i hope those 100 tracks are 100 real (not a variation of an other track) tracks and not the shit they did in forza 2.

Nemesis_2015

Calling CoD5 World at War also helps to preserve the integrity of the franchise in the minds of consumers. Not all gamers realize that different developers are handling different installments in the series, so when Treyarch's CoD game comes out in December people who played and loved 4 would be stunned and angered over how badly "5" pales in comparison. By only giving Infinity Ward's installments numerical designations, the "main" games in the franchise remain somewhat untarnished.

Similar to how Take Two handled titling GTA4--it seemed to suggest that the buyer shouldn't consider San Andreas and Vice City true successors to 3, and that those games are crap and inconsequential compared to 4, the "true" sequel to the revolutionary 3.

pico77

Hmm. Car deformation was a feature of Forza 2. Wht's special about it here? I'm glad Forza 3's coming, though. Awesome series.

InsidiousTuna

I'd rather have 2 discs than installs. It's either the dev takes the cost and I take 10 seconds to switch a disc or I have big mandatory installs that take up lots of space on my hard drive so I have to spend minutes letting them install, time deleting them when I need more space and getting no real benefit other than 1 second faster load times and not having to change a disc. I've played PS1 RPG's and there's nothing wrong with changing discs.

Anyway Forza 3 may be great, I enjoyed Forza 2 but I hope they improve it a little cos i've never been much of a racing fan so I will only by the sequel if it's impressive. Not too interested in call of duty.

Llost

@slomo788: There is very little supporting evidence that would suggest that Sony's mandatory softward HDD installs improves performance that exceeds (or even meets) the performance of a smartly-arranged DVD disc media.

For those epic games that require more than 8GBs of data, I'm okay with swapping out a disc. I was in the PS1 days (when Wing Commander 3 took up *FIVE* discs) and I will be again, if need be. The way I see it, in roleplaying and action games, 8GBs will get me 30-40 hours of gameplay (judging from "Mass Effect" and "Halo 3"). If I need to swap out a disc after 30-40 hours, I'm totally down with that.

What the majority of you seem to be forgetting is that you have to balance data compression with storage media usage, both processor usage, internal RAM usage, and data bandwidth restrictions. As soon as a system can pull data off of it's optical disc drive and put it into IMMEDIATE use (no decompressing), then the size of a system's storage will be restricted simply by how *big* a system's game needs to be.

Sony's Blu-Ray drive can't read the information fast enough and Microsoft's DVD drive can't store a lot of uncompressed information. Both of these problems require compression - which require processor usage! Sony's usage of an HDD is an attempt to get around the data bandwidth problems of the Blu-Ray... and only then get to data performance levels slightly better (best case) than the 360 is already enjoying.

Until Sony can upgrade their BD-ROM drive, the onus really isn't on Microsoft to demand an HDD on any of its users; they aren't losing ground to Sony on data pushthrough and enhanced performance, after all.

ElGatoMalo

@Dakobah: that was a decade ago

the_answer

@Dakobah:

Yes, but that was then with less storage access ... times are different now. They have plenty of opportunity to accommodate things for the gamers, and they dont.

@Tenchuu:

Exactly!

EnigmaNemesis

@Eddy666:

Winnar!

EnigmaNemesis

So long as theres a Burma/Malaya section with British Empire troops in CoD5, alls good. If its just another yankfest like CoD3, I'll pass.

All respect to the American troops that fought in WW2, but you didn't win the war singlehandedly.

Anaralia

So MS in their NPD press spin-o-rama said they had 2 bullets in the chamber yet for E3. Does this mean Forza 3 and Lips are the two things?

lionkitten

@Lezard:

Gran Turismo 2

Snuffbox

Can't wait until Call of Duty 5 then... let's hope it's not another damn WWII game like Call of World War II Duty here.

Mpalm.

btw ill see everyone in CoD6 CoDW@W = skip

hungry_for_worms

Call of Duty: World at War is an imposter to the throne. Infinity Ward better be hard at work on the next installment in the franchise. Treyarch will undoubtedly try to introduce new gameplay "elements" in an effort to improve an engine and game mechanic which has already demonstrated its near-perfection and in doing so will screw the whole thing up!

I can't wait for Infinity Ward's next end-credits song. I LOVED their demonstrated contempt at the end of CoD4 for the arrangment Activision has enforced between the two studios.

ElGatoMalo

@CatPope: I hate when I hear that. You're probably 100% correct, but it's a BS excuse. I bought an Arcade, but I grabbed a HDD the same week. It's not like HDDs can't be bought separately. All MS has to do is force them to buy them if they want to play certain games. It will save money in manufacturing games, sell more HDDs and they will catch up with PS3 in that department. I mean, Microsoft has no problems forcing people to pay to play online-only games do they? They should be able to apply the same idea for HDDs. Make it sound like buying an accessory or whatever. Sorry if I'm ranting, the heat is just killing me ;)

slomo788

This info comes via Neogaf, same thread as the lips leak. Credit should go to them, not X360 fanboy, who merely parroted the news

beat89

This is all from NeoGaf. X3F was sitting on this information but didn't know it, Neogaf leaked it and then X3F claimed credit a few hours later.

Activision has several covers for COD5 and Spiderman Web of Shadows, so another contest is coming.

karasu is my homeboy

@slomo788: I think it's more of an issue of all those arcade versions out there. They want to make sure everyone can play the game in order to sell as many copies as possible.

CatPope

I bet Infinity Ward bristled at the idea of calling it Call Of Duty 5. They werent exactly private about referring to COD4 as Call Of Duty 3 internally. They're just saying what we all know to be true.

Treyarch suck a lot.

Forza 3 should be hot, though. Bring on the multi-disc parade. I want thousands of cars. But don't rush this thing out-- take your time. Forza 2 just came out relatively recently. Don't pull an Activision with this franchise!

wild homes 5: no disassemble!

@TheAngryHeretic: Yeah, I'd have to say installs don't seem so bad after hearing that. This is like the umpteenth generation and we still need more than one disc for one game? I do, however, feel that Microsoft is still going to talk some shit later on.

enigma89

@Dakobah: A lot of games have come on multiple discs, but this is the first time I can recall a racing game being put on two discs. This would be a major pain in the ass if I had to constantly switch discs to play with certain cars on certain tracks.

Lezard

@Dakobah: GT2's two disc setup were separated by Arcade mode and Simulation mode. All the tracks and cars were on the same disc for each. Although maybe Forza 3 might follow suit somehow, but I don't think this is real either way.

Tenchuu

@Dakobah:

My favorite GT game as well

Clearly, it hindered my enjoyment of the game.

Snuffbox

CoD5 is going to be very macabre from what I hear.

archibaldleech

Yeah, for all those wondering about the racing game on 2 discs: Gran Turismo 2.

slomo788

omg omg forza 3!!!!!!

the 2 discs most likely has the modes split. either single player for one disc and multiplayer on the other. or maybe a seperate disc for sim and arcade modes like GT2

my wish would be 1 disc for multi and single and the other disc is for an even more feature rich paint editor. though some of the thing being done on forza 2's editor is already amazing.

hungry_for_worms

I hope World At War has Laurence Olivier dubbed over it.

gaggle64

@thewisestfool: See MGS4: some devs are actually imaginative enough to make installs bring a smile to a gamer's face instead of a frown.
But seriously, it's time for that "PS3 has teh installz! LOLZ" meme to die right now. It's a stupid argument from stupid fanboys. PC did it for decades with no problems.

slomo788

people seem to forget GT2 had 2 discs didnt seem like a problem for them

Dakobah

Exactly right Quilt

CoD: World at War is back in WW2, so it's like the WW2 mission pack of CoD4... sort of like GTA3, GTA: Vice City, GTA: San Andreas.

Murdoc

Huh, 2 disc racing game? How is that going to work?

Different tracks on different discs?

majatt

They're probably calling it World at War instead of Call of Duty 5 because they want to save the 5 for a game which actually compares to Call of Duty 4.

Quilt

Feels to soon to have another COD game to me. COD4 is still one of the best looking games out there. If its not a substantial upgrade it runs the risk of just feeling like an expansion pack.

What the hell am I saying, RSV2!

SortaKindaAGamer

So what's with the five different box-art designs? Just five they are choosing from? Five the community will get to vote one? What?

ChemicalWedding

This doesn't sound real. Two discs for a racing game. That means your either going to have to separate tracks and/or cars on the different discs. That just seems cumbersome if you want to race on a specific track or with a specific car and then you have to switch discs in order to do so.

Tenchuu

i like the second and fifth cover. i dont even play call of duty games but i want those covers to win.

squigglychicken

@KingBroly: A car game on two discs? Like Gran Turismo 2?

WatershipDown

Leaking more then the Titanic, aren't they?

Anyway, eveyone is already putting COD5 on the trash, im quite lookign forward to it, namely, the Wii version. Im gonna give the game a chance at least.

Shiryu

@TheAngryHeretic: See MGS4 and DMC3: Installs seem very unpopular at the moment...

thewisestfool

"GET A GRIP OTACON!"

Eddy666

Call of Duty 4 was awesome and all, but how long are they gonna milk it after this? Don't ruin a great game!

thewisestfool

I wish MS would bring Forza to the PC. I don't have a 360 and wouldn't buy a system specifically for it but I would be all over a PC version of the game.

mva5580

World at War was said to be the title in an OXM a week or so back. The Forza stuff is news to me though!

Hendrixx

A car game on 2 discs? That's really bad if true.

KingBroly

Forza 3 on 2 discs. Why is Microsoft going to wise up and just use the hard drive for installs and not have people switching out discs.

TheAngryHeretic

I agree with VietOne,

Anyways The PS3 has ample space for HDD installs 40GB and 60GB mostly, and if you run out of space but you cant always be a cheap skate buy a 250GB hard drive for a few bucks, its not that expensive, and easy to install.

These HDD installs are a neccesary evil, theres no way around it. Look at pc's, they have not solved or attempted to solve installing. Its a natural evolution get used to it.

Less Demanding games, like Hot Shot Golfs requring HDD installs is unacceptable however, but if the game genuinely needs to improve its performance via HDD then s bit. Remember Motorstorm? that did not utilise HDD installs! and the loading times are dreadful! i would rather have a HDD install, get it over it, and have a better overall gaming experience. I really hated Motorstorm loading

StrifeHawkins

@StrifeHawkins:

Erm, who's defending DVD-9? I think the vast majority of people here are saying that multiple disks are hardly going to be a game-killer.

After I see your comments, I think I finally get it though. We should all admit its a horrible decision to continue using DVD-9. Just scrap the 360 because the technology is so outdated and constrains good games. The tremendous technological burden on Turn 10 to do the unprecedented task of putting a racing game on two disks will mean the game will stink. It's going to take up so much resources that the rest of the game will fail.

Snuffbox

@Viet0ne: I doubt 4 seconds of waiting can be considered a major advantage. When your hard drive is full and you need to repeatedly manage your files and reinstall games then that could get annoying. Who doesn't go on a game and expect loading though? It's not a problem, it's like someone with a PS3 going to play a 360 wouldn't spaz out over the extra 2 to 4 seconds.

The drive thing may be a problem but I don't know anything about that really so might have to read more. My 360 only ever seems to mess up reading games that run on Unreal engine >.<

Llost

@ElGatoMalo: "There is very little supporting evidence that would suggest that Sony's mandatory softward HDD installs improves performance that exceeds (or even meets) the performance of a smartly-arranged DVD disc media."

Yes. Yes, there is. Games before that "trend" preformed worse on PS3. Now they are even and sometimes even better. They tended to have framerate issues and online sucked. Play MGS4 and you'll see exactly why it's such a good thing.

slomo788

So far the major improvement of installs is faster loading times.

There is no one here who can say that GTAIV doesn't load faster on the PS3. The initial loading all comes form the disk, so the 360 loads up faster by around 7 seconds. But every load after that, the 360 takes a few seconds longer. On top of it, when you go and load a save from a previous time, the PS3 loads significantly faster.

Then you have DMC4, which loads 1-5 seconds faster on the PS3 version. The cumulative loading on the 360 would add up to much longer than the install for the PS3 version.

There is one other major advantage to installs. They don;t use the drive and wear it out. This is why failed DVD drives are popping up almost as fast as the RROD. Also why many people just say force your console to RROD just to possibly get it fixed.

Viet0ne

Forza 3? YES PLZ!

I knew it would be coming eventually, I can't wait. Maybe a Winter 2009 release, early 2010? *drools*

jello44

@StrifeHawkins: It's stupid that you believe old tech having no advantages. Companies are putting the strain of installs on the consumer, rather than themselves so rather than have discs with all the content on you're having constant mandatory installs that don't even benefit you. Is that really good? When you run out of memory and have to delete stuff is that good? Could just swap a disc but WTF that's last gen I guess.

I agree blue ray is better, the less discs the better but not at the expense of memory on your console. You want to reduce the amount of discs without actually having to compensate in other ways or blue ray is more of a side step than a step forward.

Llost

erm....why are u guys defending the DVD-9 standard?
Forza 3's development has been altered. Instead of developers concentrating a good game, there trying to do some patch up work to make the game on 2 discs. This affects the game negatively. Why do people always try to defend the xbox flaws, and mitigate any ps3 advantages?

The Ps3 has superior disk space ala Blue Ray, and has a standard HDD that developers can take advantage off, those are not negatives, a negative however is that the Blue Ray drive is roughly 15% slower than an xbox 360, but its alot quieter and a better quality drive, it does not scratch discs if i move the ps3, or if i dont!

StrifeHawkins

@the_answer:

That's not entirely relevant- some are making it to be an absolute barrier to enjoying a game, a claim that's patently false as evidenced by the phenomenal experience of GT2.

Snuffbox

You lot are a bit silly to be complaining about 2 discs.

Its better than having to install each set of cars for 15 minuites rather than getting up off your lazy asses to change one disc.

flukielukie

@StrifeHawkins:

PC's wont solve it (not want to), because installs on HDD's or Flash mediums are still faster than any disk streaming drive, and always will be.

And in the next ten years when non moving parts flash HDDs become cheap and the norm ... it will be viciously fast.

EnigmaNemesis

I like The top right box art. The others feel too MoH-ish.

get2theDeLorean

two disks one 360
lol

mackattack93

snuffbox wtf! seriously dude. I mean im just saying 2CDS for a racing game is silly no matter how they package it! THINK ABOUT IT!!! I will never Play GT2 a style game again

When u design a game everything has to be thought out well before hand, Meaning that making a 2 disk game will have major changes on the game, it might mean the have an arcade disk or simulator disk or vice versa. Im just saying im against games having to be altered because of dated technology. I mean seriously when i got Lost Oddyssey in 4 disks, and the disks where not in any proper packaging and already scratched i was so not cool with that!

Anyways 2 disks for a racing game is unacceptable. my opinion

StrifeHawkins

@slomo788: The evidence you speak of is semi-empirical at best, meaning that its reports are varied and not necessarily consistent. Until someone can prove that beyond doubt an HDD-assisted load, in the PS3's case, is in my better interest than a direct-read from an optical drive, then I'll maintain that there is a lack of evidence.

On that note, nNowhere did I deny that HDD-assisted loading may improve a game's load time and nowhere did I deny that an HDD-assisted load may improve upon an optical-only load, but I have yet to see a clear case made that it's advantageous enough to make it a mandatory feature of the current generation of games.

As you yourself said, HDD-assisted loading on a PS3 brings their performance up to "even" and mabye even "sometimes better" than an optical-only load on the 360. This isn't a flame to call the PS3 trash, but it's a point that we both are in agreeance on.

And my conclusion to our mutually agreed point is that, in terms of keeping up with the current generation's load-times and throughput, the PS3's use of HDD-assisted loading has not made a case for Microsoft to adopt a similar approach. Can Microsoft's own load times improve with an HDD-assisted loading? Most certainly. But the market advantage of having THE fastest-loading machine on the planet - which MS would have, as their load times can only go down with HDD - doesn't justify the increased cost that its users would be subjected to.

ElGatoMalo

Well here's another COD that I won't buy, or even regard it is a "COD" game, just more boxed up shit not worth more than $10. I really can't see how they expect us to pay $60+tax for a glorified expansion pack to COD4, unbelievable.

Not to mention the upper left concept art is completely not historically accurate, this is supposed to be set in WW2 era, since when did WW2 soldiers have field armor resembling that from COD4? Now they're just getting lazy.

KevanB

Forza i already enjoy, Now on the other hand i might not like the New CoD but there is a change that i will. Something about the whole WWII thing just doesn't Strike me as Interesting.

MXs219

Maybe the second disc is like the Halo 2 map disc, whereas you'll insert it into your 360 and then download content off of it.

josh924

@StrifeHawkins:

In regards to GT2.

One CD was the Arcade Mode.
The other was Simulation Mode.

There was never any switching between discs, ONLY if you wanted to play Arcade Mode, which really isn't the reason you buy GT in the first place.

jello44

What is all this bitching going on here? Any of you think you know shit? You don't know SHIT! You don't know how these games will look. You have no idea how they will work. All you have is speculation. "OMG, two disc, I won't be playing it... FAIL!" Oh shut the fuck up already. You don't know so tell people you don't know and move the fuck on already.

It's a lazy Sunday afternoon, you should be playing games, doing your laundry or fucking your girlfriend (she needs attention too). Stop wasting time getting worked up on something you have no idea about.

okenny :)

xbots on damage control.

devilhunterx

Wake me up when Call of Duty 6 gets announced by Infinity Ward.

DigiMish

@ElGatoMalo: Look at it this way. In most things improvement comes with trade-offs. What does BD improve on? Space. The space that allowed MGS4 to be that masterpiece, the space allegedly could have added more features to PGR4 and the space that could allow Forza 3 to come 1 disc (although the last 10 posts here were rumors). BUT, what's the catch with BD? Slow read speed. Does it matter for video playback which was intended for the medium? No. Does it matter for games? Certainly. Just look at the early ports from 360 to PS3, I'm sure lack of CELL experience was not the only thing to blame. Loading times on Motorstorm, Orange Box could also partially be attributed to the BD read speed. What did they do to counter this? They made installs, mandatory or not. Less pop-in, better framerate, better loading times, putting it on par with the 360. Does it mean BD was a bad choice? No, because games can come on a single disc with plenty of features. Are installs a bad thing? No, because they allow to keep this space and eliminate the slow read problem.

slomo788

mm about time Forza 3 info should start to leak out. There were two years between Forza and Forza 2, and we started getting screenshots and shit at least a year ahead. Has E3 been yet? If not, that's probably when they'll announce it.

As for CoD5, Gritty + WW2 + shooter = been there, done that. ZzzzzZZz

zlimness

maybe its not CoD5 b/c Treyarch is doing it and Activision doesnt want their premiere franchise destroyed now.

TheNocturnalSun

How much do you want to bet that most of those cars will only be available as DLC?

dz7931a

Man, how many new gamers are there here that never heard of Gran Turismo 2?

NoBullet

wow 400 cars on 2 discs? that's a bit much.. wonder how graphics would be compared to GT5. GT5P was 4 gigs and only had what, 60 cars? i guess there is a reason for multiple discs.

COD5 looks lame IMO because it's back to WWII. why not a fictional WW III game? that would kick some major ass.

Akmed

I don't understand why so many people are shitting on CoD5 already. Do Treyarch have the best track record thus far? No. But we know next to nothing about the game. I'll wait to say it "sucks" after we see and know more.

TK423

I wouldn't be surprised if some of these leaks were intentional. "Leaking" information often hypes a product better than officially releasing it. MS knows what they're doing. Just think of the Halo Marketing campaign, pure genius.

Kronos

@okenny :): Wow...someone's in a pissy mood. :)

They should totally call this game "World at War (again for the 20 gazillionth time until you're so sick of it you wanna poke your eyes out but it will never stop because we just love pumping out the same World War theme and you can suck our collective balls)"

Yeah.

EloquentZen

@jun581: You forgot the "o"! Damn you!! *bits jun581 in the face*

@EloquentZen:
I guess that would come off pissy. I'm not pissed though. If you read some of the crazy posts made here, you can either try to contradict what was said and spend an hour typing up responses no one will read or you can just point out the obvious and be done with it. I chose the later.

When we leave comments here, we tend to be opinionated and that's all fine (I'm all for it) but sometimes the flames roars and it's just confusing noise. ie: reading some of these Forza 3 comments, you'd think the game was out and people are playing it. No, sadly, people are just working of off what they've deduced and getting mad about what they now believe to be reality. Being as excited as I am about Forza 3, I'd hate to see it get the Too Human treatment because of some misplaced beliefs.

I hope I could hit the reset button on one post but I failed since it's all been chocked up to emotions :( Oh well... where's my prozac *happy bear* :D <3 <3

okenny :)

Even if this is on 2 discs, it may have an option for installing. I will say however that I'm personally not going to be excited about this game until I know that it's going to have a good amount of content(like 100 tracks and 400 cars) and that it will have graphics that rival GT5. Otherwise I'll just be happy with GT5 once the real GT5 comes out.

Spartan1308™

@TheAngryHeretic, thewisestfool: That, and some people only have 20 gig hard drives. *raises arm*

Americo

@justhesh: I wasn't being redundant with the "DVD disc", I just forgot to remove the "disc" when I decided to change it to "DVD".

Covered.

justhesh

Bring on that sexy 2-disc action, Forza 3! There's no need for "super duper" disc formats, when you can just do multiple discs. And as others have said, HDD installs have minimal advantages.

@Akmed: Forza 2 had 400 cars on a single DVD disc.

justhesh

@EloquentZen: err...it won't be the first time, kenny:) is in a pissy mood :)

jun581

So Treyarch is too cool for Numbers now? Thats probably a good thing. It means that IW can make "CoD5" and we can forget all about this World at War junk.

Salen

Why are people brining up Gran Turismo 2? That was a Playstation 1 game. Do Xbox owners really want to compare this current gen release to a PS1 release that was made on a CD-ROM? Gran Turismo 2 was broken down into 2 discs in a functional way as well, one disc was for Arcade, the other for Simulation. I wonder if the same will be said for Forza 3, or will there will be a lot of disc swapping.

LittleBigPlaneteer

@okenny :): O DAMNIT!!! i forgot about that. excuse me my furry hair friend, while i apply some alcohol and stitches to my wound. lol

^_^

jun581

@thewisestfool: Activision is gonna milk that franchise dry if it can. CoD4 isn't really even the fourth game, it was the third developed by Infinity Ward, apparently they even refer to it as the third in their code and were bitter about the "third" one.

If this wasn't going to be made by IW then someone else was going to make a shitty version of CoD4 and I think they didn't want that happening so they pulled back until they're able to get something even better out of the gates. That and they would like to give it some time, I'm sure.

And I just started watching BBC's "World at War" documentary series so this is kind of cool. I'd recommend it to anyone slightly interested in WW2 history by the way.

Absent Blue

@LittleBigPlaneteer:
Don't be daft, storage tech is, and will always be cyclical, there's no "gen-ness" to it. Think back...
"Oh this game is on five 5 1/4", or one 3 1/2" floppy."
"You can get this game on four 3 1/2" floppys or on one CD-ROM."
"This game is five fucking CD-ROMS! But only one DVD."
"Man... this game is 4 DVD's..."

But I can get it on one DVD2? Time will tell.

rob2112

Fuck all your optical media load times and installs! Give me ROM cartridges!11!!!

Also, why can't there be a damn WWI Call of Duty? Why are we stuck in 1941-1945?

rob2112

@LittleBigPlaneteer:

Fair enough; I suppose the underlying issue is not so much 2 disc vs. 1 disc as it is traditional hassle free console gaming vs. hybrid console/PC gaming a la installs.

My concern with installs/uninstalls constantly taking place on a hard disk is, what happens when the disk becomes severely fragmented? What happens if the disk file system goes *plllllbbbbt*? In a computing environment the user has many tools to maintain the disk. On a console... They implement the K.I.S.S. methodology and take away all maintenance and administrative controls so dummies can't break it. I'd rather swap a few discs than load a bit faster and more conveniently for a while, only to lose all my data in what amounts to a hardware version of a freak gasoline fight accident.

rob2112

2 discs? Maybe MS should use Blu-ray. Oh, wait...

Juthan

@rob2112:

I'm simply asking why someone is bringing up Gran Turismo 2 on 2 discs as a counter for why Forza 3 is on 2 discs. It's a stupid comparison. The fact remains whether there were alternatives to putting the game on 2 discs. Whether it has to do with better compression, or game installations.

LittleBigPlaneteer

The top left COD box is the best

Jawmuncher

I don't think Forza can work on multiple discs. I can't think of how it'd work anyway...

Samos42

I am thinking maybe a career and a multiplayer disc? That seems like it may work, but who knows.

I have my Xbox on my desk next to me, so I think I can handle switching the discs out. I wonder how many people are bitching and don't even plan on buying the game.

cmonty06

Car deformation? I might have to consider actually buing a Forza game then.

Ehetyz

@Juthan: Or just use 2 discs because it's just as simple and doesn't force people to buy into a format no one cares about.

justhesh

Reminds me of Lost Odyssey :]

Shinra

GRID anyone? ;-)

x

EmilioBuono

@mva5580: Buy GTR2 or TOCA 3 much better bang for your buck.

@Dakobah:
And given this modern era of gaming how is "disk swapping" appropriate? I can't remember the last PC game I played that required disk swapping during play (and I've been gaming since the DOS days).

@ElGatoMalo: Either way you look at it, Sony's method is the better solution. Disk swapping is arcane.

dadeisvenm

Damnit why the hell are they going back to WWII!!! They finally make a game not centered around some Americans kicking German ass and they sell more than ever. And what do they do? What does this tell them? That this is the perfect time for yet another stupid WWII game!!!!

Spiderbait

Turn 10 caught a lot of stuff for not making Forza 2 look better than the Gran Turismo Series. I have a feeling the 2 discs are due to the work they're putting into Forza 3.

Also, it's probably ONE INSTALL DISC and ONE PLAY disc. Just like PC gaming.

The people that complain about multiple discs are just being stupid. You should all shut your mouths. I didn't complain during my PS2/PS1 gaming days, and I'm certainly not going to complain with my 360.

If the game is quality, who with an intelligence greater than a 5 year old cares??

Grow up guys.

Shandy706

Here's a tip to keep CoD selling, call it Call of Duty 5 : Modern Warfare, oh yeah we cant becuase the dumbasses at Treyarch thought WW2 was such a splendid idea.

Sniper_Zegai

@Forza- whoa

bobdisgea

2 Discs already for a car game? Seems like the Project Gotham guys weren't lying when they said they had to cut things to fit. I thought 2 discs were only needed for CGI laden RPGs?

theflux

@theflux: 170 cars...15 tracks =Forza 2

400 cars 100 tracks.....if that's not a step up...i dunno what is.

Jmontilla2786

COD6: War of the Worlds.
Pilot alien walker vehicles! Conquer the human race! More useless leveling up to 50, only to do it again!

Talleh

@Murdoc: SA was very much different from GTA3. If anything, SA should have been IV, and this years GTA as V.

Eranmane

@TheAngryHeretic: "Why is Microsoft going to wise up and just use the hard drive for installs and not have people switching out discs."

Because then they couldn't market against the PS3 requiring mandatory installs. Not that I know if they do it or not, but I'm sure at some point it will happen. Considering the "hardcore" demographic of the platform, I'm sure most 360 owners either have a HDD or would buy one if needed. I'm actually surprised Microsoft hasn't pigeonholed consumers into buying a HDD to play some of their games, considering how much markup on the 360 drives. Profit.

At the very least Microsoft should offer an optional install so the game can be played off a single disc.

Replica23

so how is that resistance fall of man boxart on the top right going to make it?

made2last

All of those box arts suck except the third one on the top row. That cover totally kicks ass and I would love to add it to my collection... Even though CoD5 will totally suck ass.

R1KM4N

What amazes me is how utterly lazy you whiners are. The fact half of you would rather sit through a ten minute install than get off your ass and put in a disc, taking all of maybe FIFTEEN SECONDS is fucking pathetic.

Kia

I agree with all the WWII hate. I liked playing D-Day, all the way from Medal of Honor: front line to Call of Duty 2, but I don't get why they don't want to use the huge fan base of modern warfare and continue making modern warfare games. Hopefully they will realize that the majority of players just about had enough WWII, and need more awesome games like Call Of Duty 4.

tacoman32

Only one solution here Mr. Ballmer, add another DVD-Drive to the 360. This time make it in the rear!

On another note, sent my 360 for repairs the other month, got it back with the RRoD gone, only to find out they somehow managed to fudge my DVD-drive. Disc is unreadable my ass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

V.Volker