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Denis Dyack Tells Too Human Trolls 'Put Up Or Shut Up'
Posted by Michael McWhertor at 10:00 AM on June 26, 2008
Silicon Knights bossman Denis Dyack is sick and tired of the Too Human bashing at popular gaming board NeoGAF. From the lowly rank and file to the very folks running the GAF circus, there's nary a Too Human thread to be found without its share of detractors. Dyack has, rather unwisely we think, issued a challenge to the teeming masses at the board, an attempt to... fuck if I know, but something Denis says is intended "to draw the digital line" between the SK haters and the faithful.
Those on board with reinterpreted Norse mythology and cyber-gods and giant glowing bears? Say you're "For". If you think the whole thing stinks of puerile fantasy and bad art? Consider yourself an "Against".
Dyack writes "When the game is released and everyone plays game all the speculation will be over. If I am wrong and gamers in general think the game is 'crap' then I am comfortable with getting tagged 'Owned by the GAF'". Every single other person who thinks or hopes the game will be an epic failure gets their own tag — "Owned by Too Human".
Yes, it's that sound of an idea. Unquantifiable and as ill-conceived as nearly any industry figurehead attempting to interact with or counteract the bad publicity of the internet's anonymous trolls.
I don't think I'll be weighing in with my own GAF username — my awful tag is just awful enough, thank you, mods — but I can't say I'm not a fan of the drama. Not sure how big a fan I am of Too Human, yet, though. In fact, I think I'll go play some Too Human, right now and sort that out.
Too Human - Stand and be counted [NeoGAF]

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malio
Posted 10:59 AM 26/6/08
Looks to me like the guy's generating press (cha-ching!) and having a bit of fun. I mean really, what's to lose from this? Some message board community isn't going to be able to do anything to this guy, no matter how 'important' it thinks it is. And boy, does neogaf think they are important. chyea. And we've all seen terrible games sell even after bad reviews (Kane and Lynch, Haze, shovelware).
They did the awesome 'Eternal Darkness' so they get the benefit of the doubt from me.
I'd call those little bitches out too, Denis. Good luck. ;)
malio
HaydenTenno
Posted 10:57 AM 26/6/08
@nonbreakingspace: He's actually a nice guy, so you shouldn't judge someone just because you don't agree with everything he says or does.
HaydenTenno
Brendar
Posted 10:56 AM 26/6/08
Silicon Knights have really never made a bad game. I don't see why Dyack gives a shit what other people say about a game they've never played.
Brendar
nick.soapdish
Posted 10:56 AM 26/6/08
I'm a really big fan of Silicon Knights and the work they've done in the past, so let that be my preface for what I'm about to say. I think that Dyack is doing the worst possible job of marketing this game and dealing with the gaming communities on the web. He has said himself in a few interviews (one notably on the 1up Show) that he doesn't feel like he should be the voice for the company all the time. He gets a bit overworked in regards to the great hype machine which has detracted the game since its first showing. At this rate he needs to see that regardless of whether or not this is the best game ever handed down to us from above, people are still going to hate it.
Him saying "the game will speak for itself" is kind of obvious at this point. No one has played the game, so how could they definitively say it's crap? They don't like the concept, how it looks and all the stuff that has nothing to do with having some time with it.
I think Too Human is getting it a little rough building up, but coming out and saying "You'll all be sorry!" isn't going to curry favour with anyone.
I'm looking forward to it.
nick.soapdish
AlphaOmega2012
Posted 10:56 AM 26/6/08
The game will be a flop! By the looks at what has been released it looks like crap.
AlphaOmega2012
wicko
Posted 10:54 AM 26/6/08
Who cares what this asshole thinks? This guy is so full of himself its nothing short of amazing. Sadly, he used to be a great guy back when my dad worked with him. But since Blood Omen, he's become what everyone despises in a leader.
Get out of my city, dyack.
wicko
Altima NEO
Posted 10:54 AM 26/6/08
Meh, good to see Im not the only one not too impressed with how the game is looking so far.
Altima NEO
Ghede
Posted 10:53 AM 26/6/08
I am neither for nor against. I am, and will remain until release, indifferent. Upon release, I might get the game, I might not. I think there is anything about this game that would cause me to be against it, but there isn't anything I've seen or heard that will get me in its corner quite yet.
However, I hope the game does well. I'd hate for Silicon Knights to shutter before Eternal Darkness can get a sequel.
Ghede
nonbreakingspace
Posted 10:52 AM 26/6/08
This game is a joke, it's been in dev way to long and has none of the history or appeal of DNF.
Plus this guy strikes me as a pompus twat, thinks he's shit hot. When really, he's just one of those two.
nonbreakingspace
Jeff Paine
Posted 10:51 AM 26/6/08
@vidgmr: Eternal Darkness, the same Eternal Darkness that's a cult classic with a 90% rating on Gamerankings and a 92% rating on Metacritic?
Wow, good call, that is garbage.
Jeff Paine
UbeWoll
Posted 10:50 AM 26/6/08
NeoGAF isn't a community. It's a cesspool.
UbeWoll
enewtabie
Posted 10:49 AM 26/6/08
You know Dennis,I'm willing to try the title even if I'm not impressed with what I've seen,but calling out a community is really stupid.Sometimes you don't have to sell a game so much.Let the gameplay do the talking and sit back and relax.
enewtabie
ksins5
Posted 10:48 AM 26/6/08
What a big baby...if he can't stand criticism then don't go and read a forum where the majority of its readers do not like your game.
ksins5
vidgmr
Posted 10:47 AM 26/6/08
LoL, I got into it with this dude some years back at the old IGN boards over Eternal Darkness.
I told him to make movies, not games. I'm a pretty hardcore Nintendo fan and I could see the game was going to be garbage. Not the idea of the game, the graphics of the game, or even the story of the game. But the way the game would be played...
This dude hypes up too much of everything about his games other than fun factor.
vidgmr
Arsenicberyllium
Posted 10:44 AM 26/6/08
@XbhaskarX: Nice. It was necessary to copy his comment. Because he can delete it and all.
/sarcasm.
@HaydenTenno: Can I make fun of him if I have an attractive, taut with muscles butt?
Arsenicberyllium
Polyh3dron
Posted 10:43 AM 26/6/08
Denis should have known how stupid it was to make this thread... After all, like they say over there: "This is NeoGAF, dude."
Polyh3dron
HaydenTenno
Posted 10:43 AM 26/6/08
@The_Catalpa: Of course, these people are most likely below Denis Dyack, so he should be the adult, but I find it nice that he put his reputation on the line with Too Human.
HaydenTenno
wild homes has particularly attractive fries today
Posted 10:43 AM 26/6/08
@Arsenicberyllium: Yeah, they really don't do the best job of it sometimes.
wild homes has particularly attractive fries today
The_Catalpa
Posted 10:41 AM 26/6/08
@HaydenTenno: Right, but the problem is, responding to those sort, in any way, shape, or form, is generally not a good idea. It's certainly not professional.
The_Catalpa
HaydenTenno
Posted 10:40 AM 26/6/08
He's got a point. People on internet message boards talk a lot of shit, even though they don't know shit. I guess when people hide their skinny/fat bottoms behind a computer monitor, it's easier to spew worthless BS.
HaydenTenno
XbhaskarX
Posted 10:39 AM 26/6/08
@ChemicalWedding:
ChemicalWedding at 06:33 PM
"What a big faggot baby."
This is the type of idiocy SK has to deal with...
XbhaskarX
XbhaskarX
Posted 10:38 AM 26/6/08
@turkish101:
That's... really not how it works. They're already working on the second one.
I predict this will turn into yet another Too Human thread ruined by moronic trolling.
XbhaskarX
Andromatic
Posted 10:37 AM 26/6/08
its up to SK to prove the doubters wrong. the game will speak for itself when it arrives
Andromatic
Gitaroo_Dude
Posted 10:33 AM 26/6/08
@Arsenicberyllium:
Nah, I really do think they need to shut Dyack up.
This is supposed to be one of their premiere 1st/2nd party titles, and the entire game has been plagued by unnecessary drama because the guy is too emotionally invested in the game.
I mean, MS' game division really doesn't need to have any more negative publicity at this point. Banjo will probably get a thrashing from the fans at release, and I can't imagine Too Human doing poorly would help the 360's image.
Gitaroo_Dude
ChemicalWedding
Posted 10:33 AM 26/6/08
What a big faggot baby. I hate how these 4chan colloquialisms such as "epic failure" are becoming more and more mainstream
ChemicalWedding
turkish101
Posted 10:31 AM 26/6/08
"When the game is released."
Heh, he's funny.
What a jackass. This is what happens when you unveil a game in 1999 before it's released (or will it be?) in 2008. And you plan to make this a trilogy? At this rate, we won't see the conclusion until 2026.
turkish101
CSat420
Posted 10:31 AM 26/6/08
The game looks pretty dissapointing to me, from what Ive seen so far atleast. Kinda sad Dyack feels the need to feed the trolls, thats kinda like "owning" yourself preemptively.
CSat420
Pombar
Posted 10:30 AM 26/6/08
It looks like a point-and-click RPG directed with an analog stick instead of a mouse. That's cool. They should stop trying to sell it as Devil May Cry: The RPG though. Because from footage, it clearly isn't.
Pombar
Arsenicberyllium
Posted 10:30 AM 26/6/08
@wild homes has particularly attractive fries today: Actually, I think he was making a reference to Microsoft's epic ability to stick their own feet in their mouths, even worse than Sony and Nintendo put together.
"Stuff Breaks".
Arsenicberyllium
UbeWoll
Posted 10:29 AM 26/6/08
Oh good. More game developers taking heart to the ignorant vocal minority. It's little wonder why gaming is in the shitter. Morons have a voice, and they're listening. Fuck this.
UbeWoll
Stimpy
Posted 10:29 AM 26/6/08
I thought this was going to be a shitstorm at GAF when I read it, but the people "for" the game overwhelmingly outweigh the people "against." Brilliant PR move? Maybe, just maybe.
Stimpy
bkchurch
Posted 10:28 AM 26/6/08
I think Dyack is the one who really needs to put up or shut up right now. I remember I was excited for Too Human... 3 years ago when they showed the first trailer. Now there's so many great games out there I really don't give a shit if it ever comes out. It's really all Silicon Knights fault too. If they hadn't thrown a fit over their discontent with the UT3 engine (and I may add they are the only developers thus far to do so) they could have had the game out by last Christmas.
Now though? All I see is a fairly generic looking action game with RPG elements... or a fairly standard RPG trying to shoehorn in some RPG elements. Whatever they're going for nothing about the game is blowing me away and they wore out the hype train this time last year.
bkchurch
pandafresh
Posted 10:27 AM 26/6/08
what the eff is a neogaff?
pandafresh
wild homes has particularly attractive fries today
Posted 10:26 AM 26/6/08
@Gitaroo_Dude: If by mouthpiece you mean duct tape, I'm in. It's one thing to bristle at the comments on the boards regarding Too Human-- I'll be the first to admit some of those people have been absolute fucking dicks about it-- but this is just really unwise. You know that some of those guys on NeoGAF would have still checked out Too Human, but every time Dyack actually stoops to shit-talking them, they're less and less likely to give him a chance ever again.
It's sad, but ultimately being a businessman sometimes means you have to swallow a lot of crap-- because any person, no matter what kind of rotten jerk, can be your audience.
wild homes has particularly attractive fries today
ocha
Posted 10:25 AM 26/6/08
I don't think he should be feeding this guys. Release Too Human first then brag if it becomes a success.
ocha
PITwelve
Posted 10:25 AM 26/6/08
Before viewing the trailer on XBOXLIVE I thought this game might show promise, having been developed by Silicon Knights, who I think did well with Eternal Darkness but. . . the trailer is pretty poorly directed and leaves nothing to be desired.
PITwelve
Atheist Jew
Posted 10:25 AM 26/6/08
*sigh*
I really wish this dick would go away.
Norse mythology and all of that crap aside, the game actually is relatively pretty. But it doesn't look like it's fun to play, and that's a hell of a lot more important then the visual design.
Atheist Jew
Murdoc
Posted 10:25 AM 26/6/08
Wait, He told people to put up or shut up? I thought thats what the fans should have told him....
Murdoc
Philudo
Posted 10:23 AM 26/6/08
Props to Dyack for taking the flak that Silicon Knights has been receiving. He's a good guy. I can respect wanting to defend his co-workers, but it probably would of done him good to just stay away from GAF. People there can get a little crazy.
Philudo
Gitaroo_Dude
Posted 10:21 AM 26/6/08
Uh... why the hell hasn't MS bought this guy a PR piece yet? He's gonna totally ruin the name of SK since most people never got the chance to play Eternal Darkness or their older stuff.
Gitaroo_Dude
Arsenicberyllium
Posted 10:19 AM 26/6/08
Ooh...Bad Idea man, Bad idea.
What kind of idiot says "Tell me what you thought of my game, and if you liked it, but thought you wouldn't, you're an idiot"?
That's really gonna draw a positive response.
Arsenicberyllium
1979
Posted 10:19 AM 26/6/08
The best they can do is really just ignore the criticism and push on through the development. Focus on just putting out a damn good game and prove everyone wrong that way. It's a waste of energy to defend yourself against forum users.
1979
Jeff Paine
Posted 11:27 AM 26/6/08
@vidgmr: Uhh, GameRankings and Metacritic collect reviews from elsewhere and average them together.
That means the game has over a 9.0 average review. That's really, really good.
Jeff Paine
KingBroly
Posted 11:23 AM 26/6/08
So can we say that Molyneux is more believable now or what?
KingBroly
enewtabie
Posted 11:22 AM 26/6/08
@UbeWoll: Agreed.
I'm still gonna play the game and I haven't been impressed with it so far.
enewtabie
Monstercloud
Posted 11:20 AM 26/6/08
Did the irrelevant old boob also say, "Be there, or be square?" Does he plan on showing up with 7 or so back up dancers dressed like some gang in "The Warriors" with choreography and jazzy music?
Maybe he'll be clever along with intimidating, and tell everyone at NeoGAF to find assistance buying the game, since they can't get their head out of their ass! LOLOLOLOL.
It's fun getting the few % of old people who read message boards angry.
Monstercloud
kinglink
Posted 11:20 AM 26/6/08
I've been waiting for someone to take the John Romero's school of producing again. This should be fun. The guy is already talking too much smack, and early reports aren't glowing.
I'd be glad to update my opinion later, but coming out and directly attacking naysayers isn't the way to get sales, release a solid demo, and solid game.
kinglink
okenny :)
Posted 11:15 AM 26/6/08
@UbeWoll: I love your name. It made me LOL! :D
...
I'm all for people calling out internet stupidity as they see fit. The people he's talking to know who they are. It's fucking stupid that we have to live like this in human society. I live through these pins and needles moments at work daily where someone says something that's so true but "everyone" knows it's corporate suicide, burning bridges... the bullshit flows. We read fairy tales about the king with no close to learn values like having the courage to speak out and we quickly denounce someone who does so.
I'll sure I'm not the first to feel this way but it may not be the optimal business strategy (and really, whose to say it isn't) but God bless Mr. Dyack for standing up to a literal hoard of unbridled idiots who shoot off the mouth words of absolute ignorance. He has the kind of courage I would want if I invested years of my life into making something I believed was amazing.
okenny :)
WhiskeyJak
Posted 11:13 AM 26/6/08
"For". And proud of it.
"For" Too Human.
"For" Fallout 3 by Bethesda Softworks.
"For" Fable 2.
WhiskeyJak
Antiterra
Posted 11:08 AM 26/6/08
You don't fuck with the Jesus! Err, I mean the Dyack!
Remember, folks, he's a deadly Mr. Samurai-man:
"I've got a sort of samurai mentality on some level. Just sort of the Bushido code. One of the main tenants is: Prepare yourself for death. And if you don't fear death, then you don't have to worry about it, you don't concentrate on it." [kotaku.com]
Antiterra
UbeWoll
Posted 11:07 AM 26/6/08
@enewtabie:
That's his mistake. It's his fault, too. Nobody wins when game devs listen to forum crybabies, let alone making a wasted effort to call out these idiots.
UbeWoll
Iceking5
Posted 11:07 AM 26/6/08
@wicko: St Catharine's isn't a city.
Anyways, Too Human could very well be the 360's biggest flop, so Silicon Knights better deliver.
Iceking5
vidgmr
Posted 11:06 AM 26/6/08
Eternal Darkness, the same Eternal Darkness that's a cult classic with a 90% rating on Gamerankings and a 92% rating on Metacritic?"
I don't drink the kool-aid of that cult.
And GameRankings? Metacritic? Seriously? That shows...what? I don't follow reviews, so that was kind of lost on me.
vidgmr
enewtabie
Posted 11:05 AM 26/6/08
@UbeWoll:
Maybe,but you shouldn't make yourself bigger than the game that your trying to sell.
enewtabie
bobdisgea
Posted 11:05 AM 26/6/08
man i hate him...but i want the game to be good...for some reason...part of me has hope for this and duke nukem forever
bobdisgea
Godzilla-Sushi
Posted 11:03 AM 26/6/08
He's right though! Nobody has played the game and just like Call of Duty: World at War and Fable 2 everybody has already decided it isn't good. Geeze...
Godzilla-Sushi
tfur
Posted 11:00 AM 26/6/08
Hey... I like your tag... what's wrong with it? Unless I am thinking of another person, or it changed...
Maybe Dyack's meeting with MS marketing went REALLY well...
Anything less that 90% rank average will be considered a failure for this game... maybe Microsoft can money hat and market this game to success...
Two Humans
tfur
wicko
Posted 11:55 AM 26/6/08
@Iceking5: You're right. City of St. Catharines is not a city.
wicko
Madeira
Posted 11:54 AM 26/6/08
@okenny :): Man... that was a hell of a comment. Seriously, right on.
Madeira
Aex
Posted 11:52 AM 26/6/08
How long til this guy is "Owned by the GAF"? 3 more years? 5?
Aex
zanzibarlegend
Posted 11:52 AM 26/6/08
GOOD IDEA.
telling people how good your game is.
BAD IDEA
pissing everyone off in the process.
zanzibarlegend
Giolon
Posted 11:49 AM 26/6/08
How about Dennis puts up and releases that demo that he promised us?
Giolon
TRT-X
Posted 11:45 AM 26/6/08
So we're in agreement right? We all tell this guy we thought it sucked regardless just to prove how stupid this challenge is?
Man...first that senator wanting Proof of Non-Rape in GTA, then I read this.
Are people just getting generally stupider these days?
TRT-X
wild homes has particularly attractive fries today
Posted 11:41 AM 26/6/08
@KingBroly: I don't know about that, but we can definitely say Molyneux's got a much better sense of humor.
wild homes has particularly attractive fries today
bouchert
Posted 11:38 AM 26/6/08
It almost doesn't matter at this point if Too Human is good. By this point, I can't even think of the game on its own merits without Dyack's attitude getting in the way. Loud and opinionated developers like Dyack and Jaffe...the games press just keep encouraging them, and they keep talking smack, and eventually I'm not just sick of them, but of their product too. I just wish they'd go away and make games, and let *those* do the talking.
bouchert
Jeff Paine
Posted 11:37 AM 26/6/08
If you want some more perspective on that Eternal Darkness score, it's the 9th highest-ranked Gamecube game on Metacritic, and 16th highest-ranked on GameRankings. It's the 187th highest-ranked game of all time on GameRankings.
SSBM, REmake, Pikmin 2, Metroid Prime 2, and other popular games all scored lower than Eternal Darkness on average.
Jeff Paine
malio
Posted 11:29 AM 26/6/08
@vidgmr: @vidgmr: Metacritic gathers all the reviews a game gets from most of the better review sources and gives the general percentage of those scores. So the average score of Eternal Darkness amongst gaming critics, was 92%. Which is great.
And btw, Eternal Darkness is one of the Gamecubes most beloved titles, and one of it's classic games, so saying you "knew that game was going to be garbage" is kinda sending mixed signals here. Cuz the game wasn't garbage, in fact, it was one of the GC's best titles.
malio
Amazon_Chris
Posted 12:12 PM 26/6/08
Well, maybe people wouldn't be so against the game if you could actually have released it before a decade passed since the game's announcement. I lost faith in it like four years ago.
Amazon_Chris
Sumada
Posted 12:00 PM 26/6/08
As much as I think too much hating on a game that isn't out yet is silly...this isn't the best reaction to it.
Sumada
ThisCharmingMan
Posted 12:56 PM 26/6/08
Oh Dennis...I know you're really passionate about this project. Hell, you've spent 10 years making it! But dude, you really just need to let the product speak for itself. I know, it's hard to contain yourself. Maybe you should invest in a PR rep.
ThisCharmingMan
mind in rewind
Posted 12:54 PM 26/6/08
I'm... forgainst it.
mind in rewind
jollydwarf
Posted 12:48 PM 26/6/08
Denis...you can't always win. (And you can NEVER win against the presumptuous, closed minds of Internet fuckwads.) But there ARE alternatives to fighting.
Well, sometimes. Hey, even selling like GTA, Halo, and CoD COMBINED won't shut them up. If they have no accountability and they routinely circumvent logic and honor, they never have to concede defeat.
jollydwarf
Michael McWhertor
Posted 12:46 PM 26/6/08
@Perdew: And I winced at your response to Mr. Dyack. Eek!
Michael McWhertor
ZhouYu
Posted 12:43 PM 26/6/08
Protip: You can't fight the internet.
ZhouYu
KingBroly
Posted 12:36 PM 26/6/08
Seriously, the man has lost his puny little mind:
[www.neogaf.com]
KingBroly
Perdew
Posted 12:34 PM 26/6/08
I laugh a little every time I see your tag, personally... ;D
Perdew
henri1kk
Posted 12:34 PM 26/6/08
I don't really care what a bunch of obese GAFers say and neither should he! Too Human has a pretty solid soon-to-be fanbase that has been following this game since day 1 (10 years or so ago) and they'll buy the game even if it's crap! Personally, I think the game will be good and, having played almost every game from the SK repertoire, I can say they're really good devs and deliver some serious goodness with every game! Can't wait for August! A lot of minds will be changed in that month!
henri1kk
exkon
Posted 12:30 PM 26/6/08
I think Dennis made a great stand here.
He believes that SK has made a great game. He's fully behind the Too Human project. And to the naysayers of all this time. To the people who have from almost day saying the game won't be a success because of long development time, law suits with Epic, etc. It's going to rock. He's known all along.
I think the community in general gets offended when they get shit-talked too. We just don't expect it back.
exkon
fuchikoma
Posted 12:27 PM 26/6/08
haha - I don't care what Dyack wants to hear. Dyack is one of those guys I don't want to hear from until he gets this game out.
fuchikoma
Intellectualdiot
Posted 12:25 PM 26/6/08
I literally have a 9 year old magazine previewing this title and it STILL hasn't released. (Unless I'm mistaken, the OPM in question is from circa 1999) A little disgust seems in order. Release the damn game already.
Intellectualdiot
edhe (xbl)
Posted 12:24 PM 26/6/08
Ah so fuck, we're all human. It seems like the entirety of the verbose within this community online just wants to denigrate everything that moves. Comments boards are filled with flaming, fanbois, pissing contests and it's all backed with comparison videos, meaningless score-reviews, tit for tat ignorance over platforms and games, a wholehearted 'defend my investment' mentality.
If the rulers of our world look into the gaming websites we all frequent then they'd likely see us all as frothing idiots who want nothing more than to tear each other apart in some sort of iconic semi-religious war based on console/genre/subgenre allegiances...
And let Dennis moan, he works hard, as do all Sk employees, to take their bacon home at night and people on message boards, too scared to go outside, are flattening his years worth of investment without any ACTUAL time with it for what? shits and giggles? to be cool? Greater internet fuckwad theory?
I reckon we need to call out the shitheads from the community far more often. Maybe make them shut up a bit. The kids in class that disrupt the life of other ones are (or should be) removed or silenced, so the rest of us can all get on with life. It happens naturally outside of school too, except the 'net. Where any bunch of 'tards can start a hate campaign over nothing.
I back his stance. If it flunks, then be it on his ego. If it's great, well done that man. Just like any other line of life, you've got to see the results to make a call.
edhe (xbl)
Rorschach2112
Posted 12:22 PM 26/6/08
Denis is a good guy, a smart guy... so what the hell is this?
Rorschach2112
sfubear
Posted 1:24 PM 26/6/08
I think for the most part what he did is silly but i think it is silly that anyone would call him out for it and act like their opinion matters. Games take a long time to make and a lot of man power. They put this game down like four times to make other games then they waited until next-gen systems where out because they had already been announced when they addressed the project again, despite all the problems I think this game is going to be good. I think it is funny with the amount of info out there on the game that people still think it is DMC knock off. It doesn't even look that much like DMC, fuck DMC that whole series sucked balls anyways, if this games does turn out to be like DMC I am going to be pissed that I pre-ordered it or that I got it at all. Plus i think it is funny that people insult some of the design decisions like they could go out and make a game that is better then the ones they make fun of
sfubear
ethic
Posted 1:21 PM 26/6/08
I'm thinking someone hacked his account.
ethic
Agnostic
Posted 1:10 PM 26/6/08
How can I be FOR or AGAINST a game I haven't even played. Internet reality is so confusing.
Agnostic
dead_red_eyes
Posted 1:54 PM 26/6/08
Ugh.
Dennis,
Just shut it and release your freaking game already, then you can talk as much shit as you like bud. It's been 9 years since you announced this game, 9 freaking long years. YOU put up or shut up, not us. Maybe you should consider getting some PR before you loose more sales on this game. And why the hell are you frequenting neoGAF? I would think that you wouldn't want your employees or anyone visiting that forum, or any forum for that matter.
dead_red_eyes
Gjerven
Posted 1:46 PM 26/6/08
He doesn't have a lot of confident when his game has to be better than Lair and Haze to win the bet. Almost feel sad for him: working with the game in 10 years and then he has this breakdown, and so little confident. :/
@Michael McWhertor: Found username and tag fast, but I didn't understand it until I searched urban dictionary. :D
Gjerven
peacefuloutrage
Posted 1:42 PM 26/6/08
@Arsenicberyllium: Not if you're honest. People are so obstinate this days and quick to form an opinion with little to no information, then fight to the death about how they are right. For something opinion oriented such as "do I like a game?" it's not so bad, but other more important topics are also the victims of this behavior when people don't even bother to look at the facts presented.
peacefuloutrage
tfur
Posted 3:06 PM 26/6/08
Wait, I thought your tag was related to your avatar. I thought it was cool... I certainly never thought it was a negative tag...
tfur
Garo
Posted 3:04 PM 26/6/08
Advice for Denis: STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!
Garo
Vanguarde
Posted 2:59 PM 26/6/08
Haha this guy is funny.
In fact, the level of idiot Dennis displays is well...
TOO HUMAN.
Vanguarde
Blah8
Posted 3:30 PM 26/6/08
And how in hell does he intend to gauge what the "gamers in general think"?
Another odd, yet, I'll admit, bold, PR stunt. The guy must really think the game is good to have such a crazy reaction to this one game when just about every game ever discussed anywhere on the internet has had a bunch of people who troll against it say bad things about it before it releases.
Blah8
超外人
Posted 3:25 PM 26/6/08
I'm still skeptical of the man for this specific title. I loved Eternal Darkness for creeping the hell out of me, but his recent talks about having games extremely short and in trilogy formats is disappointing. So yeah, I'm against such ideas and somehow feel the game will just be declared as "too short"
If it is as epic as GoW then most people will be happy, but who knows... we have to wait for the title to actually be released.
超外人
Silent Predator
Posted 3:11 PM 26/6/08
Dennis and SK made Eternal Darkness which was a great game (as many others here have pointed out), so as far as I'm concerned he can talk all the shit he wants until they make a game that sucks. Until that day comes (if it ever does) I say let the man speak.
And I agree with the man. I'm sick of all the Too Human hate that's be going on for the past year or so.
Silent Predator
DARTH_TIGRIS
Posted 3:09 PM 26/6/08
Hmmm.
Well, though this has brought out the Dyack haters here on Kotaku like boobie pics, I look at it a different way:
1) This (as several have stated) has really brought out more supporters of the game than haters on GAF.
2) For Dyack to do this? Seriously? He must REALLY have confidence that this game is something SPECIAL. And, as he noted, the difference between us and him is that he's actually PLAYED the game extensively.
Not a bad PR move. Not bad at all.
DARTH_TIGRIS
Swift_
Posted 4:02 PM 26/6/08
@Z4N5H1N: I hope so.
Nothing has ever come close to the hubris Ion Storm was displaying before their downfall. Previewers have been enjoying Too Human, and no one even pretended to like Daikatana.
Swift_
Z4N5H1N
Posted 3:38 PM 26/6/08
Am I the only one reminded of the Daikatana fiasco?
Z4N5H1N
Gouki4u
Posted 4:33 PM 26/6/08
An open letter to Denis Dyack:
Quit feeding the trolls, Denis. They thrive on attention. Getting your knickers in a twist is just going to give them greater satisfaction. Anyone already shit talking your game isn't likely to change their mind even if Too Human gets perfect scores across the board.
"Put up or shut up" applies more readily to you than any of your detractors. Finish your game, and let it speak for itself rather than argue with idiots on the internet. They'll drag you down to their level, and beat you every time, and even if you could win; you're arguing on the internet, and therefore retarded.
Sincerely,
Someone hoping Too Human is good, and is really looking forward to another Eternal Darkness game.
Gouki4u
Mact
Posted 5:05 PM 26/6/08
@HaydenTenno:
That's the thing.
His going to the depths of Neogaf to spew his nonsense reeks of an angsty teenager.
The proper route would to be shutting the hell up and actually letting your game speak for itself.
It'll be a sad day if every development team faced with criticism starts feeling the need to yell "I BET MY GAME WILL BE GOOD AND YOU'LL CRY WHEN IT IS!" in the all too crowded halls of skeptic gamers.
Mact
Snokie
Posted 4:54 PM 26/6/08
He's nuts.
Putting yourself against the brainless masses (us) only puts you in the same camp as Derek Smart.
That's not appropriate for the guy who made Eternal Darkness.
Just shut up and make your game. Do you really expect the trolls and haters to say:
"Gee Dennis, I guess you were right, I'll shut up now".
Snokie
Dr Terror
Posted 4:45 PM 26/6/08
I admire his spirit. Going up against the nameless & faceless while himself being well known (for better or worse) can only disadvantage him in the best of cases. Some people talk shit about his games simply because they don't like the guy- let alone if the games are good or not. (Which metacritically they have been- They let them do Twin Snakes ffs).
Its cute these gaffers think they have something to lose in the bet when in reality- they're arguing over Dennis' creative product, not their own. Petty personal vendettas & high school drama cheapens an otherwise excellent source of leaked game info.
As for Too Human. I believe in TH, not only because Dennis believes in it- but because I know why he believes in it. Whatever that is worth to you is yours.
Dr Terror
Mact
Posted 5:22 PM 26/6/08
@DARTH_TIGRIS:
That's equivalent to an author saying his or her own book is good.
Mact
Mact
Posted 5:17 PM 26/6/08
@edhe (xbl):
The problem with that theory is that school is a bit less of an optional thing for most. Frankly, I would prefer that those frothing with hate gather in one place; it makes it quite a bit easier to avoid them.
And, no. You won't make them shut up a bit or at all. That's the entire reason they do it online.
Saying that calling out 'shitheads' produce results kinda relies on the assumption that they don't realize they're being 'shitheads'.
Mact
TWODOGSz
Posted 6:56 PM 26/6/08
The man has a hell of a lot more cojones than me! He's knowingly putting his game and stellar reputation up for Internet slaughter, to hold trolls to account...
Considering he's the only one who's played it extensively, I can't not back such confidence in product.
I'm FOR Too Human. :)
TWODOGSz
NighTrekr
Posted 6:52 PM 26/6/08
Really bad idea, Denis. Just make TH good and they'll have to eat crow.
NighTrekr
photoboy
Posted 6:46 PM 26/6/08
I don't have a problem with the setting or character design of the game. It's the crushingly dull and repetitive sounding gameplay with it's long level grind that has put me off.
photoboy
Ricksterlau
Posted 8:23 PM 26/6/08
Mark my words, "This game will fail!"
Ricksterlau
AlDim
Posted 9:10 PM 26/6/08
Ganging up on this game for no obvious reason (apart from an innate desire to go with the rest of the bleating sheep) while readily riding the hype wave of other titles has become a pretty ridiculous trend.
Otherwise, it's pretty naive of Dyack to go against a mass of Internet haters.
AlDim
Joop
Posted 12:29 AM 27/6/08
It's an awesome idea. Remember how well it worked out for John Carmack and Daikatana?
I can see the print ads now "Denis Dyack is about to make himself your bitch."
Joop
edhe (xbl)
Posted 2:14 AM 27/6/08
@Mact: Very good point mate.
This is why the double-edged sword of policing exists.
edhe (xbl)
Druffmaul
Posted 2:47 AM 27/6/08
While I agree that this is an incredibly stupid move on Dyack's part... I have to give him props for telling NeoGAF to fuck off. That place is even more insufferable than GameFAQs.
Druffmaul
Jacktherip
Posted 2:41 AM 27/6/08
I'm assuming he didn't talk to anyone before deciding to do this...You can't change the minds of trolls it just doesn't happen. If they hate the game now, they'll find some way to hate it when they actually play it.
Jacktherip
JohnnyLA
Posted 2:27 AM 27/6/08
You're punching sand there, guy. Pretty much useless..
JohnnyLA
Placentasaurus
Posted 8:12 AM 27/6/08
All you people who are calling him stupid or a dick, try to put yourself in his shoes. Imagine that you've worked really, really hard on this game, but everyone is hating on it because they saw it when it wasn't even ready to be shown. Now imagine that these people, who haven't even played the game, have been hating on you for two years straight, for no good reason. Honestly, can you really say that you wouldn't do the same thing? No. You can't. I agree it's not a good move, but come on, he's only human, and unlike you, he actually has a reason to be frustrated and angry.
Placentasaurus
bobtheduck
Posted 2:11 PM 28/6/08
Too Human Forever!
bobtheduck
DugDawg
Posted 4:25 PM 28/6/08
The latest developer diary on Xbox Live showing off the game's co-op and loot distribution system finally got me excited for this game. I just hope the environments and gameplay don't get too repetitive. But at least I am finally starting to see the deep aspects of the game. I hope it has a decent storyline. I'm actually getting excited about playing through this game with a friend and collecting all kinds of sick loot.
DugDawg
splines
Posted 10:06 PM 28/6/08
Internet to Dyack: Don't Feed The Trolls.
splines