@IvoryMelotron: That probably explains it. I don't think there is much to hate about the game really. Just wish the cutscenes... got cut...

denebola

What i find is everones bigest problem with this game is that is on PS3, all of my friends that loved the series played all the other ones suddenly hate Metal Gear. Ofcourse these are the friends that don't own PS3's. Hmmmm
there just may be a corelation

IvoryMelotron

@wild homes has particularly attractive fries today: i have faith in MGS4. i was on line at launch and almost half the people on the line hadnt even played the first 3. MGS4 is pushing the action to the forefront, which is well illustrated in television commercials. so if this ideology of making people understand that there is more than one way to skin a cat in MGS4... then it should be in god shape.

zanzibarlegend

@OT79: You're right, and I wouldn't mean to assert Konami will lose any money on this, because they certainly won't (see right here for what I mean) but companies don't usually make a product just to break even-- that's usually the bare MINIMUM (to be guaranteed at worst a zero return on your investment) to consider greenlighting a project. Either way, I have to expect they really don't want to see the other territories' charts come in reading an 80+% sales decline week-over-week.

wild homes has particularly attractive fries today

sorry about the double post

thefragilenin

@vanderblade: I'm not hating on the game at all. I was one of the people at the midnight launch at my gamestop. I love the game and I'm enjoying MGO right now, going to do another run of the single player soon

thefragilenin

@vanderblade: I'm not hating on it at all. I was one of the people that got it at midnight launch. I looooooovvvvvveeeee the game. Taking a break and enjoying MGO before I go back for another run on the single player

thefragilenin

@zanzibarlegend: I don't know if I agree. I mean, I want that to be true, because Kojima's men are certainly very, very talented and I think MGS is really cool, but I don't expect to see this blow up later on down the line if it doesn't right now-- as many reviews have said, MGS4 is really going to appeal mostly to the established crowd-- and if Snake Eater didn't top 4,000,000 units on an install base of 100,000,000 consoles, I just don't see a lot of people picking up this game unless they've already invested in the series. But we'll see.

@Voteforme2020: You could certainly be right about that-- it would've been a really smart bet on Kojima's part to hedge the development costs. I don't think the game is going to lose money for Konami by any stretch of the imagination (3,000,000 x $60= $180,000,000 revenue right there, even though that's not net profit) but compared to something like GTAIV this isn't making the same kind of a money. Cheers!

wild homes has particularly attractive fries today

why are people saying this is pathetic and low? GTA4 was across two systems and did twice the shipment and moved 6 mil just after its first week. This game ships 3 mil after its 2nd week of release and is selling well and it is only on one system. WTF do you people expect? It isn't a miracle title but deserves way more respect than what some are giving it. If Sony gets even close to the sales of the ps3 version of GTA4 then it is a win for Kojima and Sony. Sure people will argue it woulda done twice as well if it was on 360 as well but it isn't and won't/can't be so get over it and give respect where it is deserved.

lilaliendog

@Antiterra: I wonder if a special edition will be released or if they'll just sell extras through the MGO shop.

Kanik

@Voteforme2020:
There was advertisement in MGS3 well. Remember the tasteful Calorie Mate advertising? Imo a good example of fitting and functional game advertising.

Hassun

@jfx316: It's good considering that the last one only did 4 million in all. Only to be out two weeks means that this will quite easily surpas MGS3 and perhaps over its lifetime pass the original. Lets not forget MGO is still to be released later this year, and it uses alot of the same resources as MGS. So their combined sales could be impressive indeed.

MGS is not a "kill everything that moves testicle-fest" so it doesn't have the bash you across the head appeal that Gears and Halo have, it never has. So for a stealth title that only appeals to a certain type of gamer, its pretty good, and Konami probably isn't too worried about recouping costs at this point. Remember a rep once said they had to sell a million day one to break even... so even if they needed to sell 2m to do that, they seem to be in money making mode at this point, and not having to worry about recouping cost.

bobeotm

@futurebiblehero: the backlash will never end my friend. its the price a game pays for getting praise, despite not even being whored out or hyped like some other games i wont mention on here.

zanzibarlegend

@wild homes has particularly attractive fries today: Well,Konami says many times that they have to sold at least 1 million of copies to recover their investments,MGS4 is about 2 million according to some sites at this week (the second) from the release date,I expect to sell some kind of 4 to 5 millions of copies,a little more than MGS3,if this happens then Konami and Sony will be happy at all.

OT79

@wild homes has particularly attractive fries today: I think this is why there's so much advertisement in the game. Just my conjecture.

Voteforme2020

The backlash is already in full force, but I continue to unabashedly love it. Best game I've played since Half-Life 2.

futurebiblehero

@fenderfuel08: Curious, I truly am: what is cost of 40g xbox with wireless running? If you factor in all the addons required to get it operational, is the xbox that much cheaper?

Punkateer

Why is the Kojima picture I always see the mug-shot of him in front of Microsoft screens? It's funny, s'all.

budash2

@jfx316: i think you were staring too hard at the pic on this post.... I KID I KID!!! {^_^}

zanzibarlegend

@eunoia: what is? the numbers? or your ass-clownish post?

@wild homes has particularly attractive fries today: i think the numbers will dip for a bit,realistically... but then expect them t go back up after sony lines up the other heavy hitters. for a game that is supposed to be a niche type of game it is selling well. so you know throughout the year and especially holidays, any future PS3 buyer with a pulse will def pick this game up. once the install base increases here with more support from more games, it will be only sensical to throw this game into your library

zanzibarlegend

Well thats good that its doing so well considering how small the PS3's userbase is.

Hopefully it sells well enough to make up for its costs.

fenderfuel08

It's definitely a really large percentage of the install base, but if this game cost as much as the press speculates it did, Konami really have to be hoping the sales don't drop off in the rest of the world as they did in Japan. To drop about 84% in your second week really isn't going to make this the hit Sony must've been hoping for.

wild homes has particularly attractive fries today

@thefragilenin:

MGS - over 6 million sold
MGS 2 - over 7 million sold
MGS 3 - almost 4 million sold

MGS 4 - ?

Yeah, I see your point. But it's cool to hate on the games now, I guess.

vanderblade

that's kinda pathetic...

eunoia

All I want to know is: when do we get the Subserendipitenstance edition, and will it feature an Akiba/Mei-Ling Ass-Grabbing minigame, where you play as Meryl with a nutcracker as your only weapon?

Antiterra

grats to MGS4, people have to give it some credit...but the way things are there are more people bashing it by the minute

Solidsky

I see what you did with that piciture, McWhertor...

Shiryu

Bah, how many sold? No one knows yet? That means either it's doing way better than PS3 haters will like to admit, or it's doing way worse... but from what I read, since this is a PS3 hater site, I'll go for selling better.

fraggenstein

@jfx316: I'm assuming joke, if so nice

I'm not surprised, I mean it's MGS, of course it's going to ship a lot and end up selling a lot too

thefragilenin

Even if it's only shipped copies, it's an excellent result.
Retailers wouldn't order the games if they didn't think they could sell them, so unless Konami is giving them away, I reckon 3 mil. is a pretty meaningful number.
That's between 1/4 and 1/5 of the installed userbase, when you think about it.

Antiterra

@bobeotm: I think that's a tough call, honestly. The same week MGS4 came out, Walmart had that deal where you could get a hundred dollar gift card just for buying a PS3 (or any Blu-Ray player, actually).

They happened to pick the one week when PS3 was already going to do gangbuster sales to pay consumers to buy it. Genius!

That said... I'm eager to see what the monthly sales numbers end up looking like!

BtownDesignGuy

For some reason, I don't expect "units of Metal Gear Solid shipped" to mean the same thing as "Wii units shipped."

However, once I sell some stuff on eBay, take a second look at the financials, it is my full intent to put one of those three million shipped units in my home.

BtownDesignGuy

"only" 3 million? MGS4 to 360 for sure.....

jfx316

only the PS3 and some awesome computers is powerful enough for that game

xpoomasterx

Exclusive is alive!. Kudos to Kojima-san, it was expected to move monster numbers and it has.

PsycheE

It's not difficult to assume that most of that is sold through. I mean, there are at least a million ps3 owners in america alone that bought the system for that game.

bobeotm

I need me one of them fancy silk shirts... But in this area practically everyone I know who owns the PS3 (And seeing customers come in) are basically playing/buying MGS4.

Kaizuden

One has to admit that's pretty good for a console exclusive that is only now starting to show its muscle.

I'll grab one, along with a copy of the game, when my bank account doesn't look like a deflated party balloon, a toddler's teary-eyed face blurred in the background.

vanderblade

@AFreak3000: @zanzibarlegend: Perhaps you're right-- I'm a bit skeptical that this game, that references so frequently back to the convoluted story of the first three, will (overall) bring in that many new fans to the franchise, but I'm going to hope it happens. It's definitely a good game.

wild homes has particularly attractive fries today

@eunoia: You're kinda pathetic.

AFreak3000

@zanzibarlegend: Yeah, that's pretty much for every video game these days that actually does well.

Thorax

@kumuasata: Well, a high percentage of the people who bought a 360 bought it at launch knowing Halo 3 was coming. Besides, the 360 has a very specific type of gamer as the majority of its base, so as long as you make a game for them, most of them are bound to buy it. Look at gears, and many other games of the genre.

bobeotm

One thing that should be considered about how well this game is doing is that this game shipped 3 million with the PS3 having only a 13m install base. Consider the fact that the last one sold only 4 million with an install base of over 80million.

bobeotm

@lilaliendog:

Umm remember Halo 3. I it passed 9 million on 1 console only. Good Game.

kumuasata

have to say i've never been a big fan of mgs....slept through most of mgs2 didnt mind mgs3 and i got mgs4 for free played it, finished it, loved it...best game ever

invictus2006

Kotaku: "This just in...MGS4 sold 10 million copies!"

Kotaku Poster: "What? That's all? PS3 is the FAIL."

sascha23

@fenderfuel08: Well, if you take into account that 1 million copies sold already got them back in the green, you can bet they're loving the fact that they're reeling in pure profit.

In other words: Yes, they've made their money back.

sascha23

@Hassun: True, but it was almost insane the number of adds in this game. I have to believe that this and the untold amount of money Sony paid them for "development costs" is the reason they could keep a huge exclusive to a console with the lowest install base.

I love the advertisement in the game though. I think Kojima uses this evil to best he possible can. He's intelligent enough to say "okay, I understand I need it, but how do we do it right?"

@kumuasata: A fast paced, FPS game with a larger install base is outselling a slower paced, stealth game with a smaller install base? A little context is all I'm asking for here. When adjusted, I think MGS is doing fine for a game with a "niche" audience.

Voteforme2020

The game do not have even a month and there is already 3 millions copies out ^^.

Kurow

still not as good as halo 3 sales, but ill pick this game up along with ps3, besides i need a blu-ray player

airmaster360

I thought you can skip the cut scenes, why are there so many complaints about it... just skip it if you don't want to watch it.

ejw1224

MGS4 = Pure win

Volgin

not be a party breaker, but at my best buy, we still have a LOT of copies in backstore.

mcool93

You know, perhaps he could of avoided the MGS4 on 360 rumors if he avoided getting his picture taken right next to the logo.

Flakor

why is there an xbox logo behind him?

jpneiswi

Stupid comment but...

A game i would definitely buy:

LEGO MGS

XD

dynosaulo

@bobeotm:
Yea, but you should also consider that many people who bought the PS3 did it (also) because they knew MGS4 would come. Actually MGS4 and FFXIII. So of course many people who have a PS3 bought the game. Probably around half of them (if you consider just the ones that bought it specifically to play videogames, not to play blu-ray movies).

Anyway
MGS4 is a freaking good game. One of the best ones around. But i don't know why i have more fun playing GTA IV... Maybe it's the cutscenes... i don't know...

dynosaulo

I can't wait for the *****tence version.

It might probably have a full MGO and some mini game.

@jpneiswi:

@budash2:

Because Kotaku <3 MS/360.

xCruciaLx

@bobeotm:

MGS is not a "kill everything that moves testicle-fest" so it doesn't have the bash you across the head appeal that Gears and Halo have, it never has. So for a stealth title that only appeals to a certain type of gamer, its pretty good,

Have you actually played MGS4? You bet your ass it's a kill everything that moves game, which after MGS3, I welcome whole-heartedly. Kojima realized that hours of codec converstations are not best mated by hours of hiding in the jungle with the dual-shock on the coffee table, waiting for the AI to fall asleep again.

Unfortunately, most (% time) of the experience "playing" MGS4 is with the controller sitting on the coffee table. So Kojima honed the interactive parts of the game (making them very un-MGS-like), and then went apeshit on the cinemas (which is MGS-in-spades).

I really don't know how to feel about MGS4. Reading these posts, I'm not sure half of the "fans" of the game have even played it.

Snokie

@Shiryu:

He didn't do anything with that picture, that's a legit pic, but if I'm not mistaken, Microsoft guys kinda moved him there, as opposed to their more desperate 'B' plan of moving the display over to him.

fraggenstein

lol the background

FryDay

meh, MGS4 - definitely not going to make me buy a PS3.

ninja_warrior