Hideo really say that?" then ask me, and my answer is obviously "No" but then... I guess I am responsible for all of the articles...
Now I'm going to say what I really wanted to say, and this is what I told those 15 reporters:
Let's say this developer is making hardware, in this case a game, and that hardware is at the level of a car. And when looking at the specs, the developer claims the car is able to fly. Now there is no stopping when you say, "This is a car that can fly." When you claim that it can fly, the speculation grows from "oh so it can FLY?!!!" And the developer would set his goals higher. The specualtion is that if the car flies, then it should reach a MACH speed...but it doesnt stop there...it'd go beyond the specualtion of then "it should go into space!" with all the excitement around, and the developer would go deeply into making the car going into space... however, he'll come up to the public and say the car reaches the MACH speed, but it fails to go into the space. But he shouldn't give up, because for a car to even reach a mach speed and go into air is revolutionary. I wished to trasnfer my thoughts like such, but I guess it didn't work very well.
Recently I've been thinking about not giving interviews. That's not my job. My job is making games... The next time I interview in America, I will just say "MGS4 is the best, the end." It's not cool for a Japanese to speak so blatantly, and I don't want to say that. But if I don't, things like this [above] can happen... If you look at MGS4, I think you'll understand... MGS4 isn't exactly my property, so I don't have a total control over it and sometimes I get confused with it. Some may be disappointed the way I say things, but I do release the game with confidence. In fact that what I have been doing, not just this PS3 game, but my previous PS2 titles. I always reached for the higher goal and I try to go for it... Things like this often happen with Japanese newspapers. Where they take only the choice quotes. They don't change what you say, but the meaning's different, and the meaning changes. I'm always careful while giving interviews. Even in my company, im learning a lot about media training, but I wanted to do more than just that and here i am with the interview, but if things like above keep happening, I won't do anymore interviews. I don't get paid for these interviews at all. [jokingly] I won't do them anymore! I've decided! I'll stop doing my podcast! Like that.
It's not like we were looking at some shit Babelfish translation of a Famitsu interview. It was from EDGE magazine, and you can read the original quotes and see the original magazine page here. Also, keep in mind, EDGE's comment that Kojima was "being modest" OR Fahey's original comments:
Personally I think the man is being a bit hard on himself, but that's what great minds do.
So there was certainly progress made, but not enough progress...or more specifically, not enough power for progress. Apparently the team overestimated what the PlayStation 3 was capable of.
Now Kojima is a well-known perfectionist, but it is a bit disturbing to see him voice his dissatisfaction with what is supposed to be the masterpiece of the franchise.
If you stick your foot in it and screw up, it's always easier to shift the blame, pull the You-Don't-Understand-Us-Japanese card or gloss over important details like, you know, reading. This wasn't a cultural misunderstanding or blowing things out of proportion, this was a PR disaster. Granted, maybe Kojima, after all these years, really isn't that savvy about dealing with the Western press. Maybe, he expects people to understand that he only uses double talk and metaphors — because those are much easier for everyone to grasp. When in Rome, don't do as the Romans do!
This really begs the question: We understand why Kojima might be humble about his own game (fair enough!), but why be "humble" or make excuses for the PLAYSTATION 3? Last we checked, Kojima doesn't work for Sony.
Kojima Addresses The Issue [Konami via PlayStation Boards Thanks, Re-I!]

Comments (AU Comments · US Comments)
uhh
Posted May 12, 2008 2:06 PM
you must not understand the concept of mistranslation..Kojima is not an English speaker, someone translated, unless you can read his Japanese responses to their questions, have some ice cold STFU.
AJ
Posted May 12, 2008 2:49 PM
So... there are flying cars in MGS4? Or the next Playstation will BE a flying car, what the fuck is this man talking about, and to expand on that what the fuck is he ever talking about? I don't think its a cultural problem at all, I've seen plenty of interviews on Japanese movies and Anime DVD's with creators who are only to happy to sing the praises of their product. The problem is, and often in the past has been, Kojima himself; the man might design good games but he is a PR nightmare. Sony execs must chew boot leather and drink heavily every time he does an interview.
I remember a few years ago where he was talking about the fact Metal Gear Solid 2 had the '2' in the title slightly above the text, so it was really Metal Gear Solid Squared and MGS3 would be Metal Gear Solid Cubed. Thats not clever double talk, thats moronic rambling, what dimension is MGS4 supposed to be? The man shouldn't be allowed near a dictaphone.
And why the hell is he at an Xbox 360 launch? Did anyone else notice that.
For the record I love the Metal Gear series and will be getting MGS4. Fingers crossed the cut scenes are skipable this time.
Lee
Posted May 12, 2008 4:24 PM
Wow... a blatant, Kotaku trying to suck ass.
because kotaku is never wrong
you pretty much just proved kojima right.
good on him
MGS4 will be awesome, and he knows it.
I like that he says things are shit.
Unlike americans who just fucking lie and bullshit all day
AJ Mitchell
Posted May 12, 2008 8:20 PM
@ Lee
Just because you say bigoted things against American's, doesn't mean you're not a bigot.
I've known plenty of American's who don't 'lie and bullshit all day', and plenty of Australian's who do. Doesn't mean their nationality has anything to do with it.
Keep your one nation in your pants hey?
FrankZ
Posted May 12, 2008 10:59 PM
"or make excuses for the PLAYSTATION 3?"
Hang on... are you saying that there needs to be excuses made for the PS3? I don't think so. Its incredibly powerful and has delivered on its promises. Your comments reveal your biased opinion which is unnecessary.
What I read from Kojima's comments above is that he aims for the sun and hits the moon. This isn't uncommon. You start off with ideas for your game which would be exactly how you dream the greatest game in the world should be. Obviously not everything you imagine would be feasible, for example thousands of 3 million polygon models running around, billions of acres of playing area, 10 thousand person multiplayer matches, 5000 hours of gameplay, etc. When you start to work out the details and discover that certain things cannot be done, you whittle them down until you get a practical game and live with the slight disappointment of having to accept reality. Its how the best games are made.
johnson
Posted May 12, 2008 11:12 PM
Just take a look at the game graphics for yourselves! they suck! drakes fortune is the best to date on the ps3!! gears of war 1 looks better then this lame ass game!
Kizaru
Posted May 13, 2008 5:04 AM
Look, it's simple; MGS4 is the car. the TGS 05 trailer for the game (and all that followed) was the "car" "flying", because it set an expectation for fans, and for the devs to reach that level of excellence.
Kojima is saying when he can make the car "fly", the next step is to take it into space, however this part is not told to the media so as to impress them further, not only by meeting their expectations but to go further beyond. Problem is, they haven't been able to because of the PS3's limitations/restrictions etc., and because he has always taken previous games "out into space", it is why he expresses disappointment for MGS4.
To summarise what has been said above,
AJ, STFU.
AJ
Posted May 13, 2008 4:30 PM
@ Kizaru
So that means I'm... petrol? :-P
And now that I re-read your post you even make it sound like a negative reflection on the PS3.
Look I think the PS3 is a beast of a games machine from what I've played, and I'll be getting one just to play MGS4.
But Kojima san is nuttier than squirrel shit. If I was a Sony PR man assigned to Konami I would be prematurely bald with some of the stuff he comes out with.
Snukadaman_
Posted 1:36 PM 12/5/08
@Mpalm.: its my opinion mr sdf...chill the fuck out.
Snukadaman_
Archaotic
Posted 1:34 PM 12/5/08
@daknight:
I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic there. He's making fun of how every preview of every Western game these days talks about how it's the best thing ever, and he's saying that apparently Western audiences will only listen to him if he does shit like that.
Archaotic
Snukadaman_
Posted 1:34 PM 12/5/08
@John-irl: well a man can dream then huh..lol
Snukadaman_
Saint Anima
Posted 1:34 PM 12/5/08
@Bergerac: Nice post man.
As for myself, I don't wanna get involved heavily in this piece (I rarely get involved heavily in anything around here, just leave my 2 cents when needed). I'd like to agree with Kojima, but I know some people are gonna disagree.
I'd hate to think how other sites are gonna look at this now. Oh man.
Saint Anima
Mpalm.
Posted 1:34 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped: I like what you did there, taking a cultural aspect and totally denying it like that... awesome.
Mpalm.
Snukadaman_
Posted 1:33 PM 12/5/08
@slomo788: its like bringing up rrod in 360 stories...like you do..bring up something thats not hardly on topic but hits in the vicinity...if it was anyone else complaining i would give a shit..but its you so....
Snukadaman_
daknight
Posted 1:33 PM 12/5/08
He is modest? So that is why he plans to close every single interview now with: "MGS4 is the best, the end."
Yeah that sure sound like being modest alright. This felt even worse than his original comment about the PS3, he should know is best to insult a piece of hardware than the entire American society?
daknight
fenderfuel08
Posted 1:32 PM 12/5/08
It's too bad he had to make it a United States vs. Japan thing where Japan prevails with the better culture.
The thing is though if you try to be modest by implying that your finished work is not your best then regardless of culture you're going to look like you're unsatisfied. It's cool to be modest when people agree with you, but when everyone knows that MGS4 is going to be the greatest software the PS3 has ever seen, you make yourself look bad by being modest. Either people assume you're fibbing and really know that its awesome or they believe your words as fact and interpret that as you arent satisfied.
There really isn't an inbetween...MGS4 will be awesome and we all know it.
fenderfuel08
RTW
Posted 1:32 PM 12/5/08
@TwoSetBonus: EXACTLY! Thank you. That's what this whole game industry shit has turned into. Fucking American game developers getting spotlight for their upcoming games/sequels to games. It's like a game is based all about press these days. If you don't have a good dev speaker, than your game is fucked, no matter how good it is. I browse around gametrailers every once in a while to check out footage of games, and then occasionally I've seen this dev talking shit where the person boasts and boasts about their upcoming game. It's like it's turned into American Idol of Gaming.
RTW
MonkeyBiz
Posted 1:31 PM 12/5/08
He's like Tom Cruise, I don't care if he's a crazy nut bag, as long as he does good work!
MonkeyBiz
syl1985
Posted 1:31 PM 12/5/08
@Bergerac: "As far as I'm concerned, MGS4 has a very dangerous chance of being unfairly critiqued and flat-out under appreciated by western media, and its purely of the western gamer's own creation. Unless these people that ascertain that the PS3 is an under performer and must be 'apologised for' wake up."
I don't think that this is an issue what so ever, the image of the under-performing PS3 is evaporating day by day and is only pulled out to spark more traffic from bickering fanyboys, this game will be taken on it's merits upon release and I personally can't wait to see what they deliver.
As for the original Kojima comments, I took them as he couldn't realise his full vision (just like R* would love to make every building available for free-roaming in GTA IV but of course, that would be impossible.) he's a master game designer and just set the bar too high for any reasonable hardware to accomplish.
syl1985
ManjiKengo
Posted 1:30 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped: didn't some other sony guy talk about flying cars and bacon for breakfast too?
ManjiKengo
ohhello
Posted 1:30 PM 12/5/08
@ohhello: Hey guys, let's totally blow this out of proportion too.
ohhello
Heyyou27
Posted 1:30 PM 12/5/08
After watching Cliff talk about how "badass" Gears 2 is supposed to be I know Kojima is right.
Heyyou27
ManjiKengo
Posted 1:30 PM 12/5/08
@TwoSetBonus: Pardon me but uh....Isn't he producer too? Kinda is his job to hype his game if he is.
ManjiKengo
SG79
Posted 1:29 PM 12/5/08
@TwoSetBonus:
That summed things up nicely.
SG79
DimensionWarped
Posted 1:29 PM 12/5/08
So does anyone else find it incredibly humorous to be talking about the PS3 as though it were as revolutionary as a flying automobile that goes faster than the speed of sound with pluasible space flight capabilities while at the same time hammering on about his virtues of modesty?
You know, I think this whole nationalistic concept of modesty is a farce. It isn't modesty at all, it's false modesty. Nothing more than a guise of politeness. A front to make people like you more. Yeah, you don't openly brag about being at the top of your class, but you are congratulating yourself introvertly while pretending to shrug it off.
And thats bullshit.
DimensionWarped
ohhello
Posted 1:29 PM 12/5/08
I just noticed that picture of kojima have him standing in front of the xbox wallpaper.
ohhello
Fury-genesis
Posted 1:28 PM 12/5/08
But.. that "the car can fly but not go into space" analogy was pretty much what I took away from the original interview.
I'm pretty sure most people realised he didn't say the PS3 is crap, but that it wasn't as powerful as he imagined it would be.
Fury-genesis
John-irl
Posted 1:27 PM 12/5/08
@Snukadaman_: By changing the read speed or adding more ram you would effectively be changing the build of the machines architecture(especially the ram part), and would need to rewrite large chunks of code to work on the lower spec machine.
John-irl
TwoSetBonus
Posted 1:25 PM 12/5/08
Westerners don't typically display modesty. That's why Kotaku has headlines of PR spin on why Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo/EA/whoever is the best/not competing against anyone/is the future/is fearless/sees no equal. Even this article's headline is sensational and can be taken out of context. I don't see him saying "I'm a modest person" as meaning "Haha jackasses, I'm really not cuz I say I am." He's saying he's not trying to draw attention to his game by declaring it the best, but instead by saying, "We're trying to reach these heights and hope you reach them with us. We have high hopes for our project that unfortunately may not be met." PR speak is so hyperbolic. You can't declare "maybe Kojima's out of touch with Western press after all these years". When the fuck was he ever? I don't recall it was his job to hype his game. It's to make it.
TwoSetBonus
ohhello
Posted 1:25 PM 12/5/08
Americans are INCAPABLE of modesty? That's impossible, we're the best. We can do everything.
ohhello
Ryanraven
Posted 1:25 PM 12/5/08
My mind is broken after reading that
Ryanraven
syl1985
Posted 1:25 PM 12/5/08
@Asurastrike: Who the hell thinks Kotaku is MS biased?!
They give all the consoles hell, it just so happens the PS3 has been the most lambasted in ALL game press, not just Kotaku.
The commentary includes defense for the first article saying that Mr. Fahey believed it was just the man being humble.
syl1985
Archaotic
Posted 1:25 PM 12/5/08
@Bergerac:
Good post, man...that's pretty much what I wanted to say, I just couldn't form the words due to exhaustion.
Archaotic
Mpalm.
Posted 1:24 PM 12/5/08
@Snukadaman_: Thank you for being totally irrelevant, i'm glad you felt you needed to share that information. I was getting worried that you might actually purchase a ps3. I can finally sleep at night.
Mpalm.
RTW
Posted 1:24 PM 12/5/08
@Asurastrike: I'll agree that the commentary on it was unnecessary.
As for the MS biased thing? I dunno about that.
RTW
ManjiKengo
Posted 1:24 PM 12/5/08
@Asurastrike:
The whole thing from Kojima was unnecessary but he said it anyway in the most long winded and "japanese" way of saying it. If he doesn't want shit lost in translation perhaps he should speak in english to english speaking interviewers rather than speaking like a japanese modest guy to english speaking interviewers.
Personally, I don't "GET" japanese modesty. Never have, never will.
ManjiKengo
ShinobiFist(PSN-XBL)
Posted 1:23 PM 12/5/08
Is not are fault we don't understand "Crazy" I knew what he meant in the beginning, but now Kojima sounds like he has no idea what he is saying. If it only makes sense to you, you know there's a problem, Kojima. Think before you speak homie.
ShinobiFist(PSN-XBL)
Bergerac
Posted 1:22 PM 12/5/08
'This wasn't a cultural misunderstanding or blowing things out of proportion, this was a PR disaster.'
I trust that the hyperbole there is a joke... ?
I think the man is dead on about misinterpretation from western audiences due to his modesty. Thanks to this latest interview, Kojima is suddenly viewed as an anti-American flip-flopper who is making excuses for the PS3, because 'we all know with certainty that it must be broken', thanks to this generation's rampant anti-Sony mentality. No hyperbole.
As far as I'm concerned, MGS4 has a very dangerous chance of being unfairly critiqued and flat-out under appreciated by western media, and its purely of the western gamer's own creation. Unless these people that ascertain that the PS3 is an under performer and must be 'apologised for' wake up.
We all know about the translation loss occurring between eastern and western media on a daily basis. We're all well aware of Japanese culture and the modesty of their craftsmanship. We never deny the existence of such factors.
Why then, is it, that in this one particular instance, Kojima is just plain flat out 'lying' because something is 'very obviously wrong' with the PS3? Like I implied, its purely because this is the Wii60 generation, and the resulting brainwashing is still stinking up the internet to this day.
Bergerac
slomo788
Posted 1:22 PM 12/5/08
@Asurastrike: Well the commentary was harsh, but I wouldn't stick a MS sticker on Kotaku just for that.
slomo788
Antiterra
Posted 1:22 PM 12/5/08
I have no idea what either Kojima or Ashcraft are trying to say, and right now, those last 2 paragraphs seem to me like some of the weirdest and muddiest I've read on Kotaku.
I guess it's time I went to sleep. 5:20 AM. Yeah, it's definitely time.
Antiterra
slomo788
Posted 1:21 PM 12/5/08
Lol I read the article hoping for him to really mention Kotaku. I would've felt so proud...
slomo788
Asurastrike
Posted 1:21 PM 12/5/08
This article is just feeding the oppinion that Kotaku is MS biased. The commentary by the author was really unnecessary.
Asurastrike
ManjiKengo
Posted 1:20 PM 12/5/08
Also, wow...
Being blunt sucks sometimes for those you're talking to, but it's the best fucking way to get across what you fucking mean despite whoevers feelings get hurt.
ManjiKengo
V1L3
Posted 1:20 PM 12/5/08
"If you stick your foot in it and screw up, it's always easier to shift the blame."
Apparently so.
V1L3
NeoSnake4/ねおっなけ4
Posted 1:19 PM 12/5/08
Actually my bad. It wasn't in MGSaga he said that. It was the G4TV "Icons" interview he did before the release of "Snake Eater".
NeoSnake4/ねおっなけ4
slomo788
Posted 1:19 PM 12/5/08
@Snukadaman_: Do you understand anything from the article?
slomo788
syl1985
Posted 1:19 PM 12/5/08
@rrghy: I think Japan is there for the PS3 to lose, all they need to do is get a couple of the solid titles out and the PS3 will fly. Walking around Akihabara there is still plenty of Sony promo everywhere and the PS3 is advertised heaps but the sales are very disappointing at the moment.
All of the promo points at one release though: MGS4, so anything surrounding it was going to be highly scrutinised.
I personally can't wait to get another PS3, I just want to wait for a decent bundle down here in the land of Aus, or I may just go get one in Japan when I am there next (couldn't fit it in the luggage this time, too many Totoro plushies from Studio Ghibli!!!)
syl1985
thaKingRocka
Posted 1:19 PM 12/5/08
kojima has diarrhea mouth. not only does he write dialogue akin to mojo jojo's ramblings, but he speaks it. i certainly don't mind if he stops giving interviews. just give me the games.
thaKingRocka
Risky
Posted 1:18 PM 12/5/08
So PS3's can fly now?
Risky
NeoSnake4/ねおっなけ4
Posted 1:18 PM 12/5/08
Basically, he's saying that the Japanese when they say something sometimes to a 2nd party [another person] would misinterpret the wrong thing. He did say in MGSaga vol.1 DVD that the Japanese have a hard way of expressing things. So you can't really blame or get mad at the guy. If you were then you're definitely a douchebag. However, if you weren't then alls fine and dandy. Keep up the good work Kojima-san!
NeoSnake4/ねおっなけ4
Snukadaman_
Posted 1:18 PM 12/5/08
@John-irl: why would the original ps3 be obsolete...you would still be able to play future ps3 games.
Snukadaman_
Archaotic
Posted 1:17 PM 12/5/08
Well, some of this comes off as traditional damage control type stuff, but Kojima does make a good point.
The American games media is very, very sensationalist. Every interview, every PR message, everything has to point out how the title in question is totally awesome and the best thing ever...even if it sucks. Humility is a virtue over there, but over here it's a liability.
Archaotic
Daiden
Posted 1:17 PM 12/5/08
@mva5580: Uh, yeah sure. You just find it interesting because you think it sounds smart? Nothing about that article was anything more then PR damage control. Sony probably came down hard on the guy and he's trying to back pedal to save his own ass.
Daiden
Aethyr
Posted 1:16 PM 12/5/08
I love how the "situation" could have been resolved in exactly one sentence from Kojima. It certainly didn't warrant such a horrible metaphor or long-winded explanation.
Aethyr
ManjiKengo
Posted 1:16 PM 12/5/08
Oh goodness. I can feel the pressure emanating from the text.
ManjiKengo
NeoAkira
Posted 1:16 PM 12/5/08
I think I understood his analogy, although it was a little confusing.
Basically I think he means that him and his team looked at the PS3 specs and realized they could do certain things with the system that they weren't able to before (ie reach mach speed). Now that they were able to do those things they were curious to see if they could do more things beyond what the specs said it could do (ie go to space), but were disappointed to find out that although they could reach mach speed they couldn't quite get to space.
Basically he's made great strides with the game on the PS3, but they had assumed they could have done a little more. Oh well, MGS4 will still be one of the best games this year.
NeoAkira
BlackDove
Posted 1:15 PM 12/5/08
I got his meaning the first time around, and I understood everyone got onto the sensationalist machine and just couldn't wait to say "KOJIMA THINKS MGS4 BLOWS".
Translating Japanse isn't like translating other languages. It's not a literal language and it can be interperted in many different ways (for more on that, watch an anime episode from four different fan translators - not only is the OP going to have a different translation on all 4, the entire episode will have a different meaning to most sentences).
However nobody gave a shit. Kojima said "fail" and "MGS4" and "graphics" in the same sentence and everyone jumped on the sensationalist train.
BlackDove
rrghy
Posted 1:14 PM 12/5/08
@syl1985: Yea I kinda get what u mean. I guess he could do better to phrase himself well, especially after that last fiasco.
I guess in Japan there's a certain amount of uncertainty amongst the gamers as to how well the PS3 will turn out too, if his comments could shake them that way.
rrghy
John-irl
Posted 1:14 PM 12/5/08
@Snukadaman_: And make any original ps3 obsolete? Not gonna happen, they may be prepared to drop stuff like PS2 b/c, but I cant see them splitting the market like that.
John-irl
karasu is my homeboy
Posted 1:14 PM 12/5/08
"I'm not disappointed in the PS3. It's just like, if a car dealer tells you a car can fly, and you buy it, and it doesn't. That's how I felt."
...ok then?
karasu is my homeboy
Truepatriot
Posted 1:14 PM 12/5/08
americans not modest?i bet im more modest than his bragging ass.
Truepatriot
syl1985
Posted 1:14 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped: Ahhh perfectly put! Hahahaha
syl1985
johnnylineup
Posted 1:13 PM 12/5/08
:checks time:
ok, its not monday yet, I'm with kojima on this one. I think kotaku is looking a little too far into this one
johnnylineup
Jelster
Posted 1:13 PM 12/5/08
I don't know. Seems he's more pissed at the emphasis placed on what he said and how it skewed what he meant.
I kinda read the first and now this post thinking he wanted to do so much more with the game but hit hardware roadblocks. But people just wanted to make that out like he was calling the PS3 a piece of shit.
Jelster
mcool93
Posted 1:13 PM 12/5/08
He's got to understand that it wasn't him or other third party publishers that estimated the PS3 can go to Mach Speed when the PS3 car has been announced to be able to fly. It was more Sony overhyping the PS3 with Killzone and Motorstorm "in game" videos at E3 2005.
mcool93
DimensionWarped
Posted 1:13 PM 12/5/08
One thing he certainly isn't at all modest about is his nationalistic perception of his own extreme modestness.
IRONY!
DimensionWarped
Xiedo
Posted 1:12 PM 12/5/08
@mva5580: Kojima also spoke to how Japanese gamers and newpapers are equally sensational. He basically blamed his translator, American culture, Japanese culture, the media, human nature, and his own ineptitude as an interviewee. Everything but the PS3. God no, not the PS3.
I suspect Sony lit a fire under his ass and he went running. Which affects my respect for him alright.
Xiedo
Rocketdragon
Posted 1:12 PM 12/5/08
Westerners really do brag a lot, in comparison with Asian countries. It's true, if you just come out with a big self compliment, it's not "cool". People just don't do that.
Then again, nobody actually ever accepts compliments from other people, either. When you get one, you're supposed to instantly deny it. Or it's not polite.
Rocketdragon
John-irl
Posted 1:12 PM 12/5/08
@Sedarati: Yeah seriously dude, grow up.
John-irl
henri1kk
Posted 1:11 PM 12/5/08
someone got pressured by sony... i wonder who...
henri1kk
syl1985
Posted 1:11 PM 12/5/08
@rrghy: I understand this, in fact I just got back from Japan - but the rant he just wrote up above is still just that, a rant. He is having a big sook because obviosuly Sony and his company weren't happy with the storm the previous comments created (misinterpreted or not) and now he wants to sook some more by not doing interviews because he isn't paid for them anyway.
Well that's entirely his choice, and quite a let down for people interested in game design, but I think this post is a bit rash and he will come to regret these words just as much as the previous.
syl1985
Snukadaman_
Posted 1:11 PM 12/5/08
In my eyes the ps3 is a big disappointment...besides uncharted, and resistance I still have no reason to purchase it...ill gladly wait for ps4 or even ps31.5 with a faster blu-ray drive and more ram.
Snukadaman_
John-irl
Posted 1:11 PM 12/5/08
@mva5580: Totally agree.
@Witless: Not a translators place to decide what someone may be implying.
John-irl
Raziel Dune
Posted 1:10 PM 12/5/08
@rrghy: You sir are to smart to be on the internets! What are you doing here?! lol jk
@Sedarati: lol wat did we really need this?
Anyways this all comes out as blah blah blah MSG4 IS COMING SOON blah blah blah to me.
Raziel Dune
UmeShoryu
Posted 1:10 PM 12/5/08
Nice picture of Kojima standing in front of the 360 and Microsoft logos.
UmeShoryu
eternalplayer2345
Posted 1:09 PM 12/5/08
i did read in my book about japanese language that whenever you are payed a complament you are too deny it whole heartly
eternalplayer2345
Wreckoner
Posted 1:07 PM 12/5/08
@Ravey: I enjoyed this.
Wreckoner
rrghy
Posted 1:07 PM 12/5/08
Just wanted to share an Asian perspective on this current topic, though of course I may be generalizing.
In Asia, humility is prized quite highly as a virtue. Thus, it's very uncommon to find traditional Asian folk who will blatantly extoll their own virtues, or indulge in boasting.
Thus, for example, if relatives were to ask me how I did for a test, it's much much more common for me to say (I'm Asian) that I did ok, it was alright, instead of bluntly saying I topped the class (or whatever). It's not about the lying, it's about being humble I guess, knowing that there are always people better than you.
Which was why when I first read the Kojima piece of how MGS4 didn't live up to his expectations, I understood it as him saying yea he was happy enough to have let it ship (given his track record as a perfectionist) but that he genuinely feels that it could have been done better, etc.
rrghy
Mpalm.
Posted 1:06 PM 12/5/08
@Sedarati: Wow, really brilliant post there. You're a true winner.
I was a bit skeptical about the whole thing to be honest. I mean, you just know this man loves his games and puts all he has into them... i highly doubt he'd come out afterwards and just say... "meh."
Mpalm.
mcrproductions
Posted 1:05 PM 12/5/08
@eqhara: Awesome
mcrproductions
suya123
Posted 1:05 PM 12/5/08
The MGS4 podcast actually never updated for a month now. It's supposed to update weekly and has been doing so for quite sometime.
"I've decided! I'll stop doing my podcast! Like that."
I guess he meant it.
suya123
Nirolak
Posted 1:05 PM 12/5/08
I love Hideo Kojima's analogies. They're always truly incredible. But yeah I think I understand what he was getting at but the part that confused me the most was this:
"Japanese readers then translated that in Japanese and put it on their websites, writing things like "Oh, the PS3 is dead." Then that spread through the internet and now people are writing things like "Hideo Kojima Is Making MGS4 on the PS3." This is no good..."
But isn't he making MGS4 for the PS3? I think someone mistranslated him again.
@kotordeusexfan: They actually have those.
[en.wikipedia.org]
Nirolak
syl1985
Posted 1:04 PM 12/5/08
Wow, what a bash on Westerners piece...
syl1985
Thassodar
Posted 1:04 PM 12/5/08
@Sedarati: Idiot.
The car can reach Mach speeds....but can it run Crysis?
Thassodar
CheckersMcGavern
Posted 1:04 PM 12/5/08
I'm kind of offended that he said we Americans brag stuff like this. It's not bragging if it's true. Duh.
HA! I'm joking.
Not really.
Okay........ I am.
CheckersMcGavern
mcrproductions
Posted 1:03 PM 12/5/08
I read all of that...but I am still not sure what's going on.
mcrproductions
eqhara
Posted 1:03 PM 12/5/08
KOJIMA IS MAKING A FLYING CAR YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST!
eqhara
Klopfer123
Posted 1:03 PM 12/5/08
@Neo_Deus: That's exactly what went through my mind. Saying 'I'm incredibly modest' instantly implies the opposite is true.
Klopfer123
ShirtGuyDom
Posted 1:02 PM 12/5/08
@Calzonage: SCOOP!
ShirtGuyDom
Calzonage
Posted 1:02 PM 12/5/08
ZOMG next MGS game is taking place is space at mach speed?
Calzonage
Godzilla-Sushi
Posted 1:01 PM 12/5/08
Wow the guy just insulted the whole country somewhat....
....but does anyone really care what he thinks?
Hehe...
Godzilla-Sushi
Witless
Posted 1:01 PM 12/5/08
tl;dr.
Seriously though, I'm pretty sure the translator is smart enough when someone is trying to imply something.
He probably got a huge burner from whoever he is working for.
Witless
Ravey
Posted 1:01 PM 12/5/08
I feel asleep.
Ravey
JimElNino
Posted 1:00 PM 12/5/08
@B1S1:
Yeah I gotta be honest, I totally forgot about his original comments on the matter.
I'm too busy anticipating MGS4 to care :-D
JimElNino
mva5580
Posted 1:00 PM 12/5/08
If he's being totally honest, I just gained a lot of respect for him. Because he's 100% correct about how people in the US act in terms of modesty, taking things out of context, etc.
Either way, very interesting read. Probably a bit too interesting for most internet people because they'll just want to form their own conclusions anyway, as the first few posts clearly indicated.
mva5580
Sedarati
Posted 1:00 PM 12/5/08
lmao pwned kojima sucks bawls
Sedarati
kotordeusexfan
Posted 1:00 PM 12/5/08
well i will say if he isin't satisfied with blu ray we should hurry up and get tera bite discs a reality ( try to say thats not enough room) lol
kotordeusexfan
ShirtGuyDom
Posted 12:59 PM 12/5/08
"We understand why Kojima might be humble about his own game (fair enough!), but why be "humble" or make excuses for the PLAYSTATION 3?"
Because the PS3 got a lot of flak from something he said, which is something he thought was misinterpreted.
ShirtGuyDom
MoeB
Posted 12:59 PM 12/5/08
@Sparx: You should play his games.
MoeB
Rabidsquirrel
Posted 12:59 PM 12/5/08
@Sparx: reference Jetsons... helps I swear.
Rabidsquirrel
dannyboii
Posted 12:59 PM 12/5/08
americans have no modesty? psh, bullshit!
i kid.
dannyboii
B1S1
Posted 12:58 PM 12/5/08
Do we really need this? Does it really matter what he said, or what your thought he said. Hes a great game maker and hes often misunderstood. Whatever...
Hes coming out with a game very soon thats gonna be totally awesome...lets talk about that...
B1S1
JoBo
Posted 12:58 PM 12/5/08
Good to know...I think
JoBo
Savior
Posted 12:58 PM 12/5/08
did he call us liars? damn he's good..
Savior
Neo_Deus
Posted 12:57 PM 12/5/08
I tend to find that people who claim they are an "especially modest person" are anything but.
Neo_Deus
Heat_Man
Posted 12:57 PM 12/5/08
How do we know what he's saying NOW is translated right?
Heat_Man
sooiee115
Posted 12:56 PM 12/5/08
Did he actually answer in English?
Because the English is very awkward...
sooiee115
Sparx
Posted 12:56 PM 12/5/08
Ok...I knew what he meant the first time but after reading that I just feel lost. I kinda stopped at the "car can fly" analogy because it made my head hurt
Sparx
Boolean
Posted 12:55 PM 12/5/08
Damage control?
Boolean
Raziel Dune
Posted 12:54 PM 12/5/08
he told you internets.
Raziel Dune
Double J
Posted 12:54 PM 12/5/08
Thems fightin' words.
Double J
scottyman218
Posted 12:51 PM 12/5/08
Blaming the translator...so 90's
scottyman218
MechaTek
Posted 1:57 PM 12/5/08
It's just a cultural clash. From what I've learned japanese culture and language in general is very polite, alot of asian languages and cultures have a "honor" or "respect" sense in the way they talk. Certain ways you say somethings, with certain tones in their vowels, can be very different in the way it is presented to another person, be it the way you say father or thank you.
It's a very emotional language and even though English language may be universal, it is bland with the tones in the words and just straightforward with no emotion..IMO; the emotions that certain races' dialect convey are very intrigueing and I think american journalists (especially games) should study more international language.
MechaTek
Americo
Posted 1:56 PM 12/5/08
Japanese? Modest? Someone hasn't been paying attention to the H-scene. >_<
Americo
RTW
Posted 1:55 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped:
I hate to break it to ya, but their has been no "Western perception" for the past 4000 years. Especially when their wasn't any documented writing of the west 4000 years ago, let alone a central culture. I lol at your post hard though.
RTW
Mpalm.
Posted 1:55 PM 12/5/08
@ShirtGuyDom: Haha thank you for helping to point out thatto snukadaman.
Sorry ash, i'm done conversing with that fellow, just makes me laugh when people bash the ps3 and then cry SDF the second someone calls them out.
Mpalm.
daknight
Posted 1:54 PM 12/5/08
@karasu is my homeboy: You hit the nail!! Thanks for proving my example about speaking more with less xP
daknight
DimensionWarped
Posted 1:53 PM 12/5/08
@Mpalm.:
No, you see, I'm against all generalizations, be they positive or negative.
DimensionWarped
karateka
Posted 1:53 PM 12/5/08
I didn't think Kojima said it in those words...and I beleive the guy was trying to be modest and taken out of context by the media...I really do, because I'm asian and I do that a lot too. You guys got a story from another source can't guarranty what the man said originally. Now appologize to Kojima.
karateka
Skythe
Posted 1:53 PM 12/5/08
No, he did mean what he said. And yes the Japanese are extremely modest with what they say. For example, someone says theyr'e good at something. The person replying would say "Ah, no, no, no! I'm not that good..." etc.
This reminds me of some Japanese kid at my school who got in trouble because he wouldn't look up at some teacher's eyes when they were talking because it's rude to do in Japan.
So yeah.
There really are cultural barriers, and being obnoxious or denying everything thrown at you will make you horribly ignorant. =X I'm Asian after all, so I know how Kojima feels. lol he sounds sorta pissed.
Skythe
John-irl
Posted 1:52 PM 12/5/08
@ManjiKengo: Seriously? Speak English to English speaking press? If anyone in modern society needs to do that to, and cannot use their native tongue, then something is seriously wrong with the world.
John-irl
karasu is my homeboy
Posted 1:52 PM 12/5/08
@daknight: It is said, you say more and reach a point with fewer words cause the more you speak the more misunderstanding you'll make and the less people understand or even remember the original meaning.
The irony? This can be summed up as
"Speak less words to be clear and make an impact."
:D
karasu is my homeboy
Grimmjow Jeagerjaques
Posted 1:52 PM 12/5/08
come on, give the guy a break. it's a huge game, bad press, and some killer pressure.
Grimmjow Jeagerjaques
Snukadaman_
Posted 1:52 PM 12/5/08
@Brian Ashcraft: this is the second time you did this shit... enjoy yourselves..
Snukadaman_
Arsenal
Posted 1:51 PM 12/5/08
Sorry Kojima. I don't entirely buy your explanation. The translation were direct statements with little room for misinterpretation, unlike this convoluted metaphorical response to your earlier statements. Don't bring up differences in culture either. It's neither "humble" nor "noble" to attack Americans as a whole for what you claim is a misinterpretation by a journalist. Good luck with your "voluntary" exile from interviews. That said, I really am a fan of your work.
Arsenal
ShirtGuyDom
Posted 1:51 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped: [/SARCASM]
Jesus.
ShirtGuyDom
Mpalm.
Posted 1:50 PM 12/5/08
@Snukadaman_: Actually i have pointed out that all fanboys, be it sony, xbox or wii, are morons. But hey, you keep being wrong, you're very good at it. Maybe stop calling out people for being fanboys when you yourself are a huge ignorant one.
Mpalm.
karasu is my homeboy
Posted 1:49 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped:
All I know for sure is that its plain retarded to harp on about how amazingly modest Japanese people are after the way Sony began this console generation hocking the PS3 as something more powerful than the equivalent of a super computer from space, something that could sell to all the masses in spite of an asking price of 600 dollars.
Lmfao. Well I know that for the most part, Japanese culture is to be more discreet, more polite, and more modest.
Sony is another story. They got blind with power since PS2 was such a success.
It is true, to a point, what's being said here. Compare Peter's "Fable is going to be x,y,z and MOAR!!" to Kojima's, 'Well, while MGS4 came along nicely, I wish we could have done more."
Which is worse?
But the way he says things here comes off a bit ignorant, overly complex and confusing to me. He shouldn't give up interviews, he just needs to be clearer, and simpler.
karasu is my homeboy
daknight
Posted 1:49 PM 12/5/08
@Antiterra: You didn't read my second post that I did understand his post. Yet I was making a point, that the way he seem to has express himself away is leading to even more misunderstanding in the translation.
It is said, you say more and reach a point with fewer words cause the more you speak the more misunderstanding you'll make and the less people understand or even remember the original meaning.
He could have explain what he meant with fewer words and it be great, yet by trying explain it in more detail, he made it sound worse. He makes great games, but from the interviews and reading of his comment, he can't express his views or ideas in a way that it creates less confusion.
If you make a statement that needs another statement, that will most likely need ANOTHER statement to correct it...you probaly try to say a short and simply idea with to much words.
daknight
ShirtGuyDom
Posted 1:49 PM 12/5/08
@ShirtGuyDom: Sorry about replying to an irrelevant topic, but I lol'd, so I figured I'd share it.
ShirtGuyDom
Fury-genesis
Posted 1:49 PM 12/5/08
Allright, so lets jump to more neat conclusions.
Kojima doesn't hate the PS3, but he sure hates Americans! And Kotaku!
Fury-genesis
KRUZ8ER
Posted 1:49 PM 12/5/08
I have an ! over my head, as I type.
KRUZ8ER
DimensionWarped
Posted 1:48 PM 12/5/08
@ShirtGuyDom:
The argument of uniqueness of culture is bullshit. It isn't as though Japan has a unique perspective on the concept of modesty.
You think modesty isn't part of our culture either? I hate to break it to you, but modesty has been deeply ingrained as a positive trait in Western perception for over the last 4000 years. It's old enough to have firm roots in the Egyptian book of the dead, and probably has been conceptualized a great deal longer.
DimensionWarped
ShirtGuyDom
Posted 1:48 PM 12/5/08
@Snukadaman_: I've been following your conversation with Mpalm, and you're an idiot. Quoted from your post:
"im sure you didnt complain when people were saying gears 2 will rrod your system or call people trolls...just only when a topics about sony and someone doesnt see your opinion right.."
And then quoted from the post from Mpalm you were replying to:
"...it's blatant trolling. Like a post about Gears 2 and people going "Gears 1.5 will RROD your system lololol." Nothing about the actual article, just sheer idiocy."
Way to not read.
ShirtGuyDom
Jest
Posted 1:48 PM 12/5/08
What confuses me the most is Ashcraft getting so worked up over this.
Jest
Brian Ashcraft
Posted 1:48 PM 12/5/08
@Snukadaman_:
Take this elsewhere please, yer gumming up the comments section with a now irrelevant conversation.
Brian Ashcraft
syl1985
Posted 1:48 PM 12/5/08
@Abriael: First off, you've missed the mark by a freakin' country mile.
Also, please learn how to spell 'lose'
syl1985
PlayerX
Posted 1:47 PM 12/5/08
@PlayerX: ... then again, I've never travelled anywhere, so what do I know....
PlayerX
PopACapsLockInYoAss
Posted 1:47 PM 12/5/08
Kotaku hasnt exactly been winning me over lately.
PopACapsLockInYoAss
Snukadaman_
Posted 1:46 PM 12/5/08
@Mpalm.: The internet is to voice your opinions...i voiced mines..if you take it as trolling then i must be doing something right...who cares if you have excitement for gears 2...im sure you didnt complain when people were saying gears 2 will rrod your system or call people trolls...just only when a topics about sony and someone doesnt see your opinion right..
Snukadaman_
Mpalm.
Posted 1:46 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped: So if one puppy is really ugly, puppies are no longer cute?
Mpalm.
syl1985
Posted 1:45 PM 12/5/08
@SolidOni_ds: No, you're an idiot.
syl1985
daknight
Posted 1:45 PM 12/5/08
@almarota1979: Actually the word 'Educacion' is similar to 'Education' DEEPENDING on the place is spoken. For example, educacion here (Puerto Rico) has the same values as the word education. But in other places, say Chile, it probaly does have another meaning, so your example is pretty valid. Was just adding something to it (considering I live in Puerto Rico and speak spanish)
Is just, that there is only very few game developers that seems to have the problem of there meaning not being translated correctly O_O
daknight
lonesn1per
Posted 1:45 PM 12/5/08
preach on kojima!
we have to deal with american media everyday with games being the blame for all kinds of things, why isnt he wrong?
hes totally being honest and i agree with him context gets taken out of control and thus turning his words that hurt a platform.
lonesn1per
syl1985
Posted 1:45 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped: Woah now, you're being entirely insensitive and ignorant. Pretty much just proving Hideo's point.
Take a step back and relax.
syl1985
SolidOni_ds
Posted 1:44 PM 12/5/08
XD now I know why they call him "BASHCRAFT"! Cause he bashes people associated with companies he doesnt like! Amirite????
SolidOni_ds
ShirtGuyDom
Posted 1:44 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped: Yes, because a characteristic of a certain culture can really describe every person in every position in that culture...
ShirtGuyDom
Xiedo
Posted 1:43 PM 12/5/08
"I am Japanese, so I try to be modest. I'm especially modest person."
lmao, that just hit me like a ton of bricks.
Xiedo
PlayerX
Posted 1:43 PM 12/5/08
He sort of contradicts himself when he says Japanese people are more modest and blah blah blah, then goes on to say that Westerners are basically incapable of subtlety....
I do understand a little bit about the differences between our cultures, but it must be said he was being a little rude, in my opinion.
PlayerX
DimensionWarped
Posted 1:42 PM 12/5/08
All I know for sure is that its plain retarded to harp on about how amazingly modest Japanese people are after the way Sony began this console generation hocking the PS3 as something more powerful than the equivalent of a super computer from space, something that could sell to all the masses in spite of an asking price of 600 dollars.
The thing that got them in the last place (currently of course) boat in the first place was their extreme lack of modesty. It's quite humorous then to see Kojima talking as though Japan as a whole takes the virtue of modesty from the masses. Last I checked, modesty is a virtue the world round. People are people and not all people are virtuous, and it doesn't matter where the hell you go, that will always be true.
I know I've seen plenty of psychotic cocky Japanese game developers who aren't Kojima either. The Ninja Gaiden guy... Itagaki comes to mind on that one.
DimensionWarped
Mpalm.
Posted 1:41 PM 12/5/08
@Snukadaman_: Call me what you will, but your opinion has nothing to do with the article, it's blatant trolling. Like a post about Gears 2 and people going "Gears 1.5 will RROD your system lololol." Nothing about the actual article, just sheer idiocy. I guess the SDF inside me makes me point this out though, along with my excitement for Gears 2... but let's ignore that shall we?
Mpalm.
Antiterra
Posted 1:41 PM 12/5/08
@daknight: Could Kojima's point have possibly flown any higher above your head?
Antiterra
ShirtGuyDom
Posted 1:41 PM 12/5/08
@Chances: Old picture.
I'm surprised at how many commenters don't realize this pic is quite old and has been use about a thousand times on this site.
ShirtGuyDom
Brian Ashcraft
Posted 1:40 PM 12/5/08
@Abriael:
What are you blabbering on about? Read the article. It's not bashing the PS3.
Brian Ashcraft
pridex
Posted 1:40 PM 12/5/08
I think he really wanted to put MGS4 on the 360... BURN!!! But seriously you know he did.
pridex
Chances
Posted 1:39 PM 12/5/08
(1) Metal Gear Solid 4 will kick all kinds of ass and I will buy it without reading reviews.
(2) He looks surprisingly young.
Chances
Abriael
Posted 1:39 PM 12/5/08
@Albanian_Killa: lol, the best thing about MGO is that it ISN't similar to other FPS/TPS online. No idiots bunny hopping like crazy completely destroying the atmosphere of the game.
Abriael
almarota1979
Posted 1:39 PM 12/5/08
Whoa, it's funny how the blogger (Ashcraft) does exactly does what the Hideo is talking about. It is well documented in studies that in some cultures you don't ever boast about yourself or anything related to you because it's seen as bad etiquette. One of the things US folks are known for being loud, and thinking we are right about everything. The blogger is an example of that. It's also funny how Ashcraft demonstrates how rude some US Citizens really are.
Oh Yes, you must know everything about someone else's culture. You play their games, maybe lived there, and now you're an expert?
It's called reading people. Look up research and see how culture practices, language, and upbringing are related how we interpret the world, how we interact with other people, and yes how we speak as well.
A direct translation misses most of the context. In Spanish, the word "educacion" does not have the same meaning as the word education. Eventhough education would be a direct translations the Spanish version refers to academics, understanding social rules for interaction, being polite, well raised, etc.
I remember reading that article and being confused that he would criticize his own game. Did that make sense? No... and now we know why.
almarota1979
SG79
Posted 1:38 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped:
You can call it false modesty or whatever you want, but the point that westerners in general aren't known to be humble.
Unlike the headline, he didn't specify Americans but westerners in general. I'm as white as they come and don't find that offensive or untruthful.
This implies the majority, not all of them. I wouldn't mistake Itagaki for a humble person, nor did I ever hear Ed Boon brag about his projects.
SG79
rrghy
Posted 1:38 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped: To understand another culture properly, you really have got to make an effort to step into their shoes and see how they view issues, do things, react to situations.
Forcing your own values onto another culture, and denouncing it for not conforming to your standards, is...
Not very nice at all.
rrghy
daknight
Posted 1:38 PM 12/5/08
@Archaotic: Yeah, I understood his comment about it as well as the car analogy. Just the fact that he pick the wrong words to use, making this 'excuse' or 'correction' about his original comment actually making his comments worse than the original ones he made ^^;;
daknight
Albanian_Killa
Posted 1:37 PM 12/5/08
hideo can do whatever he wants lol! cant wait for mgs4. mgo rocked. however, some didn't like its style cause they think mg games are call of duty style.
Albanian_Killa
Abriael
Posted 1:36 PM 12/5/08
What i didn't really appreciate was the tone in Kotaku's commentary. Is the 360 beginning to loose that bad that Kotaku feels the need to join the gametrailers bandwagon and bash the PS3?
Kojima didn't mean that the PS3 is underpowered, sorry if that bursted your bubble. Anyone with even the slightest knowldge of the guy and of japanese culture already understood that even without the need for him to make amends.
Abriael
Nobuyuki
Posted 2:16 PM 12/5/08
Wait, there's a flying car in MGS4?
Nobuyuki
mindf1ow
Posted 2:11 PM 12/5/08
I dont like his comments on Americans.
mindf1ow
Highlander Wolf
Posted 2:11 PM 12/5/08
@johnnylineup: I'm agreeing with you. The "mistranslated" argument is perfectly valid. Consider that by the time the story got to Kotaku, the headline read "Kojima Disappointed With Metal Gear Solid 4". I can't get at the original EDGE article, but the word "dissapointed" is nowhere to be found in the section Kotaku quoted. I decry shenanigans; the headline exaggerated the story.
@Antiterra: Agreed;
@Ashcraft: I disagree with your last two paragraphs of this article, and feel like you're being unduly harsh on Kojima; the "modesty" argument is valid. Then again, I'm a biased Metal-Gear-fanboy. Uh, fan-man. Whatever.
@Kojima: LOL, Your flying car analogy is AWESOME! I don't understand it at all, but I don't care!
However, the original EDGE article does have the following quotes, which I don't think can be blamed on the translator:
"...the graphic, side things like motion-blending and the size of the map, totally was not accomplished to my original vision..."
"...when we actually started developing the game, we realized there were a lot of restrictions..."
"...I'm not criticizing the PS3 machine, it's just that we weren't really aware of what the full-spec PS3 offered..."
@Kojima (again): What 'restrictions'? Oh, wait, I think I know...
@Sony: If the PS3's Cell Processor had all 8 cores available for the game software to run on, and more than 512 MB RAM for the system and graphics, would it have been too expensive to manufacture and sell at a reasonable price, considering how much the Blu Ray drives cost? Did you handicap the gaming power of your console by imposing your Blu Ray HD media format on its users?
Highlander Wolf
Mpalm.
Posted 2:10 PM 12/5/08
@MechaTek: Exactly! I'm already aboard, c'mon lets go! To the moooooooooooon!
Mpalm.
rrghy
Posted 2:10 PM 12/5/08
Burp. Let's all take a chill pill... nowwww
rrghy
Gon
Posted 2:10 PM 12/5/08
what the hell did he just say? now I think I understand how he thinks. just the way he talks he goes in circles and complicates everything. now the MGS storyline makes sense.
Gon
Gambare
Posted 2:08 PM 12/5/08
biased brains and they couldn't understand the philosophy of the artist
THEY ARE NEVER SATISFIED WITH THEIR WORKS EVEN IF THEY ARE PERFECT TO THE EYES OF EVERYONE
but I guess the American minds are too little and too close to understand that, it was very compressible.
Gambare
Mpalm.
Posted 2:07 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped: Yes, every region has it but to the same extent? How about... say... Chinese food. You can get chinese food in many places around the world, but does that make it part of everyone's culture? If a culture is bred to believe in modesty, that is a different story. You cannot say that Americans are a modest bunch. Shit, I know it and i'm a damn new yorker. We tend to be an angry, not modest at all bunch.
Mpalm.
SG79
Posted 2:07 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped:
Watch your tone a bit, or try to. We don't need a religious argument started here.
Also, the western culture spoken of isn't that of the middle east or north Africa. The west has always been associated with Europe and the Americas. Mostly Europe of course if we're going back that far.
SG79
ThisCharmingMan
Posted 2:06 PM 12/5/08
Wow, instead of just saying something like "I'm sorry, perhaps I misspoke, or my opinion on the hardware was skewed in translation" he goes on to completely alienate, and insult the entire western world with stereotypes about us 'cocky Americans'. This is not damage control, Kojima. You're digging yourself deeper...
ThisCharmingMan
MechaTek
Posted 2:05 PM 12/5/08
...and wait so if the PS3 is the spaceship, we can all go to space right????! >.>
MechaTek
bigman88zz
Posted 2:05 PM 12/5/08
i dont know if i should be offended about his comment that americans brag. sounds kinda.....stereotypical. no matter how true you think it is, some things you just dont say, or else you may cause unrest among the masses.
bigman88zz
fuchikoma
Posted 2:05 PM 12/5/08
Makes sense to me. It's like when you give someone a gift in Japan and say something like "this is kind of a boring thing, but... here." Instead of thumping his chest and proclaiming greatness (that's PR's job...) he tried to drop a few relatively vague excuses for why it may not live up to expectations. Even if he was sure he nailed it that would be the normal thing to do.
fuchikoma
Antiterra
Posted 2:05 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped: Have you ever spent time in Asia? I lived in Vietnam for a few months, and believe me when I tell you that what we call modesty is very far removed from the kind of humility I witnessed there.
"Modesty" doesn't even begin to describe the degree of self-effacement I was confronted with on a daily basis - to the point where I needed extreme patience to get people to communicate on a personal level and assert themselves individually.
I'm not saying it's a good or a bad thing, just that it's a very real thing.
I can't comment on Japan, as I've never been there, but if I am to believe the few hundred books and movies I've read/seen over the years, as well as the handful of Japanese friends I had back when I was a student, I'd say that yes, the Japanese do have a different perspective on modesty.
The concept itself is obviously not exclusive to any one people, but as they say in the disclaimers, results may vary.
Shit, and I said I was going to sleep half an hour ago, but I was fascinated by the mix of enlightened and idiotic comments in this thread.
Going now. Seriously.
Antiterra
RTW
Posted 2:05 PM 12/5/08
@DimensionWarped: Yeah, are you seriously retarded? or ignorant or what, I just can't figure out.
The Bible wasn't compiled 2000 years ago, when Jesus is said to have been born, it was compiled many many years later. (I don't know the exact date, but it's was compiled by a series of letters to the Church at the time, and I'm not going to make up some bullshit numbers like you seem to be doing.)
The Jewish people were founded archaeologically about 1000 BC, 5000 years ago is touching base with CHINESE. Oh boy.
RTW
Jelster
Posted 2:04 PM 12/5/08
Not sure how else the guy is meant to clarify he was just being modest when it's blatantly clear a large majority missed it the first time round and need to spelled out for them.
The fact his clarification is still being mocked and twisted is pretty sad. If I was him I'd only do interviews with Japanese press and leave the rest of the world to suffer press releases.
Until you can competently express yourself in his native tongue to a cynical media/audience I'd kinda say it's only polite to cut the guy some fucking slack.
Jelster
NullsRevenge
Posted 2:04 PM 12/5/08
Really I don't see what Kojima is worried about. He wasn't the first developer to complain about the PS3 architecture.
Why give interviews about a game you are trying to sell if you are too modest to talk about all the good things in it. I don't recall him having a hard time talking about all the good parts in all the previous MGS games.
I don't think him doing a long winded rant really does any good. He should have just clarified his words, and not rant on about how us westerners are wrong and didn't really understand his comments, and we are all braggers.
NullsRevenge
DimensionWarped
Posted 2:02 PM 12/5/08
@Mpalm.:
To call the virtue of modesty a cultural aspect is absurd though. Every region in the world has it. Every single one. It's most likely intrinsic to human nature to view modesty in a positive light.
DimensionWarped
Nullzero
Posted 2:02 PM 12/5/08
Hideo comes off sounding a bit... bitter... in this interview. I think HE needs to realized that the door swings both ways. His interpretation that western developers are immodest and boastful are perhaps wrong in a culturally relative sense.
I don't see too many western developers nowadays saying that their games is the best thing EVER, EVAR. It's more like a modest "this is the best we've made so far, and we're PROUD of it, and we want you to like it." Is that immodest? Or boastful? I don't think so. But in Japan, it probably would be.
Anyway, it's ironic, because Hideo accuses translators and western magazines of misinterpretting his comments... but based on his views of western developers, he's doing the same damn thing... By saying they're boastful or too proud.
Nullzero
Xiedo
Posted 2:01 PM 12/5/08
@karasu is my homeboy: It's like the codec I wish I didn't answer.
Xiedo
Sailorcancer
Posted 2:01 PM 12/5/08
I blame it all on his son...
Sailorcancer