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Nintendo's Dunaway: Wii Fit Won't Be Purchased and Forgotten
Posted by Brian Crecente at 3:02 AM on May 23, 2008

I spent the first half of this week hanging out with the likes of Michael Pachter, Peter Moore, Mike Gallagher and Nintendo of America's recently appointed vice president of marketing, Cammie Dunaway at Ziff Davis' Electronic Gaming Summit.
It was the first time I met Dunaway and we ended up chatting quite a bit during a dinner on the last night, hosted at a nearby vineyard, held in a castle of all places.
Dunaway, it turns out, had just flown in from New York where she helped kick off the launch of the Wii Fit in Central Park.
"I'm sure Wii Fit is going to sell very well," I told her, "but I suspect it's going to be like every other piece of exercise equipment people buy for themselves: In a few weeks or a month it's going to have laundry piled on it or be back in its box."
Not so, Dunaway insisted.
"Wii Fit incorporated the magic of video games," she said. "You get ranked, you unlock new levels, you can compete against each other, there's a lot of video game hooks that will help people stay motivated."
The next day, while reiterating our conversation to the summit during her speech, she added that there are also a lot of other exciting things that can be done with the balance board, specifically new games using it as a controller. Games like Namco-Bandai's skiing title or EA's Skate It or Ubi's upcoming Rayman title.
I buy the second argument, I'm not so sure about the first. But it's still a good model: You get people to buy the Balance Board by making people think working out will be fun, even though deep down everyone knows it really isn't, then you start releasing other games using the peripheral, removing the fit from the balance board and emphasizing the fun. It's almost a bait-and-switch, but without the negative connotations.
What I found more fascinating than Dunaway's insistence that Wii Fit, and not just the balance board, would be a game with lasting value, was her explanation of how Shigeru Miyamoto came up with the idea.
The story goes that Miyamoto placed a piece of graph paper on a wall in his house to track his weight and that every day he would plot it. Over time his family started questioning his weight gains and losses. Why did he lose weight on this day? Why did he gain weight on that day? That's when inspiration struck and Miyamoto went into the office and told his developers "Let's create a video game based on weighing yourself."
Can you imagine if anyone other than Miyamoto suggested that?

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tikkimann
Posted 6:34 AM 24/5/08
Are you aware of how else that title reads? It sounds like Dunway tells us that Wii Fit will not be purchased, and will eventually be forgotten as a whole.
Thank goodness you knew better than to put a comma there.
tikkimann
L_K_M
Posted 1:03 AM 24/5/08
@huginn: The Power Glove was not even a Nintendo product to begin with.
L_K_M
L_K_M
Posted 12:44 AM 24/5/08
I bought Wii Fit when it came out over here (about a month ago), and I've played it every day since, some days for almost an hour. Dunno how long I'll keep it up, but so far, it has beaten most other games I've ever played in longevity (seriously, who of you keeps playing the same game every day for more than a month?).
The snowboarding game is a ton of fun, by the way. I really hope somebody takes this idea and runs with it.
L_K_M
Dajmin
Posted 4:39 PM 23/5/08
Developers will be reluctant to make games using the balance board for the same reason there'd be an issue with a Blu-ray player on the 360 - it's not standard equipment so by doing so they are restricting their potential market. And that's not how you make big piles of money.
I think the balance board could be interesting in games, combined with the motion controls. I mean you know skateboarding and dancing games would be fantastic. Unfortunately the current Wii back catalogue isn't filling me with confidence though.
Dajmin
Bidule
Posted 3:21 PM 23/5/08
When the non-gamers will forget about videogames, when they will be tied about Wii, nintendo will turn back to hardcore gamers. Meanwhile they will stick to training the non-brain people who pay so much to play expired games.
They can win a lot of money but they can loose a lot of integrity. Even if they get back to the roots I will be VERY cautious about the next nintendo console system.
Bidule
Thorax
Posted 3:20 PM 23/5/08
They had me until they announced the 90 dollar price tag. Yeah Nintendo, I'll just run on the treadmill.
Thorax
wild homes
Posted 2:11 PM 23/5/08
@megaStryke: Just like my friendsays, you don't make any points by telling me what Nintendo will do in some indeterminate future (which you can't KNOW anyway). And that's all irrelevant anyhow-- your own post conceded Nintendo isn't focusing on the core market right now. I AM THE CORE MARKET. If I feel like Nintendo isn't interested enough to make titles that appeal to me, then I'm out. A very real minority feel as I do, and you act like we're under some obligation to wait it out until Nintendo finish creating this great casual future. Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand that's not how capitalism works. I am going to give my money to someone who MAKES PRODUCTS I WANT TO BUY. Nintendo are doing a good thing for the future of this industry. WE ALL GET THAT. But this isn't a charity. You want my money and my attention? EARN IT.
PS quit spamming that link, please. It's dumb.
wild homes
rdj
Posted 1:30 PM 23/5/08
@Green-clad Gamer Dude: Yet your opinion on someone else's opinion is not wasting my time? I actually have gone through the same thing with my wii tbh; didn't make smash any less fun though.
@megaStryke: "You don't understand", followed by an advertisement is not a debate. That the core audience isn't the focus now proves that..well, the hardcore crowd isn't the focus, which is really the point. You can't credit a company on some hypothetical point in the future, and "imagine what awaits when nintendo deigns to notice me" does not equal a game I can enjoy right now.
rdj
megaStryke
Posted 11:44 AM 23/5/08
@wild homes:
"And that's where you're so wrong-- gamers aren't looking more to Sony and Microsoft and shelving their Wiis or selling them off because they DON'T get it, but rather because they DO get it. Nintendo decided that instead of maintaining their traditional fanbase WHILE AT THE SAME TIME converting nongamers to the fold, they would ignore the people that had been in their corner for years and replace them with Jim and Jane Neu-Gamer."
There's the problem. You still don't get it. You think you do but you don't. They are not ignoring the core audience, they are simply going after the larger market first before working their way upstream. Again:
[malstrom.50webs.com]
Just because the core audience isn't the biggest focus now doesn't mean they won't be given greater thought down the road. In fact, it would be irresponsible to completely ignore a large segment of the market when money can be made. So no, the "hardcore" is not being replaced.
And you still don't get it.
megaStryke
iFlingPoo
Posted 11:06 AM 23/5/08
That's right. I'll be the buff one kicking sand in your face :P
iFlingPoo
iFlingPoo
Posted 11:05 AM 23/5/08
Everyone is just hating on Nintendo because they won the console war. The fact that Wii Fit has nearly sold as many units as the PS3 in Japan should tell you something...
Remember who got you into games in the first place, before your corrupted, vile mind became tainted with the need for games like GTA IV to get you off. Here's a tip, GET A REAL GIRLFRIEND you angsty, douche-tastic, twizzlebites.
Now I'm gonnna do me some Wii Fit so's I look sexy at the beach, losers.
iFlingPoo
ceredonia
Posted 11:03 AM 23/5/08
I'm enjoying my copy of Wii Fit so far, played about an hour to test out all the modes and workouts, and I'm feeling it in my legs tonight at work. I mean, yeah, it's not a replacement for the gym, I'm going to do other things as well, but it's still a nice thing to have at home. The personal trainer is amusing, they encourage you but still yell at you if you don't try at all, hehe. I don't regret the purchase.
ceredonia
JamesR87
Posted 10:17 AM 23/5/08
The brilliant inference with the title is:
"Nintendo's Dunaway: Wii Fit Won't Be Purchased and Forgotten like everything else"
And to be honest, it might make money ... But I hope the developers of these throw away cash cows cry themselves to sleep at night knowing they aren't real games and never will be taken seriously.
JamesR87
SlowDeath420
Posted 9:57 AM 23/5/08
Oh shit son,who care about Wiifit(seriously)its Jeff Green on the left...EATING:)
SlowDeath420
quen
Posted 8:30 AM 23/5/08
@Tonx: You mentioned Brain Age 2. What makes you think there won't be a Wii Fit 2? (I don't think it'll be soon, but in the longer term it seems likely.)
As for the main point - I think the 'game' factors and weight tracking do mean Wii Fit stands a good chance of being used for significantly longer than other pieces of exercise equipment. Doesn't mean it will be used more than a month or two though...
quen
wild homes
Posted 8:26 AM 23/5/08
@dunetiger : one of the naerds: HA! My heart is a sac full of love for you, my glorious cohort on this Bataan-march through the future of gaming.
wild homes
dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased
Posted 8:20 AM 23/5/08
@wild homes:
Also, chocolate dick-hat.
I promise I won't do that again.
dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased
wild homes
Posted 8:13 AM 23/5/08
PS I should clarify I mean SOME gamers, like the ones mentioning being uninterested in buying a Wii or in selling the one they already bought, in this thread and others.
wild homes
wild homes
Posted 8:10 AM 23/5/08
@megaStryke: I don't know, friend-- I get your passion for whatever crusade you perceive Iwata and Miyamoto to be on, but your ungodly long rants about whatever 'slights' you see people committing against the Wii just yell FANBOY to us.
Look, we're definitely not blind to the Wii's success. We get it, everyone gets it, leave it alone, it prints money, blah blah blah. And Nintendo's turning non-gamers into gamers, we get that, too-- actually we can't help but get that, because EVERYONE FROM YOU TO REGGIE FILS-AIME WON'T SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT IT. Miyamoto wanted to lead gaming away from 30-hour narratives to a new paradise of 30-minute bite-sized experiences and 'community' games. We get that, too. We read all the same hype, same interviews, same press releases you do.
But what you do is mistake all these little, disconnected voices saying, 'but what about me, I have supported Nintendo for almost twenty-five years and suddenly they want to ignore me and make games for people who never gave them a second thought before' for people who don't get what Nintendo are doing. And that's where you're so wrong-- gamers aren't looking more to Sony and Microsoft and shelving their Wiis or selling them off because they DON'T get it, but rather because they DO get it. Nintendo decided that instead of maintaining their traditional fanbase WHILE AT THE SAME TIME converting nongamers to the fold, they would ignore the people that had been in their corner for years and replace them with Jim and Jane Neu-Gamer.
You can't get mad because people disagree with Nintendo's strategy. I'm glad they're doing well. But for me, and other gamers like me? We can't pretend Nintendo make games for us anymore. So we'll spend our money elsewhere. But don't confuse the issue for something it's not.
wild homes
dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased
Posted 7:54 AM 23/5/08
@Tonx:
True nuff. Shame your friend didn't keep the weight off. Having accomplished that much of a loss in 8 months, you'd think she'd make a go of keeping it gone. Then again, I don't know how long ago this was... and maybe she works at a NOC, too. haha
dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased
Ryumeka
Posted 7:40 AM 23/5/08
Wii Fit will be forgotten, but a lot of people will go "Oh there's that Wii fit thingy. I'll give that another go"
Repeat process.
Ryumeka
Tonx
Posted 7:38 AM 23/5/08
@dunetiger : one of the naerds: From what I've played of Wii Fit, it seems like there's plenty (like overly many) of high score boards - but no "burn 100 calories in ten minutes or fail" kinds of challenges that could be compared to DDR songs. That makes me very sad, but at the same time, after my friend 'beat' all the songs on DDR, she never played again, and put back on most of the weight. So maybe Wii Fit has it right in encouraging you to beat your own records and not beat the system.
Ah, well - there is absolutely nothing wrong with people getting more fit, even if they don't stick with it. No harm done. Unless you invested in Sony about two years back, that is.
Tonx
keiichimorisato
Posted 7:04 AM 23/5/08
LOL...I love all these people who had Wiis but have sold them, but still come into these threads to state that fact again and again.
keiichimorisato
LittleBallOfHate
Posted 6:29 AM 23/5/08
Isn't this precisely what we said about the Wii in the first place? That it was gathering dust, that the system was selling, but not the games...
Look, guys. I understand the reasoning. There is logic here. Empirically, though, it doesn't seem to be the case, as Wii games are selling better than ever and the system is trouncing the competition in total software sales.
Similarly, Wii Fit continues to sell and sell and sell in Japan, which indicates, to me, that the game isn't a fad that everyone is forgetting about. If anything, PS3/360 games are a fad, as those are the titles that tend to sell very well right at the start and then plummet off the face of the sales earth.
This all just seems like reaching, hoping, to me. If something we don't like is selling very well right now.... well, all we can do is hope that it won't sell so well later on. Or in other words, a fad.
LittleBallOfHate
dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased
Posted 6:21 AM 23/5/08
@Tonx:
I do say the exact same for people buying memberships and not using them. Like somehow it's going to magically do the work for you once you've dropped the cash.
That is awesome that your friend dropped 40 pounds to ace DDR. I dropped a few myself trying to master every iteration of Paranoia... then I got a job working at a NOC and the pounds came back. :( haha
dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased
alzheimers
Posted 6:05 AM 23/5/08
WiiFit is exactly the kind of title that would benefit from DLC.
Too bad the Wii has the (comparitive) memory capacity of my goldfish.
alzheimers
Tonx
Posted 6:04 AM 23/5/08
@dunetiger : one of the naerds: "Back to the point: Anyone buying Wii Fit to lose weight is kidding themselves."
The same could be said of the exact same people for any fitness product or gym membership. Don't give Wii Fit too much credit - the people buying it are the ones who are doing all the work to lose the weight, not the video game.
Oh, and I watched a friend drop 40 pounds in 8 months of DDR ownership. Being conservative, 10 pounds in a year of Wii Fit ownership really doesn't seem very daunting to me.
Tonx
Tonx
Posted 6:00 AM 23/5/08
@fuchikoma: Could be. But this one seems... different.
The Balance Board may be left high and dry, who knows. Nintendo has told us there are quite a few (I forget how many... ten?) games in development/already out for it.
Also, Nintendo invested two years of R & D into getting it just right, so they're expecting a pretty massive return on that - the counter-arguement to that, of course, is that they've already made a massive investment on it.
But between developer support, a solid and versatile peripheral (at least, more versatile than the DK Bongos and the Super Scope), the potential of WiiWare downloads, great sales... I expect I'll get quite a lot of use out of this thing.
That being said - I don't expect Nintendo first party titles beyond maybe two new entries. Wii Fit 2 and maybe 1080. After that - Nintendo will leave it to third party devs. If Capcom or EA - or even indie WiiWare devs - can't capitalize on the opportunity, it's everyones loss.
@Wii sellers: It's always good to have a system and a few games around that your family / potential girlfriend / cousin's kids can play. That's pretty much why I have mine.
Tonx
PTTSeven
Posted 5:54 AM 23/5/08
My problem is that I'm about 35 pounds heavier than the "Maximum weight" software allows (so 365 or so).
Imagine my delight as I step on for the Body Test, only to be told politely that I'm too fat to use Wii Fit, as the software rebooted endlessly.
So while a case can be made that this in itself is incentive to begin losing weight so I can join in the reindeer games, I'm starting to really feel that $90 shaped void in my wallet.
PTTSeven
dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased
Posted 5:54 AM 23/5/08
@Antiterra:
Mine, too. Seen my comments lately? Pure, utter crap.
Anyways, I can say for certain that my Taiko Drum has a thick layer of dust on it. Might have enjoyed the game more if they kept the original tracks in it... you know, the ones where taiko drums would actually be used?
Back to the point: Anyone buying Wii Fit to lose weight is kidding themselves. Losing weight, especially when you're sporting a gut and a big butt, takes a lot more than isotonic exercises on a balance board. It's as much about working all your muscle groups as it is about proper eating. I'm sure the majority of the people getting this "game" are going to finish their session by eating a bag of chips and watching some TV.
dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased
OrionnoirO
Posted 5:47 AM 23/5/08
@Bidule:
I know what you mean, already sold my Wii and dont really miss it.
OrionnoirO
Bidule
Posted 5:38 AM 23/5/08
Actually searching a buyer for my Wii, not interesed anymore by the type of games released on.
Bidule
PlasmaMachine
Posted 5:11 AM 23/5/08
@KaneRobot:
Sad but true. I have my Wii on eBay right now. I hate to sound like a broken record, but it really is just collecting dust and not being used. After that initial "Wow, I have a Wii!" feeling went away, it was just "meh" the rest of the time. I had fun with it the first month or so initially, then it just got boring with nothing really fun or exciting to do. Galaxy was fun for a few weeks, then that got old.. Same with Smash Bros and I only played Mario Kart for the two days before GTA IV came out, and I haven't really touched it since.
I know I'll catch hell for it, but I was really disappointed by the Wii. In the end it really just felt forgettable.. I kinda feel the same way about my PS3 (game wise for now), but at least I get regular use out of it for Blu-Ray movies.
PlasmaMachine
culic
Posted 5:05 AM 23/5/08
Jeff Green on the front left of that pic?
culic
Antiterra
Posted 4:59 AM 23/5/08
@room88: HA! You're obviously a Sony fanboy, you put question marks next to the PS3 and PSP, betraying your deep-rooted, biased belief that the 360 and DS are more likely to gather dust! What say you to that, mister?
... In related news, my brain is gathering dust. Hasn't seen much use lately.
Antiterra
Ciao_Bambina
Posted 4:36 AM 23/5/08
We received our Wii Fit from Costco yesterday and played with it all evening. It was a blast! All four of us adults thought that we were in fairly good shape, but some of the "games" and aerobics were pretty tough, even on the lowest settings. The hula hoop one just about did me in! And I am sure feeling it in a few places this morning.
We tried some of the yoga stuff, but that was a bit boring for a "party" atmosphere. More suited to alone time. And those gray people are freaky.
We're expecting Wii Ski from Amazon to arrive today, and looking forward to trying that out tonight. I've always liked skiing, just hated snow and cold, so this should be fun!
As for the longevity of the Wii and the Wii Fit, if they can keep feeding us a really cool app every few months, I think that they'll keep me hooked for a long, long time. After last night, I'm really impressed - it's even better than I thought it would be.
BTW, it weighed me at 10 lbs. less that my dr.'s and my scales say! Everyone else said that it was accurate for them. Weird... Maybe it was just trying to butter me up?
Ciao_Bambina
mva5580
Posted 4:35 AM 23/5/08
There are very very few video games that AREN'T purchased and forgotten. I imagine there are plenty of people out there who are already done playing GTA IV and asking what's going to be in the next one.
Look. When you have as many disposable-income type things to do as this country has, people just get bored with things quickly. Attention spans have shrunk to nearly nothing because there are 3 different consoles, 2 handheld consoles, PC's, TV shows, books, movies, working out, going out/socializing, shopping, other misc hobbies. Oh and BY THE WAY, sometime in between all of that stuff, find time for your significant other, any kids you might have, your JOB, and regular house/life maintenance.
That's life people. It's a rare thing anymore that can actually keep people's minds occupied for the long term.
mva5580
the_funny_thing_is
Posted 4:28 AM 23/5/08
@Green-clad Gamer Dude: But you're willing to waste our time by posting about their comments?
the_funny_thing_is
StupidDufus
Posted 4:27 AM 23/5/08
@KaneRobot:
Agreed. I turn mine on once or twice a month, but probably spend less than 5 hours in that time using it.
StupidDufus
MoogPaul
Posted 4:25 AM 23/5/08
I understand her point. Several hours after my first WiiFit session, I was staring at it and thinking to myself, I should work some more at it because I want to "beat" the "levels". I don't like loosing in video games so it's a very weird inspiration, but inspiration none-the-less.
MoogPaul
megaStryke
Posted 4:24 AM 23/5/08
@gozirah: Because I can't stand seeing people who are so blind as to how the Wii console is impacting the the industry. You don't have to like the Wii itself or its games, but you have to appreciate the strives it has made in shifting the market. It's like you are giving these people a box of unbridled potential, a box containing the framework for future generations of the ENTIRE industry, yet these people can't seem to look beyond the packaging. They judge it on a superficial level without seeing exactly what it is doing to be as successful as it has become.
Now, if these people were to stop whining about how the Wii is a fad or how the Wii is destroying the future of gaming, maybe I wouldn't have to go into mile-long rants about beneath-the-surface rumblings. But since these people feel some need to prevent the spread of this "disease" instead of enjoying their games as they should and leaving others alone, I feel the need to challenge their views.
megaStryke
Brentai
Posted 4:21 AM 23/5/08
I don't think the constant weight record-keeping is going to be an eternal draw for the software. Brain Age does a similar smartiness record-keeping and it grows old pretty quickly, mainly due to the fact that you're doing the same set of activities every day.
The only way Wii Fit is going to stay fresh for an acceptable lifespan (say, a year to a year and a half) is if it gets a steady stream of original software that makes use of it, and not just "Hey, keep headbutting those soccer balls! You're losing a pound!" It's more than doable, but considering that Nintendo seems already bored with the Wiimote (a device with WORLDS of possibilities that have been completely untapped), it's going to be an uphill battle. Especially because, in the back of their minds, they WANT you to drop the balance board in three months and buy whatever new white thing they came up with.
Brentai
wild homes
Posted 4:21 AM 23/5/08
On a side note, though: if that photo is of a Nintendo fĂȘte, those guys know how to spend the dough! That's some QE2 shenanigans there!
wild homes
wild homes
Posted 4:13 AM 23/5/08
Actually, another way to approach this is... How many people finish AAA titles with compelling narratives and a determinate end? Most gaming polls represent that VERY FEW people finish the games they play, and that's for games with a focus on urging you to the story's end! People are not going to suddenly 'get fit' with this title because it's a joke-- fitness training involves a LOT more than some pseudomotion minigames. And when people don't see the results they're expecting (and yes, this is how unhealthy americans think-- look at how many people buy into fad diets and programs that OBVIOUSLY don't work!) they'll just think WTF?, and quit.
This title is great if you happen to think pseudoexercise is fun, but I pity anyone who thinks this is going to improve his health.
wild homes
fuchikoma
Posted 4:07 AM 23/5/08
@Tonx:
And there are a couple bongo games and a platformer, right? Nothing since? That's what I'm saying, not how many they'll sell. Who knows how many FF:CC link cables they sold.
But Wii Fit is selling a lot, so maybe the board will get as much support as the Super Scope 6 did! That had a whole handful of games before promptly vanishing.
I never said it wouldn't sell - I'm saying Nintendo always pushes out a peripheral, makes sure everyone gets one, then leaves them high and dry.
fuchikoma
Zaos
Posted 4:04 AM 23/5/08
my ps3 is a dust magnet and i turn it on everyday, thats what happens when you have dogs :(
my psp is purely for travel only which this year seems to be a lot
DS is for my lady traveling with me
Wii? oh i thought i got rid of that when i traded in my ps2. but i can say the same for rockband and guitar hero. a video game system is a video game system, equipment that tags along with it lately seems to be a waste of time effort and money. i for one am ready to get rid of guitar hero 3 when mgs4 comes out and rock band is on the chopping block next.
Zaos
gozirah
Posted 4:01 AM 23/5/08
@megaStryke: I don't get it. What's it to you whether other people think the Wii or the balance board is a fad? The public at large is eating it up. If some gamers are not resonating with Nintendo's offerings, are their concerns discountable because they aren't mainstream? I'm sure Elmo made a crap ton of money too. I don't think that automatically makes it a great product for everyone. Maybe the Wii is just a series of Elmos, each of which is momentarily entertaining.
gozirah
wild homes
Posted 4:00 AM 23/5/08
Nintendo is picking a weird fight with this one. OF COURSE it will be purchased and forgotten. All games are, even the great ones. And this one in particular because Nintendo lack the online infrastructure make competitive fitness training compelling, so as soon as your local incentive to keep at it vanishes, you're going to burn out on it. Maybe in the future other titles will use the balance board, so maybe it'll have a little rebirth, but then people will forget those things, too. Nintendo have done some pretty hard-to-imagine things this generation, but I don't believe for a moment they'll take a nation of (when it comes to exercise) undisciplined slobs and make them workout monsters. Besides, Wii Fit is a 'workout' in the loosest sense imaginable. Go to the gym!
wild homes
RawSteelUT
Posted 3:56 AM 23/5/08
@Foxstar Sixtail: I assume they also know more than the Gamestop managers who're desperately trying to trick people into buying the huge fucking piles of games and accessories? Dude, the Wii's not being played by most of its "userbase," everyone knows it but the Nintendo fanboys.
And I myself detest the term "hardcore," at least when applied to people who only like games like Madden and GTA.
RawSteelUT
megaStryke
Posted 3:51 AM 23/5/08
@slomo788: Oh, and Sony may have crushed Nintendo in the past two generations in terms of gaining market share and selling hardware, but Nintendo has never had a year in when they reported a loss. Every year they recorded profits. Sony's game division has recorded many profitable years, but those have since been offset greatly by years like the launch of the PS2 and these past two fiscal years of the PS3.
megaStryke
ortegar
Posted 3:49 AM 23/5/08
Lets make a game about changing underwear I say...."what an idiotic idea from this imbecile" you may say. But if Miyamoto had said it, everyone would applaud him.
ortegar
teh_joe
Posted 3:49 AM 23/5/08
@OGHowie: well, honestly i don't play as much as the majority on here seems to. but i would say that i play Wii moreoften then watch DVDs. when i get that chance to do one or the other i'll often play Wii.
teh_joe
megaStryke
Posted 3:48 AM 23/5/08
@slomo788: He's not blinded. He just loves a good, sound business strategy and champions those companies that apply such strategies:
[malstrom.50webs.com]
megaStryke
megaStryke
Posted 3:43 AM 23/5/08
@Sofox: Seriously. How long does the typical game last nowadays, huh? God of War I and II were roughly 10 to 12 hours, right? Factor in deaths and bonus content and you could probably sink two or three weeks into it. Ico? Not exactly the type of game that lends itself to repeated playthroughs. Any Zelda game? As long as those games can be, a lot of us stay glued to that television set through the end, plowing through in about a week. Take your time and you've got a month, month and a half. As big as games like Halo and Smash Bros. are and despite the "infinitely" replayable multiplayer modes, you may know quite a few people who have stopped playing entirely after a single month. On the flipside, they may not, but very few people ever stick to one game for the remainder of their days.
In fact, how often do you hear on the boards people whining about games releases? A game or two gets delayed and suddenly there is nothing to play anymore! Gamers gotta have their three or four major releases a month in order to satisfy their fix. We rarely stick around with one game for long. We like to mix it up and keep things diverse.
If that is the case, why is there this crazy notion that Wii Fit or Wii Sports needs to have Duncan MacLeod-like longevity? Why aren't people allowed to shelve them after several weeks to hopefully return to them some time in the future?
megaStryke
karasu is my homeboy
Posted 3:42 AM 23/5/08
They also said the Game Boy would continue to be supported and wasn't going anywhere, either.
The problem is, they can't guarantee other developers won't use it for silly gimmicks. I think they really have to take control to continue to give this life. But, Nintendo is used to that by now.
@teh_joe: The "fear" of the Wii Fit balance board dying a slow death can't be compared to a Star Wars DVD. One is a controller input peripheral, and one is a DVD.The Vision Camera has pretty much been abandoned. Many Vision Camera(360) owners are not pleased. That's what's being discussed here.
karasu is my homeboy
slomo788
Posted 3:38 AM 23/5/08
@FishyJoe: Wii Push-up Competition confirmed!
slomo788
Argyle
Posted 3:38 AM 23/5/08
only Miyamoto's creative mind could understand the mania of Japanese girls and their obsession with how much they weigh and take advantage of that anxiety and spin it into tantalizing treadmill of a game which barely qualifies as excercise. Absolute genius.
Argyle
slomo788
Posted 3:37 AM 23/5/08
@Tonx: Oh maybe I should try that too. Surprisingly mine only liked God of War on PSP (and Mario World of course, like anyone with opposable thumbs).
slomo788
FishyJoe
Posted 3:36 AM 23/5/08
I think it was Miyamoto who said there will be DLC in the future for Wii Fit. So I look at Wii Fit as a starter pack.
FishyJoe
Tonx
Posted 3:35 AM 23/5/08
@slomo788: It's a great read for any poor gamer nerdboy who wants to get their girlfriend into video games too. Mine can kick my ass as Mario Kart now. Consistently. All thanks to Wii Sports!
Tonx
slomo788
Posted 3:32 AM 23/5/08
@megaStryke: Dude I read this and it makes perfect sense. But I should also say, this guy is too blinded by his love for Nintendo (look at all his other articles). It's like only Nintendo has plans and Microsoft and Sony are run by monkeys. Sony won the last two gens and crushed Nintendo both times, and it's the only company besides Nintendo who's had a successful handheld. A great read nonetheless. :)
slomo788
huginn
Posted 3:32 AM 23/5/08
Nintendo addons never go out of style I mean, just look at some of there older 'timeless' addons.
The Power Glove (It's so bad)
RoB the robot
The Nintendo CD
The DK Bongos
Nintendo 64DD
The N64 expansion pack
The GBA printer/ card scanner
All classic hits, every single one of those. How can we forget those
huginn
Raziel Dune
Posted 3:31 AM 23/5/08
@Green-clad Gamer Dude: wait wait i want to waste one...more....min..nope can't do it.
Raziel Dune
Foxstar Sixtail
Posted 3:30 AM 23/5/08
@interstate78:Spare me your lack of logic.
@LittleBigPlaneteer: So you say.
@Green-clad Gamer Dude:Posting about forgotten consoles and dust is a proven penis enhancement.
Foxstar Sixtail
Mokona
Posted 3:30 AM 23/5/08
@Sofox: A-effin'-men!
Mokona
OGHowie
Posted 3:29 AM 23/5/08
@teh_joe:
A better argument would be comparing your DVD player to your Wii.
OGHowie
Tonx
Posted 3:29 AM 23/5/08
I've been thinking about this some more...
Doesn't Nintendo seem really, really short-sighted about this? Okay, here's the quote:
"You get ranked, you unlock new levels, you can compete against each other, there's a lot of video game hooks that will help people stay motivated"
The product they have that comes closest to that system while encouraging daily play is... Brain Age. And guess what, while it kept people occupied, it wasn't enough, because they had to release a second Brain Age.
Why would they think Wii Fit was immune to this?
Tonx
excel_excel
Posted 3:27 AM 23/5/08
@megaStryke: Stoooooop! I clicked on it before! The pixelated comic hurts my eyes! it makes good points but it hurts my EYES!
excel_excel
M
Posted 3:27 AM 23/5/08
Can't people just stop complaining about having a Wii and not playing it? Just sell it already. As for Wii Fit, I'm hoping that I'll be able to stick with it, but I doubt I'll last a month.
M
Green-clad Gamer Dude
Posted 3:26 AM 23/5/08
@KaneRobot: @Raziel Dune: Apparently you haven't forgotten about the Wii enough to not waste our and your time posting about.
Green-clad Gamer Dude
excel_excel
Posted 3:26 AM 23/5/08
@teh_joe: exactly! the 360 at out my house gathered dust after Mass Effect was finished till GTA IV came out! It happens to all consoles, and other shit we have!
@RubyMars: haha! Lose 10 pounds to unlock acheivement!
excel_excel
megaStryke
Posted 3:26 AM 23/5/08
Before this spins wildly out of control yet again, I will post this site once more:
[malstrom.50webs.com]
How many times do I have to pimp this site? Huh? How many times before some people get it through their closed-minded skulls that the global market does not bend to their every whim? That anecdotal evidence proves nothing other than that you feel you are a world delegate? Maybe I'll throw it up here once more just to play it safe:
[malstrom.50webs.com]
megaStryke
RubyMars
Posted 3:24 AM 23/5/08
If they really wanted to sink the hook into the core gamer market, they should've incorporated some sort of Achievement Point Processor into the Balance Board hardware. Everyone knows that gamers are addicted to Achievement Points!
RubyMars
sander_dutch
Posted 3:24 AM 23/5/08
My main concern is also to buy it and forget it.
They really need to encourage people to keep using it and gain levels (like COD4 online) and compete in order to keep me interested
Without competing this title and balance board will quickly disappear from my living room and into the kitchen cabinet
YES, THE KITCHEN CABINET
*que dramatic music*
sander_dutch
Raziel Dune
Posted 3:23 AM 23/5/08
@TheStarterWife: lol you keep your ddr mat under the couch? i swear thats where i thought i put mine...but it never came back...i think it fell into narnia.
Raziel Dune
room88
Posted 3:22 AM 23/5/08
360 gathers dust
PS3 might gather dust?
PSP gathering dust?
DS, aka the dust magnet.
There.. that about covers all the dust gathering thoughts for ya :)
room88
gibfather
Posted 3:22 AM 23/5/08
LOL!! I just had to laugh at that last line. I bet if I pitched that idea in a brainstorm meeting, I'd be out of a job.
gibfather
interstate78
Posted 3:21 AM 23/5/08
@Foxstar Sixtail: Spare us the buttkissing, please.
interstate78
teh_joe
Posted 3:20 AM 23/5/08
@Sofox: @excel_excel: i'm with you guys
teh_joe
TheStarterWife
Posted 3:20 AM 23/5/08
@KaneRobot: Couldn't agree more, and I am the definition of a "casual" gamer. After killing ourselves trying to get our hands on a Wii in the first couple of months of release, there were stretches of months on end when neither myself or my boyfriend even turned it on.
Am I going to buy Wii Fit? Of course, just because I do want to try the yoga portion of the game. (And the hulu-hoop thing.) Will it replace my normal workout? Of course not. But I am sure eventually the WiiFit board will slide under my sofa never to be seen again... next the DDR mat.
TheStarterWife
teh_joe
Posted 3:19 AM 23/5/08
the whole "buy it and forget it" thing is getting old. does everyone pay attention to everything they own? I got Star Wars on DVD. couldn't tell you the last time i watched one of them but i like knowing it have it. Do we need to constantly be playing every game or system? How many of you have a game that you haven't played in a while?
teh_joe
riffleraffle
Posted 3:18 AM 23/5/08
Also, how the hell is Ziff-Davis going to pull themselves out of bankruptcy of they throw events and summits? o_O
riffleraffle
excel_excel
Posted 3:17 AM 23/5/08
Additional generic Wii gathering dust comment.
Seriously yeah thats getting old guys
excel_excel
mackincheese
Posted 3:17 AM 23/5/08
Oh, Mr. Miyamoto...your creativity is that of legend.
mackincheese
Tonx
Posted 3:17 AM 23/5/08
@fuchikoma: They didn't sell two million pair of DK Bongos in Japan alone. I would say that this peripheral is going to have a bit more in the way of legs for Nintendo.
Besides, WiiWare titles should be able to take advantage of this - a factor that countless other Nintendo peripherals missed out on.
Tonx
wild_world_girl
Posted 3:16 AM 23/5/08
That looks like a dining room from Resident Evil.
Spooky.
wild_world_girl
LittleBigPlaneteer
Posted 3:15 AM 23/5/08
@Foxstar Sixtail:
Reading comprehension FTW
LittleBigPlaneteer
Sofox
Posted 3:14 AM 23/5/08
Wii Fit may be forgotten after some time, but it's like that for every game.
With exceptions like Counter-Strike and WoW (both multiplayer), nearly every game you buy will be played a lot at first, and eventually left alone. In some cases you rediscover it, or play it for longer then other games, but after a long enough period of time, you simply stop playing it. That's why gamers keep looking out for the new games on the horizon, because they want to play new games that they haven't played yet.
Sofox
excel_excel
Posted 3:14 AM 23/5/08
DO 1080 USING THE BALANCE BOARD!
DO 1080 USING THE BALANCE BOARD!
DO 1080 USING THE BALANCE BOARD!
excel_excel
Raziel Dune
Posted 3:13 AM 23/5/08
i've forgotten all about my Wii after beating Smash Brothers.
Raziel Dune
riffleraffle
Posted 3:10 AM 23/5/08
@Foxstar Sixtail: He said "My problem", as in he's not using it. Chill out.
riffleraffle
fuchikoma
Posted 3:10 AM 23/5/08
If the balance board is anything like the countless other Nintendo peripherals I've bought, then Wii Fit won't be the only thing they release for it - they'll do one - or maybe two more games, THEN ignore it like it never existed.
fuchikoma
NeoAkira
Posted 3:09 AM 23/5/08
Kind of an interesting question. I wonder how many good ideas have been canned simply because they didn't come from someone with more pull.
Anyhow, WiiFit has become more and more appealing to me in the last few weeks. I just wish it wasn't so expensive.
NeoAkira
Tonx
Posted 3:07 AM 23/5/08
I agree that there are a lot of video game hooks to keep you motivated, but I think new software is going to go a lot further than unlockables in keeping people interested in Wii Fit.
That being said, I think that Wii Fit has a lot more lasting potential than most exercise equipment people buy, myself included.
Tonx
Foxstar Sixtail
Posted 3:07 AM 23/5/08
@KaneRobot:Yes, because you have carefully compiled data that proves this.
Once again Nintendo and Miyamoto know more about what they are doing then the naysayers and 'hardcore'
Foxstar Sixtail
blehh
Posted 3:07 AM 23/5/08
i misinterpreted the headline, thinking she said it wont be purchased and will be forgotten. hah
blehh
Krackatoa
Posted 3:07 AM 23/5/08
To answer your question: Yes.
But it wouldn't have been as adorable.
Krackatoa
KaneRobot
Posted 3:05 AM 23/5/08
My problem was the Wii itself being purchased and forgotten.
KaneRobot