The thing is, light saber's aren't made of steel. Because of that, it makes it 1500% harder and fucking over our heads too complicated to be able to get anywhere near 1:1 mapping.

With light sabers, one shot is all you need, and what makes the movies/cartoons/etc. so entertaining is that since both combatants are Jedi, they can parry and block so many fucking strikes that you're head explodes with juice, not orange juice folks (maybe purple). People will expect to be able to cut through anything, but they won't be able to. It'd be as stiff and retarded as Soul Caliber with Vader fighting some ninja guy who's just got a katana, which in a game that's "gimmick'd" out towards this saber mapping buzz, means you'll end up getting annoyed and the game will get shit scores.

Rainbows are the best.

mowh

Eh. Ugly face graphics.

sir_carrot

Damn and I was here dreaming I could translate my sword skill taken from years of practice into a game....*sigh*

WDYC

Don't you people know how tired you would get from having to constantly swing around the Wiimote for this? They should just implement a mechanic like the one in No More Heroes where it just detects the height level of the Wiimote, but you still use the A button to swing. Maybe they could even improve on it by using three different height levels instead of just two. I'm sure that alone could lead to a pretty strategic lightsaber game.

Green-clad Gamer Dude

Wouldn't there have to be sensors all over the room to gain full lightsaber movement?

m3rcer

@Aethyr: wii-mote is already sensitive enough

1:1 would be no fun

that's the thing people don't realize, plus it rhymes!

keep in mind, however, i don't condone waggle-fests like the above post implies.

someone commented the following before, but i agreed so:
it should be 1:1 while you "freestyle" then trigger canned animations for attacks.
something like the way it works in wii sports baseball,
except in a competent game instead of the lamest 1/5 of a disc.

snowlock

@k_dash: What about the Jedi Knight games? Those were pretty damn epic.

ShaggE

People, the Wiimote is never going to be sensitive enough to allow your movements to be perfectly translated to the game. GIVE UP.

@bigman88zz: Waggle is more fun to say.

Aethyr

I always felt that Soul Calibur Legends needed a sequel...
and when I say "needed a sequel", I mean "need a sequel like an extra hole in the head."

wirebrain

i still dont see why people use the word "waggle" instead of "waving"

bigman88zz

"It's not a Lightsaber simulator, but when you swing your Wii remote left to right; your character does the same."

PASS! Wake me when Lucasarts comes to their senses.

pinoy78

Damn.. The guy uses the word "lightsaber" in all of his answers >_>

Well, this might be good, since it's a Wii exclusive and not another crappy PS2 port with forced Wii controls.. I'll keep an eye on this

CockroachMan

Krome Studios? So, in other words, the certainty of mediocrity.

alitcofsky

Is there anyone here really into Star Wars franchises? The only one I truly enjoyed was the N64 one. The rest were nothing but garbage.

@R3load: Sharp as fuck.
I just had to say it.

k_dash

I personally don't see what the huge obsession with 1:1 lightsaber movement is.

It would look all herky jerky like the tennis rackets and baseball bat in Wii Sports. Not at all very Jedi like...

All I want is a game that if I swing a lightsaber / sword left to right, my character swings left to right. Or if I do a stab, my character does a stab. Or if I do a downward slash, my character does a downward slash. You get the point.

nastysquared

The word "wagglesaber" intrigues me. I demand that this be the title of a future Star Wars game.

ShaggE

I am digging the clone wars cartoon shapes

ThatsMrOffDutyNinja

Take a shot every time the man uses the word lightsaber.

Also, where's my lightsaber simulator?

Does the Wii have the technology to display 1:1 movements from the controller to the lightsaber on the screen? If not I want my money back so I can buy stamps to send letters to George Lucas, Lucas arts and Nintendo angry letters about not making my lightsaber simulator.

Lightsaber.

Locke562

Are people still going on about 1:1 lightsaber mapping?

Wake up people, you aren't Jedi Knights, if you had 1:1 lightsaber mapping it would just result in you dying an awful lot.

paulmcg

"It's also about the character development that happens in Lightsaber Duels."

I'm hoping he mixed up some of his buzzphrases there, because that's one of the more absurd sentences I've read today

frostcircus

@R3load: Came a little close with the sabers too many times..

RazorandBlade

"which is a must-read if you want to see a man use the word "lightsaber" 20 times in a single interview."

Sorry, I only do 21 times or more.

kumuasata

Face it kids, who would really be skilled enough in the first place to play with precise, 100% realistic light saber mechanics in a video game? It would get so complicated you'd get frustrated and give up, and blame the game. Just saying.

reecord2

That old dudes head is sharp as hell.

R3load

@Green-clad Gamer Dude: i understand all that, but i still think it would work.
as evidence i submit the aforementioned bat-swinging in wii sports baseball.

if you twirl the remote like a batter does, the bat moves like that.
you can do a "call your shot," but you can't quite knock the dirt off your cleats.
it assumes you're holding the remote a specific way,
and maps the on-screen actions to what the remote should be doing.
the game only has, like, one animation for the swing,
but add in a few different animations for different swing angles and it's a win.

i dunno, that's the way i see it.

snowlock

Man, that is one nice looking screenshot. I am impressed Wii.

Grumps

@snowlock: The Wiimote can sense the direction you're swinging, but it isn't accurate enough for 1:1 fighting. The only way it could do that is if: 1. It had more advanced motion sensing capabilites. 2. You were playing in a huge sensor-filled room and it relied on the IR precision of the mote. Or 3. If you were using some sort of Wiimote with a IR detectors on the sides and maybe a few addition sensor bars.

Also, the lack of resistance would always be problematic anyways.

Green-clad Gamer Dude

I have to say I saw some screens of the TV show the other day and was cautiously impressed.

Strangelove

Will someone just order a lightsaber simulator to be made for Wiiware and get this over with. The fans aren't going to be happy until they get their 1-1 motion sensing on.

Ryodestined

@snowlock: Es posible I surpose. Though it'd be nice if they gave you a couple locked swing animation, but you control saber movement from the wrist down.
@DrunkenNinja12: I disagree. Some of the cartoon stuff looks really good on wii, what I hate is the watered down gameplay to meet those graphics. As I've mentioned infinity+1 times on kotaku posts I'd love it if battlefront III on wii was made to look like the original cartoon clone wars series (the samurai jack style one, not this 3d animation stuff).

JokesJokes

@alitcofsky: Krome studios is the same studio that's doing the force unleashed for wii, which doesn't look half bad. ON the other hand, that means this is game most likely a streamlined version of the force unleashed's 2 player duel mode and nothing more. If it has four player split screen or 8 player online (and I never said it was likely) I will be very interested. At this point I'm just dissappointed. Also, I was kind of hoping for an adventure game, not an arena dueler.

JokesJokes

No way, a cartoon movie turned into a Wii game?!!!

Star Wars or not, I'm sick of cartoon based games on the Wii. I would like to play something other than a Wii specific game (i.e. WiiSports, WiiFit).

DrunkenNinja12

I just sorta wish some studio would go ahead, bite the bullet, and make some 1:1 sword fighting game for the wii, just so the fanboys will find out just how big a steaming pile it'll be, and stop clamouring for it.

But hey. It's just my opinion. Maybe all the developers are studiously avoiding it so that when one finally comes out that development team will make all the money instead of them. Yeah, that's it.

GnatB

I don't recall playing it, mustve missed it.

k_dash

Sounds like Twilight Princess with horrible graphics.

MasterJoefus

kinda off topic, sorry

@JokesJokes:
the few pics i've seen of this new cg cartoon look like cg versions of the old one.
i kinda doubt anyone from that crew was involved, but it would be awesome.

i thought the original genndy tartakovsky clone wars cartoons were great.
i watched it before seeing revenge of the sith, and i'm glad i did.
general grievous is such a bad-ass in the cartoons,
until mace windu force-crushes him and sets him up to chump out in the movie.
there are a couple of other ways the cartoon fits into the story-arc,
but this probably isn't the place to discuss all of that.

snowlock

@GnatB: An excerllent example of this would be okami which is really the reason I'm so sold on the idea.
@snowlock: Actually I heard the director or creative director or something from the cartoon series was the lead on the new cg ones. No offense to hime but I don't think his vision translates to cg very well...all a matter of taste of course, but I loved the cartoon series, but I'm pretty "meh" about the new cg movie. Of course it'll be nice to have a movie to take my star wars obsessed little bro to without worrying about the violence or language.

JokesJokes

@DrunkenNinja12:
Probably see so many cartoon games for the Wii because going stylisticly simple/low detail, (e.g. cartoony) is the only way you can make a game look good compared to ps3/360 games, Since you don't NEED the extra horsepower.

GnatB

@snowlock: Note that when you twirl your bat, there's a noticeable delay before your movement is translated to the screen. That alone would break any chances of a realistic lightsaber duel in a game.

Aethyr

I hate to say it, but when I saw this trailer before the Incredible Hulk last weekend, I had to look away. It's the original cartoon with all of the life sucked out of it. The worst thing I've seen in a long time, and another sign that George Lucas is not done raping the once good name "Star Wars."

Thorax

you know, a 1:1 game would be awkward for a few reasons, the lack of balance would make the swinging awkward(part of the reason that in lore only jedi can use lightsabers well), animating based on your movements woudl most liely lead to bizarre arm contortions as it tried to synch you up with the on-screen model. and since when you were parried ingame, a real feedback would stop you, the animations would be desynchronised. so yeah not realistic for any system, and you really wouldnt want it. As for this game, its art style is not particularly appealing in this game, but i will keep an eye, its a third party game for the wii, you have to keep an eye for those.

rianfrost

@Aethyr: hah! you tried it?

seriously, i went and tried it and i definitely see what you mean.
there's a delay between when you start moving the remote and when the bat moves.

unless it's input lag from the tv, which i doubt.
especially since once you get it moving it responds well.

it still doesn't negate the idea i posted above,
considering how the swings themselves and their angles are the important part.

snowlock

@autob0n:
Because you get to decide how that works. But yeah, the [new] Hulk was actually really good, you should go watch it, and if you already have, then go to sleep mr. asshole-grouch.

As for the topic at hand, eh, can't tell much of anything from any screenshot of any game, but anything with Jedi = win, in my book.

mowh

Oh and i love how you guys talk about how the cartoon had "life" but somehow without seeing the CG movie you already know that its going to suck. Me thinks you just hate Goerge Lucas....... and thats about it.

autob0n

@Thorax: Just the fact that you went to SEE the Hulk, makes your opinion mean zero to me. You said the word Hulk and Star Wars in the same sentence, and that my freind is insulting.

autob0n

1:1, you could very much end up like that fat kid.

hoezee

Christ, this stuff has been around since I was born and I still see the shit everywhere. Indiana Jones was more deserving of all the acclaim.

I wonder how much money Lucas Arts has made off of half-hearted cash-ins.

Mr. Mastodon Farm

Wow, this post completely misses the point.

First, Luke seems to have the impression that there's only one move (waggle). I read the article and I get the impression there are plenty of moves, i.e. it isn't 1:1 but you gesture a move and your character attempts to do something appropriate, which can be excellent if done well (we'll see). This isn't entirely made clear.

Second, Luke may still be under the impression that 1:1 movement was (a) technically possible to detect with the Wii controls - it isn't, if you move fast - (b) a good idea - it isn't, because with a lightsaber battle, somebody else can block your move and then what happens to your '1:1 movement'?

Don't get me wrong, this game might be shit, and its lightsaber control might be shit too - I have no idea. But if a game ever successfully achieves 'lightsaber' control on the Wii then this will be precisely the way it does it.

The post didn't mention what may (?) be a real problem with this game - it sounded to me like there was bugger all in it except lightsaber duels. I.e. rather than letting you do exciting action stuff, is the game really more like a fighting game but with Star Wars characters? (Hold on, Namco just called - they want their shit idea back.)

Maybe that was a wrong impression too, I hope so.

quen

@k_dash: Rogue Squadron or
Shadow(s?) of the Empire

Human Bomb

@paulmcg: That's why it would be fun. It'd be like what would happen if you gave 2 Stormtroopers lightsabers and told them to have a go at each other. It'd be pathetic. The single player would either have to consist of you fighting the Sith "Special" Division, or you just getting killed over and over. The point would be the multiplayer- where someone equally unskilled with the saber would take you on in a desperate, flailing struggle.

Dangeresque: I know Gundam is dirty but I love 00