Does anyone know if they cut the ending song as well?
If they did, no fucking way in hell that I'm buying this game.

I'd rather buy the PS2 version in that case. What about all the Clover logo's hidden in the game?

Iceman B.

If anything positive, at least they won't be tied to a port of the game with control issues. Perhaps if Clover Studios did it, the game would've come out much better...

Optimistic Prime

C'mon, it couldn't have been that much trouble to watch the original credits, transcribe the names, and put them into whatever new credit system they had going on.
Sure, boring and tedious, but the least they can do to credit the original creators of the game.

Sofox

hmm, if this doesn't cause a gamer riot, then we need to rethink our priorities.

Xagest

Are they allowed to do that?
Surely there has to be some IP laws violated here.

One Way Mule

That's low. They could've gone to mobygames or imdb and copy/pasted the original credits if they didn't want to edit the video.

This, and the box art from IGN thing, make it seem like a rush job.

RobertFoster

Sounds to me that Capcom can't be arsed to look for the original source files. Likely the same reason for the box art.

JonC

Awwwww. Its such a... Saaaaaaaaaaaad Panda!

Salen

gawd this really is an ass raping to the former Clover. Still i'm sure that it would be easy for staff members to prove they worked on the original title, I mean it sold very well in its original format and it was for that format it gained acclaim, still I feel sorry for them.

shaunomacx

Wow, that's one cursed port. First the logo disaster, now this.

Nirual

Follow up: Would it have been so hard for someone to have gone and made an XML driven version of the end credit text? It would have probably taken any decent sort of programmer 1 afternoon to code it and then hand it off to a Jr. to fill in the credits file. Or would it have been so hard for them to ask Capcom (the damn owners of the game) for the source movie?

</rant>

Digg it.

CyberSkull

This explains cloverfield....

K-Squad! (Badass Edition)

shitty indeed. jesus capcom, give credit where its due to one of the finest games to come from your house in 10 years or so - and im saying that as a fan of most of your games.

TheIrishNinja

Even if what Capcom stated was true (highly doubt), there was no reason the vid couldn't have been edited to take out the logo. Or they could have created new credits. Many re-releases of games have done the same.

So is it Capcom taking credit for others work, or is this like the cover art and them just being lazy?

TKWarrior

What kind of excuse is that? They could easily remake the credits sans the logo.

JonC

I don't care about the story that panda is just too cute.

skyhawk21

What do they mean legal issue? I thought Clover was a wholly owned subsidiary?

CyberSkull

Capcom sounds like a pretty big asshole right now.

Heyyou27

@SeriousStu: Yes, alot of assets were lost when Clover was dissolved.

It's my understanding that alot of Okami had to be remade for the Wii because of this.

Agies

Oh really? Wow I guess I'm have to pick the PS2 version instead.

Snappywave

@Iceman B.:

good point. Anyone with the Wii version know if the hidden clovers are still in the game.

Accordion

What the hell? Were all digital assets and graphical source materials wiped from whatever networks they were stored on when Clover was dissolved?

In either case, it's a pretty bad move... I really enjoyed those end credits on the PS2 version. I recall there being some fancy animation and some really fruity music.

SeriousStu

PS2 version seems better and better with each story.

jackal888

Yeah, that's pretty lame on their part. This and the cover mishap point to a very unorganized and rushed port.

Lokno

its a shame clover is no more.

pandafresh

That's one more strike against the famous capcom. Sooner or later I might just stop buying there games. And I have a good couple of their games. All of devil may cry, all of phoenix wright, hell all of marvel vs capcom, all of street fighter, and even the forbidden long lost darkstalker for ps1 and psp. Give credit where it is due or I as a gamer shall sue.

Jnkzm4

Oh, ouch.

Josh*

They should have redone the credits. I'm glad I bought the original at release and haven't bitten on the Wii port. Sad, sad panda.

beeporama (brian.j.parker)

Well...now we know how much Capcom cares about the Wii...

JGab

this is absolutely deplorable. ready at dawn are a talented bunch, but, of course, the real credit should be given to the team that created this game. capcom should be ashamed for even thinking of doing this. i'm completely disgusted. i know japan is certainly not the lawsuit-happy mess that america is, but i think they should use the court system to lay creative claim over the property and demand not financial remuneration, but creative credit.

thaKingRocka

This pisses me off beyond belief. I was the localization coordinator and was credited in the PS2 version, but now I don't get any credit? That's crap.

aevanko

That headline couldn't have come at a worse time, what, with poor Ling Ling's death and all.

furiku

@Optimistic Prime: What control issues? I don't experience any control issues with the game.

JRock

This makes me feel guilty for playing the Wii version of the game and recommending it to anyone and everyone. It is such an incredible, wonderful game. If the next however many hours live up to the first 15, it will be up there with Resident Evil 4 in my "top games ever" list. Thanks to everyone at Clover for creating this game, they have reason to be proud. And Capcom has every reason to be ashamed for removing their names from this great game. Capcom should print the original Clover credits on the back of the new case inserts they're sending out to replace the IGN watermark cover -- along with a heartfelt apology and genuine thanks.

Sloopydrew

This isn't the first time. The 'Gooch and his 'stache has had a similar problem. His name was cut out of all the GBA remakes of Final Fantasy which I think is shit.

It's hard to defend games as art when the corporations have their petty paw marks all over things.

If a game is remade, they should credit the original developers otherwise it's plain and simple plagiarism.

Hmmm, this topic would make an very interesting "investigative article" if some journalist were to write one up (/nudge /nudge /wink /wink).

RPGr

While I still want to buy Okami, I do get a feeling Capcom really rushed it.

It kind of makes me almost not want more Viewtiful Joe ... almost.

battra92

It wouldn't have been that hard just to re-do them and have them scroll against a black screen. Capcom is just lazy.

Sinnix

@JonC:
Not to make a slight against RAD, but given some of the issues with the Wii port, I think remaking the credits would've make their heads explode.
...ok, so maybe that's kind of a slight.

Anyway, would it have been THAT had to take the movie and just block out the Clover logo with a Ready At Dawn logo or something?!
Sheesh. They could've at least TRIED.

I've also heard, though haven't yet confirmed it, that the epilogue at the end where we learn who the narrator is is gone, too.
...can anyone who has beat it on Wii yet confirm if that's true or not?

Mr. Fap☆Fap!

How can it be a legal issue? Surely the people who owned Clover wouldn't mind their own logo being displayed on their own game, even if it is a port. That's just rude is what that is.

Ugly Toy

Epic Title

Abdar

So the people porting Okami couldn't spend half and hour or so scribbling down the names of the people involved and creating a new credits sequence??? White text scrolling on a black background wouldn't take even a new recruit more than a day or two to write.

That's really bad form from Capcom, they should re-release the Wii version with all the IGN logos removed and the Clover studio teams names back in the game to make up for this.

photoboy

Simple as always: Fuck you, Capcom. You didn't know what you had in Clover. Viewtiful Joe and Okami are some of the best games to be had, and also some of the most aesthetically creative.

vanderblade

That's just deplorable. How can it even be legal? Well, they probably own the rights. Still, WTF... way to backstab them one more time.

fuchikoma

@RPGr: It's not "plagiarism". Capcom owns all of the rights to Okami and there is no video game devlopers guild that makes them include credits. I'm not saying it's morally right but they are not doing anything illegal.

In a large part this is a cultural thing. Clover is dead to Capcom. They were very apprehensive about porting Okami in the first place for just this reason. To acknowledge them after they have left the company could be seen as being shameful. Again I'm not saying it's right but you have to understand the forces at work here.

Agies

That sucks big time for Clover...on the other hand, one of the greatest kotaku headlines I've ever seen

Noc

Wow, that really pisses me off!!!! I can't believe Capcom would do them like that!!! Somebody needs to come along and purchase Platinum Games, give them some money to make a successor to Okami. That really sucks.

mindf1ow

It's ok, Clover. I know you made this, Ill never forget you. Im even gonna go out and buy 'God Hand' for the PS2 since this wont be released anytime soon for the Wii in Euroland. I still hope for better relations between you and Capcom. I want to see 'Viewtiful Joe 3' a reality. :)

Shiryu

<--- one of many proud owners of the CLOVER Okami game.

Seriously, this potentially sets a VERY BAD precedent, where game publishers take previous games and port or update them, without crediting the original staff on the games.

Capcom seems to fail to realize that while there are those who don't care one way or another, that there are still those who WANT TO KNOW who originally made this game, and who did what to make it possible.

It's almost as if Capcom were re-writing history as to who did some of the phenomenal things in this game, and with such an artful game, like Okami, the omitting of the original staff is a horrible idea.

What's next? Striking Okamoto's name from every future port? Maybe Nintendo will somehow forget to put Shiguru's name on every Mario game that comesout in the future.

That's just piss poor and unacceptable, CAPCOM!!!

Soldier_CLE

@tenguman: They didn't remake it from scratch at all. The story/art/characters/battle mechanics/side quests/world was all Clovers doing.
If Clover hadn't done all this, then RaD wouldn't have had anything to do but make a brand new game.

bapfap

that's F'd UP!!
if i work on a game like this, i'd be so pissed if i wasnt credited.

darktorns

Well technically RaD remade the game almost from scratch and Capcom owns the IP, so legally there are no problems there.

But yeah, it kinda sucks how it all ended for Clover. I loved Okami and absolutely loved God Hand too. I hope that the rumors are true and they are making their next game with Suda 51.

tenguman

Good thing I didn't buy the Wii version. Fuck you Capcom for disbanding the team behind my favorite game of all time. They at least deserve some credit when it was you who stole their creation.

bapfap

@Agies: They may own the "rights" to make money off the game but the fact that the original work and story was done by someone else doesn't excuse what is plain and simple [i]academic[/i] plagiarism. Once again, if games are to be considered "art" then it must adhere to similar rules.

Also, while you may not know it, there is a precedent setting case currently going through in the US that addresses a similar problem. Recently the moniker "Superboy" that was "owned" by DC has reverted to the original creator. Likewise this might happen to "Superman" as well.

It's not as cut and dry as you think.

RPGr

@TheIrishNinja:

Agreed. Capcom should be ashamed of themselves.

dead_red_eyes

While it totally sucks that the original makers of the game get no credit, that's not what Hideki Kamiya is talking about. His complaint is that there is NO credit sequence at all. They went to a lot of trouble to make a great credit sequence to reward people for beating the game, and this version has none.

Count me in as not buying this game anymore, I don't want to play a 20-30 hour game and get no true ending - no ending song, credits. It sucks, I want to support the Wii version, but now I'll just track down a copy of the PS2 one.

Dreamwriter

Incidentally, the IGDA has a group working on credits standards, which does affect stuff like this. Hopefully we'll see it bring about some change soon.

Mav

This is absolutely disgusting. Capcom should be ashamed.

kylenalepa

What makes me even more angry was that I sat on buying Okami for the Wii for awhile and traded in my PS2 copy for the Wii version yesterday....

Great, now the completionist in me is looking for a PS2 copy again ><

RPGr

That's kind of disgusting in my opinion, I already believed that it was quite shady to port the game to try and make profit after they'd destroyed the company that made it but then not giving them credit for it either is just a total lack or respect.

Llost

This isn't a matter of Capcom being "too lazy to redo the credits", this was an intentional move. Can't say I agree with it, at all.

bonnebonne

@Dreamwriter: I had no idea what the ending credits were like in the original PS2 version of the game. I just watched a video of it i found on YouTube, and I now understand that "a day's work" is an understatement. It was probably one of the best credit sequences I've seen in any game. Any developer that puts that much effort into the credits really loves its game.

Regardless, there are still no credits in the Wii version. I just beat the Wii game yesterday, and there were no credits. At all.

I wish they could have included the full original video, but I honestly would have settled for "a list of names." Okami's creators deserved some sort of recognition.

Shame on Capcom.

Koontz

So does this mean we shouldn't buy it so as to not support Capcom, or that we should buy it to honor those hardworking people whose names have been lost to the sands of time?

Assuming I want to play something other than Ice Climbers on my Wii someday.

tk.

I can understand them not giving credit to "Clover Studio" but cutting people names out? That's fucked up.

Jenstar

I wonder if Capcom did it because the, former, Clover team no longer works for them. Giving them credit would be advertising a dev team that they can no longer capitalize on.

This is something that, if it were EA, we wouldn't be surprised.

Tenth

A day's work to completely remake the ending FMV from scratch? Like I said, it's not just about a list of names, it's the fact that they basically cut the game's ending. That's what Okami's producer is complaining about.

Dreamwriter

I had no idea he was removed from the credits...
That's nasty on a level that Capcom is, well, actually known for. I think he should also be angry that they've completely disgraced his game in so many ways. Messed up controls, IGN water marks, changed game scripts (none of the Brush spirits call Ammy "Goddess" any more), just to name the big few.

I really don't understand why Capcom likes to disappoint fans so much...

ChrowX

Couldn't it be a legal issue to not give credit to the game's creators?

Why couldn't they just remake the credits? It would honestly be a day's work. Hell, I could of done it for them. There is no reason the credits should have been cut. That's just sloppy and unethical.

Koontz

@tenguman: technically RaD did not make it from scratch. It's the same textures and graphics and art direction...i'm almost certain nobody from RaD re-conceptualize and re-drew those graphics.

So, yeah, i think Capcom blows by not including the original developers names in the credits.

bubuli

Panda cute.. Capcom.. EVIL.

weasl

Yet another reason to boycott the inferior Wii port of Okami. Absolutely shameful.

That said, someone needs to tell the Seeds / Clover guys that "Platinum Games" sounds seriously low-rent.

kiigan

@Koontz: I just watched it as well and... wow. I haven't finished Okami yet, but I had to check it out. It was simply amazing. I'm sad that it isn't in the Wii version.

This begs the question, if RAD went to all the trouble to build this game from the ground up, to recreate it from scratch, why wouldn't they take the extra time to recreate the ending? It makes no sense to me. I would've gladly waited another month if it meant the ending was included.

SilentPredator

Capcom loses an infinite amount of cool points.

Thorax

Because it's pre-rendered? Are you telling me that at a multi-million dollar international corporation that's one of the leaders in its industry and houses dozens of highly skilled computer programmers, graphic artists, and nerds in general can't figure out how to cut off a few seconds of film containing a logo so that the ENTIRE STUDIO that created the game can be acknowledged for their stunningly beautiful masterpiece?
That's on par with half of the bullshit that EA's tried to stomp down our throats. Damn, Capcom, I respected you more than that.

Mujah

Hopefully the next time I bitch about Capcom being a bunch of shitheads people will listen.

They are the only people I know that will spend their own money and someone elses money on developing a game title then pull it after a year or more of development and say "We're putting it on the Wii."

But hey, I'm not bitter or anything.

Aurvant

that's no goddamned excuse! if it's a pre-rendered movie, you make another one and write in their fucking names using another end credit sequence! How fucking hard is that? not like it's a brand new game, is it?

this is essentially taking someone elses work, erasing their names from it, and writing down your own! I wonder if the-artists-formerly-known-as-Clover could sue for plagiarism, because it's very damn apparent that's what Capcom/Ready at Dawn did. It's bad enough that Clover got dissolved for making great games that didn't sell all to well (Godhand anyone?), but even worse when Capcom fucks them over like this.

Bullshit.

God just killed a kitten for you, Capcom, God just killed a kitten.

blackmanfu

Far too much doublethink in these messages! Capcom is winning the war! Chocolate and shoelace rations are up!

Nawara_Ven

damn, capcom just can't stop kicking (formerly) clover when they're already down...

pharcotix

@One Way Mule:

Anywhere else in the world it'd probably be a legal violation, but the United States isn't a big fan of "moral rights" for creators. This basically means it's not a strongly enforced right an author has to be attributed to his work once he sells or licenses it to another party.

Still, a dick move by any standards.

jfmzoo

Yes, it's bad that the Clover credits were cut, but honestly everyone who will get this game already knows that Clover made it. And like all the above comments point out, it's infinitely easy to go ahead and look them up if you want to know anyway. Plus, how many of you (and gamers in general) even pay attention to the names that scroll by at the end in any game? Even Brawl lacked traditional end credits, but no one said anything about that.

On a side note, the hidden clovers are still in it with the original Clover sound effect.

SPhil64

The Clover credits are still in the manual, Capcom still gave credit to the original developers. They did cut the credits at the end of the game though, which is disappointing.

JoseJX

Apparently the same guy who caused the 1997 Resident Evil Directors Cut "We've decided to release the unedited version in North America! Oops we forgot to actually reinsert the deleted footage back in, sorry!" debacle is still working there. When are they going to fire this loser?

Druffmaul

The entire wii version just screams lazy port to cash in on the wii phenomenon. First the ign logo fiasco and now this.
This is the reality of how most developers treat the wii- second rate.

OtherAdam

Yeah that totally sucks that they didn't get their credits put into the game. In the world of produced content its absolutely horrendous to not get a working credit. Shame on Capcom for not thinking that it was important enough.

Kounji

good ol capcom, sad to see whats been happening to one of my favorite companies...

toneroni

Dont blame the game for the lack of credits. It sucks they didnt give credit but everyone is going after the game. I've played both and I can't imagine playing it on the PS2 after playing the Wii. Controls take a level training to get the hold of but they are responsive and after awhile become second nature.

Give this version a shot if you didn't buy the PS2 version, don't be ignorant and think that everything was removed aside from the credits, you're making a mountain out of a mole hole.

*sign*

Support Clover by buying the next thing Seeds makes.

also yes, the hidden clovers are in the game still.

KannonMAK

@Accordion:
Hidden clovers remain plentiful in the Wii version.

@battra92:
This snafu aside - I have to be a heretic and say I prefer the Wii version. The PS2 looked a little better, but the brush controls are way more fun with the Wiimote. I now prepare to be tarred and feathered.

Come on Capcom. Just admit you messed up. Even if the closing credits were pre-rendered, throwing a digital patch on it would take, what, a couple of hours of work? Tops? And somehow I suspect the Readyatdawn credits weren't omitted... (haven't got to the end yet).

thebigsmoke

That's pretty sad, I guess. If it's really legal issues, then it's really legal issues. That's just how business is.

Ping5000

From what I heard RaD had nothing to do with this, they have the highest respect for Clover.

It's was all in Capcom's camp with this situation.

As for not getting credit, the general gaming populous doesn't realize this but:

A publisher or even a head of the studio/producer can get your name stricken from a game's credit list for any reason at all and you just have to take it.

I've known MANY people who worked on a game full time, crunched with everyone and did great work, the game gone gold, and within a couple of weeks wanted to go to another studio AND THEIR NAME WASN'T INCLUDED IN THE CREDITS on "accident" (I think just for spite).

So, the situation above isn't that unusual, especially if another company ported the game and the original publisher pretty much dictated the credit list.

JohnnyLA

Screw CAPCOM... just screw them.

Kamiya-san created a beautiful game and should be credited for it, not matter what. I can't believe CAPCOM couldn't spend a week, paying an intern or someone like that, so they would re-type the credits once more (sans the Clover logo). So I call BS.

I am so pissed at CAPCOM. Ever since they screwed MH fans by canceling the PS3 version in favor of the wii. So I've been boycotting all their games and I refuse to buy any CAPCOM product.

F

tanhaauser

This is a shame, a certain, terrible shame.

Ready at Dawn may have ported the game, but it is Clover who created the concept and execution for this game, and for that reason they deserve all the credit in the world for their beautiful masterpiece.

There are those of us who will know that it was Clover who created the game, but it is a true shame that Capcom found it necessary to remove this credit where it was due.

TraderJake

That is pretty messed up. The guys at the former Clover Studios were working on that for a long time. I really would like to hear an explanation as for why this happened before I bite Capcom's head off.

Do Kesubei

Wow, Capcom, whats your logic in this... you've lost my respect.

Desertwolf

Lame capcom...just lame.

demonknightinuyasha

here's an idea, keep the prerendered cutscene, and cover the logo with something. how hard could that possibly be. I expect a little more fromm capcom.

mightyg

Laziness. Sigh.

SolInvictus

Very poor indeed. Capcom doesn't deserve to reap the rewards from these talented men and women who they shut down.

Dragonzigg

I suddenly have the urge to return to Okami Wii purchase.

Tzepish

@JohnnyLA: As I said before, it isn't new, even a guy like Sakaguchi has had his name stricken from the GBA ports of Final Fantasy.

The problem with this is that if you're gonna bill your products as "art" or "literature" and all the rights that come with it you need to follow academic rules.

To be taken seriously as any media resource, you need to follow standard academic rules.

RPGr

Capcom cluster*'d the Okami port in so many ways, at least the game itself is only bad because they ruined the artistic graphics by oversaturating them.

Gam3r

@Tzepish: That should have read "I suddenly have the urge to return MY Okami Wii purchase."

Tzepish

While I do think its very fucked up that they erased them from the credits I would like to thank Clover for making one of my favorite games of all time. I think the video game community would be a much better place if people kept making games like okami instead of the EA trash that repackages the same game every year with a different suffix.

kagebutsu

Don't look at me, I paid full price when it came out on PS2.

ohhello

I say I wanna hear a lawsuit on this.
Feeling dejected is not enough on this case... they should be sued even more because the Wii Okami is simply a copy of the original game. No more, no less.

Not including the creator's name on the credits isn't only sad, it's a serious offense.

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

@RPGr Agreed.

JohnnyLA

that's what we in the business call: a dick move

Zombie_Moogle

I was planning to get the Wii version, but now...screw it. PS2 all the way.

GwennBlackfeather

anyone who doesn't think this is fucked has obviously never created anything original in their lives...

Interstella5555

Yea this is complete crap. :(

On a side note I love that panda pic but is that really a corpse!?

mugenakuma

Ok, using 'fuck' instead of 'fucks' makes that sentence awkward and confusing. If a collective is acting as a single entity, use the singular form of the verb.

dusty_p_42

Last time I heard of a similar story was for Rockstar's Manhunt 2.
And now this...
This is just too bad.

Tigerfog

That's too bad... Capcom should have asked me to help them remove the logo (which they legaly own, but hey, who am I to ask) without botching up the original credits. My VirtualDub skillz are positively unmatched!

Kaminari

>:( ANGRY FACE!!! *spin kicks Capcom*

MaiAriSquee

@GwennBlackfeather: i'm there with you, and i don't even have a PS2.

i feel so bad for Kamiya.... this demands a lawsuit.

frank0127

@mugenakuma:
Oh gawd no.

Brian Ashcraft

This just adds to my distaste to post-Clover Capcom even more. God Hand was the very last Capcom published game that I truly enjoyed,.

SG79

Wait do they not even have clovers in the game either?

Mongoosekun

@Mongoosekun: this was answered three times last page. yes, the clovers are still in the game.

ryanfrost

the wii controls really are better though, im not sure if the people slamming on that tip are just general wii haters, or have really shakey hands, but having gone throught the ps2 version last year helping my friend's wife beat the ps2 okami and now doing it myself on the wii, i can draw much better with the wii control then trying to draw with an analogue stick. as for this news, yeah total dick move, loyalty just dosent seem to be in some people's minds at all.

ryanfrost

...and doesn't the Clover corporate logo sprout out of suspicious glowing places where you must dig? Because they're, yaknow, freaking EVERYWHERE in that game. What's one more clover, with the names of the original devs?

WTF Capcom? Definitely NOT cool, guys. Not cool at all.

Murmaider

It's sad that they chose not only to wipe the Clover credits from the game, but also to wipe the sequence, the music during the credits AND the epilogue. In particular, the very last thing. The credits are nice and all, and Clover does deserve in game credit (since nobody reads manuals anymore anyways). Well, on that note, I think it's worth making some noise about; if complaints over the IGN watermark did something, it can't hurt to bother Capcom to rectify this.

onikuwagata