@mcool93: Gears of War 2 is another third person shooter. Ninja Gaiden 2 is another fast-paced action game. Fable 2 is another RPG.

What's your point? It should be that you choose what system you want to buy based on what games interest you. Your point seems to be that the PS3 isn't worth it because all the games are just "another [insert genre here]." That's really bad logic.

ShirtGuyDom

What's wrong with your PS3? I swear that I have the worst luck when it comes to the ps3. I still love the thing, but I feel like a 360 owner sometimes. First ps3 bought on launch day, stolen out of my home with other goods. Bought a second one, 1 month later, it gave blinking lights and died. Sent it into Sony, they got it back to me quickly, no horror stories and even gave me an extra controller. Then last week, that same one I got back from Sony, the day before GTA release, it wouldn't eject my armored core 4 I just bought. I tried all kinds of ways to get it out, then I finally called Sony and they were glad to ship me a box to send it in. The guy was very appologetic about the whole deal, he even pulled up my previous ticket showing my records, I thought I would have problem since my serial number on the receipt isn't the same as the original, but they had all the information. 30 minutes after I hung up, I tried to eject again and it came right out. I never had problem since after that. I called sony back to canel my service request, they told me it's too late, the box is shipped from another department, it will go out anyway, just to ignore it. Oh well, tried to save them some money but they refused. Anyway, I didn't send it it...so that's just 1 ps3 problem that I have after all.

karateka

@karasu is my homeboy:

We'll see about that. A lot of companies just stop caring until their sales figures dip, then they play the "we care" card. Not saying they are yet, but let's just wait and see before we say they care about gamers?

@IronsUK:
He's kind of jumpin' all over people, just chill, it's alright. Your opinion, after all. Isn't that right? :)

Drake Lake

Playstation Home will never be anything other than an extremely clunky substitute for the 360's menu interface for live. It will just have a lot more ads. Gamers will immediately wish for menus to do the few things they may actually enjoy in Home.

usfslacker

@ShirtGuyDom:

I don't have the time to search, but he did compare summer to summer and fall to fall when comparing games.

case in point, how many of those games you just mentioned will you actually buy?

mcool93

@ShirtGuyDom:

I believe that IronsUK meant games that he like and that the 360 doesn't have the equivalent.

Resistance 2 is another shooter. Killzone 2 hasn't proven to be a 9/10. Motorstorm is an arcade racer that doesn't match Burnout's depth. Haze is another shooter, and the demo disappointed for now. Singstar, there's american idol and rock band. little big planet, might work. Socom, another tom clancy style shooter. Infamous (what's that). Wipeout, people still play that game? i thought fzero failed. FF 13, well 360 has lost odyssey, blue dragon, fable 2, etc. GT5, 360 has forza 2 and PGR3-4.

If you have to include games like Singstar, let me remind you that 360 has two dance dance revolution games while PS3 has none.

mcool93

@IronsUK: Really. None of those games impress you? What kinds of games are you into again?

ShirtGuyDom

Can't really blame them on this point, they were creating a console that lost them tons of money, wasn't selling as fast as they wanted and trying to give free online (at a mucher higher service than the Wii too) so they needed to see some monetary support. It's sad that they lost focus of Home but it's not really integral to the PS3 and for some not even interesting so it's not a problem in my eyes.

Llost

@ShirtGuyDom: Yeah, as soon as I sumbitted I knew I need to have written "3 or 4 games I WANT that I can't get on the 360".

IronsUK

@mcool93: It's his opinion. It's mine too actually. And he also stressed the point that PS3's lineup is more spread (paraphrasing here, of course) throughout the year (Haze, MGS4 this summer and the ones you said for fall).

slomo788

Amazing, two humility filled and true comments from Sony in 24 hours. Im was almost amazed and convinced they are back on track...

..sadly, the SIX (sh*t?) AXIS MGS4 bundle for Euroland has shatered whatever little hope for Sony I had left.

Shiryu

@mcool93: Oh, and if I remember correctly, he wasn't just talking about the fall. Right, I do remember correctly:

"All I'm saying is that I think that when we look ahead I think we honestly have a better line-up on PS3 than they probably do on Xbox. They've had two or three Christmases now, I can't remember how many, you know, but I think we've got a really good one coming up. Not just Christmas but in the summer as well."

ShirtGuyDom

@Rebel Without Applause:

What run-around are you talking about? Server reliability is the key issue here, and you get what you pay for.

SG79

@mcool93: In your opinion. In his opinion, the PS3 lineup is better. But I guess having an opinion that's different from yours is arrogant, right? Whatever.

ShirtGuyDom

@steliosco: There are free themes also, some just cost money.

You have advertisements on cable and satellite also and you pay one hell of a lot more than that.

The waiting a week for demos I'll give you, MSN shouldn't be treating silver subscribers like second class citizens, but still, you can get Live for <$4 a month. I can't believe people still complain about the cost.

rotcepsurt

err, didn't the same guy Reeves said those arrogant stuffs about 360 having nothing else but DLC GTA? isn't he the same guy that said PS3's fall line up is better than 360, despite that it's [resistance 2, socom 10, LBP] vs [Gears of war 2, fable 2, halo wars]? Of course, I didn't include MGS4 because he officially count that as summer lineup. Without heavy hitter GT5 (not prologue) and FF13, PS3's exclusive 2008 lineup isn't as heavy as 360's 2007 lineup.

mcool93

@steliosco: Paying $50 a year to play online with friends and not have to deal with $ony's complete run-around bullshit is well worth it.

Rebel Without Applause

And I love how Sony can't even apologize without people bitching at them for it. Take your jaded attitudes and go hate something worth hating.

ShirtGuyDom

@IronsUK: Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, Haze, SingStar, LittleBigPlanet, SOCOM: Confrontation, Infamous, Wipeout HD, FF XXIII, GT5.

And those are just unreleased games.

ShirtGuyDom

@DigitalHero: The sad part is that I'm still waiting for the consoles to come bundled with the DS3 here, since I refuse to pay anything for the Sixaxis in any way... DS3 should have been in the box from the start and I'm not getting one of those boxes until they're served here in Europe :/

...that or I wait until August/September no matter what and import the damn controllers... *sigh* ...I can only make a statement for a limited time when the list of games I want on it is growing fast... good thing I don't need a new console over summer at least... I'll settle for sun and hot ocean water ... and the wii connected to an old TV ... when I'm chilling a vacation island all summer.

The Whaleman

Wow, it's almost like they had a big meeting and talked about how they could trick people into like them again...

twesterms 2nd

@chrisgriner: His PS3 stopped reading Blu-Ray discs.

Doomstalk

It's sort of like Second Life, except it sucks.

More.

erlik

Screw Playstation Home, just make good games for the system and I'll buy it. MGS4 looks like fun but they need 3 or 4 more games that I can't have on my 360 before they get my money.

IronsUK

As long as billionaires in ten thousand dollar suits tell us what 'gamers' want, we the consumers are going to suffer.

Give us challenging good looking games, no frill competition, and easy interaction with friends.

Thats what we want. Big three executives and those shitty publishers can go soak their heads as far as I'm concerned when it comes to anything that they 'know' about us gamers.

invictus

@karasu is my homeboy: I'll give you that, it's a step in the right direction.

Obscenely late, but still.

JamesR87

@The Whaleman:
I'd say import from the U.S. or Japan if you want a DS3. You can get them for around $60 US at www.japanvideogames.com. I wouldn't wait if I was in your shoes.

DigitalHero

@chrisgriner:

Just more whining for in-game xmb, I hate having to quit out of the game when I want to check a message or a download or something.

Werrick

@Fahey: "Now if I could only get my PS3 working again"

What did you mean by this? Should provide link to a writeup of your issues if you have done one. Just curious. Course if you're just being sarcastic then I completely missed the point and well...should just shut up.

@Werrick: What the h*ll do you mean?

chrisgriner

@karasu is my homeboy:

Actually dude, this all started when they put Kaz Hirai at the top. Kaz is way more empathetic than Ken Kutaragi was---both internally and with the gamers and media---Kutaragi is smart in his own way but Kaz is why PS is so big in the US and why PS3 will be dominant--as we can already see the rise happening in all territories (yes even here in the US of A).

Now if only he could strong arm Square into finally doing a FF7 remake.....

Zookey

sony is the devil*!! whereas the awesome m$ that charges for themes,places ads on a subscription service and gives demos earlier to gold subscribers is perfect
:)

*not,actually they wasted many resources on a free service(home)for consumers and
i will download it to check it,sometime :|

steliosco

The trouble with Sony is that it forgot that the PS3 was a next gen game console(which they seem to be trying to remember lately)and kept tryign to ram the fact that it was/is a full featured BlueRay player down everyone's throat thus alienatign Sony fans,gamers, and game developers in the process.

Sugaray

@DigitalHero: Now if they only would acknowledge and apologize over the European pricing and lack of DS3 here, I would have little left to complain about...

...but this move of blatant honesty is a nice way to gain sympathy and it works... to some extent. They're still being dicks towards Europe though... so try some harder, ok Sony? ;)

The Whaleman

Now if only all the companies could go through the same things Sony went through. Every company needs one of those humbling moments to knock them down a few notches and re-evaluate their relationship with the consumer.

male roof blower (CFB)

@JamesR87: Sony has done a lot to piss of gamers, potential PS3 buyers, and PS3 owners, but I don't think this is a moot point. It's showing they're actually caring about gamers and not just the $$$.

karasu is my homeboy

Sorry Sony. I'm one person who won't be bothering with Home whenever I get a PS3. I'll be too busy playing MGS4 over and over.

mphz

i can has XMB?

Werrick

Home better have some BA gta4 integration. If I cant watch Republican Space Rangers in Home, then hell, what can I do?

Derigor

home is for people who arent into games? °_°"

ibunkun

I would of figured Sony being so hellbent on getting Blu-ray popular would be the key that they don't care about gamers or gaming.

Rebel Without Applause

I've been in the Home beta since last June and could have told everyone the same thing after the first month of the beta.Home was akin to designign an avatar and then walking around a ghosttown designed to feature very little substance
and more of a home for billboards.It's gotten better over time but i still say it's going to be an overall disappointment as it still lacks focus and even if used for extended "game launching" it'll still be viewed as clunky with no real reason for existing by most.Had Sony tried to come up with a 3D eviormental version of XBL that would have been one thing, but to have no real vision as to what Home would be from the get go(which is obvious)is why they are where they are today.

Sugaray

@jp182:

Oh, pfft... I don't think anyone really into games is really considering Home to be a major draw.

I might be wrong, but the impression I'm getting is that the majority of people don't really consider it to be anything more than a neat gadget or toy.

Werrick

@JamesR87: Yes, you're the only one.

ShirtGuyDom

It's great to hear them admit it, but it was always a surprise to hear people talk about Home like it was anything but a corporate sponsor-fest layered on top of a chat room. The question for me was always "how does this make playing my games any better?" Seems like Sony will actually try to answer that question now.

Maybe I can start looking forward to this.

Killtacular

Too funny. "Yeah, we kind of forgot that video game players actually want to play video games on our video game console."

Sony gets a cookie for this one.

DaPress

THAT'S why I'm not enjoying an in game XMB right now?

It's nice of them to be honest, but it still pisses me off.

PapaBear434

This could be genuine honesty... Or very clever marketing...

Always the sceptic, my brain.

will

@JamesR87: what else are you waiting on?

jp182

Wow, I like to see Sony being Humble for once. Hopefully, they will get it right when they finally do release home -- which, I hope comes soon.

DugDawg

i'm sorry but i'm really not excited about Home yet.

jp182

Am I the only one who thinks this is a moot point?

It seems like Sony abandoned it's fans the moment the PS3 shifted a reasonable number of consoles.

Just look at how many of the games/features are overdue ...

JamesR87

I'm a 360 fanboy, but I like this also. I was turned off to PS3 because of price and the cocky vibe. I'll get a PS3 when I'm not buried under soul crushing debt.

bdcrews

Sony has been making positive strides to be open since fall 2007. Good times ahead. They have my support.

DigitalHero

It's almost like they had a meeting in Sony and decided,

"We've been acting like Dicks to convince people we don't make mistakes with PS3. This isn't working. Let's try being... humble? Yeah. Let's try that."

Actually, it's EXACTLY like that. See? I'm liking Sony more and more day by day.

karasu is my homeboy

Huh? Sony cares about gamers? Who knew.

ShirtGuyDom

Strange times...

It's nice to see Sony read the writing on the wall and are finally acting intelligently.

THIS fact alone should cause Microsoft a significant amount of concern.

EndersGame

I can't deal with this honesty!

Werrick

Sony = Eight Belles

Sonovius

I really don't see what the big deal is about in game xmb...just allowing players to have their own music in games is what most people seem to care about, just add that part and get over with. I don't need xmb in game. HOME...I don't have any opinion on it. Maybe I'll like it.

Games I'm getting

Metal gear of course
GT5 (not prologue)
Little big planet
Motorstorm2

The rest I will get it later, when it's on sale or soemthing.

karateka

What's wrong with Mike's PS3??

kind666

isn't this what it should have been in the FIRST FUCKING PLACE????? what the hell is the PS3...a computer? a Blu Ray player?...a fucking BILLBOARD FOR ADVERTISERS?

NO IT'S A FUCKING GAME CONSOLE...SONY get your head outta your ass and treat it as such.

Seiven

@mcool93: PS3's exclusive 2008 lineup isn't as heavy as 360's 2007 lineup.

Maybe, but it's definitely stronger than their 2008 line-up, and at the end of the day that's all it comes down to.

Fallible

@slomo788: How do you think? They prove there intention, if he's telling me there's a problem with localisation then I expect them to fix it. If he tells me they made mistakes, I expect them not to repeat the mistakes. I'm half and half with the PS3 but I judge consoles on how good they are and not by the brand so if Sony manages to pull out a winner next time that doesn't do the mistakes of the PS3 then I'd buy it. Is that not a win?

Llost

sony ... cares? must be freezing in hell

lilaliendog

@Llost: Well I guess we should just give them the benefit of the doubt and "enjoy" this honesty. If we bitch for cockiness and doubt their humbleness, how do they win?

@mcool93: GoW2 is bigger than any *360* game so far. Resistance 2 promises a far superior online and as far as I'm concerned, GoW2 is just the 360's Killzone 2: great graphics, destructible environment, etc. Besides, GoW2 is just a showcase of the tweaked UE3, so expect most games coming on both consoles after Gears 2 to have the same features, if not more.

slomo788

Today I was talking to my sister in a chat room we set up on PS3. She lives in the U.S. and I'm in Japan now. We were talking for about 15-20 minutes and I got bored of looking at our avatars and thought, "I wish I could walk around or do something." Then I realized it'd be cool to be walking around with her and fucking with people in Home as we discussed some stuff we had to take care of. Also, although I have pictures I can display to her in a chat on PS3 now, it'd be cool to have them displayed on a wall in a room, but even better would be if I could show movies I may have downloaded (or vice versa) so we could watch them in Home. Maybe I could show her a clip from a show I just saw.
I'm not saying that would be possible for sure, but it'd be cool. There's some rare circumstances this would be a useful service. I think launching together from a common room would be helpful, too. Even 360 achievement whores would like to show off trophies to their friends like Home is supposed to do. There's possibilities there. Besides, it's free. So just shut up already.

Amerijapoxicano

@karateka: That's the point, get rid of localisation or get it done with as fast as possible so we can get the games early rather than have 3 month delays. Especially in UK where we speak english so when the americans get it and we're waiting 3 months it makes no sense.

Llost

@ShirtGuyDom:

"Resistance 2, Killzone 2, Motorstorm: Pacific Rift, Haze, SingStar, LittleBigPlanet, SOCOM: Confrontation, Infamous, Wipeout HD, FF XXIII, GT5."

Shooter, Shooter, other half of the first Motorstorm, Shooter, Singstar?(lolseriously?), LittleBigPlanet(should have been first on list), Shooter, ????, WipeoutHD, no conceivable release date, GT5. I'm a big fan of the PS brand, but it needs to stop trying to be an Xbox with all these damned shooters.

usfslacker

@ShirtGuyDom:
I really liked Resistance. I really liked Gears of War. If I had a choice to purchase R2 or GoW2, I'd select R2 simply because the story was more fleshed out and felt like there was purpose behind the game.

chrisgriner

@Llost: From the comments I don't think, 99 percent of the people cared about localisation. Though I do think he should shut up, it's not doing them any good...atleast from where I'm standing.

karateka

@Doomstalk:
Thanks for the info. I would assume sony's warranty would cover that. I've always had good luck with their TV products and warranty service.

My personal opinion about both systems: If there is a multiplatform game, I'm buying it for the PS3 or downloading it for the 360 depending on game quality. I have both systems though because every once in awhile the 360 has a game I want to play the PS3 doesn't. Right now I'm waiting for Fable 2. I'm not a Halo fan so that's never been a reason to have a 360 to me. The only game that's kicked me in the arse was Oblivion. I played the 360 version on a friends machine, then bought it on the PS3 when the Collectors Edition came out. It runs like absolute crap on the PS3, almost to the point I couldn't play it.

chrisgriner

@mcool93: Must-have according to who? As far as I'm concerned, Resistance 2 is more must have than Gears 2. But that's my personal taste, which is irrelevant compared to your personal taste.

BTW, Killzone 2 was pushed back to Feb '09, so scratch it off the list. My bad.

ShirtGuyDom

@mcool93: Well, last year I went kinda crazy with buying games and wasn't really selective, so I ended up getting burned (case in point, I bought Kane & Lynch -- 360 version).

So this year I'm going to be much more selective. I can't really tell you definitively which of those games I'm going to buy because I will likely rent and/or play the demo of each of those games before I decide.

If I have to decide now I'd say that I'll buy Resistance 2 (big fan of the first), Killzone 2 (contrary to most people, I kinda liked Killzone 1 and Liberation), Motorstorm: Pacific Rift (I liked the first one, and this one looks a lot more feature-heavy), LittleBigPlanet, Wipeout HD, and GT5.

I will probably only rent Haze and Infamous, and if I really like them I might buy them. Still on the fence about SOCOM. Never been a big fan of the series, so I might not get it.

But that's just me.

ShirtGuyDom

@SG79: Mainly things like Home getting delayed, which supposed to be the main gateway for the PSN. Also the in-game XMB, there must be a thousands comments a week saying all you guys want it. There isn't anything XBL needs to do or add to make it worth what it costs.

Rebel Without Applause

I thought the lack of good exclusive games was deserting games.

KM91

@invictus: Sounds about right. Execs talk the talk and us gamers are a hard crowd to please. Keep the games and features coming and we're pleased to spend more time with you. Fail at that and we're not likely to go anywhere but at least you'll hear about us.

No sarcasm involved or intended, though - it's often a case of a gamer owning all three consoles but hearing the same apologies from them all: "Sorry that we didn't do as good on X as company Y" - simply adapt or (preferably) keep on emphasizing what you're truly good at and gamers will follow.

EldonTLH

*any ps3 games to be released in fall

mcool93

@ShirtGuyDom:

Actually, my point is that whatever games you mentioned isn't the must-have games that GT5 and FF13 are, and those will release in 2009. As far as fall lineup goes, Gears of War 2 is bigger than any PS3 games.

mcool93

@slomo788: I do like his honesty but I also find that the amount of talking he's done on both the competition and admitting fault with there own console to be a little suspicious. I'm currently guessing it's a publicity stunt and a way to try and convince people Sony have changed. Before people moan I do believe Sony has changed for the better but no I don't think it's all genuine. When they prove it by reducing localisation time for europe (which is one of the things this guy said) then I'll believe them.

Llost

@Seiven: I can not count the number of times I've quit a game on the PS3 to:

check message from friend.

reply to message.

wait for response.

give up and start game again.

receive reply.

wash, rinse, repeat.

rotcepsurt

@Grimmjow Jeagerjaques: It's not really so hard to admit, it's been delayed several times and each new showing offered little new so the project had always been either in trouble or not concentrated on enough. People who constantly spout the delays = better game excuse are partly in denial since it's often not the case. This was an obvious thing and it doesn't take balls of steel to admit it, all it takes is a good level of honesty, it's not like it's a troubling thing. No ones going to sell a PS3 for this and no ones going to miss buying one for it.

Llost

@ego531:

they said that they couldnt make it work. he desires more than anything for more ads not less. its pretty obvious by the tone of the interview.

Sonovius

Well, one hopes, anyway.

ego531

This is a good step away from the indiscriminate use of in-game advertising. Relevant advertising will flourish, but overrunning games with unrelated ads is obviously not going to work.

ego531

@DARTH_TIGRIS: Why not? He didn't say they would drop ads altogether, just that they would focus also on games/activities also.

slomo788

@DARTH_TIGRIS:
it better...or no one will be using it

Seiven

So does everyone still think this will remain completely FREE?

DARTH_TIGRIS

@rotcepsurt: or you have to back ALL the way out of a game to check a message tells you that you got while in the game.

imagine if email worked this way?

*message pops up on screen*
"You've got mail"

*user must close all programs he has open*

*opens the message from his desktop*

*reads message*
"WTF? NO I DON'T NEED ANY FUCKING VIAGRA"

Seiven

Reeves must have Balls of Steel to admit this.

Grimmjow Jeagerjaques

@mcool93: I have no idea how someone can say that with a straight face.

Fallible

@chrisgriner: I agree with your opinion.

@usfslacker: Yeah, it's a bit shooter-heavy, but I like shooters.

I'm kinda surprised about how few people know about Infamous. You know Sucker Punch? The guys behind Sly Cooper? Infamous is their first jump into next-gen. Here:

[ps3.ign.com]

@IronsUK: Aren't we all.

ShirtGuyDom

@karateka: It's about having an integrated online communication system across all games. Right now to meaningfully communicate with someone playing a different game on the PS3 you need a computer with a messenger client and/or a cell phone.

rotcepsurt

@Llost: I see what you mean. Just saying "I fucked up" is not enough. There are plenty ways for them to make PS3 the ultimate choice for gamers and they know them all. They just have to work on it right now.

slomo788

@ShirtGuyDom: What can I say? I'm a fussy gamer I guess.

IronsUK

I really like this shift in attitude from Sony. I might even pick up a PS3 now when MGS4 gets released. The stimulus rebate check makes it so tempting....

jrcbandit

@B1ooDshOt: If I had a quarter for everytime I heard that, then I'd be fricking rich.

Now if Sony actually did have a service like LIVE and I had a penny for how many people stated how PSN copied LIVE then I'd be richer vs the first thing I said about quarters.

Wow, I kind of confused myself for a moment.

goldwings

A far as I can tell, PS3 and 360 game listers are constantly padding their own list and undercutting the other. They both have great line-ups this year and "honest" opinions that one line-up is better than the other is pointless prodding, they're both nearly equal.

robbo_the_hood

i still can't believe that still till this day, the ps3 doesn't have in-game XMB and a better functioning online service, it's unbelievable really. they should just have a service like LIVE, it would have solved all their problems.

B1ooDshOt

ok, maybe I'm just a bit confused here. Sony is telling consumers that they're trying to correct past mistakes and that's a problem? People are complaining? I don't understand. I WISH Nintendo would listen to our cries of despair and fury and get rid of the retarded friend codes and release a HDD.

I really don't understand this mentality of "you get what you pay for" in regards to PSN. If this logic was completely true then what does that say about a $400 console that is notorious for RRoD? You get what you pay for indeed.
Now let's be a bit more reasonable here. Sony wants Home to be more gamer centered which is a awesome thing. I certainly don't want Home to be nothing more than an extension of the Sims. Kudos to Sony I says.

Furthermore, why are people still talking as if PS3 doesn't have a good library? Too many people are talking out of their ass if they believe MGS4 is the ONLY great game coming or available for PS3. That mentality is the same flawed logic (read: fanboyism) that leads people to believe that RRoD is ok because MS bullshitted the fanbase with an extended warranty instead of admitting exactly what the problem is and doing a recall. Then to slap consumers in the face with inconsistent Consumer Service is not what I'd call "taking care of you."
What's the point of having a console with a huge library if the console can't be trusted to run? So let's not throw stones here. 360 sure as hell isn't the poster child for reliable hardware or great consumer service and last I checked, MS lost over 5 billion on the Xbox division and just recently started turning a profit.

Sony making strides to make the PS3 all it can be is ALL good. MS and Nintendo would do well to follow this example.

end rant/

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@DigitalHero: im on board as well. im def sarting to see the silver lining for 2008 and beyond

@DARTH_TIGRIS: their online offering has always been free. if they charge for home, it would put a kink in the armor. but i see where you are getting at, with them not dealing with sponsors. i think that will happen, its just that HOME and game integration is getting first priority.... im down with that.

zanzibarlegend

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.:

I disagree. RRoD affects a percentage of people for a short time. No in-game xmb affects every PS3 owner who likes multiplayer, every time they try to play multiplayer.

robinandtami

@karateka:

Most of the 100 people on my friend's list were strangers to me as well; until XBL made it easy for me to make them friends. Now I have people on my friend's list that I have played games with since Halo 2 (four years now.) It is much more fun and more rewarding to play team based multiplayer games with people that you know and are used to strategizing with; and there is just no easy way to do that on the PS3.

robinandtami

@robbo_the_hood: are you serious? I just gave examples of each company and areas they could improve. Nintendo - HDD support and the total elimination of FCs

MS-total elimination of RRoD

this isn't a pissing contest to see who's worse off. it's about which company is making strides to correct obvious issues

Sony is admitting they blew it. Regardless of whether you like Sony or not, that's a awesome way to start change.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Llost: first of all, old flame isn't old when people as early as this week are STILL affected by RRoD. So I disagree with you there.

2, I stress RRoD because that's a problem that should have never existed in the first place. That was the finally straw that made me turn my back on 360. No flame, not trolling, that a simple fact for me and many others for a console that is supposed to be reliable but isn't. MS should have did everything possible to correct that mistake, not put a bandaide on it and say "we're taking care of you" I disagree with you there.

Last but definitely not least...all consoles don;t lose money immediately as Nintendo redefined that logic with Wii which has been profitable since day one. If you do some research you will see that Nintendo was ready for the Wii to be a failure selling less than GC. But Nintendo designed Wii in such a way that even if they only sold 15 million units all told, there would have been a profit connected to each sale. In other words, Nintendo has been making money hand over fist since launch making Hiroshi Yamauchi the richest man in Japan. so I disagree with you there.

You come at me but I sat here and read the comments thus far and people are still talking about "PS3 doesn't have a library" and "PSN sucks online" which is a total generalization by people that probably never played the best the PS3 has to offer online or off. So don't tell me about flamebait and trolls when this thread is full of them. You did notice I said..."don't throw stones" right? You do know what that means right.

Give me a break. for the record again...RRoD is a much bigger offense than no in-game crossbar.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

It's nice to see Sony finally saying they fucked up. It only took record PS3 sales to do it.

DefDealer

@robinandtami: I guess you got some good points there. I don't play with friends...I just play with strangers...so I never had that issue with the ps3. I only know few people with ps3, but there are a lot of strangers. :)

karateka

@robbo_the_hood: AMEN I am tired of fanboy syndrome...I have owned all 3 and currently own every system but a 360. They all have issues and each has merits.

Hell I have had the least problems with my DS...does that make it superior to the PS3 or 360? NO

consumers need to realize that no matter how devoted they are to a particular system or company...the company only sees them as revenue. Play what you like, but dammit don't try to sell a gaming system as a piece of home theater equipment.

Seiven

@B1ooDshOt: @B1ooDshOt: I'm not sure what you are talking about, but online game is not a problem, and we don't have to pay for it. I fail to see how live is better.

karateka

sony finally realizes we want games for our ps3's almost two years in? that's great.

sony finally realizes we want to launch our games from a second life simulator? that's stupid.

how about less money and resources devoted to home (yeah i know you guys are looking at making a killing on advertising through home) and more money and time to new game ip's.

i'm really not interested in walking around in a virtual world, spending 'real' money on some virtual ikea furniture to decorate my virtual apartment. i already spend enough real money in the real world supporting my family to keep a real roof over their heads.

we are not all teens and tweens wanting to live out a virtual life, play virtual psps and talk on virtual phones.

alot of us are adult gamers wanting to play real games on our real ps3's.

kneehighspy

@karateka:

Lack on in-game xmb is the biggest reason my PS3 is *just* a blu-ray player.

It's not about music, although that is a feature that I use on the 360. It's about making multiplayer games playable. I can't even begin to imagaine how difficult it would have to be to get a party of 10-12 friends together to play a private match, when you have to LEAVE THE GAME every time you want to invite someone, or listen to/send a message. It would probably be impossible to pull it all together without having access to your friends list while you are in the game lobby. Yet on the 360, I play private matches with a dozen friends almost every night. It's easy, and it's fun.

robinandtami

@Striderhayasa
Microsoft and Nintendo have been setting the example in several fields, while Sony has been setting them in others. Don't pretend for a moment that each console doesn't have problems. I also don't want to hear a plea for which console has the least problems or that some problems aren't important etc.

robbo_the_hood

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: People aren't complaining at Sony, they're waiting to see if they do actually show change rather than just admit fault.

No need to troll about old flame bait like RROD. Basically people are saying the Xbox live service is better and because your paying for it you expect it to be better, simple as.

I'll agree there since currently there's like 9 games I want for PS3. Twice you've mentioned RROD, seems like your just trying to get a rise, what P*ssed on you today? All consoles lose money immediately and MS also lost the last console war so that's where some of the losses started. Reliability of the 360 is a problem but it is being fixed.

Llost

Dear MR. Reeves,

I don't care so long as you keep online multiplayer along with basic Home features FREE. In the mean time go gather more sponsors.

doing

@IronsUK: I don't think you're asking for just "3 or 4" games you can't have on 360. Because otherwise you would own the PS3. Perhaps you meant, 3 or 4 games that cater to you?

For me, stuff like Uncharted, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Resistance sold me. Of course the amount of exclusive stuff hitting this year (MGS woot) has me floored.

sascha23

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: It's an old point that's been done to death, we know there's RROD. It's no different to people still saying PS3 has no games, for some people it will and for others it won't. Why not let the RROD'd worry about it instead?

Final straw? What was the first one? Apart from RROD nothing is wrong with the 360, it's got more exclusive FPS, RPG and fighting games than the PS3. I never said they shouldn't sort it out, I think they should and my point on sorting it out was about future chips making it not occur rather than the warranty which I admit isn't good enough if you've had RROD more than once.

Nitnendo is an exception though, and that was only managed by creating the console as a budget one and not a top end machine which most console manufacturers aim for. I can't comment on whether PSN sucks and I have said that PS3 has good games before so I'm not going after everyone who says everything dumb. You can't just say RROD along with several other derogatory points like MS doesn't listen and expect people to forget it because you say don't throw stones. What's the point in saying that when you already threw stones anyway?

It's not exactly awesome, admitting a problem is a lot easier than solving it. When they solve it I'll be happy with them.

Llost

@robinandtami: but the reality is PSN stll gives you p2p and dedicated server support, in game chat, in game text, stat tracking and friends lists. So even without in-game crossbar support every PS3 owner can still get online, find matches, host matches, chat ingame and check stats. What PSN doesn't offer is exactly what you said...in game XMB support. But that doesn't make the service broken by any stretch when I can still find my friends online, play with them, talk with them and host.

RRoD is worse because you can never truly relax and enjoy the great things 360 does offer without worrying about if "today is going to be the day the reaper comes for my 360" With GTAIV making the rounds and Gears of War2 coming, that's a MAJOR concern and will be on the mind of every 360 owner looking to have a marathon session on their 360

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

lets face the facts, (PS3 owner).

Live is in a place where PSN needs to be. if HOME takes off, and in-game communications comes to fruition, then PSN will be neck in neck. Sure PSN isnt exactly nirvana... but its damn better than it was when it launched. we can't deny that.

zanzibarlegend

@robinandtami:
For playing with a group of friends or against a group of friends it's cool, but if you have a group of friends and you play a group that isn't as organized, wouldn't that put the game out of balance. I see this in warhawk, when a clan get together and they get on the same team...there's no way the other team have a chance, they work too well together.

karateka

@Llost: wrong topic sorry, I'm not paying attention

Llost

+ Watch video

Lets hope it's dark and violent. This 'taking itself seriously' stuff sounds cool to me, I want to see the street fighter characters get in some real bloody, knuckle smashing fights. Why not anyway, we've already lost the boobs.

Llost

I don't know why people are surprised.

All this honestly lately is clearly part of their "master plan" they announced a few months ago.

scottyman218

To bad they aren't concentrating on gamers by releasing more decent games. I'm a gamer and want nothing to do with Home, it's a completely inefficient means to see if my friends are online and to form parties to play games.

spcmnspf

@robinandtami: are you serious? it's the exact same way of making friends as you do on xbl. Play game with someone, send them friend invite. Now depending on the game you can invite them from in the game, or afterwards you can invite them from your met players on your buddy list.

PS3 just needs an in game buddy list. Not even the whole XMB (settings would be nice to manage usb/bluetooth accessories). Just let me private chat while in games and answer incoming messages in games. Right now my 360 exists for private chatting while I play on my ps3 lol.

Derigor

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: Well your just being a pussy in my opinion, my 360 has RROD'd 1 time (and then one incident where it RROD'd but I just restarted it and it worked again) and I don't worry about it at all. I can see why you might worry about getting RROD'd so don't buy it but if you already have the console then not using it is like it being RROD'd anyway since you get no use out of it. Suck it up and play the bugger.

You know all games do use the analogue too so you can easily just use the analogue instead of the d-pad but for arguments sake I do prefer the 360 D-pad (which has 8 directions) over the PS3 one which only has 4 and an equally clumbsy detection of an attempt to use a diagnol move.

Is dual analogue just using both analogue sticks? Because you can do that on the 360.

I can understand your dislike of the interface, some interfaces are just bad and if you dislike it then it can get irriating. Bear in mind Home is intended to be advertising centric so a small ad on the side here and there is not going to be as bad as the Home ad storm. I like the themes on PS3 too though.

I find the 360 much better for FPS and I also find it fine for fighters if you use the analogue stick but the D-pad is no worse than the PS3 pad in my opinion. I can see where your coming from though since you do prefer the D-pad on the PS3.

I can see that then but I really do object to the dual analogue thing (if it's just using two analogue sticks like I think).

I believe they've changed for the better apart from the lack of BC still which was a cool addition but a severe loss they've incurred from lack of realistic pricing.

Llost

@Llost:
Just a point of order.The only transaction on PSN will be for games,dlc for existing games.
There won't be charges for themes,avatarrs,wallpaper,trailers or the like.
Of course you don't have to buy any or download any. I knew what you were saying.Just wanted to make that clear to folks:)

enewtabie

@Datheron: Well I have a 360 too and I know it can get loud but
- unless your such an irritable person that something like a little bit of noise from a console makes you not want it then it's not really a problem I'd worry about.
- The DRM is bad but that only affects people with RROD 360's that have been refurbished. Mine RROD'd but was fixed without being refurbed or whatever so I kept everything I had on it.
- There's microtransactions on the PS3 too, infact microtransactions are only additional content, if you want it buy it and if you don't then leave it. You shouldn't expect free stuff and additional stuff is better than having nothing.
- Yeah the proprietary hardware is bad I'll admit, but so is having to buy over priced Wii-motes and having to buy the Wii mote and nunchuck seperately along with buying other stuff like the zapper just to make it more accurate. They all cost money in different ways (PS3's being the upfront cost of paying more and more expensive controllers and games)
- I don't find there customer service so bad, my 360 RROD'd only once and I managed to get it sorted quite easily.

So you let a wheel destroy a console? I can understand why you might not want to use it much but there's still good games out and coming out on the 360 so why get rid of it cos of a wheel? Well since there's good games (the only reason you'd buy a console really) and good online service (further expanding the gaming side) it's a great games console and it just depends on if you split hairs or not on the RROD issue.

Llost

@Datheron: see, you bring up some good points but I didn't dive deep enough to even get that in depth with the console. When I got my 360 I was trying to find those A+ games that would make me love the console and I found them. but I wanted the better controls, I wanted options...I didn't get them.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Llost: Like I mentioned to robinandtami...anyone at any given time can be a RRod'd as you put it. that's the problem. You don't know when your 360 will brick on you. I don't like that feeling of uncertainty while I'm playing.

To answer your other question (which is a good question BTW) RRoD was the final straw but I didn't like

360 D-pad which made playing fighting games nigh impossible as one of the worse D-pads ever conceived. I had to learn to use the analog stick to play VF5 and was good with it until I made the mistake of going back to the PS3 version. Better controls for the PS3 version because it has a better D-pad but 360 gets online and more extras..."sigh" just can't win with that game.

360 has great FPS support, but unfortunately, PS3 has Splitfish and with UT3, m/kb support. Dual analog with FPS games is too gimped for me to enjoy. So one of the 360's greatest genres is rendered useless to me because of dual analog and auto aim.

this is minor but I'll add it since you asked...I never liked the "Blades" or the Live layout overall. I don't like the ads, I don't like the colors schemes. I like the PSN layout because it's more elegant and I like the themes you can get for it and what it does to the PS3 layout. Live has better functionality overall of course, but I've never liked the 360 layout.

Now...try to see it from my perspective. I like FPS games, but can't play them on 360. I love fighting games but can't play them on 360 (yes, i bought and tried a number of controllers but they all seem to have a busted D-pad). Two of my favorite genres...removed from the equation. There are games I would love to play on 360...Gears of War2, Halo 3, Mass Effect...but without an alternative to dual analog...I'm stuck.

I tried to like the 360 but had to accept the fact that it wasn't for me.

...back on topic. I believe the changes that Sony has made to the PS3 since launch is a good indicator that they're serious when they say..."we screwed up and are working on it"

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Llost: Not claiming to speak for Strider here, but as a 360 owner who's also recently turned his back to the console, I can list a few things which were initially wrong w/ the 360 even without the RRoD's:

- Obnoxiously loud DVD drive
- Crappy DRM for downloaded content
- Microtransactions, not just on game DLC but stuff like themes
- Proprietary hardware (HDD's, wireless adapters, battery packs...)
- Terrible customer service

For me it wasn't even returning my 360 with an RRoD that was the last straw; it was having my 360 racing wheel retrofitted because of potential overheating (!!!) issues, having MS customer service lose the wheel, and then having them deny even returning the non-retrofitted wheel back to me. If anything, games + online play are the only right things going for the 360; they have so much they need to improve on, hopefully for the last gen.

Datheron

this is quite a difference from statements in 2006 "'We have built up a certain brand equity over time since the launch of PlayStation in 1995 and PS2 in 2000 that the first five million are going to buy it, whatever it is, even it didn't have games,' Reeves told Computer and Video Games in an interview".
mmm, humble pie

jdmwhitey

@Datheron: It's not a defense of MS, I hate MS Sony and Nintendo because they are all greedy companies but I have already admitted that the warranty is not sufficient for people who receive recurringly. I also admitted people may not like the interface, all your points are mostly RROD related though (like the DRM) so unless your console RROD's these arguments don't even apply. And the amount of consoles that will RROD is being reduced.

To bicker over something like Microtransactions is a moot point though because you don't need that extra stuff. I do agree MS hasn't done everything right though and I did also agree on the proprietary hardware issue.

Llost

@Llost: Eh, well, you're definitely going into full 360-defense mode here, and so many of the arguments have been rehashed that I won't bother to respond to most of them. Just b/c all the consoles do it wrong doesn't excuse MS from their incompetence.

But on the point that I shouldn't throw away the console b/c of mishaps w/ a wheel, I will say that customer service plays a big part in my purchasing decisions, especially for electronics which break (in the 360's case, are expected to break even). It's funny how people claim XBL follows the "you get what you pay for" model, yet paying for pricey peripherals and consoles do not warrant me to good customer service, most of which came from bad hardware design and rushed release schedules.

Datheron

@Derigor: Yeah well my 360 exists for privating chatting while I play games on my 360, yes my 360 does everything, counter-lol

As soon as I get it back from Texas. *looks at tracking slip*

Xiedo

@Derigor:

If you do own both, then you know it's not exactly the same; not even close. It's a huge pain in the ass to have to exit the game that you are playing in order to send someone an invite to that game. The pisser is that if Sony hadn't been wasting so much time on Home, they would probably have in-game XMB which for most people would probably be far more useful.

robinandtami

@thegunshow: If you've actually read half my posts I do want a PS3. They're cool, they have more value for money, more reliable and it's got lots of games coming out I want (Disgaea 3, Valkyrie chronicles, Cross edge, Tekken 6, FFXIII, MGS4 etc.). I defend the 360 when people insult, I criticize the PS3 when I hear people say 360 has no games etc.

If your going to waste your time bitching at odd posters then why not atleast post on the topic? Your not even on subject while atleast I'm just expressing my opinion.

Llost

@Llost: What do you know, it's Mr. 360 defender on a PS3 related article again. Give it up man, just buy a PS3 already, you know you want to.

thegunshow

I realize that someone said this before, but it has to be reiterated: Sony realized that they were making a mistake before they launched the service and delayed it to fix the problem and the comments somehow degenerated into a PSN vs XBL flamewar which further decomposed to a PS3 vs 360 flamewar...

Look, it's simple. Each console as problems:

-The 360 suffers from a lower build quality (not even addressing the RROD, the overall way the system is designed feels a little cheap. Probably because of the amount of empty space coupled with the thin plastic on the outside case). But makes up for it with a currently stronger lineup of games and great online service.

-The PS3 has a comparatively worse online service (but it's by no means in the same league as is the atrocity that is Nintendo's online play.) But makes up for it in being more compliant to technology standards (standard 2.5" SATA drive, standard USB mini for charging, and standard power cord). A year ago I'd probably be saying something about PS3's lack of good games, but looking at LittleBigPlanet, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Resistance 2 it looks like they've solved that problem.

Every console this generation has its strengths and weaknesses. Personally I only have about 3 "console exclusives" for the 360 (Bioshock, Mass Effect, and Halo 3) and I'll probably get at least LBP, MGS4, and R2 for the PS3. They're all (or at least they look like) fantastic games and with that I'd like to end my little rant on console comparison and say how nice it is to finally have a company exec willing to come out and say that they fucked up and are taking measures to fix it... Now if they'd only hurry up with ingame XMB.

Cake_Eater

I love it when I read yet another "I'm in the Home Beta!" claim. Reminds me of that ex-SAS C-i-C who said "To date around 500 people have claimed to be ex-SAS and a member of the Iranian Embassy squad".

DelSource

@Llost: Uh, one of my points was related to the RRoD - the DRM issue - and really it's an issue that is exposed by the RRoD; it's always been intrusive and crappy to begin with, and you'd hit upon its limitations even w/ an RRoD'ed console when you, say, switch your hard drive, try to log in to another console w/ your gamertag, etc.

As for microtransactions, "you don't need it" isn't much of a defense; you can say that about any feature on the system! Looking at how Sony & PC gaming has paved the way for customizable interfaces and avatars, it's sad to see that MS recognizes the desire to customize, but greed got in the way and put price tags on the entire system.

And ultimately I think that sums up what I feel about Microsoft. I can understand Nintendo's strategy of catering to casuals via unique hardware, and I can similarly appreciate Sony's efforts to publish interesting "off-the-wall" games even as the HD format wars left a bad taste in my mouth. Microsoft is all about overcharging the customer for really just standard features (hello $80 wifi adapter), marketing to the lowest common denominator (hello Halo 3 ad blitz), and turning their backs to the customer when it comes time to support their own products (need I spell it out?).

I guess in one word, Microsoft's strategy is juvenile.

Datheron

@Heywoodjabloume:

Who has had to do without their 360 for over two years due to RRoD? Are you telling me you know someone that got an RRoD on launch day and STILL hasn't gotten their 360 back yet? Of course you don't. Don't act like you didn't understand what I was saying.

None of the consoles are failure free, although the Wii does seem to have the lowest failure rate. I prefer to use the console with the most features and the highest enjoyment factor, and for me that is the 360. If my 360 fails, I'll get it fixed. If it's out of warranty, I'll buy a new one. I have a PS3 and other than playing blu-rays and swapping out the wallpaper, I've not gotten any enjoyment from it. Your experience may differ.

robinandtami

@robinandtami:
A short time? Wow, over two years is a short time to you?

Not being able to invite friends from in game would piss me off, not being able to PLAY ANY games, for weeks at a time, sometimes with two or three machines in a row would make me SOMEONE ELSE'S CUSTOMER!

Heywoodjabloume

@Seiven: Just curious, why don't you have a 360 anymore?

Heywoodjabloume

@robinandtami:
I understood you, but I meant from the standpoint of Micrsoft, not really acknowledging the problem for almost two years. (you think they didn't know they had a major problem?) That box should have never made it through internal testing.

That to me was the same as Sony not addressing the DRE errors on the PS2, that pissed me off to no end.

As far as the 360, I have a lot of friends who loves theirs, and there are games I would like to play, but none worth putting up with the hassle.

My experience does not differ that much from yours. I only have about 5 PS3 games, and I play my PS2 much more still.

I am putting a lot of faith in this by supporting them now, and they better get off their ass and start pushing out some good games. I owned about 150 PS2 games, 80% of which I would play through more than once and still pick up and play today. That's what I want for my new system.

Heywoodjabloume

I'm confused, I thought that Playstation Home itself was deserting gamers.

Rogue Justice

Unified friends list & cross game invites.

Or Bust!

string_theory

I'll definitely check home out, but I honestly really don't care. I'd like to see a more snappy lite version that delivers the features without the virtual world nonsense.

Replica23

How'd your PS3 break, Mike? Did you drop it down some stairs? Cause that's the only way you can stop a PLAYSTATION3 from working. Tee-hee.

@robbo_the_hood: No seriously though, name a few great 360 2008 releases other than Gears 2 and Fable 2. And Ninja Gaiden 2 doesn't count because no one actually buys or plays that on account of its developer (yes, that middle-aged dracula) being a dick, who's trying to prove something.

cheeses

Hey you guys. If you really want somthnig from sony go onto the PlayStation Forums and tell them about it.

DeathBeforeDishonor