@wild homes 5: no disassemble!:
I'm with you on the mood and feel of COD3 -- the story just wasn't as good as COD2. Fairly or not, Treyarch have quite a perception problem to overcome.

I'll wait for a demo, or used copy from Gamestop (that I can return), to try this out.

Geraldo

i didnt think i'd wanna go back to WWII but this trailer intrigues me... but i wish the colors were more vibrant... and more tropical... meaning green... and blue skies... not like the first hour of Saving Private Ryan more along the lines of Pearl Harbor...

patsfan07

I too liked CoD3, it still graces the shelves of my PS3 collection... and I think this one looks like a little bit of awesome

it's not really a bad idea to switch out production duties on a series like this, it stops things from getting stale

and to all those out there who are bashing it because it's not IW and modern, stop and think for a second if you'd be bashing it any less if it was modern, and didn't really advance from CoD4... everyone would just be saying "meh" and "seen it already"

kathartik

Don't anyone forget who's developing this game. Treyarch has done nothing but defile the good name of this series ever since Big Red One. Do not be deceived!!!

Zanch

Hey people its the Pacific theater. No D-day no Market Garden. This game maybe WWII but its a side of the war we haven't seen nearly as much.

Rurik

I still want to have cautious optimism for this game, but I spy a problem.

WW2 = Jungle-y area = two most recent overdone things in FPS, seriously. Would it have killed them to stick with modern combat? The way the world is today, it really wouldn't have been that difficult to come up with another compelling story.

Revenge_of_Nekojin

I LIKED CALL OF DUTY 3!

It wasn't as good as IW's Call of Duties, but it was still good.

ShirtGuyDom

For one thing, I either give them credit, or I think that they are foolish for entering, yet another WWII shooter into the mix. For their sakes, I hope that this iteration brings some serious innovation to the already crowded genre.

And oh, yeah: Meh.

ibelli

Benefit of the doubt, Luke? It usually seems you're the first to bash something XD
I personally think that most of the hatred for this game is unwarranted, as it's at least changing it up a bit by being focused more in the Pacific than other games, and, you know, you don't want to play out the "modern warfare" theme either.

On the other hand, such unbridled hatred has a chance to reduce/destroy the WWII market in FPSes, which is something I would not only applaud, but start going back to church for.

Zerbrechen

zzzzzz, wake me up when CoD gets good.

wicko

Why are we still calling this Call of Duty 5? According to the trailer, the official title is Call of Duty: World at War. Is this not an attempt to cash in on the success and circumvent numbering and let Infinity Ward develop the true heir to Call of Duty 4? I mean, that wouldn't be a bad idea.

Like some, I hope this game will be cool. I've never played a Treyarch game, so we'll see, but I'll definitely give it a chance. That being said, production-wise that was a pretty lousy trailer. It was too short even for a teaser, and really didn't do ANYTHING to sell the game.

G-rant

@tehGloom: Indeed, WW2 is the only war America was in that's recent enough to have decent weapons and vehicles, and early enough not to be riddled with political controversy.

Variety would have to come from fictional wars, future wars, alternate timelines, or a really kickass Civil War for the Wii that uses motion controls to let you saw your own gangrene limbs off.

Kyattsuai

looks good I just hope it dosn't get all preachy and try to tell me about the horrors of war. I have been in combat I don't need some programer to tell me how horrible it is. I just bought the game to have fun not get a moral lesson.

taftsearlobe33

They're putting a lot of focus on the flame thrower and the katana/sword thing like its going to be their selling point for this game.

TheExiledLeader

At least it's not a "hardcore simulator" WWI game, That be one mighty step back for mankind and an equal amount of trench foot.

AntiZERØ

i dont see whats wrong with that teaser trailer, other than the fact that everyone has already made up their mind on the game based on the fact that Infinity Ward isnt making it. who cares, it looks alright. and at least we havent seen as many ww2 pacific theatre games, its the European WW2 theatre that is overdone.

warxsnake

Flame thowers, climbing trees to snipe, machettes, Pretty Sweet.

Hand_O_Death

Ooh, finally! The big first trailer that they were talking about.
*watches*
Whew, was that underwhelming!

Erwin

Flamethrower... <3 And imagine the possibilities for multilayer in camo in a tree... yeaah~

Kaizuden

The last WWII game I played set in the pacific was for the gamecube.. I think it was the Medal of Honor series. Holy shit, that left such a bad taste in my mouth I swore off WWII shooters ever since then. It was such a bad game I fear I may have a bit of an aversion disorder to WWII shooters now.

Thugmunk

My hopes of a "War of 1812" game are dashed on the rocks again.

How can devs be so clueless?

Battle Of New Orleans + Flaming White House = UBER METACRITS!

TheJordanator

I'm all for the Pacific theatre. I think we've won the war in Europe by now.

pylon_trooper

While I wait for the video to buffer, I just want to say I really enjoyed the SP of CoD3. As long as they go from there, we'll be fine.

...yup. Looks like CoD type action. This is gonna be the best CoD rip-off with a CoD branding yet!

mike

I don't agree with all the "WWII is teh sooo last year" talk. It was the largest war in history, and the last one of its kind. And besides, that rash of WWII themed games really was soo last year.

tehGloom

Looks like another bore fest WWII shooter :(

D-Sovereignty

Oh... and isn't this technically not called Call of Duty 5?

suya123

Was hoping for something a little longer... but it looks... okay.

Handbanana37

Looks nice, indeed, especially that "plane crashing into the wires" moment. I never really understood all the fuss about CoD3, so I'm not dreading this one.

And yeah, WW2 is overused. But if the game plays alright, who gives a shit?

freakout

It doesn't really overwhelm me. It actually looks kind of dull. I don't doubt mechanically it will be OK, because Treyarch are pretty capable when it comes to writing code, but they're weak when it comes to mood and feeling. Call of Duty 3 featured fine multiplayer-- a welcome step up from 2, even-- but the single player game was monotonous and bland. Actually, so was Big Red One, which was also a Treyarch product. So I've got little hope for this game as much more than an able, if uninspired, multiplayer shooter. And with Battlefield: Bad Company in the arena-- not to mention Battlefield Heroes-- I just don't see this one getting any playtime in my house.

wild homes 5: no disassemble!

Sigh.......

Trailnutz

a sword! shing shang!

LandMineLandSnake

Not much of any substance there, just a teaser.

What kind of guns did they have in ww2, bolt-action rifles? Are we to run around killin' Japanese people with our grampa's old Springfield? Trying to hit the broad side of barns with Tommy guns? If i can't have my g36c, I'm tempted to say no to this one, even though the online co-op is an appealing feature.

rexdart007

@Zim: Yes, in fact many people would rather just wait two years instead of getting a non-IW CoD. Yes, you are right that we can (and many of us will) just skip this game and wait, but that doesn't mean we can't offer our (negative) opinions on the internet. Posting a comment on the internet doesn't mean we're invested in hating the game or something weird. Just like it's fine for people to look forward to a game, it's also fine for people to offer their predictions that the game will suck.

Luziphir

Who knows, with the name, it might be the most amazing looking MMO ever made.

thekoopatrooper

I'm excited.

WWII was done to death, WAS done to death. Now modern combat is being milked.
For all we know, this could be a breath of fresh air.

But, it is trendy to hate things on face value, so....

laughingmangits

Looks awesome. As long as they're smart and keep the absolutely fantastic multiplayer foundation COD4 had, it should be good. COD3 wasn't bad, it just did nothing different from 2. But 4's leveling system in WW2? Awesome. "4 more kills till I can put a bigger clip size on my MP40."

InsidiousTuna

No more WWII. That is probably the most overused event in the world's history.

suya123

Hard to tell from a trailer like this if the game is actually going to be good, but with treyarch's record im not gettin my hopes up. sorry.

BryanGuitarDude

I agree, its very smooth but...WWII..yurk!
I will try the demo! if they make one. Maybe a rental first.

SsLordMagus

MEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

spite_nihilo

I actually don't understand all the hate for Treyarch. The fact is IW couldn't develop the games fast enough to release them at the same rate alone. It gives IW more time on their games. Meanwhile Treyarch can simply copy the last IW game and try and add a few improvements. Sure it may not be as big of a leap forward as when IW make the games but surely it is better than getting nothing?

Would you rather wait 2 years for IW next CoD game or have a new CoD game with some improvements in the mean time?

If you want to wait the 2 years then hey just ignore the Treyarch game.

It's not as if the CoD games are part of a story and Treyarch making a game means you won't get to see IW do that part of the story.

Zim

Yay CoD! Won't be as badass as CoD 2, or 4, but it looks pretty good still.

Looking forward to it, the Call of Duty series are definitely some of my favourite games.

LastFace

I'm cautiously optimistic. It looks interesting and more dark than the other WWII Call of Duties. But on the other hand it is being developed by Treyarch. Maybe they will surprise me.

Treecubed

This just feels like a step backwards...

brainfubar

Nope. This looks to almost surely be a huge step back for Call of Duty.

Shoemaster

I want online gameplay, but I probably still won't be sold even then. I'll still be playing 4 until 6 comes out.

kingofrain

Well it looks like you can climb trees.

Master_Achilles

Flamethrower. :D

Fadakar

Sorry, but no. They blew that chance when they announced the game would be going back to WWII.

Luziphir

No Call of Duty has ever been on my watch list, this is no change. But, who know what tomorrow will bring?

AntiZERØ

nope...gonna be garbage. this games looks and sounds exactly like battlefield 1942. Maybe its just me. but bf1942 is still good. hey what do i know right.

Jnkzm4

So, the world exclusive trailer is 10 seconds of jump cuts? Doesn't really do much to sell the game.

Actaeus

WWII is more interesting than modern day.

archibaldleech

Looks awesome!

Sainted

Call of Duty 6 will most likely be the next Modern Combat.

As for this game, more of the same that I don't really care about. Though I do wonder if they will bother to remember that more then just Americans fought in the Second World War.

Just once, a Canadian unit, Australian ground troops, French Freedom fighters, Swedish guerrillas, something more to show heroes beyond [insert Band of Brother here].
I'm just ranting though, I know it will never happen.

Kenofthedead

I have only had fun with two WW2 shooting like games and one of them was for the GBA, so yea...

More importantly though, ugh please give us trailers with actual gameplay devs. Hate this whole "look at our grapichs of cool stuff that you probably won't see in the game anyway" approach to video game trailers.

Toasterface[zd]

I think if you take all the games based on WWII and add up the average time to beat them, it will be longer than the actual war.

That said it's about time we had a game based on Grenada. For those 6 hours some heavy shit was goin down there.

karnsatron

I was totally against this game when i heard that it was set in WWII but it's starting to grow on me. One of the things I really wanted in COD4 was co-op.

On a similar topic, I had heard that one of the reasons COD3 sucked was that Treyarch only had one year to work on it. Do you guys know if this is true?

DeathBeforeDishonor

@NoBullet: I don't see why you don't like this awesome COD5 game. What's wrong with this COD5 game you don't like? Is it the COD5 name? How about we meet int the middle and call it COD5: Call five of V Duty 5 - the fifth act? Sounds good?

...and also COD5

:D... honest, I'm only a dick on Fridays *hugs* Forgive me, I've just having fun with you. This is exactly like Banjo 3 which isn't really Banjo 3 yet people are either calling it a sequel or Banjo 3 and not "Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts". Alas, this is the internet and there's no room for facts here :( ... now I'm depressed *sigh*

okenny :)

@spite_nihilo:

Exactly.

Jext

@NoBullet: Where did they admit that? I would like to read that article if there is one.

dashyt2dafulliz

We need a new historical event to fixate our games on. Or at least an interesting perspective, like fighting on the other side.

Something.

I'll pass.

liqideos

This isnt CoD 5! its CoD:World at War. Even Activision admitted that they dont want to ruin the true CoD4 follow up when IW makes CoD5.

NoBullet

Man, another WW2 game, the industry really needs a new shtick. Too many WW2 and modern shooters these days.

Hell, even Tom Clancy decided it was time to branch out, with Hawks (fighter planes) and Endwar (RTS).

/When the guy with over 30 shooters released in the past decade (that's an average 3 shooters per year, or a shooter every 4 months) decides that his next 2 games aren't going to be shooters. You know that the genre has been fully milked.

/Playing the hell out of halo 3 + call of duty 4, between those two I really don't have any time for other shooters.

/how about a game where you're a member of a swat team. No Nazi Germans, no Communist Russians, no terrorists. Just bank robbers and kidnappers.

lordargent

@notoriousEIC: beatcha to it!

mike

@Witzbold: No Nazi... everyone loves to kill Nazis. Since this is based in the pacific theater and has a larger potential of being inflammatory, I hope they approach it carefully. Moving away from Normandy may be harder then it seems so I kinda applaud and fear for them at the same time.

okenny :)

Finally, the Pacific Theater again.

If there's gonna be another WWII game.. whatever variety you can put in is beneficial.

Whether it's a good game or not.. THAT'S another story. :)

1080Peter

@Zim:
My sentiments exactly. I enjoyed CoD3 and don't understand all the hate for Treyarch. People have to look at it this way: If they want a new CoD game every year, they'll have to deal with two different development teams. If they just want IW-developed games, they'll just have to wait every two years or so.

I'm also excited to see the Pacific theater getting some attention. As someone else has said, I think V-E day has come and gone enough times already. The fight in the Pacific was just as brutal, just as epic, and arguably more important to America's interests.

notoriousEIC

Wow, that was short. I'm note even remotely impressed. They have a lot of work to do to even begin to compare with COD4.

PeteeWJ

@kathartik: I agree with you. To add to that, switching out development houses keeps the brand pumping out games and gives the original creator (read:infinity ward) more time to work on a better product. Sure CoD 3 wasn't the mega-orgasm that CoD4 was, BUT it allowed inifinty ward more time to make 4 that much better.

As long as we agree that treyarch isn't inifinty ward, then we can get on with our lives. I for one would rather have a rotation of good, and then great CoD games every year than 1 great game once-in-a-blue-moon.

mike

flamethrower. I'm sold.

Hoboman725

Personally the reason why I dont want another WWII game is Im sick of the weapons from that era.

At least this one looks like they finally will be a WWII game without fucking normandy in it. ;D

Witzbold

no im not willing to give this game a chance.

1. Its WWII
2. It being made by Treyarch

2 no no's at this point so i'll keep playing COD4 and other shooters until IW gets back

nip

Let's be fair. Treyarch wasn't developing CoD3 under great conditions; CoD 3 wasn't that bad even.

Hopefully the studio will be ready this time to deliver on a numbered CoD sequel.

Snake726

@Vanguarde: Call of Red Alert?

Mattz

@Pink Tiger Jet: Call of Resistance?

The Magnificen7

Are you guys on the crack pipe? I think the trailer looks stunning. If the gameplay is great I don't care what the setting is. A WWII game with the CoD5 engine on a next gen console? I'm totally down with that.

If I had my druthers it'd be WWII meets Sci-Fi but that's just me.

Pink Tiger Jet

I'll ignore this milk attempt until they announce a cover feature for it.

garytek

Ok enough!

Not WW2 again!

Let me offer a solution.

How about World War 2 era vs. Modern Era?

You know, like some kind of time travel.

Now you can have the best of both worlds!

Here, let me even give you a basic storyline.

As WW2 rages, strange things begin to happen. Every side has seen these things. The United States, Japan, United Kingdom, Germany..
Even though the war is a very bitter one, these strange events have genertated the need to ultra high level talks between all parties at war.

As the countries pool their knowledge in a surprising show of trust at the highest levels of government, the public war rages on.

A Delta Operator on the battlefield 60 years from where this is going on sees something odd as well. He cannot explain it, but it is the first time in his life that the very essence of the world, of reality, has not made sense.

He shrugs it off to the heat and stress the damn mountains force him to tackle. Boy, I hope we find this Osama soon, perhaps I can even get a picture of him to send home. I still do not trust these locals though..

What is going on? Who is speaking the above words?

This is how the game would start off, with just hints of what is going on. The 'voice' would be very odd, talking as if World War 2 and the hunt for Usama Bin Laden in Tora Bora is taking place at the same exact time.. but that is impossible - or is it....

The setting would be as strange as when you first saw the 'end of time' in Chrono Trigger.. the feeling of 'this can't be real.. this.. this.. is getting serious..

Who is this stranger who treats time as if it was flexible... like watching a 2 hour movie - but you see and understand the entire 2 hour movie in 1 second.. you just know it's damn..

odd...

Vanguarde

Looks kind of "meh", but who knows. This short little snippit isn't too much to base a solid opinion on.

AJMarra

I honestly feel bad for Treyarch. It's like IW is the main band, and Treyarch is the cover band...except they're scheduled to play along with the real band. They may put a good, decent quality effort forth, but will never be as good as the real thing.

Darkest Daze

jeez luiz it looks booring! :D

jovus

Looks great, I'm looking forward to the dark atmosphere. I guess you have to be cautiously optimistic, but everyone who labels it a dud immediately will probably just end up missing out or buying it. Or being completely right. At this point, it looks awesome.

The Magnificen7

@billygoat117: Make that "a guy with a sniper rifle and a helmet with leaves stuck to it." Damn misplaced modifiers...

billygoat117

@Actaeus: Yeah, I thought they'd have something a little more impressive than a 20 second teaser. I see no reason as of yet to dislike the game, especially since that trailer showed next to nothing. Although I thought I saw a guy with leaves stuck to his helmet with a sniper rifle, so maybe there'll be a ghillie suit-like section.

billygoat117

can't wait. I loved COD3. Didn't have any complaints about it but everybody else seemed too.. Not real sure what all the treyarch hate is about. COD4 was over rated and the multiplayer wasn't challenging enough to keep me interested for more than a few months.

get2theDeLorean

COD4 was one of the rare shooters I love to play...this look like one of the many shooter I won't even bother playing. WWII is over. We're in WWIII now. Please make something better Acti.

Vabor

It looks like they went to a video folder and chose 'generic war game footage' then put a fancy title on it.

At least the flamethrower looks cool. I don't mind the WW setting, but after CoD4 I don't think it'll feel quite the same.

carrliadiere

The only reason I got 2 and 4 were because some friends had them, and when 3 came out I didn't have a 360.

Talleh

@mike: goddamn typos. infantryman

..i'll just go ahead and pull that foot out of my mouth now...

mike

@dashyt2dafulliz:

Covers:

COD #1: [vgchartz.com]

COD #2: [xbox360media.ign.com]

COD #3: [pspmedia.ign.com]

COD #4: [media.ign.com]

COD #5? [kotaku.com]

Now I'm sure Kotaku has it sources and it's thoroughly researched but I'm still willing to bet money that this game has no "5" in it's title and that the next "proper" COD will be sporting the big #5.

okenny :)

Man that bad company grenade ad is fucking annoying...

henhowc

@Kenofthedead: i guess you've never played CoD 3? the game was split into 3rds...and one of those you played as a canadian infantyman...

...think, before you type.

mike

I'm actually really excited to go back to WWII. I miss those games. I don't care if it is over used. It gets over used for a reason: it sure it a hell of a lot of fun reminding ourselves of America's superiority. But I better get to kill some Nazi kraut or then I WILL be let down. USA! USA! USA!

hawkypunk

Ok, ok. I wanted to not like it, and for the most part, most of my misgivings about a return to world war 2 remain firmly in tact...

But the moonlight was stunning, and if the whole game ends up being creatively lit, I'll play through it.

If most of the game is just more daytime ww2 claptrap, I'm out, though. It's got to be at least 50% sunrises, sunsets, moonlit raids, etc. And the problem is, I know it won't be - not for artistic reasons, but just because low-light situations make for bad gaming situations, and I can't imagine they'll run the whole game that way; I wouldn't be surprised if it was a 15 minute interlude in an 8 hour game.

Dear Treyarch: Show some creativity, or I won't touch your game with a barge pole. I'm spoiled by COD4, MGS4, and would rather play more Civ Rev than end up in yet another WW2 FPS. I don't want to Save Private Ryan, I want his innards strung across the beach. I want his head on a pole as a warning, with a little sign below it that says "stop retreading this old tire."

gblock

The only thing missing from that trailer was Laurence Olivier narrating.

Patient

@okenny :):
I think there's just as a good a chance that the CoD games will stop being numbered altogether and instead go by subtitles, kind of like the Need for Speed franchise. Once you start sticking numbers like 6 and 7 at the end of a title, it looks kind of ridiculous.

notoriousEIC

@dashyt2dafulliz: I don't think anything is ruined to be honest with you. I'm just trying to highlight the fact that (I believe) the number 5 being missing is deliberate. I used the Cover images to show you a well established pattern that you simply wouldn't break when the franchise is at its strongest.

okenny :)

I'll give CoD5 a chance, it should be BRILLIANT. As for Call of Duty: World at War, I'll wait until it's closer to release date.

Libo

hahaha whoa- i never thought i'd see the day when gamers had 'enough' of WWII genre games. XD

Personally, though I too think the genre is indeed getting old, but bring me back Conker: Live & Reloaded, and I'd be the happiest "WWII genre" gamer sun'a bitch ever.

King Seafoam

The game does not sport the "5" suffix, so you should really remove it from the title of the news.

Sethos

Australian campaign and I'm in. Otherwise I'll wait for Infinity Ward's next COD.

Demaar

Cautiously optimistic! Benefit of doubt given! The facts that it'll include co-op and that so much is being carried over from IW's innovations in Modern Warfare helps... But really, given that no WWII CoD has yet topped Brothers in Arms: Road to Hill 30 from the old Xbox, my eyes are on Hell's Highway. Sure WaW may be prettier, but if history repeats itself with historical shooters, my money is on BiA, not CoD.

B-Minus

I'm a generally positive person, but the trailer honestly shows NOTHING to be hyped up about. What makes this different from the plethora of WWII games in the market? What's the new gimmick this time around? Whatever it may be, the trailer does not show any of it, except maybe a ninja slicing an American soldier with a dagger.

ChiChi_BBQ

WWII? I'll pass.

StupidDufus

short trailers make me suspicsious
i'm pretty sure it will be an ok fps, but no cod4

balaamsafe

@okenny :): That still doesn't answer my question, just because the Treyarch developed games have titled doesn't mean that Activision has regarded it as "ruined" like the poster said.

dashyt2dafulliz

@lordargent: Yeah. Good idea. The only game I know that pulled off the SWAT Team setting was SWAT 4 (which was made by the same people who did Bioshock).

@The Magnificen7:lol

garytek

@Snake726: This isn't a numbered sequel. Not yet. So don't call it Call of Duty 5, it's called Call of Duty: World at War.

The Magnificen7

Will give it a try when it comes out, can't really judge by only that trailer.

But yeah... I'm also tired of WWII fps games. Nothing against the developers or whatever.

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

is it not about time they used the medieval era for cod or something?

kenjara

This might blow your mind, but...

Maybe... this is in... third person? Would you like them apples? Because I would. I would like those non FPS WWII apples a lot.

Somebody hire me.

Josh*

You're killing me with the calling of the duties with the fives and what have you.

fourzerotwo

The game looks good, but even after stating that...Its outlandishly obvious...about WW2 games. Its done, leave it alone. How many times do we have to relive that War or play through it? It doesn't matter if the graphics are better this time or the gameplay has improved its just not an interesting premise for a game anymore...Its washed up.

element7

also they don't seem to have any connection to the gamers whatsoever

did they really think that *going back* to WWII would be well received?

no, they didn't. they just didn't care

Pete193

why should we give them the benefit of the doubt when they already abused it?

screw em

Pete193

I'm sure it has been said a million times (too lazy to read comments right now) but I don't really like the fact that there is already a COD5 flying down the pipeline. Is this going to be a yearly release? Can I expect a COD game with a different coverboy soldier every fall? No offense to Treyarch *cough* ACTIVISION *cough* but let IW nurse their baby and bring us quality titles when they are good and ready and the series is not still fresh in gamers minds.

That Boy Baked

thats sily, if it had modern setting again ppl will be complaning about "oh no its same as cod 4 !"

GimmeCat

I wish people would stop behaving like Treyarch killed their cat or something. The United Offensive expansion for CoD1 is still my favourite CoD campaign, so I know they're a capable team.

It's not even like CoD3 was all that bad, either. It wasn't amazing by any stretch of the imagination, but it was a different experience at the time to virtually any other game on LIVE.
This'll be more of the same, class-based combat with vehicles but this time built around the lovely CoD4 engine. It may not turn out to be as high in the fast paced thrills as CoD4, but it'll probably be a deeper experience.

Still, we'll not let that get in the way of a good internet whinge, eh?

Br0ken_Engli5h

Nope, no benefit of the doubt for Treyarch. It would have taken about 10 minutes worth of market research to find out if people are sick of WWII games, I don't care how good this game is, the setting is tired and boring.

photoboy

It's pretty. And I hear it's primarily in the pacific, which is my favorite WW2 theatre. However.. Damn I'm sick of WW2.

I pre-ordered COD4 for the prospect of solid multiplayer, prettiness and a -new- story.

This looks.. like a rental. Sigh.

Clockw0rk

That trailer looked awesome.

Why all the hatred on this? WWII a step back? It's a fucking War shooter! Does time period really matter? Did it make MW any better? No! It was still a damn war game with Night Vision and Chernobyl instead of flashlights and houses.

Climbing the tree is a pretty cool gimmick, the flamethrower looks cool, and did anyone else see that plane crash and building explode?

I don't care if it takes place in the past. That doesn't affect my gameplay. Controls, graphics, sound, presentation affect my gameplay. If it controls nice, has plenty of features, nice A/V, why the fuck should 'WWII' matter?

Quit being so bitter.

AZRoboto

Well the graphics look good enough. Will be cautious until I read a couple of hands-on at least.

"but can we have one CoD5 post go by where people can at least give developers Treyarch the benefit of the doubt? "

Wait what? Is this Luke? What have you done with the real cynical Luke Plunkett? Hmm could've been hog-tied somewhere in the Outback.

excaliburps

I liked CoD3, and I'm okay with going back to WWII, it's an interesting setting.

Doshi

This isn't "Call of Duty 5" it's "Call of Duty: World at War"

Manny

@photoboy:
Which is like saying "don't ever try to better anything". There has been a lot of WWII shooters in the past, but it has way slowed down on that front.
Now we're bombarded with generic space marine shooters, and yet people are still fapping at the prospect of Killzone 2?

@GimmeCat:
Exactly, although they could've done the whole 'nam era thing with this one. A really gritty take on CoD with a 60s soundtrack would be an instant buy.

Br0ken_Engli5h

Yay i guess? Nah nevermind. This is going to suuuuck.

Cchrist

perhaps a bit of a backwards step making it WWII again - but you can't deny that it looks like it's gonna be good

Fokwok

I've loved EVERY COD, so I'm sure this'll be no exception regardless of the developer.

And say what you want about WWII games, but this gamer can't get enough of them! I still play BF1942 on a weekly basis!

TheGamesta

@Master_Achilles: @Fadakar: MUST BUY!

But really, I am getting this, solely because of Pacific + Eastern Front

Jagzthebest

@Mr. Mastodon Farm: No Nazis in this game, sorry.

hotdamn

Listen, if they're going to keep playing it safe and putting out the same game with slightly upgraded Nazis who aren't as eager to sit on your grenade; they need to spice it up a bit.

Otherwise they can shove it right up in their collective asses and get back to work on Web of Shadows.

Mr. Mastodon Farm

Newer, longer trailer:
[www.gametrailers.com]

strangely, it emits the PlayStation logo in favor Games for Windows and Xbox 360.

hotdamn

I don't doubt Treyarch's skill as a developer; indeed, they're good at what they do.

The problem comes from the source material. Everyone is tired of WWII games. Yes, there's a lot of WWII material to work with.. but that doesn't mean it needs to be.

I'm sorry, but I will not be buying World at War. I don't doubt it will be a great game, but the WWII setting simply killed it for me.

mphz

Tbh no Infinity ward and a return to the WWII makes this new CoD a regular shooter

Ariakkan

Flamethrowers \o/ finally ive had to settle my pyro urge by playing alot of TF2.

rincew1nd

Look, CoD3 was not bad. Not at all. It's just that I, and most like me, are sick and tired of World War II. I won't pick it up. It's not that I don't want to support Treyarch who are good developers, but just because I refuse to feed the WWII machine anymore. I'll stick with CoD4 until someone does something different.

TheHeartless

After COD4 I've had it with obvious spawn scripting. <

Zeouterlimits

Looks like crap. Plus you still wont able to play with germans on singleplayer. screw that.

Internetorz

Ive spoken to a few folks who were vets from that era.

Not pretty stuff to say the least.

Too bad they have passed on already, it would have been an honor to hear them tell their stories again.

Witzbold

@Hassun: @Witzbold:
I do think thats exactly what they were going to focus on, I remember reading something about setting Nazis on fire with horrific detail.

hk458

Trailer looks alright, I was drawn to 4 because it wasn't a WWII shooter, but you never know...

David Whitney

Let's just hope they'll focus more on the horrors of war this time. I wanna see people, losing their cool, going nuts, resorting to cannibalism, etc. I want another shooter with a captivating story. Just like the first Medal of Honor games.

And all the people here dismissing a game simply because it's WWII are just close-minded retards. At least wait until you know more about the game before you jump to conclusions.

Hassun

Ill give this game one thing is the fact that I think it might be able to portray the horrors of war a bit better than COD4.

Witzbold

I'm looking at the entire list of Treyarch developed games here and I can't see a single one that is any good. Not that I've played all the movie licensed games or Neversoft ports...

dowingba

IMPORTANT: just updated the trailer. They released a teaser at first, ive now embedded the full-length one

Luke Plunkett

I'd prefer to play as the Germans or Japanese, who doesn't want to go through a whole campaign killing the Allies and eventually losing? Could have a deep emotional impact. See: Crisis Core.

Libo

I doubt i'll play this game. The main reason for this is that i know i'll start with a Thompson gun and i'll end up switching it for the German sub machine gun (or the japanese equivalent).

Davizias

WWII, AGAIN? *sigh*

Lemming

Wow.

There are Russians there.

Nobody's done the Manchuria campaign yet.

At least they're coming up with fresh WWII material.

Polterg3ist

@hotdamn: Actually there will be nazi's, but only part of the time, seeing the game features both a pacific campaign and a russian campaign.

Sainted

@Zim: This again? Defending Activision for their underhanded practice of tossing every odd-numbered COD game to their crappy developer just to pump the games out faster?

Would you rather wait 2 years for the sequel? Well, yeah because I'm not gonna play the crappy game in the meantime and it only serves to cheapen the franchise.

Also, the whole "Treyarch only had X amount of time to make CoD3" isn't a very good argument. It's not my fault CoD3 was rushed, and it doesn't make it any less of a shitty game. Also, Treyarch don't have a very good track record when it comes to developing games. Why the hell would you think CoD3 would've been better if they had more time to develop it? Treyarch's sole purpose is to pump out crappy games while real developers work on good games.

dowingba

This trailer had me hoping for Infinity Ward in 'Nam. THAT would be badass, easily the best Vietnam shooter. Ah, well...

OAKside

@Witzbold: @Witzbold:

yes im tired of WW2 also because of this.

the only saving justice for this game is the pacific but WW2 far outwieghs the pros for the game so i will not be buying another WW2 game for my collection no matter how cool this is, seriously.

Dakobah

"The horror... the horror..." might be cool for the first few times. But for now, it's just getting insistingly boring. The same traumas and horrors of the war being explored time and time again.

Ashurahori

There's waaaay too much biased negativity in this thread. If the game sucks, it sucks; if its good then enjoy it for what it is, who cares if its WWII or not!

TheGamesta

@Zim:

Yes... I'd rather wait.

gamedismantler

@Kenofthedead: And in Call of Duty 2 the first 2/3 of the game were played as Russians and Brits.

dowingba

It looks exactly like CoD4 albeit it's set in WWII, in my opinion a better period to set any shooter in. I'll be picking it, not because I'm bored of CoD4 - and I am - but because it's shown me no reason why I shouldn't; other than the comments in here that is.

Fallible

I will probably rent it or buy it when it goes down in price.

RockstarLlama

@InsidiousTuna: @

thing is that they aren't keeping the awesome multiplayer 4 had. They are gonna go back to the shit multiplayer 3 had(which included vehicles and terrible terrible game play). I think the single player will be good but i really doubt the multiplayer will be worth playing.

fivepointsmakeafist

I think its pretty dumb that people are complaining about the new cod, i mean everybody is just mad cause they cant get their cheap kills with the noob tube, or use the .50cal. i mean get real, its not like its going to be a bad game, all the other cod games were ww2 and whats so bad about them? its just going to be cod4 with a new skin, instead of the r700 and p90 youll have the springfield and the tommy gun. and instead of killing infidels in iraq or wherever youll be killing japs in the pacific. its not going to be a bad game and if you think it is dont buy it. just wait for cod6 to come out. and oh yeah "trying to hit the broadside of a barn with a tommy gun" wtf? if you actually aim with the gun you can shoot whatever you want. and bolt action rifles, like the m40 and r700 arent? they were the best two sniper rifles from cod4, unless you say the .50cal and people only liked it cause it was big and made a loud sound when you shot it, it didnt even kill the first hit and the m40 does. so yeah complain a little more, and cry when you can noob tube somebody, or the cheap m16

dingdong69

@Davizias: It was a pretty good rifle from what I understand. Apparently a tank could run over the damned thing and it would still work. Is what a weapons crew I became friends with told me.

But yeah Im sure they will put the SMGs and MGs into the game also, but they arent anything special. Since the SMG looks like a Sten, and the MG is a copy of the British Bren.

Which is why you gotta admit its pretty impressive the Imperial Army managed to do as much damage as it did with such primative weapons.

Witzbold

@hotdamn:
Doesn't make much of a difference, since everything else looks bland and derivative.

Mr. Mastodon Farm

It can't be any worse than cod2.

poser85

I want night vision, red dot sights, and silenced sub machine guns; I want unmanned air vehicles, accurate assault rifles and more than anything else I want a varied multiplayer experience. In the words of Jeff Gerstmann - "Old guns suck"

There aren't enough of them to provide the varied multiplayer found in Modern Warfare. Everyone will be running around with one of 4 loud and inaccurate rifles.

Varone

it's Call of Duty 3.5

kevinl

@Witzbold:

Thanks for the info. So in CoD5 you'd either be stuck with the Thompson or pick up a Japanese bolt action rifle then? Well bolt action can be fun if everyone else is using it.

Davizias

@Witzbold: There are other rifles that they used like the Type 44, but the Type 99 kinda took over near the end of the war. Not totally but it was a good number of the rifles that were used I do believe.

Might have to do a bit more research to confirm this though.

Witzbold

@Davizias: The average Japanese soldier didnt really use any SMGs or MGs.

Most of them used bolt action Type 99 Arisaka Rifle.

The MGs and such were saved for machinegun nests most of the time. Since they were too valuable weapons to be lost on the front lines.

Also production of MGs and SMGs was quite complex for the Imperial war machine back then so not as many were produced as the allied side for example. Which is why the more simple Type 99 rifle was produced instead. As the war dragged on even the quality of those rifles dipped, and automatic weapons became even harder to come by.

One other issue in general the Imperial Army had was they used way too many different sized rounds for their various guns so at times soldiers would be screwed in the event if they ran out of ammunition since they would not be able to share ammuniton.

Witzbold

I'm sure it's coming out for the PS3, but why wasn't there a Playstation logo at the end of the trailer. Or why would they decide to release the first trailer as a 360 commercial. Money hat?

BebopBlue

They dropped the 5 because they don't want it to hurt sales for COD4, which is still selling nicely.

bee01

@freakout: Trust me from the small bit I saw already in the trailer, Ive got a feeling / hoping they will pull it off better in a different way than COD4. COD4 could have gone a step further but they didnt.

@Quilt: Yeah usually thats what happens when you have large amounts of fire plus a large amount of people. Its not a pretty way to go.

Witzbold

I played CoD3, I owe Treyarch the benefit of nothing.

Nobuyuki

So there's someone speaking Japanese with a very thick accent in the background of the trailer... what's that supposed to be? It certainly does not sound like a Japanese soldier.

sethk

They really focused a lot on people burning alive didn't they?

Quilt

@Witzbold: I dunno, Witz... that horribly confusing moment in CoD4 where you stagger around in the aftermath of the nuclear firestorm, before dying an awful, lonely, painful death was probably the most hard-hitting "war is bad" moment I've ever experienced in a video game.

Tough act to follow! I don't envy Treyarch. Wish them the best of luck too, it's always nice to see the Internet proved wrong...

freakout

@suya123: I wouldn't call it overused as opposed to ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT EVENTS THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE WORLD. There really isn't a choice, man. It's either a made-up war, or one that everyone associates with, whether or not they fought in it. Yes it's old. But technically, so is fighting aliens.
@Zim: I think the hate for Treyarch is because of them taking a franchise and making games that aren't good under its banner. It's just not cool.
And giving them the benefit of the doubt is for people with money to burn. I try not to be cynical but I can't find everything to be puppies and rainbows for me. The fact of the matter is that when a company makes a garbage game that will be held against them, regardless of how awesome the company is/was. Like Rare. Like Free Radical. Like the last several years of Sonic.
I'm not saying that the people who work at Treyarch are bastards, but I won't buy their game unless it suddenly holds up to COD4 in juxtaposition.

jBusiness

@Witzbold: 6.2 million.

The Imperial army made 6.2 million Type 99 Arisakas.

Polterg3ist

I think it looks pretty good. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

armchairnixon sees you doing that thing there...

This game looks violent!

Danarcho

@NX01: You sure they aint gonna lay you off for devulging that information to us mate? ;D

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Im curious about if you shoot a guy with the burn bag in the back if its gonna cause him to light up brighter than a christmas tree.

Witzbold

Trailer looks good, real good.
...but why the hell go back to world war two? The reason COD4 was such a huge success was that they brought it up to current day. How could they not realize that??!?

Sam_Lowry

color me disappointed, not becasue it looks bad... no, it looks great, the problem is... arent we all sick of WWII games by now, theres only been like a million of them done already, and you can only storm the beaches so many times before it becomes boring.

DarthTauri

Every giving it a Pass just because it's not Modern need to get smacked.

Why i think it will actually be good:

-It will use the COD4 Engine, TA even Improved the Physic's and Lighting of the engine.

-2 Player offline and 4 player online Co-Op.

-Vehicles in Mutiplayer

-Online will be more Squad Based than 4.

-Flamethrower (That alone has me already Pre-Ordering this game =D )

-TA is actually taking a page from IW's book and not rushing, it will have a Dev. Time of 2 years, same as COD4 and twice as much as COD3.

-New gameplay element's, like climbing Tree's or being able to shoot out Thin Wall's and such to make yourself a door.

-Buy it or Treyarch might lay me off, SO BUY IT PLEASE!

NX01

I want to see some gameplay. Is it just me but the end showed Games for Windows, and Xbox Live but no PS3? Is this taken from the footage off of the Xbox dashboard or dit they just forget one of the platforms entirely?

okrangerbob

I don't understand why so many people hated treyarch. You all say it is because 3 had a terrible story and was a redo of 2. Well fyi WWII games don't need stories. They just reenact famous battles to give us a view point of what the war was like.

Plus we have never played a well done pacific theater game before. The terrain alone opens up a huge amount of gameplay possibilities. In my opinion COD4 ruined the series and killed COD. It was a mere 2 hours long and no that fun to play twice and the multiplayer was underwhelming.

Imashinu

Ah, the sound of the herd, bleating in unison over how terrible they all think Treyarch are. With a suspected 50% merely saying so without ever having played a Treyarch game, no doubt...just CoD4.

Why don't you folks actually wait for a demo or something before writing it off?! Wait for a hands-on! Wait for more than a short trailer. Sheesh.

I'm just praying that Treyarch put Aussies in there.

[jp]

+ Watch video

...good film, Kokoda, if you haven't seen it.

pylon_trooper

Maybe treyarch knows they have to step their shit up now after all of the hype around COD4.

J0hnny-Kickass

@zoompooky: Well as much as I hate going back to WWII its more like because this was in the making during the same time COD4 was Id assume. So you cant exactly just drop everything then try to remake something from scratch again. Proof of this theory is the fact that the game is pretty much done according to reports.

Witzbold

COD4 is the only one I've ever played, because I don't want to play in the eras of the other games. (I tried to the demo for COD2 once, thought "not for me" and dropped it)

After modern warfare was such a huge success (sorry, I meant "hugemongous" success) for them to go backwards doesn't make sense. I can only assume this game was in development before COD4 was released and it was too late for them to fix it.

So, nothing against Treyarch, who may have done a fantastic job, but simply put they built a game I'm not at all interested in.

zoompooky

@sethk: Cant tell too much of the "important" parts of whats being said is inaudible.

Witzbold

Yeah, like most people I've already beaten World War II like, several times. I wish they would just go back to World War 3 like CoD4 did.

NeoStarr

@NX01: Hope you're not superstitious, NX-01... but you know what happened to the TV show that featured your namesake, right? :P

freakout

I rather liked it. Looks like Treyarch is finally starting to figure out that WWII isn't a bad setting for a good story. The game looks like it might be hella fun. I've got my eyes out.

RawSteelUT

this game does NOT look excitingwhatsoever. the trailer was boring and it looks like treyarch are getting yet ANOTHER go at milking a franchise, and yes, ruining it at the same time. call of duty 3 was TERRIBLE. ACTIVISION....STOP letting treyarch screw your titles.....HONESTLY... please. oh wait, nope, youre there to make money, thats right.

ethermay

@Zim:
People don't like them because they're lame. Treyarch's never been known as a great developer. Their past titles consisted of mainly mediocre film and tv licensed games. IW pretty much set the standard for WWII shooters with CoDII. So when Treyarch delivered the mediocre sequel that was CoD3, you can see why many were in an uproar when it was announced they returned for CoD5.

Sure you can say that them (Treyarch) taking over allows more time for IW to gear up for the next CoD installment. But I much prefer quality over quantity. Going from IW to Treyarch is like taking one step forward and two steps back. And while I won't directly slam CoD5 having not played it. Given the track record of its developer, I think its safe to say that I'm not expecting much.

Heck, I'd almost go as far as saying that Spark Unlimited did a more credible job with Finest Hour than Treyarch has with CoD as a whole.

beem

I'd like to see some actual game play

mattthemanmurray

i have nothing against treyarch, it's world war games that i'm getting sick of.

even with this game looking as intense as the trailer made it look, i still bet in the end i'll get half way through, and then get bored of it (like i did COD3)

Desfunk

Sorry but this games looks a little too much like Call of Duty 3.5, they should not have brought it back to WW2, its just that simple.

Sniper_Zegai