Its Ironic how the Wii gets no DLC, yet everyone is out of space.

randomshagz

@TitillatedOcelot: @exaggeration17a: @bigd7387:

Nintendo of Europe said this wonderful little charm of a quote. Not all of Nintendo. Just a small...satellite...something.

Lyrai

I reported this a while back in the comments section of another news post. I still have no clue whats going on that guys mind, calling me names like that...

Shiryu

I'm pretty glad I stopped giving NoE my money at the start of the year.

marksinclair

Do you guys remember back in the late 80's early 90's and Nintendo was running things. That's how they talked then. Their feelings have always been screw the customer, if you want to play these games you do it our way or go else where. Yeah the NES was popular but remember all the crap that they did, like stopping Tengen from giving people an awsome Tetris game and instead only allowing their gimped version to be sold. I was really hoping that the Gamecube was their last hardware system and they could just go into making software but now with the success of the Wii, here we go again.

bigd7387

Yet,they are looking for testers for USB devices for the Wii?...hmm

enewtabie

Only geeks and otaku; why would they care about them? They're only their most profitable market segment.

cowondinosaur

well then i guess i am a otaku for downloading all those VC and wiiware titles. i guess i am also a bigger otaku for wanting more memory. well screw you nintendo, ill just stop downloading your content... congrats you lost a loyal customer!

segamanxero

He better prepare as a shit storm is around the corner

Neo-Senku

Idiots are for Nintendo of Europe only.

sofiabudapest

NoE is run by idiots. This does not surprise me at all.

DRaGZ

Wasn't he in the Matrix? or am I thinking of someone else?

Fishballs

This is absolutely ridiculous and quite frankly, insulting. Having supported Nintendo by spending hundreds and hundreds of pounds on their products over the last 13 or so years, I can't believe he's come out with something this stupid. Fire him, no, really. You don't insult your core consumer, the ones who have kept you in the black and not tumbling into the red, a barren land of debt.

Resignation by the end of the week please.

Am I overreacting?

tomrutters

Requirements are for geeks and otakus only.

sofiabudapest

There is no way they are stupid enough to believe that they can have any real success with wiiware without launching some sort of usb based storage solution. Among their customers, its only geeks and otaku who are currently aware of this problem. But then I also think its only geeks and otaku who would actually put up with the copying of games on and off the sd cards. When other customers fill up their on board memory they will most lightly just stop buying rather than figure out how to use an sd card or delete stuff they already bought.

Oh and btw just because its only geeks and otaku who want more storage space, doesn't mean you shouldn't do it.

Knasher

*facepalm* Look, Nintendo... even though you've made some strides in reaching a wider audience, geeks and otaku are still your core audience. Don't piss us off! I've already considered trading in my Wii more than once due to lack of quality titles. More idiocy might actually push me over the edge.

exaggeration17a

I am a little surprised by this; I thought Sony had gobbled up all the terrible marketing people in the world.

mphz

Well only retards wouldn't want it, just thinking about it for one second would make you realise that anyone who needs the space to fit on the games and channels they want need it. It's quite pathetic that we always get the most retarded marketing people try and tell us what we want.

Llost

I'm a geek and I know it, but wow, I'd be pissed if I owned a Wii.

ShaggE

If there's one thing you should never do, it's insult your customers or their intelligence... just ask Sony about how the PS3 pre-release hype and launch turned out.

A marketing guy should know to bite his tongue a bit better.

JimElNino

Wow, way to piss on the folks that got Nintendo to where they are today. This "we know better what our consumers want than our consumers do" is going to bite them in the ass. It has before, and it seems they've already forgotten that lesson.

TitillatedOcelot

So has Nintendo of Europe ever done anything intelligent, or could NOA/NOJ deconstruct them and do the distro themselves and nothing of value would be lost?

Lyrai

@Captain Impulse: Marketing execs making stupid comments? Say it ain't so! *rolls eyes*

Salen

Speaking for a lot of my friends: Geeks and Otaku are people too.

Josdeb

The level of stupid in that comment could ONLY come from a marketing exec.

Captain Impulse

It's just a shame that Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo all suck ass as companies but make good consoles.

Llost

Will we talk about the arrogance of Nintendo next generation like we do now about the "last-gen" arrogance of Sony?

Garo

I'd prove him wrong if I weren't such a geek.

nikolaj

@Nobuyuki:Do you know what your talking about on any subject, anywhere Nobuyuki? Or do you spout half truths not just on /furi/ but everywhere? The sales prove you wrong again.

Foxstar Sixtail

@bigd7387:

While I agree that Nintendo usually operates without thinking what the customer wants, I have to disagree with your Tengen example. Tengen was a subsidiary of Atari that tried to reverse engineer Nintendo's technology and ultimately resorted to illegally obtaining Nintendo's lock out chip code from the US copyright office under the false claim that they needed it for potential litigation against Nintendo. Tengen and Atari were thieves and crooks, not some small developer being repressed by big bad Nintendo.

ridleysaria

@tomrutters: I'd say no, it's wrong for companies to insult there audience and to have no accountability makes PR people about as useless as mindless fanboys. They should speak for the company and not just use any random insult or spin to try and push away general concerns.

Llost

Wow, what an arrogant prick. We've been here before in recent times, Nintendo with the NES, Sony witht he pre-launch PS3 hype, and now Nintendo is effectively pissing in their own drinking water.

Just remember, though your Wii may be more universally popular than any other console ever, if the GAMERS stop supporting it, you're fucked.

CanaryWundaboy

Yeah Geeks dig memory space, I even bought a 250 Gig for my PS3 and a 120 Gig Elite so I could purchase more downloadable content. As a marketing moron he should have at least figured that geeks and otakus BUY MORE GAMES, it's pretty simple. Why else would have Microsoft released a 120 Gig HDD as an upgrade kit if not to serve that market. Same goes for PS3 with its simple user upgradable HDD. On that subject why has the Wii crippled SD card transfer rates, this is a joke, it's of no use to geeks, my internet connection lets me redownload games faster than simple transfers to the SD card. Obviously this must be some snafu or else why would have Nintendo put 4 screens of channels if not to actually use them.

Nintendo should release a DECENT storage with DECENT speed, like maybe enable the USB ports in the back to function at 2.0 Hi-Speed and please make it so channels and games can actually be run from that storage. Yes that's what milions and geeks would like!

FredQC

Someone should photoshop that picture to make that sown-on letter an N :)

This sort of response is a pretty sad thing to happen really. Not only does it show that this guy is not a gamer but also that he doesn't understand 'his' gaming audience. I hope this guy gets a serious talking to from his boss.

Duoae

@TitillatedOcelot: @exaggeration17a: @bigd7387:

A pissant MD at NOE said this. And NOE has a proven track record for being idiots. Worse run division in gaming ever, rivaled only by Xbox's Japan division. Pay attention before you get the torches out.

Anyway, stupid comment, but I want a copy of the whole speech though context and whatnot can't save it..it's just a stupid, stupid comment.

Foxstar Sixtail

Maybe Nintendo forsees a future where all the WiiWare releases are akin to Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: My Life as a Stupid Little Kid Shackled by DLC and Unable to Leave Town, and all the VC releases are games you didn't care about back then, much less now, in which case I will not really need a HDD, which I think is what they want.

jBusiness

We can see how well your software sales look when you take away the geeks and otaku. The casual market you love so much buy the system and don't look beyond Wii Sports. And let me tell you, they're not buying VC games. So yeah, I guess it's true, the only people who complain about the lack of storage are the people who buy your product. Then again Nintendo have all but killed the Virtual Console in America, so maybe they are trying to drive me away.

Nobuyuki

@KingHippo:Then that takes a lot of fire out of his comments as the format he used it in would more truthful, but that does not make it much less insulting. Causal gamers are unlikely to run into memory issues and if they do, they are more willing to delete/redownload games.

I want a transcript of this event please.

Foxstar Sixtail

@KingHippo: But otaku is roughly equivalent to geek, only with a more negative connotation. (Except the American usage, which tends to have a positive spin, or at least an ironic/self-deprecating one.)

ビッグ ボス

OK, just to make sure, but is the "This is Nintendo of Europe, not Nintendo in general!" line the one that the Nintendo defenders are going to stick to this time? Or is there a list of talking points I can go check out somewhere?

ビッグ ボス

I've not bought any wii ware titles as I'm close to running out of space. As soon as my machine is full of VC games I'll stop downloading them. In one way I'd be happy if Nintendo never bought out a storage unit, as it'll save me money on future purchases.

I guess Nintendo don't want to invest money in a product that the mass market doesn't have a need for yet, so us gamers have to wait and suffer. Only problem is if we leave the Nintendo party are the mass of casuals really going to be that interested in sequels and new hardware revisions?

noboard

@Foxstar Sixtail: Nintendo hasn't really done much for the core audience, apart from releasing already successful franchises (who wouldn't do that?) they have made absolutely no effort to get any new hardcore titles, they've made Wii fit, Wii sports, wii play, link's crosswbow training and whatnot but why have they not concentrated on making any new core games? Because they're beginning to shift there focus away. And now it turns out they don't care if we have enough space to buy there games because we're fans and want there games?

Llost

@KingHippo: oh believe me, "otaku" is even more insulting than "geeks"

Abriael

Nintendo is making a huge mistake there.
Okay, nice they´re trying to reach casual/non gamer folks , not so nice that now it seems to be to the degree that they care so few for hardcore gamers that they think its fine insulting them.
But then they should also think about the playing and buying habits of casual gamers and non gamers some more.
These folks buy less games per person/system than a hardcore gamer by default and then more problematic to Nintendo are also way easier distracted from games or whatever else they bought as latest toy. They get way easier spoilt off the novelty.
Whle the hardcore gamers might bitch openly about Nintendo´s policy they are the type who will still wait out longest for the fix of issues. Hardcore gamers might download things till their space is filled up quickly and then actually waste time with clearing things off the Wii and then later redownloading it or copying it on to and from sd cards a few times, get annoyed but then still buy it when a propper solution for the space solution is available/sold.
What about the more casual type though? Yes, it will take a bit longer till they fill their system up but in return once they bought some VC and Wiiware stuff and their space is filled up, how much patience would those people have to copy stuff around or redownload it or wait for a propper solution by Nintendo?
In my eyes Nintendo has to come up with a solution and that quickly, once the casual guys are spolied with filled up space it will be very difficult to make them ever bother fiddling around with it again.
There you go Nintendo, its up to you.
Make games playable from the sd card or if that´s a too big piracy concern then sell an external addon hdd for existing wiis and integrate one right into the system for new sold machines.
Either that or you´ve got noone else to blame when soon way less VC and Wiiware games get sold and less and less developers are into developing Wiiware games.

tomsamson

Anyway, this comment definately remind me of the crap Hiroshi Yamauchi used to say: "People who play RPGs are depressed gamers who like to sit alone in their dark rooms and play slow games."

Abriael

I have to admit, I'd only be interested in a hard drive for the Wii if meant that WiiWare games could have a larger file size limitation than the 40-45 megs they have now. However, since you can't play things from SD cards, there's no reason to think that you could play things from a hard drive either, and so a hard drive would most likely not increase the potential space developers were allotted.

zebber

I'd like to clarify something here.

I'm a member of the games industry, and I was at this event. Fischer did indeed refer to "Otaku", but to the best of my knowledge he most certainly did not say "geeks". Had he done so and had I heard it, I'd have been remembered it, because I find that term demeaning.

So I believe he's being misquoted here. He never said "geeks", only "otaku".

KingHippo

If you saw the absolutely idiotic and kiddish treatment (even more than in other countries) the wii is getting, marketing wise, in europe, you wouldn't be surprised at the fact that laurent Fischer is a moron.

Abriael

@Combichristoffersen:The fabled 'core' did dick all to help Nintendo during the last two console genereations. The bulk of people who owned a N64 and GC were largely causal gamers. If the 'core' were the main people behind the system sales, Nintendo would have gone into the red.

@TitillatedOcelot:I tell anyone to pay attention who's not paying attention and you aren't doing so. And again, tell me how Nintendo is not focusing on it's 'core' fanbase again with it's release record on the Wii in the last two years? Back up your statements with proof first because save for Animal Crossing and a few others (F-Zero, Star Fox), Nintendo has done a better job of supporting the 'core' then the third parties have.

Foxstar Sixtail

Hah this is going the wrong way... and that guy is touching something he has no idea how to handle.

I do wan´t to believe that this isn't the generalized idea of Nintendo for the future, because if it is (and unfortunately the recent experiences come to support it) the next console they launch will have a very complicated debut.

That jackass is kind of forgetting that it was the Otakus and the Geeks that made Nintendo what they are today, so offending them/us/whatever is kind of spitting on the plate he gets his food from.

Nintendo disapoints me more and more everyday. Sad really.

Krumm

Nintendo hates us Europeans.

juhok

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Way to go, Nintendo. Keep on insulting your core audience, the ones who actually saved you from total wrack and ruin the last two console generations.

Combichristoffersen

Well she's right. I do want to see the issue addressed. Now please; really need to save more games.

NeoStarr

@Chalice: Well apart from Smash bro's I don't see much problem with the releases (like Wii fit coming here early) but all EU departments have been crap. Sony's EU side has been appalling, Nintendo's has and I've not heard much on MS but I'd imagine they're not doing as much as America either.

Llost

@Foxstar Sixtail: First off, don't tell me to pay attention. I've been here a while, and I generally don't make grandiose statements based on my gut feelings. Check my commenting history before you get out YOUR torch.

Second of all, regardless of whether or not this comment is coming from one man, the actions of Nintendo don't exactly seem to be going in the opposite direction. Maybe this peon's wording was a little more direct, but in general Nintendo is favoring their shiny new "non-gamer" market over the loyal fanbase that existed long before anyone knew what a Wii was.

And if this attitude doesn't eventually cost them the business of consumers, it will cost them the business of developers. Nintendo started bleeding franchises left and right in the Nintendo 64 days when they decided that games didn't need to move to disk-based media, because Nintendo had mad up their minds that cartridges were superior in every way. Fast forward to now, and you'll find that eventually companies that don't want to restrict the size of their projects due to the lack of a hard drive are going to look elsewhere. Ths buzz surrounding the Wii isn't infinite. Eventually, developers are going to need to see that Nintendo is willing to meet them halfway. So far, all signs point to Nintendo reverting into a father-knows-best mentality, refusing to admit that there might be room for further change.

TitillatedOcelot

At times I just wish Nintendo of Europe would roll over and die. They have possibly the most incompetant marketting ever and some of the most unreliable release schedules I've ever seen.

Chalice

I thought Nintendo liked money? I haven't bought a single VC game since I filled my memory space up. If Nintendo want to sell any more VC games to me, they will need to sell some additional storage first. Or perhaps Nintendo would prefer I just go and download the roms instead...?

photoboy

"You know, when you were a baby in your crib, your father looked down at you, he had but one hope - some day my son will grow to be a man. Well look at you now. You just got your asses whipped by a bunch of goddamn nerds. NERDS!! Well, if I was you, I'd do something about it. I would get up and redeem myself in the eyes of my father, my maker, and my coach!"

"WELL LET'S GET THOSE NERDS!!!"
"NERDS!!!!!"
"NEEEEERDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Donald Gibb - the greatest actor of the modern era. See also Bloodsport.

KaneRobot

@nastysquared:So blood, guts and boobs then?

Foxstar Sixtail

@nastysquared:Nintendo's moved past MP3's. Did you miss the reason for the Photo Channel upgrade/downgrade earlier this year?

DVD's are also unlikely and pointless.

Everyone demands new IP, but doesn't buy it.

Foxstar Sixtail

Well, these geeks and otaku also drive software and hardware sales. And how the hell do you think that Nintendo has gotten to this point in timw. Geeks and otaku. If it wasn't for us "geeks and otaku", Nintendo wouldn't be able to even think about going for the "casual" gamer.

KM91

@nastysquared: Sorry... I meant new original MATURE IP.

nastysquared

I'll take this comment with a grain of salt since it's from a marketing department.

That being said I've always been a Nintendo supporter, however if they don't have some announcements that peak my interest at E3... well, I'm thinking about jumping ship.

Things that might peak my interest:
1. Storage solution (HDD, SDHC support, playing off SD cards... whatever).
2. New, ORIGINAL IP.
3. Some new channels (Pandora channel, MP3 channel, DVD channel... I don't even care if I have to pay for them)

nastysquared

I try to hold off and not overuse this, but this idiotic simply begs for Bill Hicks:

+ Watch video

DaiMacculate

@Foxstar Sixtail:
I thought Wario Ware and Pikmin sold relatively good? *confuzzled*

Combichristoffersen

@Llost:We fall back into the trap that new IP sells for complete crap. Let's look at some the new Nintendo IP developed over the last..oh, five years. Most of it sold for complete and utter shit and only a few sold any better.

Custom Robo
Wario Ware
Pikmin
Chibi Robo
Elite Beat Agents
Electroplankton
Golden Sun
Hotel Dusk

Gamers scream all the time they want new IP and even when it's disgustingly well done, they don't buy it. If I was Nintendo, I'd shift focus to my tried and true IP's and focus on them too, at least I'd know my development time would be fruitful.

Foxstar Sixtail

Is there some reason that hardware space and online is handled by braindead monkeys over at Nintendo?

Come on guys...this is so simple...

Rebochan

A pretty lame statement to make on their part.. I'm still not regretting selling my Wii. I'm sure it's making some Soccer mom very happy.

PlasmaMachine

@The_guiding_blue: Bill Gates, yes?

TitillatedOcelot

*Sigh*
Reporter: "Commissioner Kelly, New York City still has many unresolved issues involving racial profiling with members of the Police department against African Americans throughout the city, specifically in areas that have a major influx of people in the said racial demographic. How do you hope to help address this situation?"

Commissioner Raymond Kelly: "Huh? I don't see the relevance of your comment. Crybabies and criminals are the only people who would want that issue addressed."

Man, I wish you could sweep any issue under the rug with insults. Granted, Fischer's statement wasn't in response to something as serious as racial profiling, but still just as woefully dismissive and uncalled for. Yes, wanting more system memory to actually play some damn games on your system without buying a memory card is obviously the wailing of geeks and otakus. What the hell does either one have to do with the subject being addressed? This is not the person who should be speaking for a company if he can't give a real answer to real questions. Nice way to make people actually want to bother with what WiiWare is offering.

Addressing WiiWare itself, I don't see it becoming something that will be very noteworthy or revolutionary anyway. I can't really see developers wiling to take it upon themselves to create something genuinely enjoyable when Nintendo pretty much is saying " As long as your a developer with a license to publish specific titles on our console, do whatever you want. We don't care what you do, just do it by the time WiiWare launches in your country, and do it within regulations." It's this type of lax decision making that got so many lackluster third-party games approved on the Wii to begin with. Now I can expect developers to create the same "quality" titles on WiiWare because Nintendo feels having something to show is better than nothing, yet again? Count me out on this until it can be seen as anything but a quick way for developers to cash in on rehashes and ports that makes minor use of the Wii's functionality, without the slightest bit of real effort to create something above average.

KeroseneClimax

"256k should be enough for anybody"

The_guiding_blue

@Foxstar Sixtail: I did back up my position with proof. The "core" audience (geeks and otaku) are asking for a hard drive attachment. Nintendo as a whole has countered by meeting the suggestion with a collective "meh". This article has nothing to do with the games you've mentioned, and thus I wasn't commenting on them. My statements were in response to a general attitude that is coming from Nintendo, in which they don't listen to what consumers and developers want - They'll tell consumers and developers what they want.

And I say again that the difference in our opinions has nothing to do with any failure on my part to pay attention.

TitillatedOcelot

@Foxstar Sixtail:

The majority of the people who bought the N64 and the GC were people who already were established Nintendo fans, i.e. their core audience. The casual gamers were buying PS1s and PS2s in droves. So I'd say Nintendo were largely saved by their core audience when everyone else were sailing the Sony ship.

Combichristoffersen

That was amazingly stupid. 'Geeks and Otaku' are the ones that will buyt 15+ wiiware games. They are the ones who, once pissed, will mod their system and more importantly: WE are the ones who ensured the Gamecubes survival.

I thought arrogance had left that company but apparently its still alive in Europe.

majatt

The Geeks and Otakus are being punished for only buying one Gamecube each, you call yourselves Nintendo fans?!

TeaBean

@coan_net:VC games are pure profit, so no, they aren't losing money on you.

Foxstar Sixtail

This comment sounds about right.
*is a geek/otaku*

Silent Predator

Well I can tell you that Nintendo loses money on me.

I have a Wii, but I limit myself on the amount of WiiWare & virtual counsel games that I get.... just for the reason that something else might come out that I might like even more, and I don't want to be stuck without enough space.

If I knew I would have enough space for everything, then I would probable start to buy more.... but as it is now, it has to be something that I REALLY want (not something that would just be cool & fun to play.)

coan_net

Haha, I don't know how smart it is for a Nintendo director to start insulting its core audience ... "geeks and otakus," I dunno, even if we take it as a sort of pride word, I don't think she really meant it in a positive light.

GamerBunny

@Llost: Well I'm glad to hear I'm not overreacting! Apology won't come and nor will a resignation, sadly. Of that I'm sure.

tomrutters

And there sure aren't very many geeks who own a Nintendo Wii...

Quilt

@Ryumeka:No.

Foxstar Sixtail

@Nico8332:

Which unfourtunaly, is the way the human mind works. We want more of what we like. The more we're comitted to something, the more we frown upon someone changing the formula.

The true irony of this statement is, despite knowing this, people will still scream for a change to games like Zelda. Like before TP came out people were talking about Link dying as the world flooded. People confise me some times.

EmeraldDragon

@Rebochan: New franchises apparently only count if they sell five bajillion copies right out of the gate.

megaStryke

@Llost:

So despite the fact they have put out all their major core fanchises in less then 2 years, which is something of a record for them, and thus put more forth more "core" games for the then any other developer thus far, you are upset because they aren't doing more?

That's like being upset at Budgie because they spent all their time making a new Halo instead of investing in new IP's first.

Look at it like this. Nintendo knows the third party developers are dicking around and some aren't the least bit interested in putting out "core" title for the Wii. So Nintendo puts out all it's core titles to prove their audiance isn't all casuals. And yeah, it took a while, but we are finally seeing more core third party games like Okami and NMH.

You can't blame Nintendo because third parties are run by morons.

As for the comment that started this mess: NOE has a terminal case of footinmouth disease; always has, probably always will.

EmeraldDragon

@Fishballs: Hah, great!

@KaneRobot: Such a great movie.

I'm kind of getting the feeling Nintendo and all it's associates don't like their customers any more.

Kanik

@DaiMacculate:
There's always room for goatboy.

Combichristoffersen

@Foxstar Sixtail: As with Christoffersen, I was under the impression that Wario Ware and Pikmin didn't sell that badly, new "weird" franchises have a much harder time than new "realistic/gritty" franchises. Yet all of those are encompassed by established franchises.

Which unfourtunaly, is the way the human mind works. We want more of what we like. The more we're comitted to something, the more we frown upon someone changing the formula. Imagine if Nintendo made a new Mario RPG, then at the same time announcing they were scratching a new Mario platformer. Even if the new Mario was absolutely terrific, they would still have an outrage on their hands that would rival "New Coke/Coca Cola".

"Super Mario Galaxy 2: The Attack of the Rabid Lunas" will outsell "Elite Beat Agents Wii" any day. Hell, even Mario Sluggers will probably sell 7-digits. Chastizing Nintendo from milking their franchises, is kind of like critizing Coca Cola from pumping out the same damn brown liquid year after year. As long as they make huge profits off of it, they will continue to do so.

Nico8332

@Foxstar Sixtail: Aren't they mostly 2nd party games? Nintendo themselves really haven't made any new characters (not Mario or Zelda characters)

Ryumeka

@Foxstar Sixtail: Custom Robo is not a new IP, it's just the first one released in America.

WarioWare is a leading Nintendo franchise now.

Pikmin was very well received and a best seller.

Golden Sun did very well and trust me, we all want more of it.

But thanks for highlighting all those IPs anyway. Oh, and don't forget Ouendan, which EBA is part of.

Seriously, Nintendo makes new IPs all the time and they still take flack for servicing fans of their core franchises. People who say Nintendo makes the same game over and over are people that can't be bothered to let silly things like "facts" get in the way.

Oh, and WiiFit? WiiSports? Those are also new IPs, guys! Nintendo is *still* making them.

Rebochan

Can't say I'm really that surprised...I mean, Nintendo has been moving away from the core "gamer" demographic for some time now. They've taken a new approach to marketing, a new approach with game play, and a new approach with content, and have found that they're making more money because of it.

Just look at those new DS commercials...gamers of old have been given the door, as Nintendo has found the hot, new 20-something year old to replace us...namely, females (classic non-gamer stereotype, I know), 35+ year olds, the elderly, and families.

Chromeo

the biggest deal is rockband -- that is why the wii owners get screwed -- discs? wtf. songs you dont want, that you have to pay for, to get the 3 you do want.

Twyst

Kinda strange that pretty much the only people that will hear about this comment are the hardcore people that keep up with the gaming industry.

Sam_Lowry

shouldnt people want to download their games? they dont want people to have room to do that?

Twyst

@coan_net:

You know you can delete VC games and redownload them without charge later, right?

EmeraldDragon

Personally I don't see whats the big deal. You can always download everything you have once purchased again.

Out of 10+ VC and Wiiware games I only play two or three of them, rest will go when I need more space.

However if they ever start selling bigger games, movies or tv-shows thru Wii, then extra storage space is needed

Hansel

Sorry, but it was true, if a bit dismissive or impolitic.

It may not be true next year, but it's true now. Most Wii owners are not anywhere close to out of space and many who are don't see a big deal about moving old stuff to external storage/SD cards.

I'd love a hard drive too but why pretend? Most people are either not out of memory or accept that consoles are *NOT* computers and you don't have limitless space?

tincow

@EmeraldDragon:

Agreed on the patronizing aspect of the "girl gamer" term.

However, we gamers are a highly demanding group. If enough time passes without enough attention paid to us, more than likely we will shift our focus to something else; Be it a new medium of entertainment, or a new platform for the current medium we are already enjoying.

My main problem is with the new slew of DS commercials. Each one shows a (I'm assuming here, as I've never seen any of these people before) prominently popular female celebrity playing with the Nintendo DS, showing as much focus on the game as they are showing on the famous person playing it.

Now, I'm sure this will real in a few new non-gamers. However, the 13-18 year old male market, of which image is still a rather large feature of their young lives, may take these commercials to heart assuming that the Nintendo DS is a portable gaming system aimed at females only.

Is Nintendo shooting themselves in the foot with these commercials? No, not at all...it may help to bring in additional members of their newer target demographic. However, Nintendo has to be careful; If the general gamer populace goes ignored for far too long, we may turn our attentions else where.

Chromeo

I always thought the best girl games were the best games in general. Targeted schlock is schlock, be it for girls, guys, aliens, espers, or time travelers. ^_^

That said, on this, I think Nintendo is throwing away money here, and being arrogant about it.

arstal

@JimElNino:To be fair, the PS3's issues and troubles following it after launch had little to do with what the talking heads said, most people never heard about those things. The price and lack of games caused them the most headaches.

Foxstar Sixtail

Laurent Fischer is an anagram of "Chafe Inter Slur"

Coincidence?

I think not!!!........

.....Wamker!

TokeYo

Man I am so fucking tired of Nintendo, I was a Nintendo fanboy or whatever you what to call it till about 5-6 years ago, I only bought Nintendo consoles and said everything else was crap. I was a freaking moron, when I got my PS2 everything I thought about gaming changed and now these years later after just buying an Xbox 360 (My first MS console) and loving it and my PS3 SOOOO much more then that shit stain of a console called a Wii (which I also own).

Nintendo you have turned right back into the cocky over confident company you were when the PSOne came out of no where and kicked the crap out of you, and guess what? This time when the dust has cleared and the fad has ended, and all those casual gamer idiots leave to try out the next latest trend you will be left standing alone a cocky over confident company. You will have no loyal customers to bail you out this time either, because you have tried so to push them and your past away that they like me finally just say "enough of your casual gaming BS, and core gamer hate you don't care about us anymore then we don't need or want you anymore".

Enjoy your time back on top Nintendo do all your pompous BS talking now because once the fad is over you will be worse off then you ever were before it, and it will be all your own fault.

-WPack911

WPack911

@Chromeo:

*speaking as a female*

Please. Do you ahve any idea how patronizing the "girl gamer" market is? The titles are mediocar at best, and condisending at worst. The fact that third parties can't get their collective head out of the sand is not Nintendo's fault.

And yeah know what, logic dictates that they advertise to casuals more. These people don't follow the industry and have no idea what is out there. On the other hand, I bet every commenter here can name games they will buy months, if not years, in advance of their release. Why advertise to us when we have already made up our minds?

EmeraldDragon

@Foxstar Sixtail: No, not blood guts and boobs.

I would consider Metroid to be mature, and it doesn't have any of those. Maybe mature is a bad choice of words but I'd rather not have another Pikmin, Wario Ware or Elite Beat agents...

I would like to see a new, original IP with a deep, engaging storyline that I can sink a ton of hours into before I beat the game. When was the last time we saw one of those from Nintendo?

nastysquared

Wonder if he enjoys the taste of his own foot.

Does Not Equal

Oh I see this guy is going to be in charge for a looooong time.

Manator (Follow me and die!)

This European hack really probably just said aloud what the head honchos in Kyoto believe.

And you know what? Nintendo can fuck right off as well, thank you very much.

RawSteelUT

@nastysquared:Fire Emblem and Days of Ruin. There you go.

Foxstar Sixtail

@Chromeo:

Well, all things have to be taken in balance. The TV commercials are generally aimed at casuals, but the core ads are generally found in magazines and they tend to be more male focused. It's really about putting your money where it will be most effective.

@nastysquared:

When was the last time you saw one of those from any third party developed for the Wii?

EmeraldDragon

@nastysquared: Fire Emblem? Or so I've heard. I guess you can count Golden Sun as well. That latest Advance Wars is pretty solid. Of course, these are not necessarily new franchises except for Golden Sun which is in limbo, but now I'm just listing things and I should be shot.

megaStryke

He may be right.
However this is also a direct F-you to those same groups. You know what? F-you too, Nintendo. You've dropped your fans fast and hard, turned to focus on "non-gamers" and continue to try to satiate the core market with weasel speak and token gestures.

The Wii was kind of novel for a few weeks (Wiiks?) but even with a dozen games I haven't touched it in a month, and before that another month or two. I've tried to drink the Kool-Aid because really it's more fun that way, but I ran out long ago. I have no compelling reason to play it over any other system I own. It's the biggest game console mistake I've made (forgetting all the Nintendo peripherals I bought that support 1-3 games,) and I own a Barcode Battler! You've continually failed your oldest fans with too little, too late. Enjoy your casual market, clearly it's the smart business choice, but you've got less than a dozen titles I care about across your current lineup of platforms so... uh... go Sony? At least they consistently target the male 20-40 market of core gamers and that suits me just fine!

fuchikoma

Oh it's on now. It's on like Donkey Kong.

Shit, did I just prove their point?

Enkur

href="#c6166237">nastysquared:
href="#c6165236">Foxstar Sixtail:
My bad, internal development team, but still... Fire Emblem is hardly a new IP.

I'll give you advance wars though.@

nastysquared

@Foxstar Sixtail: Development of both of these titles was not handled by Nintendo, they were the publisher.

nastysquared

Whatever, Nintendo.

Alienate those who are actually BUYING your VC stuff.

Altima NEO

Ahhhhhh yeah. Here's the shitstorm.

CaptainAtman

Who cares what this asshat says this is what Iwata had to say about us "geeks" and "otaku"

Iwata:
Statistically speaking, it is true that there are a small number of customers who feel that the flash memory is too small, while many others find that they have plenty of memory. However, because this small number of people are none other than the most avid players, we know we have to review the best possible solution to eliminate their inconvenience.

Thanatos-

i think i fall pretty squarely into the geek category, and i haven't quite managed to run out of space yet. But then I haven't really bought any VC games. Wiiware games take a lot of space, I only have 2 of them and only 1000 blocks of memory left. Along with system updates, it isn't going to be too long before I run out of space, so I'd imagine memory is going to be a problem with more casual players before too long as well.

sohpi

Pretty bad when a marketing exec makes a comment that does the exact opposite of what a marketing exec's only job is. To get more people buying more of a product or service.

Roto13

Well considering that so-called geeks and otaku like myself are spending considerable amounts of money on Nintendo product, including virtual console games and wii ware, the memory space issue should be addressed. I could easily pump that money into my 360 instead. Or maybe I'll finally get a PS3.

evilonion

Don't worry people, the Modding community will have a solution very soon, and with it will come the ability to pirate the crap out of wiiware and virtual console games.

now if that's not Nintendo getting bitten in their ass becuase of their arrogance I don't know what is.

jigglypoofs

When it's these geeks and otaku that got Nintendo where it is today, that is a very mean thing to say. Apparently making a load of casual cash turns some people into arrogant jerks. Why would you alienate people who want to buy your new line of digitally distributed products? What an odd thing to do.

Wolfers

I am otaku and yes I would like more Wii memory space.

Do we want to make a sale or no? =|

Channing

@WPack911: if you hate the Wii so much than sell it. I know a lot of people who'd appreciate it more than you would. I can count the amount of true casual games Nintendo have released on one hand. and you claim Nintendo were an arrogant cocky company when the PS1 came out, did you know Sega effectively beat Nintendo with the Mega Drive?? and I consider the N64 the best console I've ever owned

Nintendo of Europe of course are fucking terrible so I couldn't give a damn what they say, they'll probably get the news of USB drive testing for the Wii 4 months from now

excel_excel

@TeaBean: Yes you are right, real Microsoft fans have to get maybe 4 or 5 XBoxes just to keep playing because of RROD.

FredQC

Why do the European Divisions of game companies always say the stupidest things? Its kind of odd. And, this guy sucks.

Placentasaurus

my folks at lambda lambda lambda will be angry over this!

sirmarcelot

@excel_excel: I seriously doubt that anyone in Nintendo Europe even reads the news :p Maybe they can´t read... hmm that wold explain a lot...

If this guy worked for me i assure you he wold get the boot.
He may think whatever the f%$# they want and they can even talk about it internally (which i most certainly believe they do), but that ends there, someone with as much responsibility as this guy (he probably still doesn't understand what he did wrong) should always protect the companies interests at all times, thats why they pay him i guess. Even if he has to say something he doesn't really agree with.
It´s called being professional about his job, which he certainly isn't.

Krumm

Just keep telling yourself that Nintendo.

Brain_Craters

What an ass. The only thing that has stopped me from purchasing more WiiWare/VC titles is the lack of memory that I would rather save for Wii titles, but I shouldn't have to worry about that if I had enough space....hmmmm...

TheDaftPunk

and it is because of crap like this that i hate nintendo (still shelled out and bought a wii to play smash. im ashamed of myself)

maraxusofk

Ha marketing suits got to love them, yes I'm sure the dozens of people I know that only bought a game system for Rock Band or Guitar Hero would in no way want to give your company more money and buy new songs.

Pornosaur

Nintendo Europe, as arrogant and useless as ever. *sighs*

Overlord44

(Announcer voice)
And so... Nintendo continued their long running habit of making fictitious comments based on the erroneous ramblings of a madman.

trelantana

His comment only shows you how clueless Nintendo is of its own business, really. They are banking everything on the waggle like it's the only reason people own a Wii. They think that the wiimote alone justifies their crappy hardware and distribution system. If MS had Nintendo IPs it would make each and every one of them multi-million sellers. Oh well, I'll be here to see how soon they'll go to third place again next generation.

gencid

@Foxstar Sixtail: And why does any company deserve a customer's support. If the company chooses to attract a new audience It has every right to do so. Nintendo chose not to use disks over carts and developers chose not to develop as many games for them. Whose fault is that. No ones. It is a free market and people can do as they please. Nintendo chose to use a proprietary disc media for the GC, developers balked again. If consumers don't want the product they don't have to buy it. You imply that Nintendo or any developer deserves patronage, and that isn't the case. If people want those products they will buy them. It is simple as that. I owned a Game Cube. I loved it in fact. I bought It and games for it. I don't want a wii because they are not producing games for it that interest me. That is fine. They decided to develop for a different audience so I chose a different console.

Daemonati

Wow, they've become arrogant.

fenderfuel08

I sometimes think Nintendo succeeds despite itself. Yeah with VC and WiiWare only people who would be interested in more harddrive space are the people who want to play those games. Well, looks like Nintendo doesn't want anyone's money.

Daemonati

Uhh...when MS and Sony release their next consoles your sure as hell know they will be casual friendly, online capable, waggle equipped and Blu Ray ready.

Really, they're just arrogant like Sony was with the PS2 and they are going to get some humble pie when the next wave of consoles come.

fenderfuel08

You see that people, Nintendo's new direction is soccer moms and grannies, thus the geek and otaku demographic need not apply anymore.

EnigmaNemesis

@fenderfuel08:
I agree. It seems like whenever one company gets a very arrogant attitude, the next generation burns them badly. PS2 ---> PS3 for an example. Nintendo already saw that during the Gamecube era, yet they are repeating their mistake.

neoepochx

All of you Europeans can fight back at Nintendo by not buying SSBB when it comes out on FALL 2008. That'll grab their attention.

DJSessum

Sadly, I've been feeling that this really IS how Nintendo approaches the gaming market now. I don't feel as though us "nerds" count for much in Nintendo's new plan for world domination. I'm glad I jumped off the Wii bandwagon about 4 months ago when I sold my Wii. Got plenty of money for that sucker from the soccer mom who bought it from me (Seriously! Yay for true stereotypes!).

ODLdragonjoe

I know people who've filled their 20gb 360 drives, with movies and demos and live games, I can easily see the wii having enough content that people want being released over the next few years that with saves, VC, and now wiiware, it's only a matter of time till people run out. The least they could do is let people run games from their SD cards, and lock it to their wii's serial number or something.

Talleh

Which gaming company is stupid enough to piss off geeks? That's like Spalding insulting basketball players! Hell, everyone knows that casual gamers are extremely fickle. THe hardcore are the only ones who can keep a company alive in bad times. Casuals should only come second.

shak_0

Ok, Nintendo. Is that how you want to play this? So... you don't want to fix this memory problem. Fine. I've already stop buying Wii titles and Wiiware. And only play my old GameCube Games, in between BUYING NEW TITLES for my PS3.

There, I just solved your memory problem for you.

jamBot

Wow, that's great. That's a great business plan. But guess what? "We", your loyal customers will still be here, when "Grandma-come-lately" gets bored of this little "fade", and realize that they have to pony-up more money in a few years for another console. This time priced at $350 and Games at $70.

Ok, Nintendo. Is that how you want to play this? Fine. So... you don't want to fix this memory problem. I've already stop buying Wii titles and Wiiware. And only play my old GameCube Games on the Wii, in between BUYING NEW TITLES for my PS3.

There, I just solved your memory problem for you.

jamBot

Ok, Nintendo. Fine. Is that how you want to play this? So... you don't want to fix this memory problem. I've already stop buying Wii titles and Wiiware. And play my old Game Cube Games on the Wii, in between BUYING NEW TITLES for my PS3. There, I've just solved your memory problem for you.

Let's see just how many "casual gamers" will stick-wit-U, when the next "CabagePatch Doll" (etc.) rolls around. Yeah, "We" will still be here, when "Grandma-come-lately" gets bored of this little "fade", after they realize they'll have to pony-up more cash for another console in a few years, to play the next version of the same games. This time, the starting price $400 and Games at $70.

Yeah... Watch... We'll see... how many "casuals" will jump ship. As, we watch Nintendo collectively start kissing "OUR ASS" -- their core customers. Two years. Get your chapstick out Nintendo.

jamBot

>:( Does anyone have Laurent Fischer's contact info?

silkylove

Wow hearing this is fucking sad. I'm glad that i sold my Wii and made double the profit from it. now i got more time with my 360. Now if you will excuse me i got to tear down my Reggie Fils-Aime posters and start putting up my Jamzy posters in my room. Damn being a Geek/Otaku is hard work.

MURDERFACE

NoE is so ignorant!

CrazyBlue

Hey, revenge of the nerds! That was an awesome movie. I never knew that anyone, with the exception of Uwe Boll of course, would ever get the idea to insult their demographic so much.

Spiderbait

Well, you suck Nintendo. First THIS as a response, the usual crap of acting like it is a trivial matter: Message(#6851-000682-0366\6820366) Hello and thank you for contacting Nintendo, We appreciate your feedback regarding the Wii console. At this time, we haven�t heard of any plans to offer a way to expand the memory capabilities of the system. I will, however, be happy to pass along your e-mail to the appropriate department for further review. If we announce plans in the future for an external storage device (such as a USB drive or an external hard drive), or a way to save to, or transfer data from, an SD Card, we�ll be sure to post this information to our website (www.nintendo.com). Be sure to check our site often for all the latest Nintendo news. Sincerely, Nintendo of America Inc. Sharon Matheny Nintendo's home page: http://www.nintendo.com/ Power Line (Automated Product Info): (425) 885-7529 ----- Take our Survey! You have been chosen to participate in an e-mail quality survey. This should take less than 5 minutes. Please click here: http://www.nintendo.com/consumersurvey.jsp?ref=nickmlee@verizon.net ----- ORIGINAL MESSAGE: ----------------- From: CENSORED Posted At: 19:04:41.000 05/15/2008 Posted To: Nintendo Subject: Webform: Wii > General Questions / Feedback The Wii REALLY is in need of support for running channels off of an SD Card, USB hard drive, or a USB flash drive. I find this a fatal flaw to the wii. I need to delete channels after buying 5 virtual console games. Users are more inclined to get your WiiWare and Virtual Console games IF we could actually store them! Nintendo, you lost a fanboy. The gamecube sucked, now the wii, an awesome system being screwed over by 3 things--no power, crappy multiplayer, and NO FREAKING STORAGE!!!!! No power keeps great games like GTA4 from coming to the Wii. The multiplayer sucks, killing replay value. And the DLC! Don't make me laugh. The DLC isn't even the right games. Rather than give us true classics, you gave us crap. You may as well fix your problems. People already have hacked your system so it runs things off SD cards, is sure as heck works better than what you do!

SatyaKaplah

All I have to say is NNNNNEEEERRRRRRRRRDDSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

freespeech

you guys are geeks and otakus

thejakeman: probably disagrees with you