No matter what he says, you can't keep selling the same game over and over for each generation. How many Mario games are there sure they are slightly different but its pretty much the same game. Stupid girl gets caught by turtle must kill turtle you win. Nintendo before you start beating companies down with your high and mighty Wii mote you need to rethink why you are that awesome company you are today. If Sega didn't push you to make the same game and have awesome marketing, you would be in Sega's shoes The Dreamcast is to this day better then the Gamecube and it came out first. Sega only lost because they didn't market well and people burned all their games.

Allcars

@ObZen:

LMAO, Nintendo should just buy out all of SEGA's key franchies and make 'em quality like they're used to. I swear, playing as Sonic in SSBB was the best he's played on a console period.

Karisu-Zero

And that's why I haven't bought a Nintendo-made game in at least 5-6 years. Last ones I bought were around the same time. One was a Zelda title and the other a Metroid game both on GBA. I haven't bought a Nintendo home console since the NES, though my wife still owns an SNES from way back before we met. Too much goddamned Mario. The brand has become so oversaturated with Mario that I just can't stomach that shit anymore.

Vipre77

Needs to look like Mario?

Not really much for thinkin' outside of the box in those terms, no?

Mesren_Makai

Ouch, and it was the seventeenth anniversary of Sonic yesterday too.

@Iberianpower: Responding in regard to what I could marginally decipher from your comment; you do know Mario and Sonic was supervised by Shigeru Miyamoto, right? And a crossover game doesn't exactly speak much of what Sega can do with their own franchises without the aid of outside assistance.

Whether Sega makes better games than Nintendo is a matter of opinion. The fact that Nintendo's games almost always sell better than most of Sega's games and are held in higher regard to quality overall, isn't.

Miyamoto isn't senile, he knows why Nintendo still exists today by being Nintendo, and why Sega is now only a shadow of their former selves by being Sega. I wouldn't want to mimic anything from them either.

KeroseneClimax

I think you people are reading too much into this. From the full context, it seems that Miyamoto's still of the mindset that Sega titles are "darker" or "edgier", for another demographic, and he doesn't go after that demo. I remember a previous quote of his concerning a game he was working on had cars with mounted guns, and he didn't dig the concept, so it was shelved.

Erinaceus

Miyamoto can be a dick sometimes.

NoBullet

Personally, I like to think that "Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games" was Sonic's idea. After it ran, Mario grabbed Sonic by the scruff of the neck and said, "Well-a done, Slothlike the Hedgehog. Do you-a REALLY want to be a star again or would-a you like-a the cyanide now?"

Sonic took offense of course, and the two got in a big fight, which led to both of them appearing in Super Smash Bros. Brawl.

CK20XX

Miyamoto tells it like it is. Good for him.

darthonyx

@ZeeBeeEss:

Read much? Obviously not because I don't want them to disappear, just move into the shadows a bit more. If you want to have a Mario and/or Sonic game thats fine, limit it to a couple games a generation, not 3-5 a year. I mean what we've had: SSBB, SMG, MK, Mario/Sonic at the Olympics, and probably a couple other Sonic/Mario games at least within a year or two that escape my memory.

Also please tell me how FF games are all the same. Just about every game has new characters and new features. Mario still has teh same bag of tricks he's had since the NES days.

Sparx

@wild homes:

If this is a double post, I apologize. Your post was quite pointless, because it really doesn't negate what Iberian said.

Whether Wii Fit sells millions (and Miyamoto bathes in liquid gold), that doesn't change the fact that Sega is doing a better job with traditional gaming than Nintendo. Especially the neglected traditional Japanese genre; Yakuza 3 speaks volumes.

N

SG79

As far as I'm concerned, that man can say and do whatever he wants.

@Sparx: You want Mario and Sonic to die off, yet you are re-buying the same (face it) Final Fantasy games over and over? PSP? Better games?

ZeeBeeEss

@Archaotic: Only with certain franchises, though. Sonic, Samba de Amigo, Super Monkey Ball... technically, traditional Sega games seem to fit Nintendo's consoles better. Then you have the other side of Sega, like Condemned 2 and Golden Axe: Beast Rider, that aren't suitable at all.

Still, I'd like to see Sega give Nintendo a gradual "fuck you" and start pulling their games a few at a time. Miyamoto may not speak for all of Nintendo, but enough to seriously wound some pride.

Does Not Equal

@nick.soapdish: That's exactly the way I saw it. Old Rivalries be damned..people should calm down and not take things out of context all the time. It seems there is too much "assumptions" being made here.

NeVeRMoRe666

As far as I'm concerned, Nintendo and Sega have mirrored each other with their games.

Sollus

Wow. What an asshole. Take a cheap shot at the people you already buried.

High class, Miyamoto.

FoxyGaz

So he knows, "just put Mario in it, and it will sell"...

EnigmaNemesis

This is why I'm slowly starting to move away from Nintendo. I don't think I'll ever buy another Nintendo console until Mario and Sonic both start to die off a little. The gameboy always served my needs travel wise but with the PSP getting better games and more FF stuff its really starting to look like it'll replace the DS and future gameboy generations for me. There's nothing wrong with sticking to your mascot but there has be a time when you say " enough is enough, lets pull back a little"

Ever since the PS1 its been my console of choice and its becoming clearer that it'll be nothing but Sony for me both in the home and away from it

Sparx

@nick.soapdish: That's exactly what he meant. It's about maintaining a vision and philosophy of game design, not knocking that of others.

thesycophant

@nick.soapdish:

Thank you.

SG79

As I remember, Shenmue didn't get kind words from him either circa 99.

I think people are looking into this too much. You can even twist the words, and say he doesn't want to take chances like Sega did in the DC era in particular. In reality, he likely just meant preserving that certain Nintendo quality/feel.

SG79

@Iberianpower: No offense, son, and I understand the 'hardcore' idea-- although not to the extent where it makes you delusional-- but Miyamoto doesn't give two fucking shits about if 'hardcores' like his games. He cares about sales. And if you haven't noticed, his games sell. And Sega's these days? Not as much.

wild homes

That's a cool shirt Miyamoto's rocking there.

Green-clad Gamer Dude

"robot girlfriends and indoor astronomy gizmos not included"

Am I sensing sarcasm? I love my Segatoys Homestar! Don't nobody be dissin' my Segatoys Homestar, 'kay?

Make of the robot girlfriends all you want, though.

Antiterra

OH NO HE D'INT!!!!
Sega should be happy though. At least he knows who Sega are, unlike Ratchet.

CHU BOI

Sega? Do they make PC games?

Struct09

@nick.soapdish: That's exactly the way I took it.

He's not bashing SEGA, he's just saying that Mario games should play like Mario games.

Silent Predator

First the 'duhh, what's a Ratchet and Clank?' and now this? Someone's gotten cocky!

Wolfers

Zing!

Aethyr

Well, sega's best days died with Dreamcast.

mcool93

Bad news for Nintendo.Having their star designer turn senile so young isnt a good thing.

So far Sega at least has had a successful game this gen as Mario and Sonic wich isnt worse that most of the lame Wii offerings.

And quality wise things like Condemned 2 ,Virtua Fighter 5 ,Virtua Tennis 3 ,Valkyrie of the Battlefield or Yazuka 3....I would say its making way better hardcore games that Nintendo.

Iberianpower

I think this is more of a distinguishing of brands and images than a slight at their QA work at SEGA. Keep your games consistent with a Nintendo look-and-feel, instead of mimicking what already exists. Separate yourself that way to establish the Nintendo Way™.

At least, that's how I read it.

nick.soapdish

less sega?? yeah they turned sonic into crap,but they got VF,and all nintendo does is do the same thing over again like with mario "please end" party

Umenokouji Aoi

He's not totally wrong. Sega....I mean, they've fallen so far with the quality of their franchises. 12 years ago I'd have called him totally insane. Hard to disagree now!

(I still love you Genesis)

Godzilla-Sushi

It's sad but true, and this is a Genesis fan talking.

Mikey G

Ahahah, sick burn..

<3 Miyamoto

Witless

ding ding ding....in this corner we have the Wii2 and in the other corner the dreamcast 2!!!!!!!!!

resetbutton

Damn thats a little fucked up. But to some extent i guess its true, the only decent thing to come out of them lately was the sonic rush series.

Neo-Senku

I know it's juvenile, but someone has to say it...

MIYAMOTOWNED

ObZen

@pandafresh: At this point, do you want Sega to revisit your favorite franchises? We all clamored for more NiGHTS for-fucking-ever, and you saw what happened to that. If I felt in any way, shape, or form that Sega could revisit those best-loved titles of the past without fucking them up something terrible-- and judging from earlier word about, and video of, the new Golden Axe, we absolutely cannot-- then I'd totally be for it. But right now, I'm cool with games like JSR, SC5, Panzer Dragoon (and Saga!), and Shenmue just waiting in the closet until someone knows how to treat them with respect.

wild homes

Haha... appears they still hold a cold shoulder to Sega, I don't blame them though, since when has an in-house Sega title been a AAA one?

Kaizuden

@Does Not Equal:
It'd be hilarious if that ended up being true, but Sega needs Nintendo way too badly these days to do that. =/

Archaotic

hey hey hey! Sega will come back with a vengeance! you watch, Shenmue 3 will blow us all way

right? they'll come back soon right??

pandafresh

Well, the winners write history and the victors claim the spoils, right? Miyamoto's earned his. And Sega... well, they'll always have pachinko, now.

wild homes

"In related news, Sega announced today that they will be releasing more games for Sony and Microsoft."

Does Not Equal

@Number41: Quite true, but we all know as a commenter it is more fun to jump on the flaming bandwagon that lacks any sense than to get the actual meaning of what he says you know.

Toasterface[zd]

@Umenokouji Aoi: It's as though he wasn't speaking facetiously at all!

Does Not Equal

This may be out of context, but it sure doesn't seem like it! I wonder how this will spin.

"In related news, Sega announced today that they will be releasing more games for Sony and Microsoft."

My thoughts exactly. =P

DigitalHero

@Number41: Yeah, that may very well be the case. I have never heard Miyamoto make deroggatory comments towards anyone or anything. It's not in his nature. He wouldn't even make fun of that fiasco known as the Mario Bros. movie. He compliments and/or gives constructive criticism. He doesn't insult.

Erinaceus

@blurayforever143:
virtua fighter 5 crappy?? ryu ga gotoku 3 crappy?? lolz

Umenokouji Aoi

Well.. can you blame him!? Nintendo games like Mario, Zelda and Metroid are still good cause they keep their "essence" since the NES days, the game is not the same, but you have the same feeling playing Galaxy that you had playing SMB3..
On the other hand.. just look at Sonic! SEGA changed it so much.. the newer games have nothing to do with the first ones.. :/

@Velops: The audience dislikes his new IPs? Have you seen the sales of Wiifit?

CockroachMan

Heh, because everyone knows how crappy Virtua Fighter 5 and Virtua Tennis 3 are, and Yakuza 3 will be horrible, and Condemned 1/2 are worse than Haze..

Miyamoto is so egotistical and delusional; perhaps their main franchises lack their former quality, but their smaller franchises and original games are solid: their hand held efforts are quite good. I'm looking forward to World Destruction, Phantasy Star Portable, and the PS3 strategy RPG.

blurayforever143

@MattB: "Pooey touch?" Really?

Does Not Equal

I'm gonna have to agree with some other commenters here that this quote is in no way intended to be derogatory towards Sega. What Miyamoto is saying is that he doesn't want his games to resemble games that other companies are making. He's just saying that he seeks originality.

The fact that he used Sega as an example could even be a compliment. Pointing out that he makes a conscious effort to differentiate his work from theirs makes it sound like he considers them a formidable rival.

Number41

This is just Miyamoto's way of saying "We already got Sonic in Smash Bros. Sega has nothing left to offer us. We can stop pretending to like them now."

What's Sega going to do about it? Refuse to put anymore of their crappy games on Wii? Wii has plenty of crappy games, it doesn't need Sega's.

mrplow8

@Struct09:

No they publish and turn good series to crap, like the Total War series.

Their pooey touch infects just about everything these days. Even VF5 was below standard(and about the only good game they have left)

arstal

Heh. I wish Nintendo games did look like Sega's Dreamcast era games. Might actually have a reason to dust of the Wii if that was the case.

MattB

Honestly after all the bitter console war years between SEGA and Nintendo, and the mascot war between Sonic and Mario, how could he not hate SEGA.

WPack911

It only seems like Miyamoto is only rehashing Mario games but that isn't true. The new IPs that he works on like Wii Fit don't have mascot characters. The closest thing to a new character he is responsible for are the Miis. The problem lies in the audience disliking all the new IPs he has created.

Velops

@Vipre77: I'm glad I'm not the only one who's sick of Mario. There are exactly two Mario games I enjoy, and those rarely: Donkey Kong (Jumpman, baby) and Mario Brothers (not to be confused with its Super sequel), both coin-op. I understand that Mario made Nintendo and has helped usher in mainstream gaming, but enough already.

Does Not Equal

@MattB: Oh, crap. Hit the wrong little grey arrow icon. Sorry about that, m'man. Consider me properly embarrassed.

Does Not Equal

"I'm always instructing my game designers on the history of the characters and worlds we've created. Often we're in development and I'll say, 'Oh, this looks like a Sega game. We need to make it look more like Mario"

So that's why SEGA developed FZero(DX) for the GC...
Your game designers were making FZero looking like Mario Kart.

MadSystem

@SG79:

I don't see how releasing crappy games over and over again counts as "doing a better job with traditional gaming".

NeoAkira

Yes. Maybe Sega should stop making games that look like Sega too.

Krytha

It would be nice if Miyamoto would not focus on slamming mediocre Sega titles and tried to get OTHER third parties to improve their development processes for his console.

ScottG13

Man, even after working on Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games, he takes a swing. Douche.

ViewtifulJason

@Allosteric: What's wrong with Zebrahead? I liked "His World". I think the music was about the only thing decent in Sonic 2006.

Erinaceus

Guys, I think what he means is that Nintendo doesn't lose sight of the core ideals that have been present in each iteration of their franchises, and that's what makes the games so consistently special. For example, the original Super Mario Bros. was about imaginative fantasy worlds, challenges of timing and reflex, and finding new ways to surprise the player. 22 years later in Super Mario Galaxy, the settings may have become even more elaborate and visionary and Mario has new techniques, but it's still about imaginative fantasy worlds, challenges of timing and reflex, and constant surprises. In comparison, the original Sonic the Hedgehog was about lighthearted fantasy worlds (like Mario), a sense of momentum, and synchronizing music with gameplay. Flash forward to two years ago, and we got pretentions of epicness and "gritty realism" with Zebrahead.

If Sega were to try to make a Mario game, it'd have all the surface stuff - turtles, mushrooms, jumping - but it wouldn't have the feel of a Mario game. Composers would be sent in a room and just told to "make something that sounds like Mario," rather than be shown builds of actual levels and concept art, and the results would sound bouncily twangy and aggravating, rather than exciting and inspiring. You might have numerous worlds - sky world, lava world, desert world - but you'd do the same thing in each one, rather than incorporating the setting into the gameplay itself (i.e., riding on desert tornadoes, or dodging sudden lava bursts, to name some basic examples). It's hard to explain, and I don't think I even fully understand the difference myself, but a game has to be built from the mechanics up, rather than the appearance down.

Allosteric

@Umenokouji Aoi: I was being sarcastic, I LOVE VF5...love it...adore it. I love most all Sega games, can't wait to play the strategy RPG and Yakuza.

blurayforever143

@Does Not Equal: Responding to arstal I assume?

I have to agree though that Modern SEGA leaves much to be desired. If I had a one-use magic wand to wave that could restore one games company to their former glory I would use it on SEGA.

MattB

Miyamoto's quote was not about Sega.

thesycophant

The old school Sega fan in me wants to be angry about this, but it's so damn funny. Sega, you brought this on yourself.

NighTrekr

If you found out someone at GM told a car designer his design needed to look less like a Ford and more like a Chevy... no, wait, there's car fanboys would would freak out about that.

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

oh boy, miyamoto is cruel........ but honest. Genesis was the last hurrah for sega. DC never had a fucking chance.... a shame really.

zanzibarlegend

Cant blame him. Mario games rake in the cash, Sega rakes in the trash.

Altima NEO

Interesting. I would love to see more games like Mario from the era in which that rivalry took place. Too bad Nintendo hasn't come close in over a decade.

Demonbird

Ouch! way to rub salt in my sega fanboy wounds :( ! However, I guess he has a point with the current state of sonic :*( I need to go lay down.

Weasel3689

Sega had always struck me as lacking character. Sonic. Virtua Fighter. Sega Sports games. Eternal Champions.

ChiChi_BBQ

First of all, I want to say that this story brings me IMMENSE joy, to the point where I have cried. A grown man has cried, truly. Why have I cried? As a former hardcore fanboy of Nintendo during the 16-bit war, this is like the final 'cap' on the 16-bit war, with Nintendo coming out in top in a huge way.

I mean, Sega in it's current state can't do shit to deny these comments. I am so, so, happy. So as my final, truly final, comment on the war I want to say simply this: Fuck you Sega, fuck you. We won.

Now that the old skool fanboy in me is done, let's continue. ...

He is correct. The Sega of the past 10 years is a total JOKE compared to the Sega of the Genesis days.

And that has made me sad.

Instead of each new Sonic game being badly wanted, they are now treated with sheer hatred that yet another botched Sonic game will soon be released.

And to top it off, Sega has truly and fully

EPIC, EPIC, failed in two key places from my point of view being a 26 year veteran of gaming..

1: No true Phantasy Star sequel. We got this dumb shit online stuff that is fail compared to how great a correctly done RPG Phantasy Star 5 could and should have been.

2: The tragic failure to continue the much loved Streets of Rage series. People seem to forget that Streets 2 totally kicked the entire Final Fight series ass. Axel, Blaze, and the rest of them MUST return.

BONUS! Sega should be ashamed for not making more Shining Force games.

Vanguarde

As much as I love the fanboy bickering, the quote is clearly being misread.

If you read the Iwata Asks... interviews, you see this kind of thing come up a lot. How do you push a game from being a game to a "Nintendo" game? It's not that things aren't technically competent one way, but they might not retain the solid feel that Nintendo has branded itself with.

There was a great interview with the lead composer for Galaxy, who was trying to make Mario music using the instruments that Kondo had used and to try and basically imitate those feels. He showed Kondo, who basically told the composer, "You think Mario is cute." The composer asked Kondo what he thought Mario was, and Kondo said, "Mario is cool." When the composer showed three tracks to Miyamoto, with one done by Kondo, Miyamoto immediately (without prior knowledge) picked his track out as the one that sounded the best. (Good Egg Galaxy, if you're curious.)

Say what you will about him, but the man has a solid, strong vision for his franchises and if something doesn't feel right, he lets people know.

But it's also fun to think he's just slamming sega for the fun of it ;)

Huckleberry

@MadSystem: I laughed.

Virtua Fighter 5, Ghost Squad, Sonic Rush Series, Valkyria, Yakuza 3 are just a few good Sega titles of late. Although I thought the NiGHTS sequel was well done.

SuperSplashBro

@Vanguarde:
So much anger in your heart, you need a hug

"He is correct. The Sega of the past 10 years is a total JOKE compared to the Sega of the Genesis days"

Did he said that? Jesus i must improve my English, cause i didn't reed that.
Ok, I'm going back to my Wii Fit, cause Nintendo certainly knows how to make a good toy...heh i mean game.
(ok i admit i'm a SEGA FAN...boy)

MadSystem

It should be clear that Miyamoto didn't intend to make a dig at Sega but I feel like joining this meaningless pissing contest anyways.

It's clear that Sega has gone downhill and yeah, they've matched neither the sales nor the critical acclaim of Nintendo. Hell, this gen Nintendo has had two titles receive Game of the Year praise. When's the last time anyone considered a Sega title for such a thing?

I find it telling how FF fans associate "change" with only story and characters. Don't get me wrong, I like the series but each Final Fantasy game has 95% of the same gameplay as the previous game up until XI/XII and that change caused fans to only whine and yearn for the boring, random, turn-based battle system of old.

Yes, Nintendo reuses stories and characters constantly and they milk Mario too much. But gameplay-wise there are more differences between each primary Mario game or each Zelda or Metroid game than there are between the vast majority of sequels. Some of their games are basically complete overhauls and unlike most publishers, Nintendo's overhauls maintain quality (Metroid Prime, Super Mario 64, etc). There's certainly more change than between any Halo, or the past 4 GTA games, pretty much all fighting games, all sports games, any Capcom "sequel" etc etc... Hell, try to spot the differences between the plethora of first-person shooters that will undoubtedly be shown at E3 this year. Perhaps "hardcore game" is just a way of saying "lacks originality."

I wonder how many of the people whining about rehashes are going to get the next Street Fighter update or Madden Roster Update 2009?

DoomPlague

@DoomPlague: At the risk of derailing the thread, I would have to agree with you on the Final Fantasy series. I always liked the series for the story and art design, yet when I saw the whole real-time, Gambit, on-the-map-screen fighting of FF XII, I instantly fell in love. Here was a series reinventing and perfecting the genre (and not just the Japanese variant), yet fans worldwide were clamouring for the inferior system simply because it's what they are familiar with.

mcderek3000

i like miyamoto. he has the heart and soul of a troll.

maraxusofk

With the greatest possible respect to the man, he is speaking retrospectively about game design/gameplay rather than opposed to simply copying Sega's 90s "cool" factor. Those cretins here (you know who you are) who frequently condemn him on the grounds of being arrogant, yet have contributed nothing to the video games industry yourselves can kindly fuck off.

Seriously, what is this "Ratchet pretender" we hear so much about?
[en.wikipedia.org]

Sega's glory days ended with Genesis, and the rest is history Dreamcast fanboys.

However with that said, Miyamoto is in serious danger of letting Nintendo milk his beloved franchises to death. With the notable exception of Mario Galaxy, we can safely agree that neither Mario or Sonic are anywhere as popular, or groundbreaking, as they used to be (Sales figures of yesteryear back this statement up).

humongous_mouse

Miyamoto has lost a step honestly. I wasn't a big fan of Nintendogs or Wii Fit, and basically that reflects Miyamotos new design philosophy. 'Oh, I did this random thing in real life and found it slightly enjoyable, lets make a game out of it!'

jbiller

"We need to make it look more like Mario."

Read: "Not enough brightly-colored mushrooms."

That is all.

V1L3

As I dislike Miyamoto and his games, I really wanted to rage over this. But then I remembered that he is essentially right, nowadays Sega is nothing but a shadow of its former glory :(

Combichristoffersen

Names were taken, asses were kicked.

Shiryu

Fair enough. At least wouldn't be to the degree that Itagaki (Ninja Gaiden) would of been during production of Dead or Alive. "IT LOOKS LIKE TEKKEN! GRRRHGHGH GO KILL YOURSELF >:("

Mearns

@Vanguarde:

That's the saddest thing I've ever read. You cried because the corporation you purchased stuff from did better than the other corporation? Might be time to step outside and get some fresh air.

kidnicky

So this is why Nintendo keep making the same four games every two years?

in5ane

Seriously? He has some nerve. Mario Galaxy was, IMO, terrible. Twilight Princess, Windwaker and Pikmin are the only Miyamoto games I have enjoyed since the first NES Mario.

I much prefer even new Sega games to WiiFit/Mario Galaxy.

DarrenIndeed

miyamomo may be a great designer and legend, but he really sounds like a massengil product (ie: douche) with those comments.

perhaps most are tired of the 'mario' look and 'mario' placement in all nintendo products.

kneehighspy

And I'm still hoping for a good Sonic game.

Nintendo, please buy them out...

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

@jbiller: Those games sold a fuckton, so I don't really think he's lost anything. He may not be making games that interest you, but he's still got it.

Silent Predator

Regardless Sega's development history, that's just an unprofessional thing to say. Sega doesn't have a specific style of game. It has many famous and varied franchises that many people still love, play, and look forward to. Maybe I'm taking it out of context. Perhaps he was saying that he wants to maintain a certain individuality in game style. Nintendo certainly is individual. Sega might have just been the a company that popped into his head, but he didn't mean it negatively. I'm not sure how to interpret it, but I'd like to think Miyamoto doesn't look down upon Sega or any of his competition.

Ryodestined

It really does sound like he's taking a stab at Sega doesn't it? Of course if you take the comment literally "Less like Sega, more like Mario" it really sounds like "Mario iz gawd, Sega is the suxxorz." But then since he's answering someone elses questions and having to maintain a certain PR, we'll have to assume he's talking about style and quality rather than "Needs more fat plumber."

I don't think its fair to say there are too many Mario games when so many of them differ from each other. It's not like Final Fantasy that had 10 running games of the same Turn Based battle system with minor tweaks in between. The story and graphics might be different but it's the exact same game.

But that's just my edginess talking right now. Cause when you take into point how FF games work and that is an RPG and the point of the game is the story, there isn't much to complain about anymore =/.

I guess Miymamoto should've said "Let's not make a game that makes the seal of Nintendo Quality a lier."

Viguro

@DoomPlague: Hooray, somebody else understood that it wasn't a diss?

Miyamoto clearly didn't intend to say 'the answer to making quality games is to look at what Sega does and do the opposite'. What he probably meant was that one aspect of making quality games is to take care you stick to the 'brand' in every aspect. In other words, he would probably also think that in order to ensure high quality at Sega, they should have somebody there looking over every game going 'No, that looks too much like a Nintendo game, you'd better change it'.

I suspect this got edited to hell and back (quite apart from translation) - did you see how short the original 'article' is?

(Obviously current Sega games are mostly crap but even if Miyamoto believes that I am pretty sure he wouldn't say it in a public interview.)

quen

By my count, since Super Mario Bros. twenty-three years ago, there have been ten games (including handhelds, not including remakes) in the main Mario series. Since Super Mario 64 twelve years ago, there have only been three to utilize that basic play style. When people complain about Nintendo remaking the same Mario games over and over, I don't know what the hell they're talking about. Yes, each console sees an iteration of Smash Bros., Mario Kart, and a couple other Mario sports games, but those all play very differently and should be viewed as a separate--if not each as an individual--series.

thesycophant

Nintendo and quality control. Hee hee! That makes me giggle. Lately the two words haven't belonged in the same *country* together, let alone the same sentence. Shine on, you crazy Austin Powers-looking diamond!

ManekiNeko

Im sorry, but ''quality control'' and ''Nintendo'' do not belong in the same sentence together.

LeLoi

Thats a really lame comment he has. All nintendo has done quality control wise is stick to forumlas they have been using for the last 15 years.

How can he criticize Sega when twilight princess is a near perfect clone of ocarina of time and when half of Mario Kart Wii's tracks are borrowed from old games?

fenderfuel08

He BETTER be talking about post Sammy merger Sega, because honestly, Nintendo needs some of the creativity that the good old Sega had. Hell, they need some of the creativity that the good old NINTENDO had. It seems like they become more dead to me every time I hear any sort of news about them. And that sucks.

Placentasaurus

@LeLoi: Agreed, it's just kind of redundant to say both "Nintendo" and "quality control" in the same sentence. One will suffice.

@ManekiNeko: Ah, ignorant fanboys. Most humorous.

Huckleberry

The last Miyamoto game you liked was Super Mario Bros. 1?
So I assume that Super Mario Bros. 3 isn't a very good game? I'd like to know what you feel is better.
Why do fanboys have to say such stupid shit? You could be like,"eh,I'd like to see more original ideas" or whatever and still maintain some credibility,but you have to say dumbass stuff like "Nintendo and quality control don't belong in the same sentence". Come on. They have the least glitchy software of any company out there.

kidnicky

"Make it look more like Mario", nothing has every been more obvious in the history of Earth. Ever.

pABSO

Because everything sells as long as Mario is plastered all over it.

Thono_Sakurai

How unclassy Miyamoto, spit on the enterprise which's actually getting amazing games done for your substandard console and it's steadily climbing up the ladder of good selling. NiGHTS flopped but Mario&Sonic hit the big spot along with Sonic and the Secret Rings; Superstar Tennis, Sonic Riders had acceptable sells and next we'll have Madworld, Samba de Amigo (something actually different to do with the wiimote) and arguably (there's a lot of skeptics) Sonic Unleashed. There are the movies adaptations too, and they're very high on Wii's buying list.

I'll not even start with Condemned, or Yakuza, Full Auto (they are publishing it after all), Valkyria of the Battlefield, Virtua Fighter 5 because you'd need more than two gamecubes taped together to run them. These are great games, innovative games, something you do not know how to do or then don't have the balls to. All that you care about is profit or casual gamers and this in the gaming industry is a sad thing. That's why your games are all subpar with SEGA and many other publishers. Yeah I said it. What can I say, at least with SEGA I have a choice besides the usual rehash of Mario, Zelda, Pokémon, Metroid and Wii something. It's true you have the money and the entertainment of millions of casual gamers, but you don't have the satisfaction, nor the quality and creativity SEGA has.

I do wish that you were speaking about distinguishing between Nintendo and SEGA styles however. That would be something, perhaps even a compliment that you actually think SEGA is a distinguished foe. I somehow think this is not the case... I do salute you though, knowing exactly what makes a game sell. You just have to spit Mario on there and it will sell millions.

It's true that Nintendo is here and SEGA isn't but you know what Miyamoto? It wasn't Nintendo who threw SEGA out of the ring, but Playstation. As far as Nintendo is concerned, they never won, they placidly sat there and waited for the war to end, shitting the same remakes over and over again. This seventh generation of consoles is a disgrace comparing to the fourth and fifth. A console who doesn't have games, another full of FPS and MMPORGS and another one which constantly rehashes the same one trick pony. Repetitive much? That's your fucking Wii.

Thono_Sakurai

How unclassy Miyamoto, spit on the enterprise which's actually getting amazing games done for your substandard console and it's steadily climbing up the ladder of good selling. NiGHTS flopped but Mario&Sonic hit the big spot along with Sonic and the Secret Rings; Superstar Tennis, Sonic Riders had acceptable sells and next we'll have Madworld, Samba de Amigo (something actually different to do with the wiimote) and arguably (there's a lot of skeptics) Sonic Unleashed. There are the movies adaptations too, and they're very high on Wii's buying list.

I'll not even start with Condemned, or Yakuza, Full Auto (they are publishing it after all), Valkyria of the Battlefield, Virtua Fighter 5 because you'd need more than two gamecubes taped together to run them. These are great games, innovative games, something you do not know how to do or then don't have the balls to. All that you care about is profit or casual gamers and this in the gaming industry is a sad thing. That's why your games are all subpar with SEGA and many other publishers. Yeah I said it. What can I say, at least with SEGA I have a choice besides the usual rehash of Mario, Zelda, Metroid and Wii something. It's true you have the money and the entertainment of millions of casual gamers, but you don't have the satisfaction, nor the quality and creativity SEGA has.

I do wish that you were speaking about distinguishing between Nintendo and SEGA styles however. Indeed if a game got closer to what SEGA was like, you'd actually have *gasp* dare I say, something new. I have a Wii and I like to play it but does it have the same allure my old Dreamcast has? Not in this world pall. There's no game in Wii that surpasses Grandia, Skies of Arcadia, Shenmue and a ton of others. Heck things look prettier in Dreamcast than they do in the Wii! I do salute you though, knowing exactly what makes a game sell. You just have to spit Mario on there and it will sell millions.

It's true that Nintendo is here and SEGA isn't but you know what Miyamoto? It wasn't Nintendo who threw SEGA out of the ring, but Playstation. As far as Nintendo is concerned, they never won, they placidly sat there and waited for the war to end, shitting the same remakes over and over again. This seventh generation of consoles is a disgrace comparing to the fourth and fifth. A console who doesn't have games, another full of FPS and MMPORGS and another one which constantly rehashes the same thing over and over again. Repetitive much? That's your Wii.

Thono_Sakurai

OH! I see what you did there Kotaku. Mixing opinion with fact, very clever. Miyamoto was OBVIOUSLY talking about game style, not saying Sega are shit.

Badassbill