@The Karate Kid: Heh, I'll have you know that I don't even own a 360. Or a PS3 for that matter. I'm probably planning on getting a 360 in the next few months, though.

I'm pretty sure you'll see a game that uses MORE resources than MGS4 claims to use appear on the 360 in the next year or so. It's only "impossible" because Konami doesn't want to try. Anyone who thinks we've seen the peak of the 360 are just deluding themselves.

Or, maybe David Hayter's voice just refuses to be compressed.

Infil

Why can't you BOTZ just face it, it's over lol. It's pretty pathetic that I know countless people who is on there THIRD 360 lol. Now thats lame!

And YOU KNOW IM TELLING THE TRUTH!

And please stop with the WE NEED GAMES MOTTO, that was played out like 9 months ago!

The Karate Kid

@deathtastic:

Resistance 2 is multiplatform? How about Little Big Planet?

SG79

@Infil:

No one really said impossible. It will be stupid to port MGS4, financially. It's more than simple port for MGS4 to go 360. Of course one of the main problem is storage management. More money is needed for special boxes to contain multiple discs, even if it's a dollar more, it will hurt them. Port dev cost and package cost wouldn't make sense for business. Unless they know for fact that another few million copies will be sold at full price.
MGS4 is unique to PS3 for now... Maybe FFXIII will do the same...

neo177117

@The Karate Kid: You don't even realise that KOJIMA himself told people that MGS4 was possible on the 360? it is possible and it could have been done, the guy who made the game said so. The only thing wrong would be the storage medium and using compression technology that could be sorted. Reducing the resolution (720p) would make it fit better aswell and you'd lose very little.

Llost

I'm confused by what Kaz said.

OldManGaming

@The Karate Kid: and xbox is called the shooter box?

deathtastic

@The Karate Kid: Banhammer, please, get this troll off of kotaku.

Coors Light is God

All of the AAA games coming out are either multiplat or xbox exclusive sorry but the ps3 doesn't really have anything until 09 that isn't going to be on the xbox.

deathtastic

@LobselVith:

Um.Z how about

Metal Gear Solid 4 and these Exclusives.....

1) Uncharted Drakes Fortune

2) Warhawk

3) Resistance

4) MLB The Show 08 (Greatest BBG ever made)

5) Heavenly Sword

6) Gran Turismo Prolouge

7) Metal Gear Solid 4

8) Ratchet & Clank Tools Of Destruction

9) Ninja Gaiden Sigma

10) Motor Storm

Now of course 360 had a better exclusive list for the first year and a half, but what about from 2008 and Beyond? Don't you buy a console to Play Beyond? Play beyond the first year Hahahahahaha

Metal Gear Solid 4
Socom Confrontation
Resistance 2
Motor Storm 2
Killzone 2
God Of War 3
Final Fantasy 13
Little Big Planet
White Knight Story
***Enhanced BioshocK***

Many many many many more titles to come I betcha!

The Karate Kid

You know, MGS 4 was an awesome, awesome game, but frankly nothing that the 360 couldn't handle. And I just don't see any games on the horizon that are any different (system exclusivity aside, of course).

@The Karate Kid: Oh and regarding being a fanboy, I'm pretty sure you're a textbook example.

and @LobselVith: How many games on the way are ps3 exclusives, and how many of those are going to be truly great titles? Not many - certainly not enough to justify keeping the ps3 I just bought for MGS 4.

housewarmer

@The Karate Kid:
damn dude you need to stop sucking sony penis. Just deliver some games and stop making promise after promise, its all sony ever does.

deathtastic

@The Karate Kid: Hmm, you call him a fanboy, then launch into a tirade about how it's over for the 360, RROD is a landmark next generation effect and then plead for all 360 owners to trade-in their 360s for PS3s...

Makes... sense.

Zerbrechen

@The Karate Kid: I'm with you sort of on needing Blu-ray and the guaranteed hard drive, but the Cell processor? Come on. This reads like a transmission straight from Sony. Why does it bother you so much that people own 360s and enjoy playing games on them? Mellow out, please. It'll extend your life by a good five years.

Dirk Dorkelson

@i_9:

Exactly how many games in addition to MGS4 will it take to justify the purchase of a PS3? Eleventy?

LobselVith

@Infil: If your thinking Metal Gear Solid 4 is possible on 360 then your completely out of your mind and what I call a truly clueless fanboy XBOT.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is only possible on Playstation 3,

You need CELL & Blu-Ray & RSX & Built In Hard Drive in every system to make that happen. Look, lets face it folks, its over for 360. The system has had its run but is over. All the great games are coming exclusively to the PS3. Yeah I will buy Gears Of War 2 and Killer Instinct, but thats about it =)

If the game is being developed on a 8 Gigabyte DVD disk and if the game is not utilizing a CELL type blazing fast processor then you can consider it last gen, or halfway in between. Sort of like XBOX 1.5 Hahahhahahahahahah

I can tell you what is considered next generation from 360 though, RROD is truly a next generation type of Defect that can ONLY be Exclusively done on XBOX 360***

People dont BUY that system!! If you have a 360 please do yourself a favor and trade it in and buy yourself a PS3 system. Please................

The Karate Kid

I think Uncharted, Ratchet and Resistance are all great products.

But, it's true. MGS4 is the first to truly show what the system can do.

Even if you removed the amazing narrative, characters and gameplay.

The visuals are definitely a jump from what we're used to.

sascha23

All I heard was "Just because we suck now, doesn't mean we'll suck in 3-5 years!" MGS4 is one of the few games that will ever even come close to justifying a PS3 purchase, using it as a reference is stupid.

In any case, I love my PS3. I just love my Wii/360/PC/DS a bit more. Okay, maybe a lot more.

i_9

@XRFlip05:

"Early adopters feel stupid? I think the earlier adopters (like myself) don't feel bad about having a PS3 with the emotion engine."

In the case of the PS3, I feel stupid for NOT being an early adopter. Which sucks because that is probably the first time I didn't buy a console the first month of release.

But if I had known that Sony would do the unthinkable(to me) act of gimping BC, I would have been a little faster at getting the dough for it.

Ah who am I kidding,- I couldn't afford it at the time anyway.

romBox

@heretrix:

I've played several "good games" on the PS3 this past year. That doesn't seem to have quieted the detractors any...

LobselVith

@incredibilistic:
I'm only playing double's advocate here. These are criticisms that public relations should be very aware of.

Covert_Knight

@Trust me, I'm a doctor: Hahaha. Great minds...

freakout

Y'know, I don't think developers were ever "confused" by the PS3's marketing angle so much as the fact that it's a pain in the arse to code for.

Nought to worry about though. Much like the Saturn, the first gen was always going to be shit with such a developer-unfriendly piece of hardware. But they've got better tools and more experience now, and we're seeing a corresponding rise in quality. (Haze notwithstanding...)

freakout

Either I'm tired or some are reading too much into this. All I got it that developers got over the initial learning curve, and we're seeing titles that properly use the hardware.

SG79

Yeah Kaz, we were confused. That's why it took so long to get quality games on the PS3. It had nothing to do with the PS3 being a pain to learn how to program for.

Trust me, I'm a doctor

@Covert_Knight: Early adopters feel stupid? I think the earlier adopters (like myself) don't feel bad about having a PS3 with the emotion engine. And he did say that the releases of "true gen" games are accelerating, which means that they were they before but were few and far between. But I knew what you meant. :)

XRFlip05

I don't really think the game designers had any problem with sony calling it a 'media system' or whatever. It's not like they suddenly said 'oh wait it's more of a games console' and they realised they should make better games.

I doubt we'll see much better than MGS4 given the budget and effort gone into it. It's mostly CGI too so leaves an impression of high production values and good graphics (even though half the graphics aren't in game). It's going to improve ofcourse though.

Llost

So, what's he saying? That some games they originally sold with their 4D graphics was a bunch of bullhockey and chips?

Salen

@LobselVith:
"Geez, all these 360 fanboys getting their knickers in a twist over "true gen" - which is simply a response to Nintendo's "new gen" concept. :|"

Both of those terms sound idiotic as hell.
The only description I care about is "Good Game"

heretrix

Sony needs to stop talking... especially Hirai, he's very good at conjuring internet memes. I suspect I'll be hearing "true generation" used as a joke at Sony's expense in the future... I may even help out.

The True HD thing didn't work out for them (some of their biggest titles haven't even lived up to that standard) and I suspect that "true generation quality" is bullshit too.

Ninegauger

Where's the glowing red eyes dammit?!

remzeus

The developers were confused about what the ps3 was...
riiiiiiiight.

Neo-Senku

Also worst Kaz picture ever. Where's the one with the sexy black shirt?

heretrix

Geez, all these 360 fanboys getting their knickers in a twist over "true gen" - which is simply a response to Nintendo's "new gen" concept. :|

LobselVith

@Sparx: I was okay with Sony referring to it like that in-house, but when I'd see ads for a game releasing on "Gamecube, Xbox, and PlayStation 2 Computer Entertainment System," I couldn't help but think Sony was trying to overcompensate... and they were the market leader! Who were they trying to impress?

Does Not Equal

@EnigmaNemesis: You're telling me! Prepare your tinfoil hats ladies and gents! This one is going to be a doozy! =)

Hey if they release the new Team ICO game and it's on par with Shadow of the Colossus, then they can call it "The Sony generation time paradigm" for all I care. =)

excaliburps

Less marketing slogans more fucking games!

Don't shit on my house Sony!

heretrix

@Does Not Equal:

I know, my sense of humor seems a bit off since leaving school for the summer so my attempts at crude quips and insights are pretty much hit or miss lately.

Sparx

@Covert_Knight:

The Spin Zone.

I can't speak for Kaz but from a PR stand-point he's right and he doesn't make the early adopters feel stupid (Steve Jobs will hold onto that trophy) but instead is citing the fact that the PS3 had it hard for the first 18 or so months. Ports looked and performed like crap (well Orange Box STILL does) but those differences are fewer and further between now.

If anything he's trying to tell people that haven't invested in the PS3 yet that the worst days of the PS3 are behind them and now developers are finally getting into the swing of PS3 development. There's not that same general consensus that the PS3 is a pain in the ass to develop for (while that might be true it's easier today than it was back in 2006).

And like most PR statements rarely is the commentator talking to the people that already have one. For those that already have one we're more than happy to hear that things are getting better but Kaz and everyone else from Sony is going for new blodd.

incredibilistic

@Kiriphii: Don't worry, they'll be ready in 7 years- which is quite convenient, since the PS3 will supposedly still be going strong by then.

Zerbrechen

It seems pretty unlikely that the PS3 will be doing games that the 360 isn't capable of matching for quite some time (technologically). And by that time, Microsoft will have adapted and either released a new product, or upgraded the 360.

And no, I don't believe that MGS4 isn't possible on the 360. They may not want to put it on there (I guess because they don't like money), but the 360 is fully capable.

Infil

come on, sanyo, why hype the ps3 again? it already came out a year and a half ago. you had your chance and you blew it - high price and lack of games.. now hurry and release these True Generation games you speak of! or else this is just all hype.. loved MGS4 though

the_answer

The PS3 is definitely gaining ground, but Kaz really doesn't make himself sound better by making up terms like "True Generation"-- what's up with Sony and this "true" thing anyhow? First it was the myth of "True HD" and now this. The "True HD" thing was such a load of crap-- 1080P is true HD until the next resolution becomes standardised. Or maybe it was that 1080P was GOING TO BE true HD once TV networks start providing 1080P content? Oh, forget it. I'm so lost in Sony's spin it's ridiculous. I'm all for them-- and they're doing really great things-- I just wish they could speak more plainly, in a way that was less an obvious fuck you example of talking down to the apparently unintelligent consumers.

wild homes has particularly attractive fries today

@Sparx: It's a bit redundant now, though. My Sony-brand digital camera is a CyberShot, not a CyberShot Computer Imaging Apparatus.

Does Not Equal

So is that new weather thing on PSN part of this new gaming centric focus?

MGS4 has become my only reason for owning a PS3. I cant wait for God of War 3...it cant come soon enough but other then that there is nothing else I want for the system.

parad0x360

I guess this is an extension of the classic; "It's only the next generation when we say so". To which they have gone so far past that point they *can't* call it the next generation now, only the TRUE generation.

This smacks of desperation in some parts; if I were a developer whose work had already been released on the PS3, I'd be mightly offended by Kaz's comments.

Why do Sony feel the need to be joking around with us so much? If they want to make money they should release good games. They shouldn't release lacklustre titles and they say "Oh but we weren't ready yet, *now* we're moving in next gen territory".

Kiriphii

@Does Not Equal:

Well they are called SCE: Sony "COMPUTER" Entertainment.

Sparx

So let me get this straight, all of this talk about the PS3 being the true next gen, with true next gen games like Resistance or Metal Gear Solid 4 aren't true next gen? And you charged people $600 for early admission to "false" next gen?

Here's a tip to all the big guys; never make your fanbase who adopted early feel stupid.

Covert_Knight

I really don't understand Kaz's jokes...

Gunloc

That's kind of a given for any console life cycle. You'll see the first releases will blow people away because of just how new the system is, that wears off fairly quickly, and then we ramp up to where all that potential (or at least most of it, depending on the hype) of that system lies. Things are always getting better, anyway. Even the next Popcap title is going to have clan support multi-player, 90-minute cutscenes and Meat Shields just to fall in with the true generation of games.

Right?

nick.soapdish

@Katorok: Obviously. It was only 720p.

dynendal

I believe it. I mean hell if companies like Naughty Dog and Insomniac can make great games at the start just imagine how much better their games will be once they learn a few more tricks. PS2 was hard to program for at the outset of its generation too and look how its still growing and going as the best selling console of all time

Sparx

My post got removed(?). I refreshed and it was gone.

I'll try to repeat. Even a cynic would have to admit that the PS3 is gaining some ground.

Sales are picking up in all regions, all the new (and long time coming) PSN announcements will be great and the pipeline of upcoming games is really good.

2008 was supposed to be the banner year for the PS3 but I think 2009 will be even better.

incredibilistic

Or in other words...

We've sewn up the HD-DVD Blu-Ray war so no longer need to emphasize that aspect as being the next consumer holy grail.

Moving forwards we can now spend less money marketing Blu-Ray and more on paying for the exclusive games we need to sell our system over a 360.

Jelster

From watching the highlights of the 2006 Sony Press Conference, I'd say he was the one who was "confused" about the PS3

Zerbrechen

Pretty sure Sony was initially criticized for once again trying to tout their new GAME SYSTEM as something much more. Case in point: "PlayStation 2 Computer Entertainment System."

Does Not Equal

Even a cynic has to admit that the PS3 is gaining some ground. True, the days of PS2-like dominance is over (probably forever) but there's a host of great exclusives in the pipeline and with all the new PSN announcements and sales picking up in most every region, better days are ahead.

2008 was supposed to be a banner year for the PS3 and so far they're making good on their word but something tells me that 2009 will be even better.

*exit soap box*

incredibilistic

Geeze, about time.

>_>

So, is this when they announce the game of Killer Clowns from OuterSpace?

Kanik

Wait, Uncharted isn't a title that has the "true generation quality"!? =O?

Katorok

Oh boy!

This isnt going to go well.

EnigmaNemesis

Wow. "True Generation" games sound great. How many more years do I have to wait for those?

ACoBildo

@DeathBeforeDishonor: 1080p games at 120fps is not overpromising? Sure, if it's Pac-Man or Frogger, it's doable! Sony has been getting away with saying stuff like this because people like The Karate Kid believe every word that comes out of a Sony rep's mouth... It's not true! The PS3 is not the godlike machine that can deliver Pixar-like CGI graphics like Sony led all but the skeptics to believe!

henri1kk

@Llost: YEAH!

DeathBeforeDishonor

@The Karate Kid: Hideo Kojima said it can be done on the 360 and I'd rather listen to the guy that made the game than some ranting fanboy who just wishes what he says was true.

Llost

I don't care what you guys say about Kaz. His outline on how to make SCE profitable is going to work. If you look at the line up we know about for the future you can see why hes saying what hes saying. Kaz always has to frame shit with his little catch phrases, but I find it hard to believe that some of you can't read through that.

@deathtastic: What are you talking about? Have you even seen the line ups for the rest of the year?
@henri1kk: Dude he said "true generation quality". Thats not too big of a promise, and looking at the PS3 lineup, he has a point. I think you need to take your own advice, calm down, and realize that Kaz actually wants good games to come out. Why do you think Home isn't out yet?

DeathBeforeDishonor

Apparently, I can't proofread or close my HTML tags, either. Sigh.

Infil

@The Karate Kid: You're telling me on what authority? Do you have my Masters degree in Computer Science beat?

If you read earlier, I had already said I didn't own a 360. But I guess you're having a hard time reading in general, so I'll let it slide. :)

If GTA4 can fit on a 360 DVD, then you'll have to forgive me for being skeptical that MGS4 requires all 50 GB (5 or so times a DVD's size) that Blu-ray affords. If MGS4 requires more space than GTA4, it's certainly not by 5 times as much. If you reduced the resolution of the textures slight, or even gave in and released it on 2 (maybe even 3, if I want to be suuuuper generous) discs, there'll be no problem.

Infil

@The Karate Kid: Dude. Phil Harrison told me to tell you to stop calling him at three in the morning. You're scaring his wife. He doesn't even work there anymore. Give it up, man, there are plenty more fish in the sea.

Oh yeah, and Kaz said that if he catches you hanging around the office one more time, he's going to sool Jack Tretton onto you. Don't worry though, Jack likes you! Perhaps a little too much.

Retropants regrets nothing

@The Karate Kid: Oh my.. I loled HARD at this one...

Katorok

@The Karate Kid: You seriously need to grow up... Not to mention get your facts straight... Right now there's nothing one console can do that the other can't!
And that includes MGS4 (even if it had to be done on multiple discs, it's still possible on the 360)!
A year or 2 from now, when developers use the Cell's 6 available SPE's to the fullest, we will see some major differences but right now they're pretty balanced! And stop telling people what to do just because you only have one console and are so narrow-minded that you cannot accept that different people have different opinions!
Go fiddle with the "King" and let us big boys do the talking!

henri1kk

@The Karate Kid:

Now = the future?

Iceking5

@Infil: Listen I am telling you the game cannot be done on 360. I know that you loooove xbox live and you love your silly gamer card thingy lol But Metal Gear SOlid 4 can't be done. This is the god honest truth, the 360 can't handle a game of that magnitude. Guys, the game hasnt earned 82 perfects 10's for nothing? It is a masterpiece! If you think the 360 is that powerful then how come HALO 3 doesnt even look remotley close to Killzone 2? And HALO is Microsofts Cash Cow!

The 360 is a good system that has served it's purpose to hold us gamers through until the King Returned. PS3 is King and it has returned. Metal Gear Solid 4 is only a small example of what's to come, I promise you!

And now that Sony has added the Trophy system, In-Game XMB, & with a Movie Download Service, & Playstation home. It will ultimately take over the planet.......

Oh and as far as the wii is concerned, some things are only possible with Blue Tooth 2.0 if you know what I'm saying hehehehe....

Trade in that Piece of S&%@! 360 now and GO FIND YOURSELF a PS3 pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee. Game Stop & Game Crazy and now running promotions go get yourself a PS3! Why Wait?

The Karate Kid

I have to say, after playing MGS4 I thought "Finally, we're in the next generation of gaming!"

Barbara

@neo177117: I believe I heard Kojima say on multiple occasions that MGS4 was impossible on the 360 (for a number of fairly weak reasons). I'm a bit too lazy to dig it up though. :)

Whether they CHOOSE or WANT to release it on 360 is another matter. I don't see any reason why they shouldn't, but then again, I'm not Konami and it's their choice. To say that it's physically impossible is pretty ridiculous, though.

Infil

@The Karate Kid: Are you still bitter that those Kobra kai meanies played thoses jokes on you?

+ Watch video

Gunloc

Still don't see any game touching MGS4 for a while, maybe LBP but thats it really.

katboi

@The Karate Kid:

Woah, rocking that fanboyism hard I see.

Metal Gear solid is incredible but I seriously doubt it couldn't be done on the 360, Xbox gamers would just have to put up with a ridiculous amount of disks and a slight frame rate drop.

Iceking5

Wait... Are these the titles that will be running at 1080p and 120fps like they promised some time ago?! Geesh... Get a grip! Stop overpromising and start delivering!

henri1kk

Uhoh. I think he's got the Krazy Ken virus.

"All the games we had up until now were FAKE generation! That's right, you've been playing fake games up until now. Look at your PS3, it's actually made of cardboard. See? The sides come right off. They taste like strawberry too. The REAL games are yet to come. On super-high-def holographic Blu-Green-Heliotrope-Ray!"

Next thing you know he'll be comparing PS Home to hanging out at the virtual inter-supermall in five dimensions, streaming extra-high-definition better-than-movie visuals straight into your eyeballs with the Playstation Third Eye (attaches to your forehead and stimulates your visual cortex) that'll be out next summer (as of 2047) and will cost $250(000).

Retropants regrets nothing

thing is... even if the ps3 stopped the world from blowing up.. and it was all over news headlines, people would still bash it.. :P

Solidsky

The Karate Kid is obviously baiting you all into hating him. It's either that or he's 12 years old.

Sollus

@VishusBurn: "Were" = Where

@mitch079: 4 real

VishusBurn

@PITwelve:

And if you do have a 360, why in the world did you buy that PS3?!

Here is a hard one ... he may be a gamer?

EnigmaNemesis

Ridge Racer. Riiiiidge Racer!!

NorthernAvengeR

@The Karate Kid: Who cares how Killzone2 looks, if it plays as poorly as its predecessor then no one will care, Halo3 on the other hand is a very solid shooter.
MGS4 is good on its own merits Im sure, but again, this game could easily be ported to the 360. 2,3, discs, I dont care.
If your so interested in trophies, then why didnt you get a 360 in the first place? And if you do have a 360, why in the world did you buy that PS3?!

PITwelve

It's people like Karate Kid who are an embarrassment to the video game community.

mitch079

Its amazing I'm getting sick of these fanboy rants. Kaz makes a serious dumb comment and it stirs the hornets nest. I've been gaming my whole life even had some token jobs in the industry. I'm not some kinda tard who gets his kicks from chicks with cat ears and oversized boobs nor am I someone who think we need 501 FPS's. Gamers used to have debates about the better console but never the complete and absolute hate that exists today. We wanted to own them all but mostly differed to the release schedule and priority of games we liked in order to determine how and if that was going to happen. In this communication age bad habits are running rabid while good ones are being interred with peoples bones. If people would stop being such flagrant brand hookers and start worrying about quality games maybe, then maybe people will start making quality games. Maybe thats what Kaz ia talking about maybe that what his true generation is. Sony actually giving a crap about making games for their system again. Nintendo's new generation was obviously all about selling us the same old crap with a shiny new wrapper. MS just really could really care less about anything as long as we buy it attached to 12 other products. Gamers should be pissed right now at all of these so called video game companies but instead spend their time giving each other grief over brand preferrence. For example why can't anyone make a FPS that has a built in online war like chromehounds? Why can't we be upset about that or that they have no idea what I am talking about? Ok i'm done.

L337fool

@henri1kk:
Well, I own a PS3, but I must admit you can't stand on its controller like the Wii.

hewkii9

@The Karate Kid:
I don't really care if MGS4 can or can't be done on the 360. I just care that they don't do it, because I bought the system to play games, not to watch interactive movies. If that's "True Gen," count me out.

notoriousEIC

@The Karate Kid:
Speaking as a person who prefers Sony myself; I must say, STFU.
Your statements have no validity and even if you were correct; you're just being a dick. So STFU or GTFO.

Were is witz when you need him? Oh yeah ;)

VishusBurn

@PITwelve: DOH! that was meant for @The Karate Kid:

PITwelve

@henri1kk:
look the game can be done on the 360. Im sorry but the graphics on MGS4 are not mind blowing, maybe in the realm of PS3 games they are pretty damn good, but to say this game couldnt be done on the 360 is a huge misconception. Give me multiple discs, I dont care, sheesh. . .

PITwelve

Wow.. so many Suxbox and Wii fanboys on this site.

So, so many...

Volgin

Psh...
A YEAR LATER ?

Excuse me, but i'mma stick with my trusty PC.
Pumping out TRUE GEN by the month.

pulyx

Anything can be done on any system, it's all a matter of compromise. For instance a game of Wolfenstein's scope and performace wasn't seen as technically feasible for the systems of the time, until Carmack limited the rooms to have the same height.

Likewise people were naysaying Doom 3 being possible on the Xbox1, which it clearly ran on.

Whether MGS4 is possible on the 360 is not a question. Would it be incredibly inferior? Probably not. Would MGS4 be exactly the same? Probably not.

Hell, they put Assassin's Creed on a DS. It's not the same game, but it is still.

First thing would be using a lossy compression on the audio instead of the lossless compression they use, maybe even cutting out some of the extra audio, like all those MP3s for the ipod.

Second would be each act and MGO on separate disks.

I'm sure there are a lot of other things to work out, but those are the two most obvious. Performance-wise? Who knows?

Of course, it's all irrelevant; MGS4 going to 360 is as likely as Halo 3 going to PS3.

cowondinosaur

@Kiriphii: I can't say I feel offended by that. Rather, Kaz is a lying bastard that has managed to brainwash a huge portion of the gameplaying demographic into believing that the PS3 is a lot more powerful than it really is. I'm more annoyed with him because of this, as we put countless extra hours into producing a PS3 version of the game that looks nearly as good as the 360 version, than get called lazy because it doesn't look better than the 360 version (since that's what all the fanboys have been brainwashed into believing should be the case).

Cloral

@Solidsky: You mean just like Too Human? [kotaku.com]

Gunloc

A MGS4 port to the 360 would probably be possible, but besides the multiple disc thing, which I honestly wouldn't mind seeing as the game is split into acts, all 360s are not fitted with harddrives.
I don't know but I kinda liked the really short "zoning" times and I'm not sure that would be possible without the installs. Not exactly a game breaking issue though.
But if I had the choice between getting it for the PS3 or the 360 I'd still get it for the PS3 for those reasons.

I feel some of the commenters on the "not much to play" point, I actually got my PS3 because I thought most RPGs would be made PS3 exclusive following in the footsteps of the PS2. But now it seems the 360 is picking up exclusives to the left and right leaving my black box playing only MGS4 for some time to come.

I'll probably get SC4 for it as it's got Darth Vader...

Ow! why'd you slice off my hand?
It's imperative that you understand!

hobbock

@L337fool: Oh, dude, are you kidding? The turf wars between Genesis and SNES fans were ruthless.

housewarmer

@L337fool: I also wonder why more games don't have an ongoing war. It's a much bigger idea than clans and makes having a clan alot more meaningfull.

I miss the old days when I had a PC and Snes. My best friend back then liked Sega, so I went over and enjoyed it at his house. That way I didn't have to own ever system know to man. Maybe people today don't share like they used to. I know my roomate told me he had to buy his own controler if he was going to play his friends PS3 with him! Times change... But one things the same The Karate Kid stills sucks after the 2nd movie.;)

Gunloc

@EnigmaNemesis:

Just referring to that sentence ... after reading some of his (Karate Kid) comments ... *steps away slowly*

EnigmaNemesis

Holy fucking shit.

You people need to learn to filter out complete fucking idots instead of 'firing back.' If you feel the need, just point and laugh and move on.

muu

@cowondinosaur: Don't forget that MGS2 had an Xbox release! I don't think Konami is that committed to the Playstation format. Halo is a property wholly owned by Microsoft, so that's firmly planted on Xbox and Games for Windows.

Infil

So what exactly did Blu Ray do for MGS4 besides allowing for extensive cut-scenes and multiple language tracks?

DARTH_TIGRIS

Riiiight... so the PS3 games up till now haven't been as good as they could be, because the game developers were confused that they were writing games for a broad media device rather than a focussed game console. Okay then.

Sathias

Yikes! What's everyone so worked up about?

Use whatever silly buzzwords you want Hirai, as long as the games keep coming.

Wolfers

Of course they can position the PS3 has a gaming console NOW. They already used the PS3 to win the video format war against HD DVD, and it's time to pretend that they cared about gamers so they say the PS3 is a game machine. Of course, I don't bite it. They didn't care about gamers during the first year and half, I don't care about them. They used PS3 to win bluray hence their priorities are in the home video format and not game division

mcool93

Seriously? I thought Sony learned their lesson from hyping the PS3 arrogantly like that.

fenderfuel08

@cowondinosaur: Actually the Halo franchise is owned by MS while MGS is a Konami franchise.

Be nice to the people hoping for a MGS4 port!

hobbock

@xCruciaLx: 5-6 - Dual-Layered DVD Disc

Well, if we cut out the hour long cut scenes and the 23 minutes you spend before you can even kill someone, and some more of the overly long cut scenes, I think MS could get it down to 1-2 disks. *rimshot*

Salen

Because this whole time, PS3 fans have been playing some sort of fake, nega-generation games that have only been figments of their collective imagination...

UnnDunn

"If I was going to do a game on Wii or Xbox 360, I would do a completely different game - not Metal Gear Solid" said Kojima."

Or this

You know, I bet Konami is getting really tired of quashing Metal Gear Solid 4 rumors at this point. The PR team would probably throw a gala event if the game were ever announced for the 360, simply to celebrate the fact that everybody would finally be shutting up about. Konami PR's Michael Shelling, who I am sure would look amazing in a tailored tux, responded to our own inquiries with the following:

For the record, Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots is a PlayStation 3 exclusive and there are no plans to develop an Xbox 360 version of the game.
No plans to develop an Xbox 360 version neatly dispells XboxFamily's source's claim that the game has been in development since early last year. Cue the classic game show failure music in 3...2...Wahh wahhh wahhh wahhhhhhhh.

Or this

According to Kojima himself, the team needed to make some cuts just to fit the game onto a Blu-Ray disc, which can hold up to 50 gigabytes of data. Now, if they had to work to cram MGS4 onto Blu-Ray, can you imagine what they'd need to do with a 360 version? It'd have to be distributed amongst 5 or 6 dual-layer DVDs! Now, if you combine this with the head man's ceaseless insistence that MGS4 isn't going anywhere besides the PS3, you get irrefutable proof: MGS4 is a PS3 exclusive, and will remain a PS3 exclusive. So get over it, 360 owners.

Heywoodjabloume

@The Karate Kid: OMG I am a total fanboy and must share this fact with everyone OMG OMG OMG!!

Does Not Equal

MGS4

PS3:

1 - Blu-Ray Disc
1 - Single Disc Case
1 - Manual
SRP: $60

360:
5-6 - Dual-Layered DVD Disc
3-4 - Double Disc Case
1 - Manual
SRP: $50

I guess that's a nuff' said.

xCruciaLx

@The Karate Kid: Go back to N4G you deluded twat.

Grave of the Fireflies

New buzz word ahoy! Move over next generation - we're aiming for true generation now, and I happen to know that whatever my title is is definitely true-er than your title. How do you know you're playing in true gen? It's just a feeling man, when you're true gen, you know it.

(Also whatever it is the Wii can't do it.)

iLov3

Ugh, too bad they didn't plan to market if first and foremost as a gaming system back when they were designing the thing.

fearing

Why do people always have to insist everything is fine.

Philudo

regardless of the amount of time on cutscenes, if you have played this game on 1080p, then you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is the best looking game on any console ever, period. So everyone just relax and enjoy the fact that we are getting some of the best gameplay and visuals from all three current systems. I love all my systems and games that I have for them, after all, I am a GAMEWHORE.

GameWhores FTW

schizorogue

Are we still in the launch phase of the PS3? How many years is the launch phase supposed to last?

dd-toronto

Oh oh.

Kaz is entering his manic phase again!

mcderek3000

Oh oh.

Kaz is entering his manic phrase again!

mcderek3000

True Generation LOL. Marketing in either Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo are all great for laughs. I could imagine the board meeting. Boss: "Well what do we have?" Lackey "Well it's better. It takes 6 gig of hard disk space doesn't look better than PC or 360 but is true generation game." Boss "So what makes it true generation game?" Lackey "Oh, has snake." Boss "Agreed True generation game." Boss "So could it be done on 360?" Employee "Not without stuffing all discs on hard disk". Boss: "So if we removed one hour and a half of video would it fit on 360." Lackey: "Yes" Boss: "Get me non-true generational copy".

scotty999

@Llost: Hm, Karate Kid stole the show there, but you should know that every cutscene in MGS4 with the exception of two are rendered real-time by the game engine and not CGI. Yes, even the installation screens w/ Snake lighting up a few.

Datheron

Can't see the face of that guy...looks like a real jurk. Profit Profit Profit..without making something smart.

Btw, ill just buy a PS3 when it will be more console than media center. Ah, and when i wont need to install games... to install games, its already enough a pc, thanks.

bubble-bee

What a load of marketing bullshit. So does this mean Sony has given permission for the next generation to start now? Also will all these "true generation" games be in True HD (i.e. the 1080p they promised)? Or will they all be in 720p (or lower with upscaling)? I hate arrogant executive bullshit.

photoboy

Ugh, a bunch of ranting. This true generation stuff seems to be pretty self-explanatory. Think of the transition from PS1 to PS2. Early PS2 games mostly looked much better than PS1, but they were basically just graphical upgrades rather than upgrades in all other aspects. The PS3 has had a few true gen games, but many of the games have been just shiny updates to old games and some have been flatout broken. It takes until the second generation of games for a system to get the truly good ones and it took a little longer than expected for Sony to get a decent volume of these games.

Sort of like how the 360 went basically from DOA4 to Gears of War, the span of almost a year, with only two standout titles, Oblivion and Dead Rising. There were other decent games in there, probably, but those were the only true generation games in that period.

kingofallcosmos

Love it or hate it, you got to admit this competition does great things for gaming in general.

Scuba Steve

Gotta love Sony making up all those fancy terms ever since the PS1 but most notably on PS2 (emotion engine), PS3 (true HD and now True Gen), lol... And people still keep falling for those... Meh.

Al3xandr0s

10 Xbox guys fanboy their way through the PS3. 1 PS3 guy outfanboys them. 10 retaliate.

We should start a Kotaku soap.

everybest

Oh good lord. I hope the SDF doesn't notice this article. If not then it'll be True Generation all over the place now.

Note Sony - PS3 owners don't need another buzz word. They need you to actually deliver these SDK's to devs so that they can actually make their games do what you say they'll do.

Rask

Riiiiiiidge Racerrrrrr!

They all do this. Remember the PS2 jaggie fiasco? Launch games are weak because every dev is a noob for a while until they get the hang of the new platform.

IMO PS3 still has a way to go before it hits its stride, and that's not to come down on the current library at all either. Just look at the most recent PS2 games and picture where the PS3 will be in 8-10 years.

From Kessen to God of War
From Fantavision to Katamari
From Midnight Club to GT4
From The Getaway to Odin Sphere or Okami
...
So now it's more like
From Burnout Paradise to ...
From GTA4 to...
From MGS4 to...

If everything doesn't turn into ad-infested DRM timebombs, then it's a good time to be a gamer!

fuchikoma

Oh So NOW it's a game system! I wondered what those things with the buttons were for.

I don't get this whole Sony bending it's customer base over thing. In the last few months they've been like, "Silly consumers and game designers, the PS3 and PSP are for GAMES! Ha ha ha! You were just confused, but it's ok! Now the Next Generation of gaming has started, and you can join in with us!"

Human Bomb

@fuchikoma: How about from SSX to SSX 4 (on tour). not a whole lot of difference there & more than 5 years of PS2 dev experience in between.

string_theory

Some1 should really give Sony a copy of "The boy who cried wolf."

Their chest beating should have ended long ago & they should be focusing on fun games instead of technical achievement. The PC has already more than quadrupled the PS3s highest possible rendering ability. & thats even assuming the PS3 was able to utilize 100% parallel computing which is impossible according to Ahmdal's law. Realistically PCs are about 10x more powerful right now than the PS3 will ever accomplish.

So focus on fun Sony & shut it w/ the pissing contest, it's not impressing or fooling anyone. Blu-ray doesnt matter because your console only has 512MB of split memory. No matter how many GB the disc holds the system cant deal w/ more than 512MB between loading screens. streaming doesnt matter because to add something you always have to subtract something else.

string_theory

Did he just blame developers for the PS3's slow start?

Kaz can be such a prick, but I can't help but love him for the silly things he says.

Chilibob

Apparently the PS3 already has True Generation titles at least in the displaying at native ( not up-scaled ) 1080p resolution department.
According to this site
[www.makeyougohmm.com]
the PS3 has 26 native 1080p titles
While the Xbox 360
[www.makeyougohmm.com]
has a whopping 3, at least back in January 2008.

Can anyone hazard a guess why?

On another note, DO NOT bad mouth the authors of biased headlines because they will remove your commenting capabilities. Why else do you think I'm on CartBlanche No. 2? Free Speech my asp!

CartBlanche2

MGS4 is the new benchmark for PS3 games. Now devs know what they have to aim for if they want to survive in the industry

InfiniteZr0

Blizzard Goes Console is the only definition of any "next gen" for me.

Aeryss

Maybe they shouldn't have cancelled every decent looking game they had in development, if they even were being developed in the first place. Or they could actually hire one of their second parties to make something.

Elwood2112

What's a true generation?
Wikipedia is useless!
[en.wikipedia.org]

presidentrich