@kumuasata:

try $200 dollars chief

but classic ignorance on pc gaming at kotaku doesn't surprise me

dozerking

@braagh: I have filtered nothing!

Michael McWhertor

Now time for a bunch of questions to AMD.

1] will it blend
2] can it play crysis on high
3] can it cure cancer
4] is it more the 20,000$
5] can it attack huge crabs for critical damage
6] can it display 5d graphics
7] Can it render my favorite shade of grey/ brown
8] will it play pac-man

deathtastic

wtf, so they are doing Graphics now? why not processing?

TheNocturnalSun

Welcome to Moore's Law. So glad AMD could make it.

GnatB

And it's going to cost more than "every generation of video game console ever brought to market combined"

PeteeWJ

@parad0x360: Actually, regardless of the GPU's lack of processing power, if it is actually based on the 7000-series from nVidia, it still has the capability to show off visuals that are stunning. (Metal Gear Solid 4 has an unprecedented level of visual quality compared to other PS3 titles)

I don't think it's really outdated, only by technical specifications. It's really a matter of the level of skill provided by the developers themselves that will allow a chip's true, maximum potential to shine through.

Thus, this demonstration doesn't help.

NKato

As long as they have the shitty drivers, ATi is not an option. Is their OpenGL performance still as awful as it used to be? (havent owned a ATi card in ages).
I'd also like to see some improvement in power consumption (and related to that, noise levels), especially in idle. True ATI does perform better than Nvidia in that respect but it's still unacceptably high.
Graphics cards are the main reason 600+ watt PSU's are the norm these days.

CheechWizz

@Vidunder: Wii thank you very much.

Shiryu

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: Would you beleive that one never arrived in Europe? Along with Parasite Eve 1 and Einhänder! Those were some dark times, when the PSX was looking like SNES all over again. Big SquareSoft games comming out only in the other side of the Atlantic... scary.

It will be quite hard to get the entire original dev team consent to bring back XenoGears, and I believe this is also one of the major problems with getting SqueEnix games on the Wii Virtual Console...

Shiryu

Even the Phantom?

Eltigro

you would be surprised just how many corners are cut in games like gears of war to keep the FPS reasonable, pulling in draw distance, lowering texture resolution, fog, motion blur, closing up the gameplay area. Gears of war graphics are nothing special, they are just very polished. The graphics capability of the 360 was already surpassed by decent video cards before the 360 even came out.

And no, a comp built to run gears of war would not cost anywhere near 1000 bucks unless you feel like factoring in printers and speakers and other peripheries that don't have any impact on performance.

Flyingdebris

@Grimmjow Jeagerjaques: he must have ment that. I'd buy it in an instance.

SofaKingHI

@Shiryu: Wii laughs at your statement.

Vidunder

Its not the power, but what you can do with it. Games win console generations, not hardware/power. Still... go for it, AMD.

Shiryu

@Coquiton: I think it's an inherent flaw in American/Western design theory. "The shinier it is, the better it is."

Frankly, I think that's a load of hock. If they can't reduce their reliance on certain methods of rendering such as Normal Mapping (also known as bump mapping) which tends to result in shiny highlights for the textures that are not natural for the material properties it is applied to such as rusty metal or cloth, which ends up looking too shiny even in low light conditions.

Relief mapping, though, is a relatively new method of rendering and is much more appealing than normal mapping.

Frankly, I wish people would try to scale back their emphasis on realistic graphics in games except for where it matters the most.

NKato

"[...]giving game creators nearly limitless depths of brown to explore with space marine armor achieving nearly unimaginable levels of detail."

At first I rofled, and then wept a little, because, sadly, that's true.

=/

Daniel_RA

woooooooooooooooooooow! I'm frantically waiting for a trillion of new FPS with wonderful graphics and the usual BUDDABUDDA drivel! woo hoo.
Let's hope MAME runs well on those darn chips.

Vidunder

@xIvSlowDeath420: No... by multiple reviews that have already benchmarked the low-mid range 4850 card, and have compared it to nvidia's offerings, as well as ATI's own 3870x2.

warxsnake

Eh...this matters naught when PC developers have a hard time making the most out of the current generation of hardware as it is, especially considering that they have to be "backwards compatible" with lesser graphics cards.

Datheron

@Datheron: Wait. You're saying my statement wasn't sarcastic at all? Damnit!

Arsenicberyllium

Not a suprise.

Viper

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: oh damn....I meant Xenogears...my bad

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

Shouldn't make a uproar in the industry.
Specially because nvidia hasn't really shown the true power of the Nvidia 9000 chip series.

I think that Nvidia series 10 will top that.

pulyx

@warxsnake: "class of ATI cards (4850,4870,4870x2) is considered the best price:performance class ever."

By they're owners LOL

xIvSlowDeath420

Until they release video's of it's in game capabilites, a price range, stats to show it's frames per second on top games (Crisis etc.) then I'm not really interested.

Llost

@Sonic_and_Tails: It will of course also be able to render greater levels of bloom than ever seen before.

[www.vgcats.com]

I Think We're Property

AMD Graphics Chip More Powerful Than Every Game Console Combined, Says AMD. Great to run games like Solitaire, Mine Sweeper, and Hearts.

optimusprime

Imagine what it will do with solatiare!!!

AchievmentSlave

@PsycheE: I made a small mistake. The price range for the mid-tiered cards are around 200's and the high end card at around 379-400.

This is all in dollars.

PsycheE

@Dao2SKP: When the 360 came out it was capable of more then pc's were. The PS3 GPU is based on the 7000 series of nvidia graphics cards so yes it is behind the 360 and modern pc but it can still holds its own quite well.

pc gamers are so quick to write off consoles (graphics wise) but games like Gears of War and MGS4 are perfect reasons why that is just plain stupid.

Building a pc that can run even the first Gears at the same quality and resolution as it runs on the 360 would probably cost $1000 TODAY if not more. Hell my $3600 pc from a year and a half ago has problems running GOW.

parad0x360

More powerful than all the consoles combined? Damn I wonder how much thats gonna cost.

Samicham85

All that power, and yet, the video still looks like shiny plastic...

And yeah, Ruby has a shiny suit. But there's a limit, why does it look like she covered her suit in two layers of Vaseline, sprayed on some gloss, and took a dip in a pool of varnish?

Coquiton

@Grimmjow Jeagerjaques: ...

@Luke Plunkett: heh.

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: ......

@Grimmjow Jeagerjaques:

Green-clad Gamer Dude

@I Think We're Property: close enough.

muu

i love how everyone here is throwing around numbers like "only available for $100000000". no wonder pc gaming is shunned, since people instantly think everything thats good is going to cost a lot.

It is my sad duty to inform these consolites (only them can be so blind) that this class of ATI cards (4850,4870,4870x2) is considered the best price:performance class ever.
these cards starting at 199$ upto 450$ can deliver these graphics and do a better job than their nvidia counterparts, specially the GTX280 which costs 650$.

warxsnake

...and everything is still unreasonably shiny.

Also: Nice filter McWhertor. Makes it feel even more realistic.

braagh

"every shade of brown"

hahahahaha nice work.

Sonic_and_Tails

@Arsenicberyllium: This is likely to be a chip that will be used in a new computer configuration for the AMD gaming PC offerings, or as the main chip for the next generation of consoles.

NKato

@Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.: Xenosaga? you mean Xenogears, right?

Grimmjow Jeagerjaques

But will it have driver support?, what?

PsycheE

@Grimmjow Jeagerjaques: now THAT'S news. Any word on a possible XenoSaga for the PSN store? I'd love to get that.

AMD? meh...I just finished MGS4 and I could care less what they claim. I'm still a bit in shock from what my PS3 was pushing with that game. Perfect? No, But the best demonstration of superior production quality bar none. It rocked my face off and I still have God of War3, and FFXIII (in 2078) to look forward to.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

@Arsenicberyllium: Uh, you do know that hardware accelerates exponentially and so pretty much every console in every generation of consoles is probably equal if not better than the entire previous generation combined, right? You know, Moore's Law and what-not, a console generation = ~3*18 months so you'd expect 8x the amount of transistors...

Datheron

Cool, cool, all this power is awesome....now....where are the good games? Oh wait. The PC is being abandoned by developers. Too bad if I don't give a shit anymore, AMD.

Candlejack

Glad I've been holding out for the 4800 series now.
Man the idea gives me shivers.

Mustakrakish

@Fox: Opps, I meant to quote Arsenicberyllium there.

Fox

@muu: Moore's Law. You mean Moore's Law, not Murphy's Law. Although I'm sure you can probably find some way that Murphy's Law will end up applying itself to this processor, as well.

I Think We're Property

@Grimmjow Jeagerjaques: /facepalm

Luke Plunkett

Just give us Crysis benchmarks, a sexy screenshot of a techdemo does nothing.

Tetelestia

@Flitz: OVER 9000? OHH THE MADNESS!!!!

N3v3r.kNows.b3st.

@kumuasata:

For the LOW LOW price of $20,000. And if you buy it now, you'll not only get the graphic card, we'll throw in . . . .

xMindPrintsx

I'm still waiting for the DOOM 3 of this generation.

flashadams

... and 2 months after it's released they'll announce one which will blow this one out of the water. ¬¬
I'm all for progress, but I really think we should stop looking for it in the graphics/visuals department so much.

Hassun

@Dao2SKP:
hmm .. do some research plz

sony, when creating the ps3 thought about making it garphic card-less, because of their incredible cpu .. but it was too hard to develop with so they found some average gpu to put inside it

waza

"I can handle a card that can outperform the Ps3, 360, and Gamecube combined"

Hmm... something seems off here.

Fox

As they say, it is called a teraFLOPS. Ridiculous, this card will not be consumer ready till the minimum wage is 10 dollars.

PsycheE

With pricing around 199 for the slower one and 299 with the faster card, It'll hopefully bring down prices for the 200s.

thewierd0

anybody read the news on the PSP at IGN? iTunes for PSP (:P), Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo 2, and Vagrant Story all planed for the PSN store.

[psp.ign.com]

Grimmjow Jeagerjaques

the problem is ... the PC hardware has such a large range of systems that no game development can make full use of this chip

the only way to it to reach it's max potential would be in the next generation of consoles

waza

too bad it would be a long ass time until graphics look that great. anybody see that video yet?

Akmed

For $1,000,000,000 you too can Own this. It has a Power OVER 9000! Kamehameha!

Flitz

He forgot to mention the price-tag; every game console ever released.

Itchy (PSN: Kaizoku-ou)

Most powerful chip ever, but still with shitty driver support.

balls187 upside yo head

and the price?

djricekcn

Murphy's Law tells me AMD is making a fairly obvious statement. You might as well consider anything that came out in the 1900's as insignificant when adding them up together...

btw, does this chip play Crisis on High?

muu

available in five to ten years.

StealthMaster86

WOW

Grimmjow Jeagerjaques

considering how weak consoles really are hardware wise that's not a particularly awesome achievement there and I definitely believe em :| The "monster" ps3 graphics card is 2 generations behind pc graphics cards :|

Dao2SKP

I would sell my wife for one

goincommando

"The RV770, demoed Monday, is capable of processing one trillion floating operations per second on a single chip, a feat that AMD says "punches a sizeable hole in the sensory barrier."

yes, but will it blend???

N3v3r.kNows.b3st.

More powerful than every video game console, combined?

Holy crap! I mean, I can handle a card that can outperform the Ps3, 360, and Gamecube combined. That's understandable, perfectly plausible even.

But it's more powerful than those combined, and adds in the ATARI 2600, 3200, the NES, the SNES, and the Sega Genesis, and it just blow my mind.

Arsenicberyllium

lol, amd

Skyburnbright

Only available for $20,000.

kumuasata

@TheNocturnalSun:
AMD bought ATI

PeteeWJ

People commenting on this article seem to have a sticky 0 key with all the people mis-pricing it at over $200.

Mustakrakish

Hmm, maybe in 20 years lol. AMD is such BS, they act as if this is going to come out this week. When in all reality its coming out in like 10 years. AMD is the flopping Processor company, thats all they ever were. Go INTEL!

dkgshiz300

so.... is the next gen xbox gonna be called xbox770? 770 doesnt quite roll off the tounge eh?

karmakid

Damn, talk about Hatorade. So you own a console, move on, or take note of what will be in your next Xbox. Seriously,
four positive comments about the RV770?!!
Come on folks this is the next Radeon 9700 series,
or for those of you who drink the Nvidia punch, this is the next 8800 series of GPUs.
Its not expensive and IF the numbers pan out is going to keep many PCs quite happy.

More important, PCs need AMD to win this battle of console cards. There has to be another GPU builder to compete with Nvidia or we are going to get more gtx 280s (75% complete, no DDR5, no DX 10.1)and less Radeo 9700s and Geforce 8800s (revolutionary performance compared to the previous generation).

tasty%20crabcakes.">coffeeguy

Wooo, technology!

Mister Adequate

and yet no game will take full advantage of it for the next 10 years. Brilliant.

devilhunterx

@deathtastic:

1-7: yes
8: no

@dozerking:

Umm i'm a pc gamer myself, I was just mocking kotaku a bit ;)

kumuasata

thats not really saying alot since graphics evolve almost exponentially, the amalgamation of previous generations shouldnt compare to the next-gen

TheNocturnalSun

@Vidunder:

And cries at third party support!

@dozerking:

/agree

EnigmaNemesis

@Flyingdebris: Your wasting your breath.A million and one console lovers are out there that will swear blind the sky is green and the grass is blue.
We all know that consoles have been blessed with alien technology that is far in advance of mans puny work.Bill gates travels on star ships on a regular basis to bring back this tech so mankind will benefit from the power of consoles.
Oh yes, i know the truth!

Disclaimer..UFO does not assume legal or other liability for any inaccuracy, mistake, mis-statement or any other error of whatsoever nature contained in the above statement.

UFO

i'd rather pay more and keep using nvidia drivers, thx. Plus, whenever there is a difference between the way nvidia and ati render some effect, i tend to like nvidia's better.

kidko

@NKato: no, normal mapping is NOT "also known as bump mapping" and normal mapping has nothing to do with how shiny a particular shader/model is. The specular map governs shininess by means of a grayscape map, whereas normal mapping is advanced depth information for a given shader, and uses x,y,z color information, with the help of light direction, to give depth and detailing to models without the need of ultra high polygon objects/models.

Also, bump mapping differs from normal mapping in that it uses (or used) a simple grayscale map (x,y)to simulate depth and detail. bump mapping is an obsolete method in both the next-gen gaming industry, and obviously, pre-rendered CGI.

warxsnake

@StealthMaster86:

Or 2-3 weeks from today. Some people actually have them now.

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Bigfoot

Hey AMD, great chip. But how will you sell it?

I hope this chip is in the new generation consoles...

ultimate920

I think you're all missing the true point of this article, and that's that DOG is frickin awesome.

DuctTape

@lumpi: Ugghhh.

Yes, this is tooting-of-the-own-horn. Yes, they are just stating the obv. The only important question to ask, other than if it will blend, the question that muu, Tetelestia and deathtastic have asked...

CRYSIS FRAMES PER SECOND?

el_gordo

"In short, that means things will look prettier and more realistic, giving game creators nearly limitless depths of brown to explore with space marine armor achieving nearly unimaginable levels of detail."

limitless depths of brown. Hahahaha

stop it I'm pissing myself

DaveB

There are 60 million of this generations consoles in peoples homes, there are exactly zero RV770 chips in peoples computers.

While from a pure technical point of view its cool to see new stuff, from a gamer point of view it really doesn't matter much, since there is zero chance that this chip, just like all before, will ever be used to its full potential. The market is just too small and PC games will always be designed for a much lower level, especially after the last high-tech orgy with Crysis didn't went so well. There simply is far to little stuff that really drives the hardware to the edge and I don't intend to pay premium for a slight improvement on what a 200EUR console can do.

I guess I have simply seen to many pretty graphics demos followed by few to none games that could match their visual quality.

PS: Can they do realistic loockig long-hair in 1g gravity by now? Thats one of the things I am still waiting for.

grumbel

Go get em DOG!

Para

What PC gaming doesn't need. More FLOPS!

lumpi

I forgot to put in that I don't even believe them, although I'm sure like the Cell, it can do the promised number of calculations in theory with a perfect application made to utilize it fully. We'll see what it does to games, assuming anyone will even step up to take advantage of its supposed superiority gap.

But hey, if it's true that's pretty awesome.

fuchikoma

the hardware to software ratio in AMD(ATI) is 100 to 1

IroKuMata

@Kanik: I am extremely ridiculous at thinking one thing and typing up something else.

Kanik

All I can say is that I love all the PC gamers that are defending their cards right now. It is because of their fat wallets that Nvidia and ATI continue developing newer and more powerful graphics cards that end up effecting tons of markets. Most importantly, one of these cards is going to end up in my next console. I hope that both Microsoft and Sony wait out this generation before beggining development on their new consoles. If the PS2's CPU produced 6.2 GFlops and PS3's prdouces 218 Gflops than I want the PS4's cpu to produce 5 Tflops! hehehe, excellent.

I am not trying to be sarchastic or anything, I would love to have the money to build a new PC every 6 months to a year, but I can't afford it. I was a PC fanboy until Crysis came out, then I realised I was broke and gave up, my last build is worthless now as it can't play Bioshock at 1920x1200 and anything less looks horrible on my screen (I know console games run at far less resolutions, but they are upscaled to fill my screen and look pretty and thats honestly all that matters). My next PC will be a laptop, and the only reason it will have a decent GPU is because I need to run CAD.

Ian342

But does it have bit-processing? Hmmmm?

Kanik

and what sounds even better is that some people are reporting you can use them together with the previous generation via crossfire!

infi

I think the point is largely missed here. PC hardware outpacing consoles was inevitable if not arguably achieved at the launch of each. However much more powerful it is than game consoles, what matters to me is the games. While they're rendering every scale on each hair follicle on someone's beard, I'll be playing stuff like EchoChrome, Guitar Hero, or Patapon. I'm sure UT4 will look amazing on that card... then, it's the Unreal team, so I'm sure it'll look amazing on PS3 and 360 too. Ok then, Crysis - scratch that, it's hitting both too. These days if you have either HD console, you'll get most of the console games and any big PC games as well, and apart from disk space, you shouldn't have to upgrade for the life of the console.

For my taste, the last three generations of 3D have gone from doing the job well enough, to looking good enough to be complacent with, to looking good enough to not really have complaints about the technical execution of the graphics as much as how they were implemented in a given title.

I'm not saying progress is bad now, we're just reaching the point of diminishing returns on each incremental improvement in graphics by now. Designers have to consciously back off and not hyperdetail and filigree everything into ornate absurdity because... they can if they try - it won't just blur into a garbled texture and go unnoticed.

@CheechWizz:
I agree. For those of us burned by ATI back then the specs of their cards don't matter... Actually you might find it funny that I was helping someone upgrade their drivers when the TV ability just ceased one day on their All-in-Wonder, the installer for the drivers required a then beta version of the .NET framework version 2... to install.

...though no amount of complete uninstallation nor reinstallation ever made the TV functionality return. Then, a complete multi-stage driver install without errors was a rare blessing in this case.

fuchikoma

Cell processor for PC's confirmed!

These guys are doing it wrong, the main problem with PC's is they are still too costly. Sure its bigger and better, but people will opt for a 400 buck console instead of a 1200 buck computer.

ryivanV2

Ack. I sneezed.

Anyway, what I was trying to say was:

The PC will always be the bleeding edge in terms of technology. The games will always look, sound and play better. But you pay for that with effort and money. Anyone who tells you that being a cutting edge PC enthusiast is cheaper than being a console gamer is either delusional, incredibly rich or making a lot of concessions in terms of their graphics settings.

Consoles aren't ever going to hold a lead in terms of their tech. The PCs will always catch up and jump far, far ahead while the consoles are still in the same generation. But the upside is convenience. You slip the disc in and it plays. And that's it.

This PC vs console argument is a bit of a moot point.

Fishballs

Th

Fishballs

"No seriously guys, we aren't scared of consoles killing our industry. We swear!" - AMD

Sollus

@Leepox:

They're all new-gen console freaks what'd you expect :| They think they're consoles are all top-of-the-line when it's really years behind a PC when they first come out :(

Dao2SKP

@optimusprime: Very pretty minesweeper.

juliopalio

@waza: @waza:

Ok!

It's still 2 generations behind so what wtfs your point ^^

Dao2SKP

is the price range the same as my current search for a car?

Nets_Fan

@Arsenicberyllium: Heh, you know how hard it is to detect sarcasm and all over the tubes in text form and all that...

Datheron

Reading at the posts here, it seems like most people are just console gamers, barely pc hardware enthusiasts. Lots of dumb and funny comments like wowzors this is gonna be $1,000,000 or PC gaming is still lame.

Understandably it can be very expensive, IF you dont know what youre doing. Ive seen people cash out on very expensive PC's and getting disappointed because it gets outdated. One, theres price vs performance. And two, there is a thing called timing your purchase which relies heavily on how well you know the PC market. Mainly its about getting the core build - CPU, Memory, and Motherboard. If you do it well, you can make these 3 things last for 3-5 years. What you do need to constantly update is the GPU like every year if you feel like you want the most awesome graphics (Which i think is great rather than waiting for the next generation of consoles)

1 Teraflop is nothing to be silent of, it is to be wowzored.

Im still loling at people saying "this is coming out in 100 years"... obviously very naive about PC hardware, what if i said its coming out next week?

Leepox

And I see it will take even more years between coding games for the hardware!

SigmundTheSeaMonster

AMD used to be amazing back when their cpus were worth it, now their ATI lineup is horrible. First of all those videos are OBVIOUSLY pre-rendered, yeah that is a feat, but in itself, it proves nothing. Next is price? Like the first comment says available for 20,000. nVidia has been hard at work making amazing cards that are also affordable. I have to see some real time footage and a price tag to see if i would have to sell my nuts or not (which would never happen)

phosphor112

Just imagine my last post with s'es at the ends of the words "number[s]"... How I managed the same typo twice is beyond me.

T1nd0g

I'll thank you to keep your fist away from my sensory barrier, AMD.

Intellectualdiot

This is all nice and all, but I really do Hope that AMD/ATI move it along now and hurry up with their physical product launch so we can get some actual number tipped up.

I really need to see them compete this time around, I'm getting a little tired of watching their long term architecture plans bear little real world performance number on the gaming side.

T1nd0g

AMD = Ondore, and ITT we believe Ondore's lies

Combichristoffersen

Or as Peter Griffin would call it, "S.S. More Powerful Than Superman, Batman, Spiderman, and the Incredible Hulk Put Together."

Sentientv2

Yeah, well I've got this new Radeon 9550!

Shader level 2.0 guys. It's the future.

Mink_Car

By the time graphics like in the video appear in REAL PC games it will be at least 3 years from now, this AMD chip will be a dinosaur, and we will be seeing the next 'big thing'.

Nothing new here, same old PC timeline.

Vanguarde

@Michael McWhertor: Really? The actual video doesn't look that brown on my computer(in comparison to the screenshot), but it could be my settings...

braagh

How does it stack up to the 9800 gx2?

Strangelove

Well, until they put it in an affordable console or PC, tell then to shut the hell up about it.

Enigma_20XX

i wonder if a version of it will go in the next 360 since AMD makes he current 360 gpu

ivan225

@Leepox:

(Which i think is great rather than waiting for the next generation of consoles)

Except that when a new generation of consoles comes out, the leap in quality is greater. All you're getting by upgrading each year is a difference that looks minimal as you look back. The problem with those GPU release schedules is that no card is used to its potential, unlike consoles. A shame really.

@Fishballs:

Thank you. The difference was far more profound in the 90's, and each held its own with distinctive genre offerings. It holds true to an extent these days, but the fact that PC versions still offer the best performance hasn't changed.

SG79

I don't care! Just make me some fun games to play.

Hardware doesn't mean shit to me... Software is ALL that matters.

thezman

@superberg:
"But you can't half-ass bleeding edge, can you?"

Whoever said we wanted bleeding edge? Seriously, ignore the people who whine about how they can't run Cryis on 1920x1200 and Very High settings and pay attention to those (like me) who discovered and genuinely enjoyed a well designed game. On a 7900GT. And 2 cheap gigs of RAM. On a budget 4500 dual core processor. On 1024x768. On mostly Medium.

All of those components cost more than a PS3, I admit. For a platform that has the games that *I* enjoy, I'll gladly pay.

That's right, guys. Buying what has the games you want to play. Who would've thought?

Rohit_N

@superberg: This pc already beats the 360 and ps3, not because CPU, but GPU power, and guess what it costs less than $600 ([techreport.com]), and by the way this upcomming ati card may cost aroud $350, but you wont need tu upgrade at least for 2 years or more...

TOCATL

@superberg:

You'd be suprised ... for $700 you could put together a rig that runs Crysis with graphics that easily rival anything on PS3. The 8800 gt is an amazing card for under $200 that runs Crysis very well with graphcis that easily rival anything on PS3.

Strangelove

And yet in all likelihood it's going to be less powerful than nvdia's latest offering.

dsmx

Alternate title:
"AMD Graphics Chip More Expensive Than Every Game Console Combined, Says AMD"

I know PC gamers are all "You don't need $6,000 to get a good rig!" And you're right.

But a $700 rig won't outperform a PS3. One day, this magical GPU will be available for under $200, it's true. But high-end graphics cards often debut at over $500, and that doesn't include the cost of the rest of the 16x PCI Express 2.0 Motherboard and 3.2 GHz Dual-Quad Core CPU with 16 GB of DDR3 RAM you'll want to match it.

Is all that necessary to enjoy gaming? Probably not. But you can't half-ass bleeding edge, can you?

superberg

Supposedly it will be $300 bucks.
[latimesblogs.latimes.com]

Floreum

I want to replace my brain with this chip and flash memory. Not only will I be amazingly smart and fast thinking, but when my body dies I can transfer it to another body making me IMMORTAL!!!!!

BlackPawn

Now only if AMD would support OpenGL, it'd be awesome. Till then, I stick with nVidia for my research.
With OpenGL, even right now on nVidia cards you can use all DX10 features - as long as you have a GF8x00 or later card. All this - on WinXP, Win2k, Linux, MacOSX.
AMD killed OpenGL T_T.

Btw, the RV770 doesn't look nice for brute bandwidth. I mean, 256-bit bus.. isn't that a bit skimpy? But if this brings the price a lot, then it won't be a problem.

somarix

I'm sure all the extra FLOPS will help the PC game development community to stop complaining about the piracy that's supposedly killing their profitability.

cowondinosaur

@Strangelove:

Oops, got a little redundant there. With all the redundancy. Redundant.

Strangelove

So... if AMD's card just debuted is the budget choice, and NVidia's is the beast - does that mean it's even more powerful? Or... I lost the thread.

sir_carrot

oh, so this is what their engineers have been doing as opposed to doing something about their broken phenom flagship.

bulletwitch

@flashadams: I'm pretty sure cards that can render this well actually negate the need for a game that buries everything in darkness so that you don't notice that their "super detailed" models are actually normal maps wrapped around low poly stuff.

thelivingrobot

the screen shot makes me want to barf =@ I think its the piss color tone of it X_X god I hate that! why do games always use that to look more realistic?? I may never understand... I will just stick with my cute colorful games n_n

hrabbit

@bulletwitch: AMD bought ATI, the ATI team has been working on this not the Proc team at AMD.

I mean come on people at least know who is making the graphics card that will be in your future console.

This is pretty much the new 8800gt in terms of Price/Performance, well at least the 4850, the cheaper variant is.

It is a GPU that IS COMING OUT IN THE NEXT FEW WEEKS. Not something they have on the drawing board. In terms of graphics capabilities computers already had more powerful GPUs the day that the 360 came out. It basically has an optimized variant of the x1800xt. Please don't just blurt out the first thing that come into your head when you hear about PC hardware. It really makes you look ignorant.

@hegemonyhog: The new Nvidia graphics cards are supposed to come out first, then these like the following week. So if that comment was directed at Nvidia, you are correct. It is looking like the GTX280 and 4870 will be neck and neck, but AMD is looking to release the 4870 at a more affordable price point, thus making it a better choice.

@Chewbenator: Sorry bout my initial nerdragelol, but seriously guys.

@Michael McWhertor: I actually thought the picture was something from Half Life or MGS when I first saw it.

Chewbenator

Something better will just be out the week after.

I'll wait.

hegemonyhog

@braagh: Yeah, really. I grabbed that shot from AMD's Flickr gallery.

[www.flickr.com]

Michael McWhertor

HEY CONSOLTARDS! The card is going to retail from between 300 and 400. The $200 variant is already better than any single card out there right now. So please shut your gaping holes before you blurt out stupidity.

Chewbenator

too many comments to read. you know, kids. If anyone hasn't said it already, this extremely short "real time" clip probably took a year to render. LOL!!! GTA V, first $1 BILLION, 7 years in development, coming april 29 2016 from EA. Get your LIMITED EDITION for $169.99. LOL again..

MetiQluzZ

Except AMD = ATI = Shit.

Artdeux

Graphic demos are fun to watch and thats it, once they turn into real games with AI and all the other crap the graphices downgrade.

YourAnthony

Wow...do I detect a hint of cynicism? Isn't this how technology is supposed to move forward? Admittedly, I don't know anything about the company or their product but it sounds at least...interesting.

Goodthymes

"In short, that means things will look prettier and more realistic, giving game creators nearly limitless depths of brown to explore, with space marine armor achieving nearly unimaginable levels of detail."

And further increasing the time and money needed to make a game. :P

Replica23

a bit of hyperbole here. Powerful, sure, but because games aren't going to be built specifically for these most powerful cards they're not going to look all THAT much more impressive.

WolvenOne

Let me guess, shit load of monies?

Shaverdian

@grumbel:

I'm sorry, but that's crap. My 3870 already has to be toned down a bit in some games. And NO CARD EVER PRODUCED can run Crysis smoothly at the highest settings. A PS3 would choke and die at high settings in that game. And it did very well in sales, thank you very much.

Looking forward, Farcry 2 will be coming out in a while, and holy SHIT if you haven't seen the tech trailers you should check them out. But even before that, there'll be tons of games that have the ability to push pixels around. Even Sins of a Solar Empire, an RTS, benefits from more graphics horsepower. And I mean noticeably, not just in a "This water looks more wet" kind of way.

And for all the console lovers out there, two things. One, console love and PC love don't have to be mutually exclusive. Consoles will always be better for multiplayer, co-op, and party games, PC's (IMO) better for RTS, FPS, and online play. Second, your PS3 or 360 can't do close what a computer under 6 months old can do. I mean really, it's not even in the same ballpark.

Lastly, as many before me have pointed out, this is a) a mid-level card series, and b) coming out in the next 8 weeks. The 4800s have been rumoured, pictured, and specced out for months now, I don't know why there's this opinion at Kotaku that it's not coming out for "like, a million years man!". It'll be on store shelves by mid August.

Lazz

Wow these comments make me sad. Makes me realize most people have no clue about computers and also makes me think the average age of Kotaku readers is around 14.

By the way can't wait for these cards need something to replace my 8800gtx.

FtGF

Sweet, does this mean it will be in the PS5?

LeLoi

@Lazz:
it's because kotaku is still filled with mostly console gamers who believe 2-year-old hype that their respective console of choice (except the wii) will be more powerful than any computer available. i guess they assume all new PC components made will continue to be inferior to their 2 year old system, and won't be more powerful until the next gen of consoles come out 5 years later.

consoles are not, and never will be, more powerful than PCs. they're just cheaper, that's all.

willyolio

Well, people can quit complaining because it might just be in your next favourite console by either Nintendo, Sony or Microsoft. That and Kotaku will look better. Sans Seriff in 1080p with bump mapping, pixel shading and 4x AA at 60 fps. I know I can't live without it.

The PC gets ahead of consoles quickly but at large price differences.

Don't disrespect PC gaming, despite the Atari, NES, Master System, it's the grand daddy of your gaming machines and may continue to be. Though with Wii having older ATI technology, the 360 ATI and PS3 Nvidia. Yes the PC graphics card market is quite safe and also the development lab for your next generation console and the aforementioned poo pixel and vertex shading in all it's squalid detail that most likely will be on our next generation consoles. That and shiny people like Ken and Barbie with chainsaws and BFG9000's in a remake of Mr and Mrs Smith. And people arguing over how their slab of plastic and circuits can render more realistic.....Oh, the humanity. I can't get over the fact that despite all the advances most of the characters look like dollies. I like the shininess on Gran Turismo though.

Come on, you're not blogging on a console....are you????

scotty999

@phosphor112:

"nVidia has been hard at work making amazing cards that are also affordable."

Riiiight.. Nvidia GTX280 MSRP: $649.99

ATi HD4870 MSRP: $449.99

Without the raw numbers, we're not going to be able to say for sure, but I'd bet anyone here one of these cards that even if the Nvidia card outperforms the ATi card in this launch, there isn't gonna be close to $200 worth of difference. And even that is stretching the faith, since the 9800GX2, a previous generation dual-GPU card, outperforms the 280 for $150 less already. Nvidia fucked this one up.

Lazz

@LeLoi: Something like it in the ps4 maybe...

TurtleSoup

I remember when my mom said to me that trillion wasn't a number. Guess she is in the wrong.

Mibu1

holy shit the next consoles will blow my mind

Raikkenon

'Limitless depths of brown' = teh awesome.

I am also amused by the fact that despite how incredible this card claims to be, with one (strictly limited) teraflop of processing power... they still need TWO of the buggers to make a demo video.

'Our card is so fantastic you need two of them to do something impressive!' Er, not a great marketing message.

quen

I WANT I WANT I WANT I WANT.

Hubert Humphrey Methadone

I want to know whats going to happen when processors better than this are $200 dollars and the newest 100,000 dollar ones that compete are like basing their sales off of hard technical specs, when in reality they all look like real life...

(yeah afterthought... holograms are going to come out and everything will have to start over again... :p)

rebelj12a

Holy crap, every console COMBINED? Even if i tape them together? Thats impressive!

Zenshai

"nearly limitless depths of brown to explore"

Hah! You said it.

Millions (Billions?) of colors that nobody uses. I swear the graphics were more vibrant on my Super Nintendo than nowadays.

griffinrider

Yeah the processors all powerfull and stuff, but I can see that pretty image just fine on my PC and it doesn't even have a graphics card!

This sort of advert is as stupid as the adverts for low def TV trying to advertise hi def TV, or back when they used to advertise DVD's on VHS.

Besides which, they seem to have forgotten that PC's work to the lowest common denominator, it's like putting an F1 engine in a 2CV or Racing Slicks on a Tractor or a spoiler on a Nova (you know who you are!).

ThursdayNext

Just want to clear up some confusion.

The RV770 is the latest generation graphics architecture from AMD.

It will come in several models, the ones known are the HD 4850, HD 4870 and the HD 4870x2 (x2 meaning there will be two gpus on a single PCB).

The 4850 is projected be cost around $200-260 depending on the manufacture (so powercolor, sapphire, etc).

4870 may cost in the 300-400 dollar range and the 4870X2 in the 500-600.

And a teraflop of pure GPU compute power is nothing to scoff at. That can be extremely useful in GPGPU applications such as medical imagery. CUDA is an example of GPGPU related programming built on C, by nVidia.

You should expect the NDA to be lifted VERY soon so expect a flood of benchmarks to come out after.

[www.xtremesystems.org]

^^^^^ A sneak peak at the performance of the 4850.

[www.xtremesystems.org]

^^^^^^^ another in crossfire and single modes, same card.

And on a side note, the GeForce 280 GTX is not worth the money right now. The GeForce 9800 GX2 is on par with the 280 in terms of performance for much less.

Just look them up at newegg.com

RtFusion

Obviously they aren't adding in the processing power of the Phantom, The "dual cooling gigs" of the DS (anyone get the reference?), the Jaguar, or the greatest console ever made:
the Virtual Boy!

Human Bomb

"more powerful than every generation of video game console ever brought to market combined."

YES! We get RROD, Waggle and Giant Enemy Crabs for $599.

No single console could do that!

griffinrider

@ThursdayNext: I could burn this to a disc and play it on my dvd player too and it also doesnt have a graphics card.
This is running in real time, not as a movie, you understand?
Your right about the lowest common denominator, or to put it another way..the pc is only as good as its weakest link.Your pcs weakest link as you say seems to be that it has no graphics card. It would benefit immensely from this gpu wouldnt it?
So with this graphics card in your pc you could possibly run that demo in real time instead of just as a movie clip and your pc`s power would be greatly increased for gaming.
Are you saying this is a good thing, a bad thing or are you just trying to confuse us all here ?
How about putting an F1 engine in an F1 car with slicks and a spoiler aswell.

UFO

@ThursdayNext:

You mean I won't get the same results on my 800Mhz PIII Rig?

griffinrider

I've had great luck with ati cards myself so this is intriguing.. it may help to not always want the brand newest games though..

when the next, next gen card after this comes out and the price on this drops, this is a sure buy... drivers will have gelled by then and you won't feel like a guinea pig...

NEW often means YOU ARE A BETA TESTER anymore.. wait and watch..

railskins

"In short, that means things will look prettier and more realistic, giving game creators nearly limitless depths of brown to explore with space marine armor achieving nearly
unimaginable levels of detail."

Without question, the single best string of words ever recorded on Kotaku.

Trym

@Lazz:

To be fair you'd have to subtract $60 for the game, since you don't get any with the graphics card. Then there's the less expensive PS3 option at $399.99.

Either way its like getting the Blu-Ray player for $50 more or less than the Radeon card.

Alternatively, you could go with a 360 Pro at $349.99. That would be about $100 cheaper than this card.

griffinrider

Apparently Nvidia are pretty worried about the 4000 series launch.. they just announce the GeForce 9800GTX+, a 55nm refresh of the GTX. This is the card that will compete directly with the 4850/70.

Info: PC Perspective

Also, a bit of math:

PS3 (80 Gig) Metal Gear Solid 4 Bundle = $554.98 (gamestop)

Radeon 4870 = $449.00 (Est. MSRP)

So if you've got a PC already with a free PCI-X slot, then a top of the line graphics card that is far more powerful than any console is actually less money than a new console. So how 'bout that.

Lazz

Quite the claim.

I bet it can't run Crysis at 100% and look good doing it. Until then color me unimpressed.

crashlanding

"The "monster" ps3 graphics card is 2 generations behind pc graphics cards"

Wow.. really? I have never seen a PC game that runs as smooth or looks as good as GTA4, MGS4, Ratchet & Clank, etc.

For 2 generations behind there should be at least one game of these 2 PC generations that could compare with the "weak" graphics of the PS3 or 360.

thund3rstruck

More powerful? I'm sure. Will it ever be developed for to get every last bit of that power to do its job? I highly doubt that.

TreyTable

All I see here is a million biased comments from PC fanboys and console fanboys. There's a lot of console fanboys who don't know enough about PC gaming and then say stupid things like this card will be $20,000 and then we have the most biased of them all, the PC fanboys who have absolutely no idea what a console can do in this current generation. First of all stop being a pathetic fanboy and enjoy games on whatever you can, don't prefer a console or PC or whatever just for the stupid sake of popularity or trends! if you can play both play both! Don't be like I can't play console games because I'm a PC gamer otherwise it's a sin! bullshit! don't label yourself as PC or console gamer just enjoy games on whatever they come out if you can, what matters is the games and not the system they come out on! Another bullshit is the stuff the PC fanboys say like "consoles do far lower resolutions than PC"...ummm not anymore, all current consoles can do 1080p which if I'm not mistaken is 1920X200. Sure PCs with 30 inch monitors and a graphics card that can handle it can do 2560X1600 which is going to make everything more defined but not quite the graphics better. Also PCs are running OS and a million services and other things on the background at the same time while consoles are not or modern consoles are running very few things, why do you think on the last gen some Xbox and PS2 games that got PC ports looked exactly the same on the PC but it had twice or 3 times the system requirements? what I'm trying to say is that PCs are not "FAR" away from consoles yet, just slightly. Then of course there's the console fanboy bias with the price ranges of things, sure PC gaming is much more expensive for something of almost comparable power but it's not as bad as you put it like. PC gamers justify the price ranges with "a PC can do everything"...right, but we're talking about games here and we don't care about all the other stuff when you just want to play games or just watch movies (or both)...then you have a PC for everything else if you don't like playing games on it. I'm just tired of all this bias people post on the internet just because they don't inform themselves enough but still go and post all this stuff without thinking, and sorry this is so long but I'm just pissed...

Moonfrost

@Moonfrost:
hmmmmmm I think you yourself are a little misinformed. Sure consoles can do 1080p on simple games but almost all games are 720p. Most new console games that are demanding seem to be running below 720p. My favorite example is Call of Duty 4. On consoles it is not running at the highest settings compared to PC especially noticeable in the shadows in the first mission on the ship and the texture resolutions. Then it is running at 620p so it can hit 60fps. Now on the new HD 4850 which is a mere $200(will drop even more in the next few months) can run it at max settings with 4xAA and 16xAF at 1920x1200 at around 60fps then I say PC hardware is quite a bit more advanced then consoles. Hell my 8800gts 640mb was blowing my PS3 and 360 out of the water back in 2006.

Again Moonfrost no need to get upset. I own all the consoles and a good PC. They are all great for their own reasons but PC hardware is way more powerful then consoles. If that power gets utilized by developers is another thing. Whatever platform you choose doesn't matter but don't get angry at PC gamers with high-end rigs that tell you there games look and run better because they usually do!

FtGF

@FtGF:

Well put.

Lazz

I hope GTA V looks like that, holy effing crap.

SubKamran

I'll wait for the benchmarks. It'd be nice if ATI could catch up with NVidia, but the whole AMD/ATI combo just hasn't been as powerful as the NVidia/Intel duo.

psychobaka