@justhesh:

Maybe, but I dont recall MS paying out the ass to get those songs, do you? You cant speculate that MS will win in the long run until you know what the DLC is and how much its going for. Simple as that.

Sparx

@justhesh:

Never have I had an experience on PSN that was worse than LIVE, nor better. Only those obsessed with gamerscores and stats would find LIVE better.

globones

@globones:

but free online gaming caused problems for the PSN GTA multiplayer.

mcool93

I'll wait for the numbers. Until then, it's just talk.

DocBacca

@Sparx: Because Guitar Hero song packs were too expensive (and people proceeded to buy them like they were Google stock).

justhesh

@globones: Yes, they pay for it because they're dumb, not because they find the service to be better than that of the competitors to the point of finding the fee negligible.

Here's an example of what one of the competitors has been offering for GTA IV. In this case, free online gaming has been for the loss.

justhesh

@Lanhoj:

Again, you are speculating. Of course MS will get a boost in LIVE, they packed in a 1 month free subscription. Its if those people remain after that month is over is what counts. Besides, how do you know their invested payout will cover the $50 million price tag? Lets not be too hasty here.

Sparx

@globones: My time on the Playstation Network has made me happy I can pay for a service as good as Live.
Peer to peer FTW. Developers needing thier own servers means I can't play games like Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistance online anymore cause they shut them down which is a bit annoying(seriously that games been out only a couple of years), but if I want to go back and play Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow or Mechassault it'll still be available online.

fearing

@globones: No worries. I think he's right though - Microsoft has a lot more to gain over time than the PS3 due to the structure of XBL. Whether people like XBL/the 360 or not, that much seems obvious.

Captain Impulse

Glad to know that I contributed to Sony saying this... I wish I could ask them how they like my $60, but I think they said it already! "further drive PS3 hardware sales."

WickedOrange

@Captain Impulse:

We must protect this house!!

Sorry for the harsh comment.

globones

Don't do it Apollo! Ivan's gonna kill you!

Pezdispenser

@globones: Whoa buddy, he's simply making an observation. Don't make it personal.

Captain Impulse

@mx5: Looks like Sony's disputing the 2:1 ratio. I'm interested to see the NPD numbers now.

Captain Impulse

@Lanhoj:

Until 360 owners wise up and realize they shouldn't have to pay for online gameplay. Free online gaming FTW. You sir, are epic fail.

globones

@Lanhoj "I'm sure the 360 version of GTA IV will outsell the PS3's version. but even if they sell the same number of copies, Microsoft still wins":

Looks like here is the marketing reply from the other side of the fence "360 GTA IV Outselling PS3 Version 2-to-1"
[www.next-gen.biz]

mx5

I'm sure the 360 version of GTA IV will outsell the PS3's version. but even if they sell the same number of copies, Microsoft still wins.

1) they will up LIVE subscriptions

2) they will sell MS points for DLC

Sony gets a one-time payout, but Microsoft gets the initial pay-out like Sony, plus 3 times later one: LIVE and at least 2 future DLC packs.

So when it comes to who will come out on top in terms of GTA IV both short and long term, sorry Sony but ... Microsoft FTW

Lanhoj

Sony calls reduced resolution with a blur filter on top anti-aliasing? ROTFL ... tomorrow those marketing guys will start claiming it can turn everythinh into gold too ... LOL

mx5

I cant wait for the overall numbers that thread will be a huge flame fest

lifeinthefridge

@Bluecell:Well, I wouldn't say murdered. Outsold, maybe but that's just logic. Murdered? Hardly. Besides, it's impossible to know who won what since they both were outsold almost everywhere.

slomo788

@ocalot: You're both wrong, it's going to be a picture of Junior's robot servant.

justhesh

@spargo_1: maybe because the ps3 has nowhere to go but up?

droopy

@Samos42: Agreed. To me it seems like a microtransaction that's evolved into its ultimate form.

Captain Impulse

@Bluecell: I thought the Nintendo post would have a carebear picture instead.

ocalot

Yay, Seems Pleased post. I don't get this one though. Why is Prologue such a big deal though is what I don't understand. I mean, to me, it sounds like a $40 preview of GT5 which kinda seems like a rip-off to me. Can't wait til June 12th though to get my PS3.

Samos42

Honestly I'm more interested in overall-game sales. NA and national. :D

Vidril

Blah blah blah, where are the numbers?

BlackDove

Is it me or does Patcher always had a slight... preferance to Playstation? Hmm.. Mans got good taste =D

spargo_1

I'm willing to bet the Microsoft Responds to GTA Sales, Seems Pleased post will have a pic of Ivan Drago because 360 sales murdered the PS3 sales.

And the Wii Responds to GTA Sales, Seems Pleased post will have a picture of My Little Pony because it won't make any sense.

Bluecell

What GTA sales? Has there been an official announcement?

slickchris7777

@Samos42: "Yay, Seems Pleased post. I don't get this one though. Why is Prologue such a big deal though is what I don't understand. I mean, to me, it sounds like a $40 preview of GT5 which kinda seems like a rip-off to me. Can't wait til June 12th though to get my PS3."

... and a copy of GT5 Prologue! They made a new rule: no PS3-buying without a copy of GT5 Prologue! BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

PlayerX

There's still plenty of meat on that bone. Now you take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato. Baby, you've got a stew!

futurebiblehero

I just noticed the clock in Niko's apartment is the actual time in the game. Small details abound!

PlayerX

three letters... N. P. D.

until those numbers come in, talk is cheap .

zanzibarlegend

@mcool93:

and charged online caused problems back in december. Or did we forget that?

Sparx

@Captain Impulse:

Someone asked why "Prologue" was such a big deal. That person clarified that it was a Gran Turismo game and to offer a comparison he is saying that GT games are huge sellers. Ultimately it's like asking why is "Halo 3: Prologue" selling so well? It just shouldn't have to be asked due to the franchises immense popularity.

LittleBigPlaneteer

Is anyone else fed up of the fucking cell phone? Every two fucking seconds, some asshole is calling me to go do something because they're lonely.

FUCK. I have cats for that.

PlayerX

@Hatchetforce: What does Halo have to do with this?

Captain Impulse

@Samos42:

Prologue is a big deal because it is GT. And remember, every GT game ever made outsold every HALO game ever made.

Hatchetforce

A lot of my UK friends seems to have bought the PS3 version, while most US friends have bought 360. I think when all the numbers come out, they will reflect this. Hell even if they don't, it's just as creditable as what both Microsoft and Sony have been saying so far.

Either way, 70 - 90% of my friends that are online and playing a game on the PS3 and the X360 are playing this game. I think we are going to see some DLC for the PS3 down the road as well just because it's so popular on both platforms. It might even be the same X360 content released a few months later (hmm, the world is starting to reverse itself!).

DeeBG

It only makes sense GTA would push more PS3 hardware than 360. The 360 has already had it's major titles after all in Halo 3 and Gears. If people are buying the title for 360 it's likely because they already have a 360. Add on the fact that worldwide the PS3 GTA sales will likely trump 360 given Europe and 'Other'.

Mongoosekun

Sony is channeling Pachter in their press releases now. With him on their side how can they not win? ;-)

El-Suave

@spargo_1:

No, he is actually middle of the road. Not accurate mind you, just middle of the road.

Look at January where he predicted the 360 would top the PS3 in sales. That is only one of many instances where he favored the 360 only to find sales figures or trends disproved his opinion.

Hatchetforce

@Captain Impulse:

He asked why GT mattered. I gave that response as a way of showing how meaningful the GT series, even a partial title like Prologue, is to the sales/user base. That should be fairly obvious.

Quoting it in such terms rather than by mere numbers better defines the impact on the public as regards importance.

Hatchetforce

I'd hope it would sell better on 360, especially considering how often we here about its superior attach-rate and install base...in North America.

Replica23

Looks like it's Apollo Creed vs. Ivan Drago. We know who won that fight.

But for those who are uninformed. Drago beat down Apollo so badly that Apollo died during the match.

KM91

Let's wait for the numbers before we say anything.

neoraul20

@neoraul20: I agree, but just to be a little more specific, I want worldwide numbers.

Aiwokote

Yeah but just because Apollo died doesnt mean Ivan is cooler.

kingme

To me, just that the PS3 version's numbers are close to the 360 version's number is saying a lot considering the head start that the 360 had.

Looks like they sold out the original Xbox owners for nothing.

vamponymouse

Man's got a point, most people who love their gta came to love it in a ps2.

monkey_87