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Analyst: Wii To Lead Hardware, PS3 To Lead Software By 2012
Posted by Leigh Alexander at 9:20 AM on May 31, 2008
The Wii is set to break console sales records in 2008, says analyst group DFC Intelligence - but the PlayStation 3 will beat the Wii's software sales by 2012.
Worldwide console sales can pass the $US 180 million benchmark by 2011 even in an economic slowdown, said the analyst group, since high gas prices encourage people to entertain themselves at home. While the report sees Wii as the likely overall install base leader, it is critical of Microsoft, stating that "for the 80 percent-plus of game consumers that do not play FPS games, the Xbox 360 is not the system of choice."
The sales performance of the PlayStation 3 has been less than stellar, but Sony has survived. The Xbox 360 was unable to take advantage of Sony's struggles to build the type of large lead needed to maintain a long-term advantage. The PS3 survived the onslaught of AAA Xbox 360 titles that hit the market from late 2006 through 2007.
Halo 3 had great sales, but it did very little to enhance the Xbox 360's overall position in the marketplace.
Full report and more stats than you can shake a Wii remote at:
Led by the PlayStation 2 (PS2), the "128-bit" generation of video game systems has reached a record global installed base that is expected to exceed 180 million units. Of course, the PS2 was the best-selling game system ever.
With high hardware prices and a slow start for most of the current generation of game systems (Microsoft Xbox 360, Nintendo Wii, PlayStation 3), DFC Intelligence had originally forecasted that it would not be until 2012 that the installed base for the current generation started to match that of the 128-bit systems.
However, 2007 was a record year on all fronts, as sales of PC and video games reached an all-time high and overall worldwide industry sales soared over the $US 50 billion mark. DFC Intelligence forecasts that sales for the current generation of systems will pass the $US 180 million mark in 2011.
Ironically, a slowing economy can actually help the game industry. Video games provide a high rate of entertainment return and high gas prices actually encourage people to stay home and play games. The latest DFC Intelligence forecasts predict that all three systems (360, Wii, PS3) will have a solid installed base. Nevertheless, it looks like the Nintendo Wii will be the overall installed base leader. The Wii has enormous momentum and appeals to the broadest audience.
In doing retail checks over Memorial Day weekend, the item that everyone was asking about was the just launched Wii Fit. However, none of the retailers we visited had any in stock. It is because of this type of demand that DFC believes in 2008, the Wii could set a record for most console systems sold in a single year.
Of course, many of the biggest games are not even coming out for the Wii. Halo 3 and Gears of War were exclusive to the Xbox 360. The upcoming Metal Gear Solid 4 is only going to be on the PlayStation 3. The biggest title of 2008, Grand Theft Auto IV, is only available for the PS3 and Xbox 360. In other words, for many third-party publishers the more important race is between the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3.
Two years ago about this time, DFC Intelligence asked the question, "Could Sony Go From First to Worst?" At the time, our less than definitive answer was: maybe. We argued that much would depend on the execution of Sony and its competitors over the next few years. Two years later, DFC can say with more confidence that we do not think the PlayStation 3 will be the third place system. DFC forecasts that the PS3 will overtake the Xbox 360 in 2009 and finish in a strong second place behind the Wii.
The price of the PlayStation 3 has come down to a reasonable level and the software lineup is finally starting to look fairly strong. Most importantly, Sony was able to keep the PlayStation 2 installed base active. For its recently ended fiscal year, Sony Corp. reported that hardware unit sales of the PS2 were down by 7%. From our perspective we would say they were ONLY down by 7%. This is amazing for a system that launched in 2000. The PS2 managed to outsell both the PS3 and Xbox 360 in 2007.
The sales performance of the PlayStation 3 has been less than stellar, but Sony has survived. The Xbox 360 was unable to take advantage of Sony's struggles to build the type of large lead needed to maintain a long-term advantage. The PS3 survived the onslaught of AAA Xbox 360 titles that hit the market from late 2006 through 2007.
Halo 3 had great sales, but it did very little to enhance the Xbox 360's overall position in the marketplace. The Xbox 360 is the system of choice for fans of high-action first-person shooter (FPS) games. However, for the 80%-plus of game consumers that DO NOT play FPS games, the Xbox 360 is not the system of choice.
In our upcoming Genre Forecasting report, we look at expected sales by platform based on genre. While the Wii may have the highest installed base, there are not expected to be any mega-hit FPS titles on the platform. The average FPS title is expected to have 60% higher sales on the Xbox 360 over the PS3 and over three times the sales of the average Wii FPS game.
The biggest uncertainty in forecasting the market five years from now is estimating the impact future, unannounced systems will have. In building our forecasts, DFC Intelligence has assumed that some new systems will launch in the 2011 to 2013 time frame.
However, these forecasts are very hypothetical and are made under the assumption that a new generation of console systems will look very much like the past generation of game systems. This may not be the case, and right now we do not even know who the major players will be.
How soon will Nintendo want to launch a new system with the Wii being so successful? Will Microsoft still want to stay in the game business given their losses? Is Sony really serious about pushing the PS3 to a ten year plus life cycle? Will new game systems just be an extension of the current game systems with some enhanced features and services? These are questions we are currently unable to answer.
One thing that is worth noting is that DFC has built in different models for how fast the current systems will be retired and how heavy consumer purchasing of software will be for each system. We call these factors respectively the active installed base and software tie ratio.
The Xbox 360 has a high software tie ratio, but given technical problems among many early units it also has a fairly high retirement factor. The Wii has both a lower software tie-ratio and a higher than average retirement factor. On the other hand, one advantage with the PS3 is its durability and what is expected to be a fairly strong software tie-ratio in the long-term.
For this reason, the DFC Intelligence forecasting model indicates that software sales for the PlayStation 3 will surpass software sales for the Wii in 2012. Of course, by this time, software sales for all systems are expected to be on the decline.
The biggest story over the next few years may be the declining overall importance of the console systems. Last year Sony's biggest selling game system was the portable PSP. Meanwhile, the Nintendo DS blew out all records for game system hardware unit sales (portable or console) in a single year.
From a pure revenue perspective, the biggest system for software sales in 2007 was the PC, if you include revenue generated from online services. Like we said, 2007 blew away sales records on all fronts. Right now it looks like 2008 will be even better.
Record Game Sales in 2007 Are Just the Start for the Soaring Video Game Business [DFC Intelligence]
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JP
Posted June 2, 2008 5:17 PM
Daria reference wins.
Grimmjow Jeagerjaques
Posted 10:05 AM 31/5/08
@Mpalm.: It's still is (127 million sold by the end of 2007), that analyst is just that. an "analyst".
Grimmjow Jeagerjaques
DARTH_TIGRIS
Posted 10:04 AM 31/5/08
PS3 hardware sales have been creeping up, but its software sales really haven't. Seriously, after the REALLY big guns (i.e. Halo 3-esque) are released (basically MGS4 and FFXIII), what else is left? PS3 owners have proven that they don't buy games the way 360 owners do. What evidence is there that will change in the future?
These 'analyst' would be better served to simply comment on the individual performances of the consoles instead of predicting so-called 'winners and losers'.
DARTH_TIGRIS
geiko
Posted 10:02 AM 31/5/08
Thank you Kotaku for making Daria the PS3. I always did think she was the hottest in a creepy kinda way, and sure enough I also like the PS3 and think its hot...... in a VERY creepy kinda way.
*shifts eyes*
*hugs PS3*
geiko
quen
Posted 10:01 AM 31/5/08
Well, that was interesting... okay, I lied, it wasn't... but even if it's ten paragraphs of stating the obvious, that's at least better than ten paragraphs of wrong, right? (Oh, and that 2012 'model' prediction has enough caveats, plus the fact that they mention in their own text that nobody will give a toss about it at that point, plus it's far enough away, that it won't matter if it turns out to be 2010 or 2014 or never.)
@Ramonskito: WOOP WOOP! It's the fanboy alarm! And no... it's not reacting to the analyst. I wonder who it could be?
quen
PlasmaMachine
Posted 10:01 AM 31/5/08
Will anybody really care by 2012?
PlasmaMachine
Grimmjow Jeagerjaques
Posted 10:00 AM 31/5/08
That is a punch to MS's Balls
Grimmjow Jeagerjaques
NeoAkira
Posted 9:59 AM 31/5/08
@kingmanic:
I wonder if trolls like you will still be around in 2012 too.
I think it's a pretty big no-brainer that the Wii will be the hardware leader this generation. Lower price tag, larger appeal two points it's competition can't compete with it in.
But I'm sure that the software sales lead is pretty much up for grabs. Currently it's the 360, but we'll see what happens when the PS3 catches up in units.
NeoAkira
parad0x360
Posted 9:59 AM 31/5/08
2012? The issue for Sony isnt this generation. Its next. MS came out of the gate with a slow start on the original Xbox but going by Xbox 360 hardware and game sales they made an impact. The 360 is important because its building a name for gaming on an MS platform thats not just for the hardcore.
Both companies have taken alot of flack this generation, both for different but all very important reasons. Sony's lack of software and services, and Microsoft's reliability.
The release of the next generation of consoles with be a far larger battle for both companies. If Sony can fix their software issues and pull out a strong finish then then will probably end up neck and neck with MS next generation. If Sony continues of the path they are on then its bad news for them in the future. Yes MGS and FF are big series but 2 AAA titles dont make a winning console.
Its going to be a hard fought battle for both companies but we will all benefit. MS will come out with far more reliable hardware next generation and hopefully Sony will come out of the gate with a strong library of games.
The real question is what will Nintendo do? Will they go the route of pure game play innovation or will the combine that with a high powered system as well? I hope they do both. Graphics dont make a game but they can open new possibilities, that along with more power dedicated to better physics and AI can open a whole new world of gaming that the Wii just cant touch.
Honestly I wouldnt mind one bit if MS and Nintendo teamed up next gen. MS can design the hardware itself because they go all out on the power and design as well as an excellent operating system and services, and Nintendo can bring their creativity and reliability to the game. If that were to ever happen then Sony would be doomed. MS has been working on some CPU and GPU tech in house the last few years. The 360 was the 1st attempt at bringing their designs to homes and aside from the heat/rrod issue the 360 is amazing piece of hardware. I cant wait to see what they come up with next.
parad0x360
TuxBobble
Posted 9:55 AM 31/5/08
You could not have picked a better image for this article.
You are fantastic. And I'd propose to you if I wasn't 21--I'm not ready to settle into a long-term thing right now.
TuxBobble
Communist_Gamer
Posted 9:55 AM 31/5/08
I refuse to trust anything that stereotypes the 360 into FPS games like a fanboy. Horrendously unprofessional.
Communist_Gamer
belo
Posted 9:55 AM 31/5/08
I would assume by 2012, the PS3 will have a nice handful of exclusives worth playing.
belo
DigitalHero
Posted 9:53 AM 31/5/08
Prediction: Xbox 360 will have the lead defects by 2012! =P
DigitalHero
otarumx
Posted 9:52 AM 31/5/08
PS3 is slowly winning ground over the 360 but none of them can compare to the Wii sales. In order for 360 to remain on top they would have to get a game that can boost it's sales to Wii levels but if Halo 3 and Gears of War couldn't I don't know what game can. MGS4 might give a really big boost to PS3 placing the console really close to the 360 if not surpassing it eventually with the arrival of other big games in the fall and winter.
otarumx
Beam1985
Posted 9:52 AM 31/5/08
Good. I'm glad 360 is Quinn, she was the hottest anyways.
Beam1985
enewtabie
Posted 9:48 AM 31/5/08
Who know's where we'll be in 2012..We'll be motion controling everything probably,lol..Microsoft with the Newton(love the name guys:) and Sony with the "Waggle"
enewtabie
Wolfers
Posted 9:46 AM 31/5/08
As fun as these are to read, they're so stupid.
Wolfers
NotoriousJnX
Posted 9:45 AM 31/5/08
Daria...diarrhea, uh huh huh uh huh huh huh..
NotoriousJnX
Shiryu
Posted 9:43 AM 31/5/08
Hmm those PS3 analisys sound a lot like sci-fi to me. Lets hope were all ehre in 4 years time and see if anyone even remebers what they had for dinner, let alone these predictions.
Shiryu
DigitalHero
Posted 9:42 AM 31/5/08
1. Wii
2. PS3
3. 360
Is what I predict worldwide when the dust settles at the end of the console war. (around 2010 or 2011) Remember, its just a guess by analyzing the trends. =)
DigitalHero
Mpalm.
Posted 9:36 AM 31/5/08
@Strangelove: MOOT!
I Love office space :D
Mpalm.
Mpalm.
Posted 9:35 AM 31/5/08
@Ramonskito: I'm pretty sure PS2 is the best selling console ever... no?
Mpalm.
Strangelove
Posted 9:34 AM 31/5/08
This guy should get a Jump to Conclusions mat.
Strangelove
Mpalm.
Posted 9:34 AM 31/5/08
@bobtheduck: Confirmed sony fanboy! :D
I suppose i could see this happening as PS3 picks up steam, software sales have been good for a while now. It's all about what exclusives are coming and 360 / ps3 have some great titles on the way.
Mpalm.
FOXHOUND
Posted 9:34 AM 31/5/08
@Ramonskito: I'm not totally sure what he said is considered biased when it's an actual fact... but I could be wrong /sarcasm
FOXHOUND
Falconrith
Posted 9:33 AM 31/5/08
@TalAarahk: I remember reading this gen is expected to last longer due to the potentially exorbinant costs of producing the next gen of consoles (I.E. PS4 being sold at 1000$).
Falconrith
excel_excel
Posted 9:31 AM 31/5/08
@Ramonskito: Wasn't the PS2 THE best selling console ever?
excel_excel
ion1626
Posted 9:31 AM 31/5/08
Shouldn't the xbox360 be kevin the football player rather than Quinn? I am not sure it maters who is first, there seems to be plenty of room in the market for all three.
ion1626
excel_excel
Posted 9:31 AM 31/5/08
@kingmanic: what about No More Heroes!! And Eledees? and Dewys adventure? and Sonic and the secret rings? AND ZACK AND WIKI! WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF OUR DEAR ZACK AND WIKI!
excel_excel
enewtabie
Posted 9:30 AM 31/5/08
@Ramonskito:
100 and some million consoles don't lie..
enewtabie
Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc
Posted 9:29 AM 31/5/08
I love the mention of "The average Wii FPS game." I guess that's the midpoint of Red Steel and MoHH2.
Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc
enewtabie
Posted 9:29 AM 31/5/08
The Wii is a monster,no doubt. Nintendo can only really hurt themselves at this point and I don't see that happening.I'm gonna pick up another Wii it looks like...
enewtabie
JocktheMotie
Posted 9:29 AM 31/5/08
By 2012 the Xbox 720 will be out, so...yeah.
JocktheMotie
Ramonskito
Posted 9:29 AM 31/5/08
An analyst writing fannish-laden statements like "the PS2 was the best selling console ever" marks his entire article as some kind of Sony-worship, biased rant of a Sony camp writer. Either he's in the pockets of Sony or he has a shrine of PS2's and PS3's in his home.
Ramonskito
bobtheduck
Posted 9:28 AM 31/5/08
Just so everyone knows, I'm not saying this because the picture placed her on PS3, but Daria is freaking awesome.
bobtheduck
kingmanic
Posted 9:28 AM 31/5/08
@Foxstar Sixtail: Everybody so long as real games survive on the PS3 and 360. If the wii kills the 360 and PS3 then traditional gamers have lost and we will have no more games of depth and substance just lots of mini game compilations and shovelware. In that case only nintendo and all the people who bought cooking mama will win!
seriously, only mainstay Nintendo franchise games and PS2 ports on the Wii resemble games I want to play. Nearly the whole rest of the library is crap aimed at my mother.
kingmanic
TalAarahk
Posted 9:27 AM 31/5/08
Isn't this gen long over by 2012?
TalAarahk
Sailorcancer
Posted 9:26 AM 31/5/08
@Foxstar Sixtail:
ME!
Sailorcancer
maniacmayhem
Posted 9:26 AM 31/5/08
It feels like there's at least 1 article every week that says the same thing about the Wii/PS3/360.
maniacmayhem
excel_excel
Posted 9:25 AM 31/5/08
Interesting...will the people harping on about the Wii being a casual fad and dying soon be wrong?? methinks so.
As for PS3 leading software sales....well of course when it starts selling more than the 360 its a no brainer, its just a case of when.
Considering the amount of TV push GTA got for the 360 it sold incredibly well on the PS3 so one can only imagine what an exclusive GTA would have done, so onward to MGS!
excel_excel
Buttah
Posted 9:24 AM 31/5/08
"And in other news, life goes on...."
Buttah
katboi
Posted 9:23 AM 31/5/08
@Foxstar Sixtail: With competition, the customer wins.
katboi
Kanik
Posted 9:23 AM 31/5/08
Ah, Daria. That show was so great.
"What are the three branches of the government?"
"Republican, Dominican, and Aristocat"
Kanik
Does Not Equal
Posted 9:23 AM 31/5/08
Christ, I'm sick of these "_____ will win by 20XX" predictions. By the time we get to that year, no one will remember if the guy was right or wrong, and there's too much that can happen in between. Why do they even bother, except to get their names in the news?
Does Not Equal
SG79
Posted 9:23 AM 31/5/08
@Foxstar Sixtail:
Yamauchi.
SG79
Pr1vate_D0nut
Posted 9:23 AM 31/5/08
Daria FTW!
Pr1vate_D0nut
Foxstar Sixtail
Posted 9:22 AM 31/5/08
Hm. But as Nintendo makes a profit of everything, hardware and software, who really ends up winning?
Foxstar Sixtail
Zosic
Posted 10:25 AM 31/5/08
@excel_excel: ever played the game, sorry :( yeah, i know, i should
Zosic
excel_excel
Posted 10:23 AM 31/5/08
@Zosic: What are you talking about?? what xbox games were better looking than Resi 4 on GC?? and its not as simple as bluray or HD as Bluray is not in competion with HD DVD anymore
excel_excel
hk458
Posted 10:23 AM 31/5/08
Ps3/Daria says, "Regarding our poor sales, its all men's fault"
hk458
Zosic
Posted 10:19 AM 31/5/08
@Zosic: Ok, awfully terrible is probably being a bit too harsh, but compare it to the xbox then woah. Not much of a difference with the ps2.
Zosic
dirtypanda
Posted 10:17 AM 31/5/08
not that this matters......we'll be hankering for the next-generation of machines within 2 years.....
Lets be honest.
dirtypanda
Zosic
Posted 10:17 AM 31/5/08
@LunarMaster: 360 has equal graphics to PS3 or better at times, it just depends on your preference of high quality visuals, HD or bluray. Gamecube, on the other hand, was just AWFULLY terrible.
Zosic
Zaos
Posted 10:16 AM 31/5/08
A wall of text someone got paid to come up with to tell the world what we already know.
But only kotaku would put daria as the picture. much win sirs, much win indeed.
Zaos
Darth Navster
Posted 10:15 AM 31/5/08
For all the Xbox 360 fanboys, there's no need to worry. According to the Mayans, the world will end in 2012, thereby exposing the triviality of our apparent console war.
Darth Navster
Zosic
Posted 10:14 AM 31/5/08
All three of the girls are rather good looking (yeah wii and 360 are hot of course)
Zosic
minus_273
Posted 10:13 AM 31/5/08
lets not forget the red ring of death if anything helped sony it was that
minus_273
LunarMaster
Posted 10:13 AM 31/5/08
The PS3 is the Xbox of last gen (good system specs not so many games), the 360 is the GC of last gen (many games, but a bad image), and the Wii is the PS2 (total domination).
LunarMaster
Tiberian
Posted 10:13 AM 31/5/08
The problem with many analysts is... they assume way to much. Whos's to say what will happen in 2009? What game could tip the balance in Sony or Microsoft's favour? This is why i really hate predictions and analysts in general. In this Industry, anything can happen. Lets go back a few years and ask people if they thought the Wii would ever achieve this level of success. Not one would be able to.
I fully expect Sony to sell more hardware eventually than Microsoft but i just don't see their attach rate of games to hardware to ever over take 360's. One game [MGS4] is not going to suddenly tip the balance of attach ratio's.
Tiberian
JustThisGuy
Posted 10:12 AM 31/5/08
Bah, whatever. The world's going to end by 2012, anyway.
@Ramonskito and everyone else: is the PS2 the best-selling console ever?
...
Nevermind. Just googled it. I didn't think it sold more than the Game Boy, but it did by 9 mil. units. Color me surprised.
So, yeah; not really a fannish statement when it is, apparently, a fact.
JustThisGuy
RetroChristal
Posted 10:10 AM 31/5/08
Wait, I've been a Daria my whole life. There's no way I'm like Quinn cause I love my Xbox 360!
RetroChristal
Mpalm.
Posted 10:10 AM 31/5/08
@DARTH_TIGRIS: Actually, just because multiplatform games sell more 360 copies, does not mean PS3 owners have proven that they don't buy games the way 360 owners do. A larger portion of PS3 owners have been buying games lately compared to 360. Look at vgchartz, GTA4 sold about 3.6 million ps3 copies and 5.1 million 360 copies. You can't say PS3 owners don't buy games considering there are about 6 million more 360s out there.
Also, you can't forget Little Big Planet... i think that game is going to surprise a lot of people. Hopefully KZ2 won't be a flop as well.
Mpalm.
DARTH_TIGRIS
Posted 10:39 AM 31/5/08
@Mpalm.:
Ok, seriously, let's take the BIG games out of the picture. GTA4, Halo 3 and CoD4 are not representative of how most games sell on either the 360 or PS3. Those are megahits that defy expectations and all reasonable sense. When you look at how OTHER games sell, just regular games, PS3 owners don't buy games like 360 owners do.
I'm not saying that they don't buy games or there's nothing out on the PS3 because that's simply not true. I'm not slighting the PS3. Its just obvious that 360 owners buy more games. Just look at the factual attach rate (which isn't colored by install base) and its undeniable.
DARTH_TIGRIS
Bobman32x
Posted 10:36 AM 31/5/08
If Quinn is the 360, then the Fashion Club must be the RRoD. People seem to put up with them but no one knows why, since theyre so mean to everyone else. well, aside from Stacy ofcourse. Everyone liked Stacy.
PS. Needs more Trent and Mystik Spiral.
Bobman32x
gwolf
Posted 10:35 AM 31/5/08
Can anyone remember when an "ANALYST" was right... about anything I mean?
Oh well; What do you expect from Kotaku.
gwolf
excel_excel
Posted 10:33 AM 31/5/08
@freakout: good point about xbox live, its kind of a hidden number in most aspects, I mean 6 million subscribers is very impressive
excel_excel
LunarMaster
Posted 10:31 AM 31/5/08
@Zosic:
What I was saying is that the GC had a pretty good variety when it came to game genres(in comparison to Xbox), but it always had the stigma of being a "kids" system (in the way the 360 is viewed as a shooter system).
I completely agree with you that the 360 and PS3 are equal in power (due to their limits), but I also think that the general public sees the PS3 as being the most powerful system available.
LunarMaster
dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased
Posted 10:31 AM 31/5/08
Hi, I'mma put on my analyst hat:
By 2012, exclusives will be entirely silly and cost-ineffective. No amount of money that Sony, Microsoft, or Nintendo - barring their own in-house development - will really make an exclusive worth developing. By 2012, each game that analysts (such as myself) care about - because they make the numbers that matter - will cost a bajillion dollars. Exactly a bajillion. No way would any sane dev want to cut off a significant portion of revenue to help someone else sell hardware.
So... basically, the only thing that is going to sell hardware by 2012 is the hardware itself. People won't ever learn that specs don't really pan out because they don't know how to look for the weakest link. So, it's not going to be a specs game. It's going to be a features game. Not a features like what kind of new wonder squishy format your console plays or whether or not it can brew your coffee upstairs. No. It's going to be the social backend and utilization of the Internet. Live vs. PSN and whether or not you can order pizza while marathoning Grand Theft Auto: 1929.
I'd show you my awesome chart, but that's for the analysts conference.
dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased
Spartan1308
Posted 10:30 AM 31/5/08
In the year 2012:
---Wii will have surpassed the 100 million install base mark and have such a commanding lead in hardware that it will be impossible for Sony to lead in software unless they count Bluray movies, which still may not give them the advantage. Nintendo fans will continue to suffer from crappy online capabilities and enjoy all new 32 character friend codes using numbers, English alphabet letters and kanji for improved safety.
---Sony will be explaining why the PS4 has been delayed 6 months and telling us it's worth the starting price of $1000 b/c it will be equipped w/dual holographic displays capable of 1.7 Bajigglegingy™ HyperUltraHD™ graphics.
---MS will have released the Xboxiii™ w/improved waggle that includes X-motes to strap on to each foot and each hand at the end of 2010. Since the latest MS console will have been released 2 years prior to 2012, J Allard will again be home in the Alpha Centauri system.
Spartan1308
freakout
Posted 10:28 AM 31/5/08
What a load of tosh. 360 hasn't built a long-term advantage? Microsoft has over 6 million people currently paying them annual subscription fees in order to enjoy to full capabilities of the console. To categorise this as anything but a huge success in the face of free competition is foolish and short-sighted in the extreme.
To put it another way, Microsoft has customers so loyal now that they're willing to keep paying every year. That is going to be a tremendous advantage going into the next console generation. Let's also not forget that for only their second effort in the console market, MS has managed to take an enormous chunk of marketshare off Sony. They've gone from completely dominating with PS2 to what will likely wind somewhere up close to 50-50 this generation.
No, DFC, MS has built quite the long-term advantage. It just hasn't shown itself yet.
freakout
Muisee
Posted 11:05 AM 31/5/08
By 2012/2013 I will own the Xbox 720, who cares about the current-gen at that point? I would also like proof of the "80% of gamers do not even play shooters" figure.
Muisee
Aflack: Likes slushies
Posted 11:03 AM 31/5/08
Could care less about console wars, I just came for the Daria references.
Of which there are none! What is wrong with you guys!? Fuhmoss 3 anyone?
Aflack: Likes slushies
excel_excel
Posted 11:03 AM 31/5/08
@freakout: I was thinking ten million, I remember it mentioned when MS said they were the best selling console this gen (then they remembered the Wii and said best selling HD console...ugh) and boasted about the members.
But if there not differentiating between whoes got silver and gold accounts and who might be using the free one month subscriptions and all then its hard to tell.
But I agree that anyone who used it this gen will use it next gen, like most original xbox users with live accounts moved onto there 360 accounts
excel_excel
quen
Posted 11:02 AM 31/5/08
@DARTH_TIGRIS: But attach rate doesn't matter, at least in the long term. (And even if it's not coloured by install base, it's certainly coloured by length of time the console's been on the market, is it not? 'Games bought per month of ownership' would be a better figure, and yet still pretty meaningless.)
Fact is that the number that *is* coloured by install base is the one that matters. Right now multiplatform games - including GTA4 - sell more on 360 (except for Guitar Hero 3 which I think has now sold more on Wii). In the US that's likely to continue for quite some time.
quen
BassForever
Posted 11:01 AM 31/5/08
I really don't understand this idea of PS3 beating the 360, in Japan its a given, in America I doubt its ever going to happen. I think really this war is all about Europe, and while they seem to be PS3>360 the sales for 360 stuff continue to increase.
BassForever
Marasai
Posted 11:01 AM 31/5/08
So the ps3 will win because of their stellar lineup of non fps games....do they have non fps games?
Marasai
dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased
Posted 11:00 AM 31/5/08
@megaStryke:
It's nice to dominate the hand-held market, isn't it?
dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased
freakout
Posted 10:57 AM 31/5/08
@excel_excel: Actually that number may be a little off - I just pulled it out of a quick Google. On closer inspection the number of Live users has actually passed the ten million mark, but MS doesn't break that down into how many are paying Gold and how many are free Silver.
Even a low estimate of Gold users (say, 20 or 30%) would still mean MS has a 2-3 million people paying them annually, which is still nothing to sneeze at. My main point is that anyone happy enough with the Live service to keep paying for it is pretty much guaranteed to move on to the next Xbox, whenever that happens.
Not to diss Sony, by the by, just that it having a discussion about the Xbox's future without including LIVE is like... like... well it's just silly, okay? (goes off in search of better analogies.)
freakout
otaking241
Posted 10:53 AM 31/5/08
God, I haven't thought about Daria in years. Great pic.
otaking241
megaStryke
Posted 10:51 AM 31/5/08
High hardware and software sales are nice, no question. In the end, though, whoever makes the most profit is the true winner. I want to show you some trends that were just brought to my attention:
[gamerinvestments.com]
Here is some info from the article:
Cumulative Operating Incomes - PS2/GC/Xbox Era
SONY - US$3.046 billion
NINTENDO - 4.588 billion
MICROSOFT - (4.202 billion)
Cumulative Operating Incomes - PS3/Wii/360 Era (Current)
SONY - (3.192 billion)
NINTENDO - 6.802 billion
MICROSOFT - (2.565 billion)
Cumulative Operating Incomes - Both Eras
SONY - (0.146 billion)
NINTENDO - 11.390 billion
MICROSOFT - (6.767 billion)
Make of that what you will.
megaStryke
aka Bitter
Posted 10:49 AM 31/5/08
At this point, does it matter who "wins" this generation? The PS3 is over it's intial weakness, the Wii has proven it's not a fad and the 360 has established itself as a player in the market(at least in the US). Anyone who owns even a single console is going to be happy with the releases for the next few years.
aka Bitter
wild homes
Posted 10:43 AM 31/5/08
Wait! Not to spam, but I got a star? When did that happen? It is SWEET!
wild homes
wild homes
Posted 10:42 AM 31/5/08
@dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased: My friend, I agree with you in principle, but to say first-party exclusives are the only ones that matter even now. The age of the third-party exclusive is already dead.
PS Daria was really fun, good image!
wild homes
EmeraldDragon
Posted 11:26 AM 31/5/08
Daria FTW!
*goes to be somewhere that isn't in the middle of another "console wars" fight*
EmeraldDragon
Muisee
Posted 11:26 AM 31/5/08
@Teelie: I really hope that is not how he found that figure. I own only two shooters and really dislike most FPS, but I still play a select few and own the console that has the best games for my taste. I agree with everything you said, I don't know why Kotaku posted this in the first place.
Muisee
Aflack: Likes slushies
Posted 11:20 AM 31/5/08
@megaStryke: Yes, yes I am.
Aflack: Likes slushies
okenny :)
Posted 11:18 AM 31/5/08
2012? Shit! I hope PS3 is leading by 2012 :) It'll probably only be competing with the PS2 by then.
okenny :)
EtherealDragonz
Posted 11:15 AM 31/5/08
This is going to be an interesting console generation. Shane Kim stated that he sees the Xbox360 lasting longer than the typical 5 year life cycle.
Ken Kutaragi stated that he sees a ten year lifespan for the Playstation 3.
These are probably valid outlooks considering the hardware power of both of these consoles can be stretched for quite some time, and due to the fact that Nintendo stopped playing the hardware cycle game and decided to build something more unique.
So it's possible we won't see a real winner in the sales race until 2016. What I'm interested in is seeing if Nintendo can keep up its momentum with the Wii or if they will use another "Blue Ocean" strategy in the 2011/2012 timeframe to differentiate itself in the marketplace.
EtherealDragonz
R3load
Posted 11:14 AM 31/5/08
@parad0x360: 2012? The issue for Sony isnt this generation. Its next. MS came out of the gate with a slow start on the original Xbox but going by Xbox 360 hardware and game sales they made an impact. The 360 is important because its building a name for gaming on an MS platform thats not just for the hardcore.
This is exactly what I have been saying since the console war started. M$ is more than likely going to be third place this generation without question because they dont have the penetration in the market that Nintendo and Sony have. For two companies to be utterly destroyed by the PS2, they are doing damn well for themselves now considering the amount of loyalty the Playstation Brand carries on name alone, its the way consumers work, we stick with the names we love.
This was Sony's generation to be THE sole console. What we have, however, are three companies that now have a place in the market. Sony fell behind this generation, M$ and Ninty have set good trails for future success without having to fear the PlayStation brand name. To be honest, I thought Sony overall was going to pass Nintendo Wii sales over the full life of the consoles, but damn the Wii's sales gap is so heavy and its not slowing down. I bet this will have an impact on future consoles when it comes to cost though, so good job Ninty?
R3load
Teelie
Posted 11:14 AM 31/5/08
@Muisee: The claim is likely skewed by the fact there are more non-FPS games sold than FPS and some assumption that if you play FPS games, you don't play any others or something along those lines.
I play FPS games but I also play MMO's, RTS, RPG, etc. All the "3 letter" game types. How does that catagorize me and everyone else who isn't so simple? This guy is like every other analyist: Making wild assumptions, boiling everything down into simple, uncomplicated catagories and getting a false result from it.
Teelie
Sawboss
Posted 11:13 AM 31/5/08
I, like Aflack and many many others, have nothing useful to contribute.
However, I will say that the associations made in this article are completely wrong. The PS3's avatar should have been Sandi.
Daria was the Dreamcast.
Sawboss
kylo4
Posted 11:13 AM 31/5/08
I don't think so, because after two years the PS3 doesn't have that many games worth buying. I have a 360 and a PS3. I was always a big PS2/Sony fan and I have 68 games for PS2. In the time since I've had both consoles, 7 are PS3, 31 are 360. 360 just has better games, and I continue to be annoyed at how bad the PS3 is compared to the PS2 that I spent so much money on.
kylo4
megaStryke
Posted 11:09 AM 31/5/08
@Aflack: Likes slushies: Kotaku members go on a chicken-killing spree after reading a comments thread that spun wildly out of control. All this and more, today, on...
Sick Sad World
Happy now?
megaStryke
wild homes
Posted 11:45 AM 31/5/08
@Mpalm.: While I, too, am über-excited about Little Big Planet, I'd take exception to the idea it's going to SURPRISE anyone. That game has started more discussions, recieved more exposure, and released more trailers released than ANY OTHER GAME IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. Even the stone dead know what Little Big Planet is.
Seriously, Sony! Just release the damn thing already! We're sick of waiting!
wild homes
megaStryke
Posted 11:45 AM 31/5/08
@kingmanic: They most certainly do:
SONY (PS2 Era) - US$3.046 billion
SONY (PS3 Era) - (3.192 billion)
3.046 - 3.192 = (0.146 billion)
megaStryke
NoBullet
Posted 11:44 AM 31/5/08
Wii to lead industry crash.
NoBullet
VPS
Posted 11:43 AM 31/5/08
I've been saying this for months now: PS3 will win the *NEXT* console war.
BTW, PS3 = Jodie, X360 = Kevin, Wii = Jane.
VPS
heydanbud
Posted 11:42 AM 31/5/08
wow GO PC!!!
and I'm glad to hear that PS3s future looks good.
heydanbud
kingmanic
Posted 11:32 AM 31/5/08
@megaStryke: Your numbers for sony don't add up?
kingmanic
dragonfang18
Posted 11:31 AM 31/5/08
WOw thats the same year people predicted the end of the world. Lol.
What a great way to money, wait till its all over.
dragonfang18
ZenGaijin
Posted 11:56 AM 31/5/08
I'm posting solely on the fact that I love Daria.
MTV PLEASE release Daria on DVD.
ZenGaijin
KM91
Posted 11:49 AM 31/5/08
I predict that by 2012, this generation will be over and these stupid predictions will will still keep coming
KM91
NoBullet
Posted 11:48 AM 31/5/08
@JustThisGuy: Nevermind. Just googled it. I didn't think it sold more than the Game Boy
Gameboy is not a home console system. Its a handheld system.
Something people should take note of when you group handheld sales with consoles sales. Theyre not supposed t be grouped.
NoBullet
willyt9
Posted 12:10 PM 31/5/08
Nothing in this article is news to me aside from the hard numbers. (Let me state clearly at this point that I own all 3 current gen systems and am not a fanboy of any)
The momentum is clearly shifting towards the PS3. I am not saying that it has caught the 360 (or even that the gap is not wide), but one simply needs to look at the secondary market to see where things are headed. Go to Ebay and look at what 360's are going for compared to PS3s. Peruse Craigslist and look for the same thing. Walk into a Gamestop and ask which used systems they have behind the counter.
Some of this can be attributed to the vast number of 360 units sold comparatively, but the fact is they just don't carry the same value as the Sony machine. All things equal, no one trades a 360 for a PS3 straight up; and this is while the PS3's catlogue is a joke when compared to MS's.
willyt9
kftgr
Posted 12:10 PM 31/5/08
For all the analyzing that the analyst has done, he might want to analyze also the game libraries of the 360 and PS3. Then come back and say how FPS-centric each of those consoles are.
Glossing over certain numbers to support your forecasts? Classic!
kftgr
TSlade
Posted 1:20 PM 31/5/08
@TSlade: I should be clearer on the above.
"All things equal, no one trades a 360 for a PS3 straight up"
Any numbers to back THAT up? After all, we already know that the PS3's lineup is a joke next to the 360's ;)
TSlade
TSlade
Posted 1:15 PM 31/5/08
@willyt9: "All things equal, no one trades a 360 for a PS3 straight up; and this is while the PS3's catlogue is a joke when compared to MS's."
Really? Are there any numbers to back that up?
TSlade
TSlade
Posted 1:13 PM 31/5/08
@excel_excel: It's weird that you say that - I've only seen PS3 ads for GTA.
But I digress. I mean, by 2012 we'll all be under the thumb of our new alien masters anyway. I'm probably not even going to be playing video games. Probably.
TSlade
Fryfat
Posted 1:11 PM 31/5/08
This is analysis depends on common messageboard misconceptions.
Misconception #1) "360 is just for FPS!"
Debunked long ago. Taking the scores of 80+ rated games from metacritic, you'll find that PS3 has a higher percentage of FPS games than 360.
Misconception #2) "Wii has the lowest tie-in ratio!"
Tie Ration:
Wii 4.88
360 6.65
PS3 4.21
The prediction of PS3 overtaking 360 in 2009 is one year too early (using current sales records) and the PS3 overtaking Wii in software would be a miracle according to current trends, historical data, and any sort of sober analysis.
Fryfat
hodayathink: I <3 neo-noir lesbians
Posted 1:40 PM 31/5/08
@Beam1985: Daria was hotter, or at least as hot, as Quinn. Do you not remember the episode where Quinn started to be intellectual and Daria had to snap her out of it?
hodayathink: I <3 neo-noir lesbians
Aflack: Likes slushies
Posted 1:37 PM 31/5/08
@ZenGaijin: You mean they haven't yet!? I was just going to search for Daria on DVD.
Aflack: Likes slushies
artofwar420
Posted 1:36 PM 31/5/08
Dario mucho trigo.
artofwar420
JokesJokes
Posted 2:03 PM 31/5/08
@kingmanic:
Rimbin: Holy cow batman! The Bat-unfairgreneralization-o-meter is going crazy!
Batman: That dastardly villain kingmaniac is at it again!
JokesJokes
hefferj05
Posted 1:55 PM 31/5/08
@geiko: Do you remember the episode where Daria became hot to outshine Quinn? I loved that show...
hefferj05
fenderfuel08
Posted 1:54 PM 31/5/08
What MS needed to do during Sony's struggles is give the 360 another price cut. Because they did not, Sony delivered their new $399 40GB SKU and brought themselves back into the race at full force.
fenderfuel08
willyt9
Posted 2:24 PM 31/5/08
@TSlade:
I actually wasted the time and went to Ebay. I was going to run some averages for used premium 360s vs used ps3 40gbs. there's no need to even crunch the numbers. The used 360's are closing for around 200 consistantly and the ps3s are going from anywhere between 325 and 375.
willyt9
willyt9
Posted 2:14 PM 31/5/08
@TSlade:
Proof is in the pudding. I recently had a 360 to trade. In three weeks I found 0 people willing to trade straight up for a PS3. I had to throw in a PSP in the end to make the deal work. Same week, I had a friend trade his PS3. He ended up getting a Premium 360 with 8 games and $100 cash.
Just read the craigslist adds.
willyt9
JokesJokes
Posted 2:11 PM 31/5/08
I'm actually not sure who "Rimbin" is...proofreading, yikes!
JokesJokes
Neoistheone2000
Posted 2:34 PM 31/5/08
In other news Analyst and Analyst groups, find real jobs.
Neoistheone2000
Finalboss
Posted 2:31 PM 31/5/08
stopped reading after "128-bit" generation
Finalboss
Ion_Predator
Posted 2:52 PM 31/5/08
Haha, won't the world have ended by 2012?
But seriously, analysts...don't listen to them.
Ion_Predator
L_K_M
Posted 5:16 PM 31/5/08
I just want to point out that I take offense at the picture. Something as awesome as Daria should never be associated with anything from Sony :-)
L_K_M
Ramonskito
Posted 5:07 PM 31/5/08
@quen: It's reacting to you, undoubtedly.
By the way guys, geez, I didn't say the statement was untrue but the fact that he had to MENTION it in an article that is supposed to be about the present and the future is fanboyish. It's a fallacy to predict the future based on events occurring in the past.
That's not the only thing in the article that stands out as rather amateurish, he says a lot of things that I would expect from a fanboy as opposed to a professional, unbiased analyst.
For example, he posits the question: "Will Microsoft continue to stay in the game in the next generation given their massive loses?" Wait a minute, did he just direct that AT Microsoft and not at Sony? Last I heard, Sony is still losing massive amounts of cash from each console sold, and with such low attach rates for games and Bluray one would question why the analyst bothered doing his research. Further, Xbox 360 is now profitable and they are no longer selling below manufacturing cost.
And please, before someone points out that they still haven't made all their billions back, so they couldn't possibly be profitable, kindly research the terms sunk-cost or better yet hire an accountant to draw picture charts if you still don't get it.
Ramonskito
Balius
Posted 6:10 PM 31/5/08
Um...he seems not to realize that, while Sony and Microsoft are sharing gigantic releases like GTA, Nintendo has similarly big selling exclusive content. The most amusing bit was that he uses FPS sales as an indicator of software sales, and uses that to rationalize the idea of low software sales on the Wii, since polled Wii owners are unlikely to buy a FPS on their console.
Nobody I know has used ownership of a portable device as a cited reason for not buying a console. Looking at a rise in portable gaming as a harbinger of the death of console gaming is as ridiculous as saying a rise in telephone purchases signals the end of the age of the toaster.
Yeah, sorry, that's a bad hypothesis supported by bad reasoning. DFC Intelligence is fail.
Balius
jasongw
Posted 5:55 PM 31/5/08
Of note! If we're counting "generations" of consoles in bits again, then we're *still* in the 128 bit generation, because Wii, 360 and PS3 are ALL 128 bit systems.
jasongw
Nico8332
Posted 6:28 PM 31/5/08
@Ramonskito: Is the PS3 losing money in the EU as well? I know Nintendo has been prioritizing europe for a while, since they can sell Wii's for twice as much as they can in the US. I haven't seen a single store being sold out of them for over a year now, which from what I've heard isn't exactly the case in the US.
Nico8332
Vidunder
Posted 6:20 PM 31/5/08
Let's say Wii dead by 2012, Xbox 360 still niche and PS3 total lead in Hardware and Software... but nobody will care because everybody'll drool upon the new, imminent console generation.
Vidunder
nikolaj
Posted 6:38 PM 31/5/08
OTHER analysts however say that the sun will explode by 2010, so I guess it doesn't really matter.
nikolaj
Tietsu21
Posted 7:11 PM 31/5/08
Wow...this matters why?
They are all going to do well. It's good. Competition makes this industry like it does everything else.
Still the Wii makes me sad...I bought it and I've played it for like 16 hours total.
Tietsu21
GodKiller
Posted 7:12 PM 31/5/08
I'm happy for the pc in all of this!
More pc games! They have gamepads too, can plug to same giant tv screen and have a list of game that is unbeatable + emulation.
Now if only emulation of ps2/xbox/gc would be better...
I would personally, be more likely to buy a good emulator with features like state saving then buying a console...who says you can't buy/rent real game disks after that. Sure it would be easy to copy, but has in all piracy, most wouldn't even get the game if they had to buy it.
I would rather have people that wouldn't be likely to buy my music, go download and listen and enjoy then never be heard.
GodKiller
Nexus-6
Posted 7:36 PM 31/5/08
Seriousl the report looks like it was prepared by some of the SONY PRs... :-)
Nexus-6
Ricksterlau
Posted 7:35 PM 31/5/08
2012, LOL?!?
Before that year the Wii will have already reached saturation point and will be phased out, just like it's predecessors. Whilst the Xbox 360 and PS3 will fight on until their last minute to their death. My prediction? Yeh, I guess PS3 will win both in terms of most number of sales of software and hardware worldwide.
Ricksterlau
Lamburger Helper
Posted 8:36 PM 31/5/08
"For the 80 percent-plus of game consumers that don't play Japanese games, the PS3 is not the system of choice"
Lamburger Helper
Foxstar Sixtail
Posted 9:21 PM 31/5/08
@NoBullet:Your strawmen are on fire.
Foxstar Sixtail
gramblor
Posted 10:29 PM 31/5/08
"How soon will Nintendo want to launch a new system with the Wii being so successful? Will Microsoft still want to stay in the game business given their losses? Is Sony really serious about pushing the PS3 to a ten year plus life cycle? Will new game systems just be an extension of the current game systems with some enhanced features and services?"
Find out the answers to these questions and more next genereation: same Kotaku time, same Kotaku channel!
Oh I love a good cliffhanger!!!
gramblor
InvaderGirJr
Posted 10:56 PM 31/5/08
Man, I'm still playing my PS2. The games on the X360 eventually come to the PC, so I get it for my PC. The PS3 has basically nothing right now. And the Wii, well, I like the fact that my mom plays games again, but where is the 3rd party support (other than No More Heroes, and Zack and Wiki, which I own)?
Going through the MGS Essential Collection, and I'm already halfway through Snake Eater. So the PS2 has the most play time at my home. That and my NES (gotta have my dose of Super Mario Bros 1, 2, or 3 every once in awhile).
InvaderGirJr
Mlata
Posted 12:08 AM 1/6/08
Ahaha! SUUURe! Lead software sales by 2012... Compared to what? The Wii 2?
2011 or 2012 im pretty sure IMHO that we'll be seeing Big N's next Hardware Genereation, since they're on a 5 to 6 year standard Console-Lifespan plan.
By that time the've ALREADY made A FUCKTON OF MONEY and ready to delight us gamers with another AWESOME CONSOLE PRODUCT, whereas PS3 and Xbox360 Owners start getting bored by the 100's FPS installment and wish that had a Console with more COLOUR.
Mlata
Fabrice
Posted 12:28 AM 1/6/08
I guess we'll have a better idea once MGS4 sales are out, but so far that retail software sales on recent titles have been pretty similar once you factor the install base, across all genres, so it's a pretty safe guess to say ps3 will lead software sales when they sell more hardware than 360 and even at this point the market share will probably not compensate for exclusivity.
Plus that's assuming that Wii games will stop selling like hot cakes. Even if the tie-in ratio is lower, if the gap in hardware expands for another 2 years (like the DS did) there is little chance for the software to lead before the end of the race.
Also all signs point out the fact MS is in the console business for the long run. They need Xbox live digital downloads to combat Itunes and they need to put a Media box in your living room before anybody else does. However this generation has been probably like a kick in the balls for them in the sense that they could have easily do much better had they simply been able to release a reliable product.
Fabrice
zerokoolpsx
Posted 12:55 AM 1/6/08
Wii may have the biggest installed base, but they really lack good third party developer games. Super Smash Bros, and Twilight Princess is great, but what else? Not having GTA4, Gears of War 2, Halo 3, MGS4, RE5, SF4 and FF13 will hurt them in the long run. I was mostly surprised at the huge market of casual gamers. The installed base of the Wii is bigger than the combined might of PS3 and 360?
When the Wii first came out, everyone was buying it, but no real games with it, they we're just happy with Wii Sports. So they have the largest install base, but WHAT games are they playing? That's what I like to know.
zerokoolpsx
TSlade
Posted 2:09 AM 1/6/08
@willyt9: Nice work with the ebay, 200 bucks? Maybe it's time to pick one up for the office.
By the way, that PSP+360 deal. Yeah, that's awesome.
TSlade
Garo
Posted 2:57 AM 1/6/08
I'm laughing at the people who think that analysts pull their informations and predictions out of their arse.
Garo
pasquinelli
Posted 3:22 AM 1/6/08
@Ion_Predator: the world wont end in 2012, we'll just start having permanent black outs.
pasquinelli
supercrap
Posted 4:27 AM 1/6/08
I don't see how they can tell who can lead software by 2012, since most 2011 games probably haven't even been announced yet. Most of the games I want are for the system that always breaks, I think the Wii is overpriced, and I don't care about Blu-Ray since I can't afford a new TV (especially if I spent $400 or more on a game system), so this generation so far for me has just been the DS. It's ok, I love my DS.
supercrap
Salen
Posted 4:42 AM 1/6/08
@katboi: According to most ISP cable providers, no competition leads to happy, more wealthy customers. I'm still waiting for that to be true.
Not that I believe competition is going to make the customers all the better either. How'd that HD-DVD/BluRay and Betamax/VHS thing work out with competition?
Me, I'm going to be over here in the corner of "the only folks who will win are the companies who end up soaking me out of all my cash". Its like WarGames. "The Only Way to Win is Not to Play."
Salen
LeLoi
Posted 7:19 AM 1/6/08
Drop the price of the PS3 to 200 dollars and below and then lets see who will have the hardware lead in 2012 = P
LeLoi
aiko.adonia
Posted 4:27 PM 1/6/08
yay for daria reference! not that i'm a fan or anything.... ^_^
aiko.adonia
UncleScrotar
Posted 9:17 AM 2/6/08
Did anyone REALLY expect the 360 to grow its uber hardcore user base? The only real market MS has penetrated is NA, which isn't BAD per se, but it won't win the war. The 360 should maintain it's lead over the PS3 WW through 2009 and maybe even into 2010 as the PS3 isn't exactly cutting into the 10 million console lead the 360 has going for it. I have my reservations about the effects MGS4 will have on the PS3 as a whole. MG has always been a hardcore love it or hate it series, and from what i've read/seen/played so far that hasn't changed much. The only reason it might sell fairly well is due to the simple fact that it's visually appealing and has a lot of hype, that said i think mr. normal every day gamer is going to be surprised when they pick it up. That's not to say it won't be a top seller on the PS3... just a thought.
The Wii, well now that's another story. Mine's been collecting dust for months (same goes for a lot of my friends) and yet it's still selling out worldwide. It's an enigma.
UncleScrotar
MushyPeas
Posted 10:47 AM 31/5/08
you guys realize this is only 3 1/2 years into the future and not 15 years? Some of you are carrying on as if leaks of the new Xbox 720 and Ps4 and Wiii have hit the net already. You're not getting a new console upgrade for about 5-6 years.
MushyPeas