Can't wait until someone confronts him with proof that there is no rape in the game. lol

WHAT A TOOL.

Tons Of Fun

"from killing to raping to drugs to foul language to political corruption and racism." Kids exposed to this sort of thing, Dobson says, "some of them, especially those that come from dysfunctional families, go out and do things that are reprehensible.""

If anyone is stupid enough, to actually go out, and commit a crime. Or repeat an action, that they saw in a video game. They do not deserve to be playing. And deserve jail or worse.
MEDIA: stop blaming games for peoples stupidity and ignorance. Blame the parents if you want. Because obviously, these people were not raised with common sense.

Blaming video games for a person(s) crime, has as much of a leg to stand on as blaming wrestling for the amount of homosexuality in this country. Big muscular guys, in TIGHTS, hugging each other croth to ass, tumbling around and rolling on the ground.
Clearly I should go out and start a petition to have wrestling removed from states who find gay marriage to be illegal, using the wrestling theory.... clearly

Media grow the F*CK UP! Id ask that of politians but we know that is way beyond their grasp. They would just go blame something else... like kittens, or the Middle East.

moe84

@DoubleV:

"Oops, did I say that?"

He reaches about the evils media and video games push on the kids, and then he acts all innocent, as if it is his right to say something like that to the woman? He ignores freedom of speech an d creation when he dislikes what they portray, but he can do that? What a fucking hypocrite! I fucking hate him!

TheMagnificen7

Anyone who listens to any of these news personalities, is a mindless zombie that deserves a cameo in the next RE.

EnigmaNemesis

@DoubleV: Glen Beck is a hypocritical ass hat.

mruler360

Oh brother...

NoBullet

I can't believe I listened to those ignorant windbags for eight minutes and thirty six seconds. Why are these people even allowed on TV anymore?

mruler360

Dear Glenn,

Your corruption of family value is right here:

+ Watch video

DoubleV

@Madnoir:

No, in all his glorious knowledge, he is referring to GTA. He didn't say video game, just video. In the same sense, they also messed up Tila Tequila, referring to her as terquilra Tequila. Idiots.

TheMagnificen7

Niko is quite the moral character that just has to do really shitty things. You can always tell he feels bad for what he does, so this guy can blow me.

technical_ta

I think it's ironic that these same people are the ones who end up caught being hypocrites in real life.

Frankly saying "kids are buying it" without also pointing out that kids buy/obtain drink, ciggies, drugs, porn and anything else they're forbidden to have is a huge reason to eject this joke off the planet.

We should be making kids more responsible and understanding not filling them with lies and fears so they end up learning from harsh mistakes they can never admit to their parents.

Jelster

What's with the constant barrage of false claims? Last I checked defamation was illegal.

Wolfers

@Gouki4u: *Tips Hat* I aim to please. :D

Neo_Deus

Seriously...Is this guy crazy? Like actual mentalist crazy where they should be locked up in an asylum?

Woylez

If anything it preaches AGAINST rape. There was never a scene in the game where a girl was forced against her will sexually. Hell one druggie offered Niko sex and he asks what the hell is wrong with her. If you're going to call the game out provide some evidence. Oh wait, politics doesn't need evidence support anything. As long as you speak confidently it must be right!

tshack

I wish they had real conservatives on TV, not these clowns who try to take on anything they deem morally offensive just to get more air time and higher ratings. Also, Neo-conservatives fail hard. As a libertarian that leans to the right a little, this embarasses the shit out of me that some might associate real conservatism with these douches.

I_Hate_This_Place

@Kanti_V2: I'm conservative. If it isn't okay to judge people based on what they're born with (race, gender, sexual preference) how is it okay to make fun of them for their choices? Being conservative isn't what you think it is, and don't lump us all into one category.

I have a talkshow for you. It's called Intelligent Agenda on a station called PLR in Liberty City... I think the hosts words fit your style, "This is a show where we, laugh at lots of conservatives and call them repressed."

Garro

Glenn Beck is a idiot in my book.He said just last week video game fans that write on blogs are losers??

enewtabie

Eventually all the commotion about the "horrible" things in video games will go away, just like in the early ages of cinema when films like Psycho had to avoid showing nudity at all. We just have to deal with it until that time. And the sad thing for you all fanboys, is that the Wii is helping get the gaming market past this hurdle, mainly because people who have never played games finding understand these "weird contraptions".

And we also got people like Crecente's dad playing GTA4 and understanding it, so I think we are heading in the right direction.

Itri

"the new video that's out, supposedly for kids" that features "every form of evil and violence, from killing to raping to drugs to foul language to political corruption and racism."

What video is he talking about? The News?

Madnoir

Consider my face fully and completely palmed.

ShaggE

@okenny :):

I'd rather we have an epic flame war over this than a PR guy saying the oppisite console is bullshit.

Jac21

Dear Misinformed Politicians,

The entrance fee for GTA4 is $59.99 + tax. It is rated M, and most stores ask you for ID to sell you the game even if you appear over 18.

The entrance fee for a movie is $5-$10. Movies are Rated R, but it is much easier to obtain a R ticket than buying an M game.

Let's do a quick comparison, shall we?

Gore:
R Movies: Extreme Amounts of a realistic and graphic nature
GTA 4: Blood violence, but not as gorey. 3D, obviously fake looking characters.

Drugs
Both

Crime
Both

Sexuality
Both

Rape?
ONLY THE MOVIES AND NOT GTA 4.

Why are there no "calling all parents!" for R rated movies, but for this game? Why are you so obsessed with GTA?

Because it's something you do not understand, and that scares you, as well as makes an easy target to preach on your pedestal.

There are things out there that matter a lot more than GTA 4, and it only demonstrates that the media and it's guests no longer feel the need research anything they critique or call to question.

Which is a damn shame.

karasu is my homeboy

@ShirtGuyDom: Oh, I feel like I have to say I'm embarrassed by having to share first names with this fucker. Though, mine is spelled with one "n," so I guess it's not that bad...

ShirtGuyDom

Haha, Glen Beck. A former alcoholic that appeals to the "common man". thanks CNN, you really know how to pick them.

ForrestWhitakersLazyEye

Hold the fuck on. These guys are screamin' and hollerin' about how ineffective the government is (which I don't necessarily disagree with), and asking "When is there going to be a candidate who will say they'll stay out of our (the families') way?"

They're going on and on about how the system is backwards and upside down and is working against the family.

And they feel like they can step in and make it all better? Who the hell are they? How would they be any better at teaching anything to anybody than the government is?

I mean, what the hell? Do these guys not see how much like politicians they are? "You give us the power and influence, and we'll make it all better!"

Piss off! If a parent is too stupid and too negligent to pay attention to their own children, what makes these people think the parents will listen to them?

ShirtGuyDom

@Neo_Deus: I came here to make sure someone referenced this, and was not disappointed.

Gouki4u

Reminds me of something Jon Stewart recently said about Glenn Beck:

"Wow. This guy..... has a show."

Zeliard

@LittleBigPlaneteer: Do people still care about these kind of stories enough to get worked up into a uni-polar epic flame war comment thread? I'd doubt that. I appreciate the fact that Kotaku keeps us well-informed on their occurrence though. I just remembered how I got worked up over the Mass Effect story, I lost sleep. I never thought a game-related story could do that to me. Now I hear this and I realized that I've developed coping mechanisms which means I was probably damaged inside :(

okenny :)

Maybe Glenn should first get rid of his hardcore school gym coach haircut before calling someone else a loser.

Monstercloud

Man, conservatives are just so messed up. Their whole culture war is pathetic, all that personal repression just leads to the way they project personal demons on to anything and everything they see. If they're homosexual, you can bet they're convinced gays are plotting everywhere, if they're a pedophile (not to conflate the two) then they see perverts lurking after everyones children. And we can assume from this that Dobson really gets off on rape.

But the big laugh line is that he says video games are exposing children to political corruption, when he is sitting, right there, while he is saying it, trying to corrupt the government into following evangelical dogma (which involves giving lost of money to evangelicals).

You sure have to hand it to right wing media, no one else could away with believing their viewers were this stupid.

Kanti_V2

@DaveyPwnckett:

Ha ha, nice buddy! So true!

TheMagnificen7

And where the hell are the kids getting the money for games? I suppose from mommy and daddy--give it a fucking rest already, parents need to step it up and retailers need to step it up as well.

This is just a bunch of ultra-conservative bull shit.

The GameStop I worked at carded every single fucker who laid hands on a M-rated game, even if the person was 40. We even asked a parent if she (always moms) was sure if she wanted the kid to play the game. Most of the time, parents were so fucking out of the loop that they didn't give a damn and paid for the game anyway.

This stuff is so fucking annoying. Oh yes, because video games are going to cause the next VA Tech shooting. Give me a damn break.

Lainface

The only rape in GTAIV is online when you spawn by someone and get headshotted before you can do anything lol.

DaveyPwnckett

Oh man, I've had it. Between Glenn Beck and Nancy Grace, American journalism is doomed. It seems to me he wants to be an ultra capitalist, but he would probably fall flat on his fat face if that system existed in the States. He knows nothing of reality, and he doesn't know anything about America's problems. His guest was also a massive, southern, idiotic douche bag. He does no research. "No I haven't seen that one, but I've seen enough to make me sick." My god, that makes no sense. I hate these idiots. Teach us Glenn, teach us.

TheMagnificen7

I think the most hilarious part of the video is when Dobson starts implying that Ted Bundy became the murderous maniac he was simply because he was into pornography at 13. Yes I'm sure 90% of boys out there will be just like Ted Bundy

LittleBigPlaneteer

What's there to be said about this anymore? It's wholesale ignorance. Even worse that they refuse to do any sort of research. God help us if they actually played GTA and some how discerned all these things...

I never playd a GTA game till 4, and I was blown away by the social satire. It's like a cynical South Park, and I rarely see any recognition for that.

I can't stop laughing at Intelligent Agenda on PLR. Or Just or Unjust. Or the pharmacudical bit. Or republican space rangers... Well, all of it.

Garro

Since kids are buying it even though it is not being marketed to kids doesn't that say more about kids than it does about the game?

Triple07

Oh and in a more political light, family doesn't mean shit, never has and never will. Why? Because it should never be other's families you're worried about.

This whole "family" bullshit is something radical right-wingers like to sling around to get trailer-trash retards to vote.

Delano_J

I like how he places "rape" with "political corruption" and yet he's a staunch defender of what could be considered one of our more corrupt administrations.

This guy needs to take a long walk off a short pier. He's just saying this stuff to get ratings.

DaveKap

Maybe if you have (what can be assumed to be)sex with Michelle after a night of drinking and still stumbling....hmmmmmmmmmm

thats realllllly grasping at straws

stephenzerotwo

Wow. Like this hasn't had the interest raped (OMG NO WAI RAPE) out of it a couple years ago.

Haniko

Yeah I'm pretty sure GTA IV parodies all of those things.

ShirtGuyDom

Glenn Beck is lying sack of shit. Plain and simple he needs to be removed from journalism and the media.

Delano_J

If it's not virtual orgasmic rape, I'm not interested.

Neo_Deus

How are kids buying a game that is rated M and requires an adult to purchase?

noodles90

Not another, maybe Beck should lose that double chin before he starts talking about whats healthy and whats not.

Lamburger Helper

Oh god, the backlash on this is going to be epic.

LittleBigPlaneteer

you know this is getting old...

Grey Gecko

I am not going to watch it but just seeing that it has "Rape" We can already tell that these people are dumbasses.

.... wait, This game has Racism?

StealthMaster86

@Ess: @Ess: So Dobson is an idiot and stupid for believing what, exactly? That rape is bad? That stylized depictions of rape are bad? That interactive stylized depictions of rape are bad? That there is no rape in GTA? That people are affected (whether positively or negatively) by the games they play?

Oh, wait, this is the internet. It's totally cool to hate on conservative Christians no matter their stance on anything, while everyone else gets a free pass.

If people can be emotionally moved by games (like when Aeris dies and nothing you can do can stop Cloud from killing her), then is it hard to believe that they can be negatively affected by games as well?

I'm not saying that GTA causes people to go out and steal, murder, rape, or anything else, but I find it naive to think that people will be unaffected by playing it.

As a side note, why are people shocked that the head/founder of a huge Christian non-profit organization is critical of GTA? That's like being shocked at the founder of PETA's opinion of a Deer Hunter game.

DrWyrm

Glenn Beck is a fraud. I don't think anyone who watches TV takes him seriously.

baccardi84

I don't know where to turn for in-depth news anymore. BBC.co.uk fucked up big time about two weeks ago, now this douchery in CNN; Bill-o is leading his dwarves on FOX; I am a lost sheep.

I could look at an exclusive coverage or a excerpt report on a topic that I have no knowledge about and be totally baited. I know if I was a parent and had no clue about the reality of gaming, I would have been keen to these "spokesperson".

Fyren

Have any of these people seen a Buggs Bunny cartoon? Or the Road Runner? If there are people on this site that are too young to remember, go to YouTube and check it out.

That is about as violent as it get's. And they always live through it! AKA: respawn

homernoy

*sigh* I have friends who live in Colorado Springs. I keep telling them to move up with the slightly saner people in Denver and away from the Dobson reality distortion.

Someone, SOMEONE!, needs to make an accurate Bible game, especially the Old Testament with all the rape, murder, sex, incest and violence fully rendered in HD. Make sure that sucker gets an AO rating (not hard to do) even if you make it for the consoles. Watch peoples' heads explode.

Beelzebozo

Rockstar Take-Two please for the love of all things holy (including your game) please sue these idiots for libel or slander (whichever one these lies fall under).

Father-Time

@DaveyPwnckett: Wait...that was you?

BlazinNoni

Let's face it. Video games are newborns in the world of mainstream media and culture. 10 years ago you wouldn't see jokes about games in SNL or Conan O'Brien. Maybe not even 5 years ago. The thing is, porn, movies, music, television and books have all been around a lot longer than video games. They are an easy target and politicians know that silly voters will listen to these claims and back them. Games are still babies and don't have the backing to deflect the attacks.

It took other forms of media a long time to be "accepted" and attacked less. Soon, video games will feature as much alien side-boob and car theft as they want. Maybe it'll even be viewed as artistic.

Spaceboy

"every form of evil and violence, from killing to raping to drugs to foul language to political corruption and racism"

Sounds suspiciously like real life. What is this magical universe?!

Maleficence

@Red_Maniac: The problem occurs when we turn to news channels for entertainment and thrills, not information. People listen to this guy because he's on CNN so he's gotta know what he's talking about, right? If his show were more accurately called "The Ignorant Media Whore Rant Hour" it would get the credibility and audience it deserves.

radiomouse

Oh, and also, whenever Grand Theft Auto IV is mentioned ANYWHERE on television, they ONLY mention the violence because they don't know a fucking thing about the game itself. The violence itself isn't what makes the game so good. But it's a staple of the GTA series. You can have a GTA game with the same basic gameplay but less violence, and it could still be a good game... but it wouldn't be the same without the violence. It's like having Glenn Beck's show... without Glenn Beck. Just footage of his empty studio. It can still potentially be a good show, but it wouldn't be the same without Glenn Beck spouting out made up crap for an hour (or for however long his show is).

Red_Maniac

My question is, why aren't either of these guys wearing U.S. flag lapel pins? Obviously they hate America and should be sent back to France via catapult immediately. And if someone hates America as much as these two clearly do, I don't have to pay one scrap of attention to their deranged rantings.

By the transitive property of cable-news-douchebags, this then means that playing GTAIV is every right thinking, true blue American's patriotic duty. Semper Fi and God bless Rockstar Games!

the-hypnotoad

HOORAY FOR IGNORANCE!!!

yanipheonu

God, I just absolutely hate it when the media lashes out on a game that they know NOTHING about. I remember Glenn Beck saying something about "gamers building replicas of the Starship Enterprise in their mother's garage" or some crap like that. He has yet to have an ACTUAL GAMER defend GTA4 and the gaming community on his show. He did have an author of "Grand Theft Childhood" on his show, but he acted like a total ASS to her.

And in the end, it's not games, TV, movies etc. that are making people more violent or whatever the hell they're saying. It's the PERSON. The media's giving the wrong idea about GTA4 and video games and gamers in general to millions of people (See: Fox News/Mass Effect), and they won't even give gamers a chance to defend themselves. I mean, Glenn Beck had JACK FREAKING THOMPSON as a guest to discuss GTA4. That's like having Uwe Boll on someone's show to discuss the new Indiana Jones movie. Glenn Beck must have been like, "Oh, this guy hates Grand Theft Auto! I know nothing about his reputation, but I'll invite him to the show anyway!"

And it's not games, TV or movies that are destroying society: it's 24 hour news channels that are.

Red_Maniac

The arguement is NOT "There is no rape in GTA IV."

It is "There is no rape in GTA IV, and even if there was, so what? As long as a game didn't condone rape (same goes for books, music, and movies) what's the problem? Why can't mature rated games deal with mature themes?"

They did this with Mass Effect. They said Mass Effect has nudity and explicit sex. Everyone came to ME's defense and said, no nudity, tastefully done, just a cut scene.

That is wrong. It implies that the objection would be OK if there was nudity or interactivity.

The response has to be that idiots like Dobson are both stupid AND wrong.

Ess

Can I get a promise from my fellow gamers that we won't turn out to be as backwards as these asshats that are supposedly looking out for America's morality?

ZenGaijin

After all the other stories, I really couldn't care less at this point. People are going to be narrow-minded retards. That's that.

Samos42

@DoubleV: let's take it to fox news! perhaps they can blow it out of proportion and get him marked as a pornographic, sex-mongering, orgasmic rape monkey! i think we've got a shot? am i wrong?

H0PLITE

@karasu is my homeboy: Exactly. The reason videogames are such magnets for cultural fear-mongers is that it's entrenched in the idea that it's part of "youth culture", and because of that will never try one. They have no problem with movies because they can appreciate a good movie and see the value in the medium. These guys are on the outside looking in, so of course they don't see the depth of narrative or the way games can act as art. As the industry opens up and begins drawing in a larger audience, this kind of shenanigans should start to fall off; until the next medium comes along and gets them pissed.

@Garro: Wait, seriously? Might have something to do with the fact that you can control one of those things.

radiomouse

thats why theres an M rating cuz its for kids

TheNocturnalSun

FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM!

Chief2BeaR

@LittleBigPlaneteer:

One would think being raised by his grandparents as their son with his birth mother as his older sister would screw him up more. Add in the rumors of incest of his mother by her violent abusive father.

Also the claim about pornography leading Bundy to kill is pure and utter crap. The man couldn't describe a single piece of pornography he had seen it was an execution delaying tactic.

Yetanotheruninspiredscreename

@Delano_J: @
*cough* Jack still on the loose?

kjcwashere

call me when it has virtual orgasmic rape.

SAGA

wait, wasnt it just a few months ago that glenn was on his death bed? are his ratings so poor that his politically driven talk show is taking shots at video games? well, whatever gets the talking heads paid i guess. without them all wed have would be virtual talking heads in our video games to pacify our plummeting intellect. Thanks Glennie!

bl0ven

@StealthMaster86: Patrick McReary uses several ethnic slurs in cutscenes, including the use of "the N word".
Stupid people will take this as racism by the developers in the same way that stupid people think Martin Scorsese is racist because he writes racist characters.
Glenn Beck has provided a great many laughs for me over the past few weeks. I hope he reaches the level of popularity of Jack Thompson.
He's like the real life equivalent of Richard Bastion from WKTT.

VBerg

"the new video that's out, supposedly for kids" that features "every form of evil and violence, from killing to raping to drugs to foul language to political corruption and racism." Kids exposed to this sort of thing, Dobson says, "some of them, especially those that come from dysfunctional families, go out and do things that are reprehensible."

Kids being exposed to reality. What a tragedy.

MisterFeeny

I got three words for you people. "Amazon" and "Book Rating." Get to work boys!

WhoreofSpamylon

Yup, its all because of those damn video games! 'd>_>b
Geez...As if they wouldn't exist, we would live in a perfect world of harmony, piece and love.

This is getting old, cant they find some other scapegoat already? How about getting back on blaming communism for everything bad?

neojam

@LosDaddie:
When have they EVER been fair?

Red_Maniac

I don't know if Take Two gives a crap but couldn't they sue for libel/slander since the game does not have the content these idiots claim?

mitch079

goddamn politicians.

Grimmjow Jeagerjaques

Despite the fact these two are erroneous specifically regarding GTA IV's content (though much of what they speak of is in fact in it), give them some credit. When was attempting to stick up for the sanctity of the family unit, even if being GTA ignormauses, considered a bad thing? A lot of kids would most definitely give up their copy of GTA IV for a loving and present mother and father. We should be correcting their gaming knowledge miscues yes but commending their motives nonetheless.

voltron88x

YES KOTAKU!! Stand up and ask! I will do so too! These idiots drive me crazy. They are a example of extremism.

Xcite79

He Is Right You Know
Have We Forgotten When The Charlston Brought Down America...All Those Swiviling Hips...The Humanity!!!!!

hk458

Well played Michael McWhertor, this thread will easily gather attention away from thegayergamer thread...

i'll add:
GTAIv not made for kids

it's affect on society is impossible to analyze because it itself is a product of the society and it's popularity influences said society as it is, itself, influenced by.... yada heisenberg.... yada...

going home...

Ehardergardens

@Red_Maniac: Good point, R.Maniac.

It's a darn shame conservatives don't want to be fair on the GTA IV issue, especially Beck.

LosDaddie

It's so sad watching this, because so many people spent time and effort for years just to bring this game to us.

If Glenn Beck wants things to be fair (which he doesn't) then he would invite a Rockstar Games developer on his show to defend Grand Theft Auto IV.

Red_Maniac

Ah...conservatives and conservative pundits...eternally on the wrong side of the issue(s).

People must be masochists to listen & watch them daily.

LosDaddie

you mean there's NOT rape in this game?

damn, and I've spent all this time dragging Kate to bars and then secluded alleys to get my virtual date rape on.

fuck this, I'm returning it.

kromekoran

@d1sCo_d3aTh:

Yes, you're certainly going to last here long. "Oh no, I got proven wrong since I have RIDICULOUSLY STRONG POLITICAL BIAS, so therefore I'm going to be a huge fucking hypocrite by saying u r liberalz lol!!!11"

StillLee

Glenn Beck has said the stupidest things. Nudity in GTAIV? Uh oh, Some ultra religious ignorant arrogant conservative with a BIG mouth didn't do his research, tsk tsk. "The birth of our Lord!" and the talking Snake? "Bloggers are losers!" Look at my smug face! I'm above everyone! I know what's right and wrong. My values are all that matter. You're all beneath me, GOD IS GREAT! ROAAAAR!!!

"video gamers" haha it's 1982! where's pac-man? when are these out of touch old farts gonna move aside and let the modern people take over. go back to the 1950s glen beck! you live in a fucking vacuum. A bubble! glen becks world. I can't wait till they get this guy in a bathroom stall having gay sex or on child porn charges, like all conservatives end up

The world is changing fast becky baby. Gaming is bigger than movies. Everything is downloaded and those that don't play video games or go online. Are being left behind. You're becoming obsolete Glenn Beck, outdated. This isn't gonna be your world anymore. It's gonna be ours!

Orionsaint

He is just blowing smoke out of his ass. He does not care for the "American Family". He only wants ratings for a show that probable gets less then a million people watching. He is what I call him an "Alarmist" he is making an issue out of nothing. He only wants to be seen and some what heard. His actions and facts does not add up. Others on CNN saw through the crap he is saying and realize it is the PARENTS responsibility to raise their not a video game console.

Plus his arguments about video games destroying America has been used to try to get rid of: Rock & Roll Music, Elvis(really his hips look it up), The Beatles(They did Drugs), The Doors(more drugs), comic books, movies, the internet, porn, Rap Music, Heavy Metal, Gay Rights, Civil Rights, Woman's Lib, abortion, contraceptives, interracial marriages,I could go on but you get the point. His arguments are old and has been used as a tactic of fear mongering. He wants to make America afraid of video games and he is losing great grounds everyday.

outofmind23

@sandwiches: How is what you just said any different from the Ayatollah Khomeini putting a fatwa on Salman Rushdie because of what he wrote? Or is wanting someone to kill conservatives somehow okay with how you view the world?

DrWyrm

Haha, and the liberal defense force just comes crawling out of the wood work....

d1sCo_d3aTh

There's these things called parental controls on the PS3, PSP, 360 and Wii. There's nothing worse than uninformed people spreading false claims. Be a good parent, problem solved.

Wolfers

I think Matt Stone and Trey Parker need to do an elaborate South Park episode on these media morons. You put a video camera in front of any ol' retard and they think they own the whole god damned world.

Xiel

@sandwiches: Lol right....I'm sure you have sat down and listened to one of Beck's or Dobson's shows....Both of them are brilliant and have very successful careers. But just like most of the mainstream they know nothing about games.

d1sCo_d3aTh

@d1sCo_d3aTh:

So, not liking it when self proclaimed 'moral crusaders' lie out their asses in the name of spreading 'morality' means you have liberal bias? I'm just trying to uphold one of the 10 Commandments, thou shalt not bear false witness. I guess that's REALLY liberal.

I guess that means you think lying is a cherished conservative value. You sound like a very classy person.

Cattleprod

@d1sCo_d3aTh: How can you defend anything that Beck or Dobson have said?

Zeliard

@LosDaddie:

Wow, what an incredibly intelligent and backed up argument. Strait to the point and no substance or points to argue against. Good show! Do you have a book or a periodical i may subscribe to so that i can blindly follow your views?

Misquito

Abandoning clever sarcasm for the moment... Self-interested scum like Beck and Dobson are a far more real and greater threat to society than a thousands GTAs. And even though I don't actually play GTA, can you believe I wouldn't care one shit if someone put bullets in their perverted heads.

sandwiches

Sigh.....I love how blatantly liberal this website is....

d1sCo_d3aTh

Couldn't Rockstar do anything about any of this? Isn't it literally defamation? In that other Glenn Beck video that's linked here, Beck claims at one point that you can chainsaw policemen in half. Not only is there not a chainsaw at all in the game, but bodies always stay intact as far as actual deformation or removal of body parts.

Isn't there some legal ground here for Rockstar to go on as far as defamation/slander? It's some pretty egregious shit.

Zeliard

Just in-case no one noticed my comment (it was thoughtful and didn't capitalise or shout anything!)
but:
**There is rape in Gta4**
A gun gets shoved up someones ass against their will.
Get on this guys ass for lying (aimed at kids); but don't immediately assume he made everything up without - you know - checking your own facts.

MeateaW

@kromekoran: I thought it was just me, but as hard as I try I CAN NOT get Kate into bed.
What a prude. :D
@MeateaW: I'm 70% through the North-American version and I haven't seen anything of the sort. I could be wrong, but I think that was made up all along.

VBerg

They fear too much but I did agree that a stronger family breeds a better child. That is if both parents are involved in their child's life. If you really just let your child run amok with no boundaries or don't talk to them about the tough stuff. Explain to them why something is wrong rather than assume they understand. We might have less of those shout-y kids that we have on xblive granted kids are generally more competitive than someone older thus are more aggressive but even when I was in my aggressive competitive stage I never cursed someone out and told them to eff themselves when I lost.

ninjikiran

Why do they put idiots on TV?

Albanian_Killa

Guys I love bashing game-bashers as much as the next game-fanboy. But: sticking a gun up someones ass without their consent is rape. (the scene removed from the Australian version of GTA4).

So like; the guy is a moron for thinking it's sold to kids (just wish some journalists would perform some real, you know, journalism).

But the rape call; totally legit sorry.

MeateaW

Penn & Teller BS Family Values

+ Watch video

Orionsaint

@MeateaW: Didn't they remove that? I've beaten all the missions in the game, and I didn't see rape.. like, at all.

Voteforme2020

The irony for me is this....

Preach to us (the unclean masses) about how horrible society has made things. has ruined the family 'culture'.

However, when our youth turn 18 (with or without a GED), turn them loose in another country with a rifle, heavy weapon, etc. and let them blow away our enemies. It's not ok to play a game but if you wanna do it in real life then it's ok. God sanctions war but not video games, etc.

RavMan

Discussing something with the leader of a hate group doesn't exactly give him legitimacy in my eyes, anyway.

Zunnoab

@StealthMaster86: Yeah the N word gets tossed around and I was called some nasty things in the last mission.

mferrari

@noodles90:

Because not necessarily all stores check ID. It's in no way illegal to sell M rated games to minors.

Kovitlac

Well I guess the days when Glenn Beck used to be funny and talk about the stupidity in society are gone. That was when he was just local here in Tampa, FL. Now he's national so he has to tackle these "tough issues". I listened to him up until earlier this year, but now that he has gone on this crazed "protecting our family" streak he's lost a listener in me.

CFStang

It's sad that theres probably only like 3 people who read thru this and realize how ironic it is all the people bashing beck are when, not knowing anything about the guy but what they read here, they accuse him of not knowing the facts.

Anybody know the context of the "loser" comment? Anyone hear him say anything about his show being anything but opinion? Anyone.... Anyone?

Kandralla

seeing most responses to my comments; it sounds like they may have removed the gun-in-arse scene.

(But a google trying to find actual substatiated comment about this only finds people complaining about it getting cut from the Australian release)

I don't know the full details about the scene (there's no more information other than people complaining about its supposed cut).

I can't tell you if it is in the game or not. (only that it was widely reported - included here at kotaku that it would be in all versions other than the Australian release).

I guess the game-players are the only people that know. So maybe I retract my comments :)

MeateaW

@MeateaW:

I've completed the game's storyline, and have racked up about 60 hours, I'm at about 80% complete, and am yet to see something even remotely resembling such a scene.

When that thing came out prior to the game's release claiming this was in the game, Take-2 denied it and so far it seems rightly so.

GregoriusH

@BlazinNoni: hmmm maybe lol

DaveyPwnckett

Let's face it, there's about a thousand different news voices out there now, and the ones that stand out are the ones that say stupid and offensive stuff like this. We're giving Mr. Beck exactly what he wants by freaking out over what he says.
The second they try and actually take my game away (instead of just complaining about it) then I'm sure he'll see a bit of video-game inspired violence.

CmdrKeen1982

@DrWyrm: Read again, DrWyrm. I never called for their deaths or even said I wished them dead. I simply said I wouldn't care. And when did I ever mentioned "conservatives"?

sandwiches

Man no virtual orgasmic rape? No buy from me then, unless you torch some orphanages or something.

SkutSkut

I pity the fools.

Zodduska

Oh noez! I, Glen Beck, and that other guy have something in common: Haven't played GTA4 yet. Damn you, Nintendo hype machine! Heroes 2 doesn't even touch..

Space_Cakes

Maybe Pyramid Head is an unlockable and we just don't know it.

YUYU

@sandwiches: What did you mean by "scum like Beck and Dobson," then? People on TV? Or people who share some/all of their views? People who don't like GTA 4?

Please, be more specific.

DrWyrm

@Neo_Deus: Here here! I like my rape virtual AND orgasmic. All others be damned!

Sundermania

so.... i didn't watch it til the end. did those two end up making out or what?

i find the idea of having guests on your show for the sole purpose of you both saying the same thing and agreeing with each other over and over a little redundant.

Rendo

See that little symbol Glenn Beck symbol in the bottom right? It's a warning for his radiating stupidity.

AppleSalsa

Well, I totally agree that the government should not be making decisions for us, and that we are definitely overtaxed. I do not understand how this view correlates with the idea that government should regulate the video game industry. Why can't people just agree on one thing? Government needs to shrink, not grow, and then it needs to die.

SageofAnacostia

If this jerk-off hasn't played GTA4 to see everything for himself -- then shut the fuck-up! End of story.

The game is not THAT bad. There's NO Rape in this game. Niko has to be "invited" into his girlfriends apartment. Jesus, all this fuse over a game that will be yesterdays news by the end of the summer. Get OVER IT.

jamBot

Parents play GTA with your kids. Bing, bam, family situation resolved!

yuutokun

GTA:IV doesnt make me want to kill people...

...watching Glenn Beck be ignorant does!

TheExiledLeader

I'm holding out for hot, shiny plastic minifig rape in LEGO Grand Theft Auto, personally.

gblock

That old fart didn't even know what to call GTA, let alone the name of the game. "Did you see that new video?" STFU you fossil!

Orionsaint

I already knew Glen Beck was a dumb ass way before GTA came out, but this further proves it.

Karazzin

I love how their is a war going on, people in asia are really needing help and this baby boomer chooses to talk about a fucking video game

phaydee

@DrWyrm: Look, in my original comment I said: "Self-interested scum", not "self-interested CONSERVATIVE scum". These guys are out to make a buck, plain and simple, and they also happen to be conservative. If it were actually profitable to be a liberal mouthpiece these days, they'd jump ship in a heartbeat.

sandwiches

My dad watches Glenn Beck. He is a pompous ass who thinks only his opinion matters. I hate him even more after reading this story.

mikeko10

I love these people who like hearing the sound of their own voice. It reminds me that I'm not the dumbest person walking this earth.

Agnostic

aw, isn't that cute.... Jack Thompson finally has some playmates. I just hope they don't start multiplying like media gremlins.

timekeeper402

The more Beck continues on about GTA IV, the dumber it makes him look.

Wubbytoes

Hmm, but Dobson's Focus on the Family colleague Ted "Rev" Haggard lived the GTA4 lifestyle! (But don't worry, Dobson personally 'counseled' Mr. Haggard after his confessions.)

'Rev: Pulled up to a curb and honked with L3, getting a (male) prostitute. ("Mmm.. now -that's- what I call a Soul Pole!" *rythmic squeaking of car springs*)

'Rev: Bought and used drugs (meth specifically)

'Rev: Wantonly ran over hookers, adulterers, liberals and other degenerates with his Patriot.

Well, 2/3 is still pretty good...

The first downloadable mission for the 360 will have a repeatable mission where one madlibs sermons villifying one's own lifestyle so you can spend your congregation's money on meth and gay sex. The higher your hyprocrisy score the more donations you get.

[www.denverpost.com]

Zeus

@DrWyrm: Well put.
@sandwiches: I don't know about Glen, but you are wrong to think that Dr. Dobson is "self-interested." One thing I think we can all agree on (whether they really care about society or not) is that there are quite a few people out there that are ill informed.

smashbruvah

@Orionsaint: @Orionsaint: First we get ignorant comments from people on T.V. Then we get ignorant comments about those ignorant comments. Will it end.

smashbruvah

Pfffffft rape, that's nothing. MGS4 has implied child rape.

Gambia

There will never be a time when people can accept responsibility for their own actions is there? It makes me shed a tear that we will forever have this kind of crap going on...or at least until we take over and govern the world as it should be. By gamers. :P

Word Man

lol this video is funny. It's basically watching old people grasping to their old lives.

Cartman86

If kids are buying this game despite the rating and the laws in place, chances are the family was fucked up long before GTA IV came into the picture.

I bet Beck had his car stolen by a drug-dealing hooker rapist and he's just being bitter.

Garonyldas

Ok, I just have to ask. There is so much online footage of various TV-show hosts talking into the camera, pushing their opinions onto the public. It feels like every time someone badmouths a game on US national TV it's a guy I haven't seen before. How many people have their own TV-shows where they just give their not-so-humble advice viewers who can't think for themselves?.

Pinhead

@Pinhead:

Too many, and there is that much more couch zombies to suck their shit up.

EnigmaNemesis

Here's an even lesser known fact. GTA IV will crawl out of the console you're using and will rape you and your family while you sleep.

Just a FYI Glenn Beck.

deviantCharles

Holy fuck man. You know what degrades families? Economic hardships. Lack of health insurance. Lack of proper education. I can go on and on. Pointing a finger of blame to a game that he hasn't even played is pretty mindless, baseless and ultimately sad.

Lets harp on a fucking game when a family of four is getting thrown out of their house for falling behind on their mortgage. Lets talk about a game over and over and over when we have soldiers in the middle east who show no signs of ever coming home. When families have to decide between either buying groceries this week or filling up their gas tanks. Fucking GTA IV, MTV...scapegoats of the real issues.

Man, do these people realize how short life really is?! Your time on this planet is nothing. NOTHING!! So these conservative pundits waste time and energy blasting various facets of the entertainment industry?! I mean really after awhile the words just escape and all you can do is just sigh.

scaught78

Please stop posting this kind of garbage. Glenn Beck is a fucking douchebag who has no concept on what having fun is.

Kempatsu

It seems we have new contributors to the book How To Lose Friends And Alienate People, oy. With current ones being any Right-Wing imperialist you can think of.

Tye-The-Czar

@scaught78:

/agree

EnigmaNemesis

He forgot to warn parents about their daughters, husbands about their wife's and guys about their girlfriends.. Sexist! He he.. I don't know where to start on this guy.. When I watch videos like this regarding video games- like the ones that was about Mass effect when it was released- about the sex scene there..
If this guy actually sat down and played GTA4 himself he would have missed the irony of the game. There is no saving guys like this who is born with a hatred for video and computer games, for reasons unknown. I don't know, maybe his mother didn't love him.
What about the fact that you can buy a gun or weapon on "every" street corner in USA.. Could that have something to do with the murder and crime rates there? Did he think about the fact that people like him makes people want to kill? Because I feel a massive urge to go out and do something to get out the hatred that HE made me feel for him. The anger and depression that HE created for being such a idiot!
Ofc he didn't blame it all on the gaming industry.. No no.. the whole pop culture. Why didn't he blame it on the pentagon who "obviously" invented the grandfather of video games. Shame on the pentagon!

and where can i find the chainsaw??

Mizuki

I don't want to be fair to James Dobson... but... to be fair: I'm pretty sure he says this exact same kind of bullshit about movies and music on a weekly -- if not daily -- basis. I mean, he's Dr. James Dobson.

That said, I'm sick and tired of people like him making Christians look ignorant. He gives atheists too many reasons to point fingers and make fun of Christians for being stupid, and that, in turn, makes me, as an atheist, look bad.

But he is being totally ignorant. He's ignoring the fact that the game is marketed to adults. He's ignoring the stats which clearly show that fewer M-rated games are landing in the hands of children. He's ignoring the actual content of the game.

Honestly, I'm jealous of the man. I wish I could get paid to go on national television, say things that are bat-shit insane, and have millions of people love me for it. No, seriously, I'm unemployed right now. That would be great. Hey, speaking of: why not investigate the link between unemployment, underemployment, overworking, insufficient salaries, and all of this "violent behavior" in children that come from "dysfunctional families?" Why doesn't Dobson speak out against executives and managers who mis-manage companies into the ground, with their only consequence being that they get to ship their diligent workers off to the unemployment line and reap a bigger year-end bonus due to reduced operating costs? Because things like that are a lot more relevant to the social ills Dobson decries. Wake up and catch the point.

BtownDesignGuy

Can't they just go back to hating rock and roll, and leave gaming alone. I am sure Dee Snyder would love the attention!

ChimDeathmonkey

@d1sCo_d3aTh: Sigh.....I love how blatantly fucking retarded you are....

C WUT I DID THAR?

HfAsianInvasion

Look if Beck would have the balls just have him get Adam Sessler on his show. They way Sessler handed Jack Thompson his ass last year on television i say we send his services the way of Glen Beck.

nerotheantihero

Lovely. If "it isn't being sold for kids, but it is, kids are buying it." Then R rated movies are being HANDED to kids, most likely FORCED on them.

Someone doesn't read FTC reports, apparently. (man that's a weird sounding sentence...)

ca$h

thats CNN!!!

MugenNoKaze