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Nintendo's Fischer Apologises For Geeks And Otaku Comment
Posted by Mike Fahey at 3:20 AM on June 14, 2008
It almost goes without saying, but Nintendo of Europe's managing director Laurent Fischer deeply regrets stating that "geeks and otaku" were the only people concerned about running out of space on their Nintendo Wii due to WiiWare and Virtual Console titles, comments that ticked off gamers and developers alike. Speaking to videogaming247, Fischer offered the following by way of apology.
"I have huge respect for those who, like me, share a common passion for Nintendo and want to make it clear that I would never use and I didn't use this terminology in such a context or way to cause offence," he said.
"I regret that this misunderstanding has created such offence and disappointment within the community."
You know, in all honesty "geek" and "otaku" are way low in the list of things I've been called that cause me offence, but I can certainly see how some people would get upset. As for Laurent, all I can say is always talk as if what you say is going to end up on the front page of a major gaming blog, because it generally is.
Exclusive: Nintendo's Laurent Fischer "regrets" geeks and otaku remark [videogaming247]

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Mister Adequate
Posted 6:13 AM 14/6/08
I absolutely am a geek, and I probably could be classed as something of an otaku, but the reason this comment bugged me was because he dismissed what seems to be a legitimate concern (I don't own a Wii) with a comment that suggested he thinks little of geeks and otaku. He didn't even man up and admit he had no answer to the question asked. Just insulted the people wanting an answer.
This is a lame apology that addresses none of the issues.
Mister Adequate
wild homes 5: treyarch attacks!
Posted 6:12 AM 14/6/08
His apology is weak. He doesn't even apologise, he just insists people misunderstood him.
Dear Nintendo, admit this guy fucked up. We didn't misunderstand. Thanks!
wild homes 5: treyarch attacks!
cowondinosaur
Posted 6:10 AM 14/6/08
The thing with calling people geek or otaku is that you're implying that they have nothing better to do and thus it rules their lives; i.e. losers. E.g. "geeks and otaku" were the only people who would want this issue addressed.
Hardcore gamers probably would like to think that they're choosing to play video games because they like doing that the most.
cowondinosaur
Nedge
Posted 6:09 AM 14/6/08
Fischer's "apology" makes it seem like he absolutely no idea as to why his comment pissed-off people. Being called a geek or an otaku is no problem (in fact some people are proud to be one). The real problem is the one Jaffe addressed. Nintendo has seemed to have shunned it's core demographic; the same demographic that has kept it alive all these years. The geeks and otaku have felt this way since the Wii came out. Fischer's comment just seemed to confirm what we all didn't want to believe.
Nedge
fuchikoma
Posted 6:08 AM 14/6/08
@Gitaroo_Dude:
When has anyone cared about hardcore gamers anyway? That's the illusion. It's not like Nintendo stole the gaming spotlight from the hardcore, they put gaming into the mainstream. The hardcore has never been known outside its own niche.
No one has cared about the "10 million of you." Hardcore gaming has eroded with the casual boom, but it makes money too, so it's not drying up any time soon.
And for gaming belonging on PC... matter of preference I guess. I've gamed on PC for as long as I could spell "games" (about 22 years ago) and always found it's good because of the volume of free games, but ever since I got my NES I'd never really looked back at PC as a primary gaming system, though I use it for any other conceivable form of data in or out.
fuchikoma
Strider-No.9
Posted 6:01 AM 14/6/08
P.S. I am a nerd.
P.S.S. I still want to play games off my SD.
Strider-No.9
Strider-No.9
Posted 6:00 AM 14/6/08
1) I'm tired of this "misunderstanding" there was no misunderstanding, implying so would make it seem like he didn't say what he really said when in fact he did. And 2) No its not a big deal either, he can say what he wants, get over it nerds. and 3) Kotaku posted this seemed upset and having getting a pseudo apply they say it was't that bad. No, it was not that bad but still call it like it is.
Strider-No.9
majatt
Posted 6:00 AM 14/6/08
I'll sound off with the rest of commenters. Fuck your apology, give the people what they want.
Although I still believe making games playable off the sd card would be a better first step.
majatt
Tull
Posted 5:55 AM 14/6/08
Red Foreman has just one thing to say about this person: "Dumbass!"
Tull
EmeraldDragon
Posted 5:48 AM 14/6/08
My feeling aren't hurt. I just can't help mavel at some of these slips.
EmeraldDragon
BudDudandSlash
Posted 5:35 AM 14/6/08
It's not just VC and WiiWare games too! Some games coming out have MONSTER save file requirements. Smash cost me around 130 blocks, Blast works is another 130, Wii Ski for some bizzare reason was 80.
So get like 15-20 games under you're belt and you're STOCKED.
Oh, and screw the refridgerator-SD card approach. It's annoying.
BudDudandSlash
FredQC
Posted 5:35 AM 14/6/08
@Shiryu: As you have said. I am a geek and I care about storage storage solutions on the Wii not PR talk. The real issue here is Laurent Fischer should have apologized that Nintendo didn't think it through when it launched WiiWare considering the Wii's limited storage memory... ...and then he should have announced they are working on a solution that will come before Christmas. Anything else is just PR damage control which is worthless to geeks.
FredQC
Krumm
Posted 5:34 AM 14/6/08
Haha common, if i didn't fire him for the first comment, i wold fire him for this lame apology attempt for sure. It clearly shows how he still doesn't understand what he did.
It's just a stunt to try and save face when someone grabbed him by the balls.
Failed, spectacularly.
Krumm
KM91
Posted 5:33 AM 14/6/08
I don't mind. I just look at the word geek as how it's defined:
geek-A person intensely interested in a particular field or hobby, generally at the expense of broader social interaction.
KM91
ssh83
Posted 5:31 AM 14/6/08
I pity the fanboys who are blind to the dark side of the big N.
ssh83
Billkwando
Posted 5:31 AM 14/6/08
I wanted to take umbrage to this comment all over again, but then I realized I'm sitting in the bathroom, reading Kotaku on my phone, while waiting for games to install on the larger Playstation 2 hard drive I just had delivered.
My wife then said she's surprised I'm not making a No More Heroes joke. So yeah.
Billkwando
MetaKz
Posted 5:29 AM 14/6/08
Reggie must've spanked him hard and told him to apologize.
Like that South Park ep. whenever we see this guy, I will now say "Heeeey, its that geek and otaku guy!"
MetaKz
pandafresh
Posted 5:17 AM 14/6/08
usually i'd take it as a compliment, but the way he said was meant to be offensive, so eff him.
pandafresh
Ryumeka
Posted 5:08 AM 14/6/08
"Dude, your wife is fat and ugly...no offense"
Ryumeka
Gitaroo_Dude
Posted 4:58 AM 14/6/08
Jesus, when are you "hardcore" gamers going to wake up to reality?
NEWSFLASH: Nintendo won. You all got crushed. You're irrelevant in the overall scheme of the world. No one cares about the 10 million of you.
You have all been wrong on every single prediction of the Wii.
Nintendo owes you nothing but spit on your acne-riddled faces.
And as they continue to disrupt the game market and move upstream, your precious "hardcore" games will continue to crumble.
Serious gaming will return to the PC where it belongs, and Nintendo will once again control the console market.
Cry more por favor.
Gitaroo_Dude
Daisuash
Posted 4:48 AM 14/6/08
Well, in Japan is disrespectful to call someone an otaku...
@AsWater: Yeah, i guess this guy is really an idiot in PR stuff...
Daisuash
fuchikoma
Posted 4:48 AM 14/6/08
@karasu is my homeboy:
True, and at this point he pretty much had to say something.
As for geek and otaku being insults... much like calling someone "you" with the wrong formality level in Japanese, the insult is in the delivery and context. If a friend called me these things, I'd be like "yeah, fair enough" but the original quote was dismissive of both as being irrelevant to them. Marginalized and unimportant.
I'm not burning with rage over it, but it was a tipping point. Until then I'd been trying to like the new Nintendo but largely being unsatisfied. Now I just feel like "well, they're not trying to entertain me, so why should I try to like them?"
fuchikoma
NateN
Posted 4:38 AM 14/6/08
In the end, as many people above has said, it doesn't matter that he called the customers geeks. I'm a geek, and I know it. I've even considered getting GEEK tattooed in big block letters on my body*, so you aren't going to hurt my feelings by calling me a geek.
What matters is that he was dismissive of his customers. Heck, if he said "We don't feel that this is a major point of concern at this time since only a small percentage of our customers are currently asking for it", THAT wouldn't have been a big deal. But when you are being dismissive and insulting to the customers who are buying lots of stuff from you and are asking for extra space to buy even MORE stuff from you that is pretty bad PR. I seriously doubt he's going to be fired for it, and I wouldn't expect him to be. But maybe next time he'll remember that he should stick to just saying nice things about his customers.
*Then I snapped out of it.
NateN
Do Kesubei
Posted 4:29 AM 14/6/08
Why apologize? Perhaps some insensitive nerd had his feelings hurt, but I'm sure he meant what he said. Most people agree with him, I'm sure.
Do Kesubei
Quilt
Posted 4:28 AM 14/6/08
Release a Wii hard drive and all will be forgiven.
Quilt
heretrix
Posted 4:26 AM 14/6/08
@rale: "this guy just made the mistake of speaking a little too plainly in public."
EXACTLY.
After he made his initial comment, I said he was a dumbass. I'd apologize, but it would mean just as much as his apology.
Why waste the time? I still think he's a dumbass for saying that and he still believes what he said. He's just being diplomatic.
heretrix
NoBullet
Posted 4:26 AM 14/6/08
Where's that Kotaku user now that kept saying Laurent Fischer didnt say "geeks and otaku"?
NoBullet
AsWater
Posted 4:25 AM 14/6/08
I don't see an apology.
And whats with the "misunderstanding". That sounds like hes saying WE misunderstood something.
AsWater
M
Posted 4:22 AM 14/6/08
He didn't actually apologize. He may regret what he said but it looks like he still stands by it.
M
Wolfers
Posted 4:17 AM 14/6/08
Dude, it wasn't the terminology that was offensive. Go ahead and reword it to "Only our most loyal fan-base wants a mass storage solution" and it doesn't sound any better. It was telling your closest fans to go fuck themselves that was surprising, not being called a geek/otaku.
Wolfers
CanaryWundaboy
Posted 4:15 AM 14/6/08
He can get stuffed. =/
CanaryWundaboy
rale
Posted 4:14 AM 14/6/08
I don't find being called a "geek" or "otaku" offensive, but the dismissive nature of the comments seemed rather unprofessional to me. Then again, this seems to be the prevailing attitude at Nintendo these days, and this guy just made the mistake of speaking a little too plainly in public.
rale
SoulBroRyu
Posted 4:12 AM 14/6/08
If this comment came from someone who I thought was remotely a "geek" or an "otaku", this wouldn't have bothered me in the least. But when coming from someone who you know the statement is coming from some cat that is nothing more than a corporate tool, who's experience with gaming probably doesn't extend further than playing Pong for five minutes and won't ever be able to relate to the most loyal of Nintendo's audience, it can come off quite hateful.
When it comes down to it, what so acidic about his statement is the context. This is an extreme example, but this might help make my point (or further confuse the matter): it's almost if someone from a race other than your own insulted you with a racial epithet. If the remark came from a person with the same ethnic background as you, it wouldn't be a fraction as polarizing as it would be coming from a racist.
This is nowhere on that level, but the concept is similar. You have an elitist referring to the loyal masses that have helped to build your company up in such a flippant manner. As if we suddenly don't matter, now that Nintendo is making money hand over fist and has the market saturated with their systems.
If this comment came from someone like Bill Gates or Steve Jobs, I would have laughed my ass off. But at least, they're self-admitted geeks like myself (although, I prefer to be a "square"). Coming from this jerk, however, is far from funny, and just comes off as condescending. He might have apologized, but it didn't seem sincere to me, nor, from what I've read, many folks here either.
I hope X-Play has him on to explain himself next week. That way Adam Sessler can grill him via satellite.
SoulBroRyu
Mezodon
Posted 4:05 AM 14/6/08
Not an apology... it's not an "I'm sorry," it's one of those "I'm sorry if I offended anyone" deals.
Mezodon
Fabrice
Posted 4:04 AM 14/6/08
Wait, wait, wait. The guy just basically said what everybody knew. Most Wii owners have 5-7 games tops and do not require extra space that a few SD cards wouldn't provide.
Besides we don't even know the context, maybe he was trying to put another point across and didn't think clearly on that one or simply avoided answering the question using a term which wouldn't involve the casual/hardcore traditional digg. I can see that was a silly thing to say but, jeez.
Fabrice
TechRat
Posted 4:03 AM 14/6/08
The fact that he used those terms in a dismissive statement makes them come across as condescending. "Oh never mind those 'geeks and otaku' as their needs aren't important" is essentially what he communicated. Then he denies that it was said in an offensive manner. That's not an apology, that's getting defensive.
I think Nintendo needs to issue a formal apology and repremand this guy. If they'd like to placate us with a USB storage solution, that wouldn't hurt either.
TechRat
What The Geek
Posted 4:01 AM 14/6/08
So he's using the Bart Simpson defense - saying "I didn't do it" when he clearly did. meh. I wasn't overly offended, but it does sorta go to show that Ninty isn't really in touch w/ gamers
What The Geek
Tetelestia
Posted 3:59 AM 14/6/08
It wasn't as offensive as it was just plain stupid. People want more space so they can buy more products and give you more money.
LOL? Bad idea?
Tetelestia
karasu is my homeboy
Posted 3:58 AM 14/6/08
@I_Hate_This_Place: Both issues are annoying, the fact that we can't get more storage and the fact that he thinks most people don't want storage, only obsessed gamers.
It's not the name that's bothersome, it's the fact that Nintendo believes they shouldn't have to conduct business for their "obsessed gamers." Sorry if you think we're obsessed geeks, but that's ok. You could give us what we're logically asking for, though. It's frustrating that they're saying, "More storage? Ha! Only nerds want more storage! So, no. No deal."
Well, even if they/we are nerds...we still want more storage...that's not a reason to not give it to us, and we're back at square 1. It's not really two separate issues heare. It's rolled into one.
karasu is my homeboy
excaliburps
Posted 3:57 AM 14/6/08
@KeroseneClimax: Agreed! And most probably got reprimanded by Nintendo. Do not piss of your consumer base is a common logic that I don't think he knows...
I personally am not offended if he thinks me or we are geeks or nerds or videogame dorks. Or game-tards or whatever. Hell, People from the outside probably think we are/ =)
Ny wife thinks so...She just can't complain because of my rugged manliness...That and my wang can be used as a club!
excaliburps
catapult37
Posted 3:57 AM 14/6/08
@yashichi8bit: @Lancehead:
Yep, not only not an apology, it's a bizarre, vaguely worded denial. For better or for worse, this guy is clearly working without a PR net.
catapult37
zoesch
Posted 3:56 AM 14/6/08
I love the smell of bullshit in the morning.
zoesch
dudereeno
Posted 3:54 AM 14/6/08
Meh, it's damage control.
Dude just wants to keep his job.
dudereeno
yashichi8bit
Posted 3:53 AM 14/6/08
This was not an apology
yashichi8bit
I_Hate_This_Place
Posted 3:52 AM 14/6/08
@Stevedroid: Exactly what I've said. Seriously, people get so wrapped up in the terminology used when it should be the message conveyed being looked at.
I_Hate_This_Place
wheelerca5
Posted 3:52 AM 14/6/08
i see no apology here. just a big fat 'i didn't do it.'
wheelerca5
(俗・ ) Grey Gecko
Posted 3:52 AM 14/6/08
Were is my hard drive? =(
(俗・ ) Grey Gecko
tabion20
Posted 3:51 AM 14/6/08
Well he can just kiss my hairy ass. I was called a geek for years. Years where dozens of people would daily laugh at me, intimidate me and physically assault me. So he can just go eff himself for all I care.
I hope that they fire his sorry ass, that his wife leaves him for her tennis coach and that his children spend the next 20 years working for some European prostitution ring.
tabion20
Stevedroid
Posted 3:50 AM 14/6/08
What's the bigger offense, the terminology, or the fact that they're disregarding the wishes of a particular user base as trivial?
Being called a geek or otaku isn't the problem, it's the implication that their opinions as customers don't matter.
Stevedroid
Foxstar Sixtail
Posted 3:44 AM 14/6/08
It didn't bother me, but unlike so many of the commenter's on this blog, my ass does not hurt based on what a marketing monkey may say. Just like it doesn't hurt when a CEO runs off at the mouth. None of these suits is a factor in my daily happiness.
And based on what someone who was there and heard him directly, he never even used the term geeks, he said "Only Otakus want more storage." which you know what? It's not all that incorrect.
We now get back to the snide comments, asshurt 'core' gamers and other jibber-jabber which will mean shit all in the grand plan of gaming sales and marketshare.
Foxstar Sixtail
Metropolis
Posted 3:44 AM 14/6/08
I readily define myself as geek. I don't understand why people would take offense over this.
Metropolis
KeroseneClimax
Posted 3:43 AM 14/6/08
A show of hands on who expected an ass covering follow-up statement after Fischer made himself sound like a douche in front of all those people. One persons joke can easily be misconstrued as an insult to another person, and there are far too many Nintendo supporters to take such a gamble. Hopefully, Laurent will be more careful in the future.
KeroseneClimax
karasu is my homeboy
Posted 3:40 AM 14/6/08
But he didn't say sorry.
He basically just said, "I'm sorry you guys took it that way. I'm sorry you feel that way."
No. Say, "I'm sorry."
And if you want to be really honest, say
"I'm sorry, but we know we're fucking wrong at Nintendo and it's hard to come up with excuses to disprove things that are right all the time. Friend codes keep you safe... Graphics barely matter for games... no one wants to store things! Play it, beat it, delete it! It's a tough life."
karasu is my homeboy
I_Hate_This_Place
Posted 3:38 AM 14/6/08
People must be hard of hearing or hard of understanding. I could care less some asshat called me a "geek" or a "otaku". What matters is that he blew off what customers really want(extra storage) in a way that was insulting to anyone who wants the extra storage. It wasn't the name-calling, it was being an asshole to your loyal customers because they want something to store their games on. But, lets continue to focus on the actual words used instead.
I_Hate_This_Place
Shiryu
Posted 3:37 AM 14/6/08
I don't want apologies, I want solutions:
[gonintendo.com]
Its a start...
Shiryu
Girricane
Posted 3:35 AM 14/6/08
Isn't it a "cool" thing now to be called a geek/otaku? I can only imagined he angered a group of "those people" who refuse to believe that waving a remote at a TV is geeky.
That being said, call me a geek and I'll punch you in the nose. I hire people to waggle my Wiis for me so as not to become "tainted."
Girricane
Guild_Navigator
Posted 3:34 AM 14/6/08
He can call me a geek all he wants if he gives me more storage space on my wii.
Guild_Navigator
Green-clad Gamer Dude
Posted 3:33 AM 14/6/08
Apology unaccepted.
Green-clad Gamer Dude
brokenscope
Posted 3:32 AM 14/6/08
What is he apologizing for? His attitude felt like it was inline with Nintendo's marketing strategy and customer focus.
brokenscope
Llost
Posted 3:32 AM 14/6/08
It's not that the terms are that offensive, as if someone called me a geek I'd not care. All it means is I'm smart and stay inside to play games and stuff a little, otaku isn't an insult except in japan where they're now considered a bit reclusive but even then they have a more offensive word for it (forgot what it was). The problem was that he singled us out and made it sound negative, he's probably just apologizing to save face but I don't believe he really does care about us.
Llost
tomsamson
Posted 3:31 AM 14/6/08
I think many people were not upset because he called people geeks or otakus but instead they were upset because he didn´t take serious what a huge cunk of wii owners wants. And yes, if he wonders that customers get angry when they feel not taken serious then hes in the wrong position.
tomsamson
m1lkb0ne
Posted 3:31 AM 14/6/08
Well, I am a geek and otaku, and slightly proud of it, so I didn't find the remark offensive at all.
But I do think the Wii needs some kind of mass storage solution like support for a USB drive, as the WiiWare games will fill up a flash memory card pretty quick.
Hopefully, Ninty will take the PS3 approach, and just let you connect up any external drive you have handy, instead of requiring you to buy some kind of "official", overpriced, Nintendo-branded device.
m1lkb0ne
CaptLtrl
Posted 3:31 AM 14/6/08
I think the reason people got offended was that he implied that we weren't important to nintendo. Only geeks and otaku care about an external HD, so fuck em. That's the message I got at least.
CaptLtrl
Salen
Posted 3:31 AM 14/6/08
@aforest: Nah, I'm sure there's someone who was waiting outside his office to punch him in the face with a Power Glove. ;) Or worst, club him with a R.O.B.
Salen
Lancehead
Posted 3:30 AM 14/6/08
He claims he didn't use those terminology in an offensive context and "regrets" the misunderstanding. Sooo, where's the apology?
Lancehead
Hubert Humphrey Methadone
Posted 3:30 AM 14/6/08
@BoringJob: Yeah, what do you mean YOU PEOPLE?
Hubert Humphrey Methadone
the-hypnotoad
Posted 3:29 AM 14/6/08
I don't care about the names he used. I care that this is the attitude of senior management at Nintendo - you guys are crazy and you don't know what you want. You'll take what we give you and like it.
the-hypnotoad
mespme
Posted 3:29 AM 14/6/08
the only offense here is why they hasn't announced a HDD for the wii
mespme
Fabrice
Posted 3:28 AM 14/6/08
Who is he calling a geek ? Is he calling us geeks ? How dare he call us geeks.
Talk about a tempest in a teapot.
Fabrice
NeoStarr
Posted 3:27 AM 14/6/08
Otaku seems to have negative connotations in Japan, but around here I think a lot of us seem to embrace it (you know, so long as we're not being shelled out this shit about how we fucked up our Wii memory). Hell, I've got "Otaku" set as my Religion in Facebook.
NeoStarr
Kenninator
Posted 3:26 AM 14/6/08
It's rare to see actual apologies like this, so that's pretty cool.
Kenninator
BoringJob
Posted 3:25 AM 14/6/08
"Hi. I'd like to keep my job. So I'm sorry for pissing off our fanbase. Well, at least more than we have. What is it about you people that you're so sensitive?"
Did he just say YOU PEOPLE?!?!?!
BoringJob
DaveKap
Posted 3:25 AM 14/6/08
How about he apologizes by telling us about the USB HD solution Nintendo is planning?
DaveKap
aforest
Posted 3:25 AM 14/6/08
at least he apologized before someone shot him with a SuperScope
aforest
Asbestos_Underwear
Posted 3:25 AM 14/6/08
An apologizing manager? Wow, now I'm impressed. Actually a bit scared, next thing you know bug free games might be released.
Asbestos_Underwear
smuckersisgood
Posted 6:47 AM 14/6/08
Is anybody really all that surprised at nintendo's attitude? To me it seems they've been out of touch with what gamers want since they made the N64 cartridge-based. They may be riding high on this whole "casual-phenomenon", but they have lost many people like me who've been nintendo fans since the nes days. Sorry for vulgarity, but fuck this guy and fuck nintendo. If they want to act like asshats to their biggest fans then they wont be getting any of my money.
smuckersisgood
maraxusofk
Posted 6:44 AM 14/6/08
misunderstanding? really? tell me jackass manager how possibly can i misunderstand being called a geek and an otaku?
maraxusofk
art_zombie
Posted 6:40 AM 14/6/08
Never, ever alienate your consumer.
Especially if you are a publisher that prides itself by providing extremely niche periphials that require a lot of so called geeks and otaku to buy to get a return on devolpment costs.
Why does it feel that if you want Nintendo to do something sensible you have to drag them kicking and screaming?
art_zombie
karasu is my homeboy
Posted 6:19 AM 14/6/08
@Mister Adequate: Perfect comment and what I tried to say.
karasu is my homeboy
tomrutters
Posted 6:15 AM 14/6/08
Why could he not just say 'sorry'?
tomrutters
Duoae
Posted 7:43 AM 14/6/08
I readily define myself as a geek but i found his comments offensive. Why? Because it showed that he doesn't understand his market and was arrogantly flippant about why there was no attached storage. You could easily change his original statement to read:
Question: Why is there no storage on the Wii to allow for more downloads?
Answer: Well, i think that only freaks and sad, lonely people moan about the lack of this feature so we can't be arsed dealing with the problem since they're not really our target audience anyway...
Whether or not he meant to cause offence and whether or not people take offence at being called Otaku or geeks, he used the terms in a derogatory fashion.
Duoae
Mact
Posted 7:36 AM 14/6/08
@Gitaroo_Dude:
Where in your rant do you clarify why a corporation would not show evidence of being run by monkeys to make a statement insulting those who buy most of their shit?
There is no logical way to dismiss him insulting those who are filling their pockets most.
Mact
Vanguarde
Posted 7:33 AM 14/6/08
I think people were too hard on him. He is sort of correct in what he meant, but he said it in a bad way. My family is as 'causal' as you can get, using ( notice I did not say 'playing) Wii Fit and the other Nintendo created casual games.
My causal gamers just want to get better at hula hoops. If you talked about storage space, USB hard drives, or Otaku, they would quickly become bored.
Vanguarde
Dalren
Posted 7:31 AM 14/6/08
He should have never said it in the first place. I can't really say all is forgiven...unless we get a hard drive that is.
Dalren
Billkwando
Posted 7:13 AM 14/6/08
@Gitaroo_Dude: Uh, ok there friend.
What?
Billkwando
smuckersisgood
Posted 7:12 AM 14/6/08
@smuckersisgood: However, i still love my N64
smuckersisgood
fenderfuel08
Posted 8:13 AM 14/6/08
The guy knew damn well that he was referring to geeks and otaku in a derogatory manner as if they were low lifes who play the Wii too much.
To me it was said as if it doesn't matter what the core base thinks because they aren't the intended market. The core gamers want more memory? Haha, well, they are geeks and otaku. Of course they want more, but thats their problem. The casuals aren't complaining, so its no big deal.
At least he apologized but it was clear he had no clue about the videogame market, let alone the gamers who have bought nintendo products for years.
fenderfuel08
Pornosaur
Posted 8:06 AM 14/6/08
So he still misses the whole point, anybody who cared that he called people geeks or otaku is an asshole. The problem is totally not understanding the need for a storage solution. Can't they see the even more truck loads of money dlc on something like Rock Band or Guitar Hero would dump in their coffers?
Pornosaur
Mrobinson587
Posted 7:58 AM 14/6/08
I'm more pissed about spending what probably amounts to over $1000 on games, VC, accessories and everything, and I can't play my Wii due to the memory limitations.
Mrobinson587
steerpike
Posted 7:52 AM 14/6/08
@CaptLtrl:
That's what I read into it.
The terms aren't offensive but having our concerns being put on a lesser shelf to Nintendo's casual audience stung a bit.
steerpike
jamBot
Posted 7:45 AM 14/6/08
Hold on! He's completely lost sight of the original point. Look, my man -- it wasn't the "Geek" comment that pissed-us off. It's the LACK OF STORAGE FOR THE WII that pissed-us off.
Now, after all these half-ass apologizes -- are we get MORE STORAGE? Because THAT the ONLY way things will be cool.
jamBot
artofwar420
Posted 9:00 AM 14/6/08
I think it was the implied tone, but now, this is over, time to moove on.
artofwar420
JokesJokes
Posted 8:54 AM 14/6/08
@fenderfuel08: Then again...who cares what he thinks?
JokesJokes
JokesJokes
Posted 8:53 AM 14/6/08
He still maintains, however, that only geeks and otaku expect to get games released in Europe aany reasonable amount of time after they come out in America and Japan.
JokesJokes
Alessar
Posted 8:29 AM 14/6/08
@karasu is my homeboy: I absolutely agree. This is his quote: "I would never use and I didn't use this terminology in such a context or way to cause offense"
That's not even phrased well; his statement should say that he didn't *intend* to cause offense, but offense it did cause. There's absolutely no admission of anything done wrong on his part. I read an article that in Korea they actually have 4 or 6 specific types of apologies ranging from the expression of sympathy at inadvertent offense to actually stating regret and admitting wrongdoing. This guy is *weaseling* and badly in my opinion. Really, the entire statement was dismissive. He could have said something very neutral like, "the majority of our customer base has not run out of room" but no, he opened his mouth and shoved his foot in up to about his kneecap.
Pretty much any word that describes an identifiable group (not just racial descriptors) can become a barb if it's used with a negative intent. And his intent is clearly negative.
Alessar
jigglypoofs
Posted 9:20 AM 14/6/08
I think he should be fired, not becuase of the comments, I'm not one of these "ohh he offended me" people, but saying what he said about Wii Storage proves he's an idiot.
jigglypoofs
djHEAT
Posted 9:07 AM 14/6/08
What a jerk.
djHEAT
Snokie
Posted 10:09 AM 14/6/08
apology accepted. Now gimme my external storage!
Snokie
nomadder
Posted 10:39 AM 14/6/08
People aren't upset at being called 'geeks' and 'otaku'... Hell, a lot of us call ourselves that.
What I think bothered a lot of people was that in making that comment he marginalized the importance of Nintendo's biggest fans.
That's what pissed people off.
If he had said "we are GOING to make an HD for all the geeks and otaku"... Completely different story.
nomadder
Lezard
Posted 10:20 AM 14/6/08
Wow. He apologizes for a comment that I personally never felt particularly insulted by, and there are still people in here ready to tear his throat out. Have a little bit of decency, guys. We've all said something at one time or another with no offensive intent that turned out to offend someone. Yes, he's a marketing exec and probably should have monitored what he said better, but he's apologized and he obviously doesn't speak for the company as a whole, so even if you're not going to forgive him, don't waste your time filling these comments with insults directed at him.
Lezard
enigma89
Posted 10:16 AM 14/6/08
Look, I think all of you are taking this wrong and I think he got what people are pissed about wrong. It's not as much that people are or should be pissed by being called geeks and otakus, it's just that he completely brushed off even thinking about taking care of the problem. He's basically saying that "geeks and otakus" are a minority that want something that would probably be looked at as superfluous because, once again, they're a minority to him, apparently.
enigma89
WPack911
Posted 10:15 AM 14/6/08
You can take this BS 'apology' along with all the rest of the BS Nintendo has been spewing and stick it straight up your ass you stupid prick.
-WPack911
WPack911
Lezard
Posted 11:03 AM 14/6/08
@nomadder: He didn't say that they aren't, either. Only that the biggest demand for it is coming from them.
Lezard
Salen
Posted 11:41 AM 14/6/08
I'm finding it funny that the "apology" is being taken even worst than the original "geeks & otaku" statement from the first time he opened his big fat mouth. Or if its not worst, its damn close to being just as bad.
*breaks out his lawnchair and popcorn* Don't mind me. Keep going.
Salen
Orionsaint
Posted 1:54 PM 14/6/08
I've never gotten Nintendo's arrogance. They always have to do things their way. They think they know everything. In 96, CD-ROM games were taking off, but they make a cart system. Oh we don't have enough space. Oh I guess we should have used CD. They make the Gamecube, but use mini-disc? Eventually they finally use common size disc on the Wii. Way be up to date there Nintendo. Oh Online? No one really plays online games. Oh I guess they do, but since our marketing research department didn't really look into online gaming. We're clueless as to what online gamers really want. You know you need a HDD right? HDD? Nah, will use flashcards. Damn we don't have enough room. We should have added a HDD to the Wii. That's Nintendo in a nutshell. What gets me though is they have success with the Wii on top of all that, but they could have had so much more if only they weren't so outta touch with modern gamers.
Orionsaint
TheHeartless
Posted 7:16 PM 14/6/08
It isn't the words themselves that caused the stir...it's the feeling of dismissal the comment gives. That "only" a certain group cares about more storage, and that "geeks and otaku" identifies a lot of hardcore Nintendo fans, who have been increasingly bedeviled over the course of this console generation by the company they've supported through the harder times (Gamecube). It is frustrating to feel like Nintendo is dismissing us for a different audience, and to have us written off for wanting a little more from a company we expect to respect us the way we expect them is just a little hurtful. It doesn't matter what words you use. The sentiment was there.
TheHeartless
Pornosaur
Posted 8:49 PM 14/6/08
@TheHeartless: Quoting Bob Seger, "I feel like a number".
Pornosaur
Salen
Posted 9:24 PM 14/6/08
@Pornosaur: Someone knows Bob Seger, other than myself. I'm pleasantly surprised.
Salen
RubyMars
Posted 3:07 AM 17/6/08
Laurent Fischer: "I apologize to all the geeks and otaku that I offended. I meant to insult the fucktards and asshats."
Gaming community: "..."
Laurent Fischer: "What?"
RubyMars