@Mesren_Makai: What has Nippon Ichi ever done to you that would justify cutting ties with them?

jallen

If it's a Golden Sun title, Wii is my next purchase when I go to Gamestop. I'll return it 3 days later after finishing it though.

slomo788

A new F-Zero would be fantastic.
As long as there's absolutely no sign of a Mii as a driver...

Teh Emo Penguin

@Big Gray.: Exactly.

If I were to cut cords with developers I'd have missed out on Atari's Indigo Prophecy, Capcom's Dead Rising (zombies...), Camelot's Golden Sun, Nipon Ichi's Makai Kingdom.... etc. etc....

Mesren_Makai

Nintendo is going to announce ... umm ... a Star Fox or Donkey Kong game?

Aex

Also... a new IP, for the love of god, please.

Kenninator

only going to say this once on kotaku:

i've been playing games for at least 20 of my 25 years,
and i consider gaming to be a vital part of my recreational lifestyle.
that's enough of me trying to fit into "core gamer" mold.

i have 12 games for my wii, and 10 out of those are what i call great wii games.
that means 10 wii-exclusive games i enjoyed the hell out of.
i just got a ps3, and don't ever plan on getting a 360.
i can't think of 12 games i'd buy for either, much less 10 exclusive titles.

regular "hardcore" elitist gamer kids are who i expect to spread the myth
that there are no good games for the wii, not kotaku writers.

snowlock

I would love a game that would actually make me want to buy a Wii. Metroid was enticing cause it wasn't some nintendo franchise that they made "mainstream." Nintendo does some things right, like giving multiple choices for controller options but nintendo does seem to cater more to their new market. That's why Mario Kart and Wii Fit are sold out and Smash Bros. sits in display cases gathering dust.

e1salvador

@suya123: You don't like Pikmin?? lol

VakeroRokero

I'm okay with the "new" Nintendo.

What I'm NOT okay with is the bullcrap they've been pulling since the launch of WiiWare.

Two new WiiWare titles each week, one (maybe two if we're lucky) Virtual Console games...and nothing worth a damn.

I bought my Wii for the core franchises, the occasional quirky gem (Zack & Wiki, say) and Virtual Console. To see 1/3 of that treated as irrelevant pisses me off.

jallen

F-Zero controlled with Wii Fit board confirmed.

NoBullet

Super Smash Bros., and only when friends are over, is the only game I play on my Wii.

I really hope they deliver on this promise.

Kenninator

i hate to say it but Nintendo has really forgotten about what defines "Core Gamers"

all their latest games has been quite simply "meh"
even Mario Kart really disappointed.

they better stick to this promise, and i expect something good, but i dont want a Zelda. yeeesh. TP was horrible, all my effort and just so i can find more rupees.

what did they want me to buy ? the castle ?

Mr.Sad

agreed

FlapDangerous

Oh, can't believe I forgot....

...and new, interesting IP's. Liven up the crockpot just a bit, wills ya?

Mesren_Makai

Why would you ever write a developer off for good? I don't get this whole "cut the cord" philosophy. I think the Wii has some great titles right now, and Wiiware is looking very interesting. This kind of limited thinking proves to me that you are all far from hardcore gamers. Real hardcore in my mind is wanting to play all types of games all the time, not just sepia-toned fps monotony on your HD TVs. I play my Wii all the time just as I play my Xbox 360 all the time. I'm interested in the full range of gaming experience, and I just don't know what Nintendo has done to earn this kind of reaction. They are upholding their end of the bargain with SSBB, SMG, Prime 3, and more. Those are all AAA "core gamer" titles, in my opinion.

Big Gray.

Considering how Nintendo hate traditional gamers, I think it's prudent to lower our expectations early.

It'll be Square-Enix doing a Wii version of Mario Hoops. And Odama 2. And the FPS will be a sequel to Geist. The GameCube version of Pennant Chase Baseball will finally come out, but only for the GameCube-- won't work on the Wii. Nintendogs Wii edition announced. Mario Karaoke All-Stars confirmed. Nintendo will develop PilotWings, but it will be released for the PS3 and 360. Zelda: Four More Swords coming in October, requires 4x DS-- no online play. Space Channel Five remake coming, guest starring Yoda and Darth Vader. Wario to play Pit in Kid Icarus Wii.

wild homes 5: no disassemble!

@TalKeaton: A Force to be Reckoned With:
But they haven't shown any interest in giving us a HDD and therefore, they cannot call us whatever they want.

Lstormy10

I'd like to see a new installment to the Mother series as much as anyone, unfortunately, with Itoi stating that the series was done, there's virtually no chance in hell of that happening. New Metroid or Pikmin would be nice, and where is our F-Zero?! Really, Nintendo, GX was great, why haven't you built on this yet?

But something that I would like to see is maybe for once, a new IP from Nintendo. If you think about it, discounting the "Wii Play/Sports" stuff, I don't think we've seen an original IP from Nintendo on a console since Animal Crossing and Pikmin, which was about 5 years ago. There is so much you can do with a system like the Wii, and Nintendo isn't taking much advantage of it besides giving us bare-bones casual games and a fitness program. I have high hopes for these announcements, but I somehow feel like I'm going to walk away even more disgusted than I already am now.

Mini-Boss

(more F-Zero, less Wii Fit, thanks)

Luke, you have my respect. They can release games like Wii Fit if they want, but I hate having great series like F-Zero being ignored in exchange. Not sure what they think the core audience wants, but I know what I'm gunning for.

Xenigma

@hk458: Zelda games are generally 3-5 years apart. Better that way, so they don't get burned out. Love the series too much for it to die like that.
I also don't get why people say "Finally a true Zelda-next gen!" and scoff such gems as Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. But hey, I think they're all just fine 'n dandy. Yeah, I know you didn't say that. Just a mini rant.

Oh, but a Metroid DS game would make me happy.

ANd.....GOLDEN SUN 3!!!
And....info on AC: Wii

And Kid Icarus, no doubt...
And a platform Donkey Kong.
And... more games with the GCN controller (love for GCN was too short, anyways)
Luigi's ...Island?
And a Wii-make of MGS2 (Loved MGS: TS for GCN)
And...something with zombies.
Or Batman.

...Or with both zombies AND Batman!

Mesren_Makai

HD-DVD support.

Just kidding.

I wouldn't doubt some new FPS game or that they are finally opening up the online play some.

Eltigro

The Wii is, in many people's view, the perfect system for a new Star Fox game. Although, I think motion-sensitive shooting would get boring fast..depends.

It's true, though..the only game I've had since I got my Wii has been Brawl. I'm debating getting the seconnd Wii Trauma Center, but I don't know~.

Arelan

@okenny :): That was a great comment.

OnLegendary86

I'm pulling for pikmen 3, would be perfect for Wii. Or F-zero GX with lowered difficulty.

geoffcbassett

I really don't like the terms core and casual. I see it more like, enthusiasts and mainstream.

neoepochx

This is like the 3rd time they've said this? Should we have kept count after 1?

超外人

@metadae: That's not what I'm saying at all-- I'm saying Nintendo worded this very tentatively when they could've worded it very aggressively. Nintendo know how much we want Mother over here. I'm saying based on the kind of feeble hint this is going to be small-fry news.

wild homes 5: no disassemble!

The only reason my brother bought a wii is for brawls. People dogged the ps3 early in its life for not having games but no one said a thing about the wii's library. The only thing people play on the damn thing is wii sports. Even if they add a hdd what the hell am i going to put on it? Sure it would make homebrew easier so i can pirate games but what exactly am i going to pirate? I was done when they announced wii fit.

snakepliskin

I haven't touched the Wii since... I'd say October 2007.
I hope they announce a good FPS other than what gamers already have. An original FPS that handles well and isn't suck.

udiie

Wii: Making geeks and otakus happy at least twice a year.

okenny :)

@suya123: I bet they've realized that too. The solution: The Legend of Zeltoid Prime.

smuckersisgood

Core Nintendo fans or hardcore fans in general? Very different things. If it is the first one, a new Zelda game. The 2nd one, some crappy FPS?

Muisee

Zelda please...oh let it be a Zelda game from the ground up for the Wii.

Hmmmm....But I would settle for a new IP as well.

hk458

@wild homes 5: no disassemble!: Core gamers aren't interested in Mother?

metadae

Okay... since everyone of their main franchises has been exhausted thus far. They probably are talking about a new franchise for us 'core gamers' (which actually is an oxymoron) out there or another Metroid or Zelda game (though I highly suspect a new Pit game).
Hope its not pikmen 3. *shiver*

suya123

Given the trend, Nintendo usually has a certain franchises appear once a generation. So it's either a new Zelda, Pikmin, or Animal Crossing. Then again, they might actually revive Kid Icarus.

Americo

@TwinkyC: Hope you are ready to get out then.

Its just gonna be a new kid icarus (and watch as they have the studio that did metroid do it). Then a bunch of crap and then MAYBE something worth feeling good about.

Flowen

I'm pulling for Fzero myself.

OUberLord

Oh, and it seems a fair time to trot out the old chesnut mare... PILOTWINGS WII CONFIRMED.

wild homes 5: no disassemble!

You should play Mario Kart, it's really good.

VakeroRokero

My Wii is up on Craigslist now, and probably heading on to Ebay in the next day or two.

It's not a bad system, I just don't invest the time in it. So I'm done.

mva5580

@metadae, neoepochx: COME ON. It says titles core gamers will be interested in, not what you been hoping and praying for all these long years. It'll probably be like the Kid Icarus we all know about already and maybe MarioParty 9 and Luigi's Mansion 2.

wild homes 5: no disassemble!

I'm guessing colors?

CarbonFalcon

My wii has sat unused for quite some time now. My dream is that they announce Super Mario RPG 2, but I bet the chances of that are nil.

scotty16

Here's hoping they also have a booth promoting "The Conduit" and its being picked up by a publisher present.

Superhacker75mil

@Jeff Paine: Geeks and Otakus in the eyes of Nintendo FTW.

Wonders what it'll be? New Ice Climbers or Kid Icarus? Earth Bound for the Wii? Fire Emblem? =| A new Nintendo Metal Gear game? New Star Fox game? I don't know if I'd consider Animal Crossing 'core', but New Animal Crossing game? Plans to acquire Sega?

Hmm... Maybe an entirely new franchise :D I have no idea. Can't wait to see the save.

Megan Fox iz Hot ^-^ -ph15h

im counting on animal crossing wii at least, that was originally spossed to come out WITH wii......as fer something else, i CRAVE a new pikmin.

MushroomBoy1022

Mother 3 or a hard drive or I'm out.

TwinkyC

possibly a drive, but id go for the next Punch-Out!!, Kid Icarus, etc.

Wii Paint, Wii Music, and Animal Crossing are all inevitabilities at this point that id like to see. Ill eat my fucking hat if we get a new Earthbound/Mother that this gen so desperately needs.

TheIrishNinja

See, the catch is, a while ago Miyamoto was asked if Nintendo was going to support core gamers, and he responded by challenging people to change definition of what a core gamer is. As such, Wii Yoga is now a core title.

...I hope I'm wrong but I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

Nirolak

hardcore games on the Wii? I'll believe it when I see it. How about an announcement that the purposely production limited Wii is going to be more easily available by summers end. Nintendo is limiting production on purpose.

target_render

By the way, Luke-- that picture is PERFECT. Nicely played, sir.

wild homes 5: no disassemble!

Any game in the Mother series would be nice.

neoepochx

I'm assuming anything Mother related is out of the question?
Please prove me wrong.

metadae

I was at the end of my tether when the gamecube was out.

featherblade360

Nintendo? Traditional gamers? What? I swear to God, Plunkett, if this some kind of cruel joke, I will never forgive you.

I kid! I kid!

wild homes 5: no disassemble!

My Wii eject button has been jammed for 3 weeks. Has it bothered me? No. I barely even thought about getting it fixed until today. There really hasn't been a reason to play anything other than the game that's stuck in it, Mario Kart.

OnLegendary86

ok, now i have the theme from the good, the bad, and the ugly stuck in my head for some reason.

bigman88zz

@Jeff Paine: Hey, if it gets us a hard drive, they can call us whatever they want.

TalKeaton: A Force to be Reckoned With

More like Nintendo Promises Announcements For "Geeks and Otakus" At E3

Jeff Paine

f-zero... metroid 2d... and PLEASE prevent Star Fox from going the Sonic road any further

Resso

It is hard to take them serious with this statement. I do love nintendo but I cant help but think I will be let down with whatever they connect to this quote.

But a new Kid Icarus game would be nice to see.@TheIrishNinja: @Megan Fox iz Hot ^-^ -ph15h:

yashichi8bit

@Mesren_Makai: Wait, 2 hours? You beat it in 2 hours? That alone is saying something, haha!

TalKeaton: A Force to be Reckoned With

I like the fact that Franklin clearly says "new titles", not just "new features" or something equally noncommittal. I'm assuming these will be titles we've heard absolutely nothing about yet...? (i.e. not Project Zero IV or the new Tenchu)

Antiterra - No Country For Old Snake

@Mesren_Makai: Yeah, sorry... but Indigo Prophecy, (I played it as Farenheit... somehow my copy was European...) I felt the plot started OK but suddenly went bogus about halfway through, and the quick-time-response button-press segments were infuriating. I spent three full hours on one of them.

TalKeaton: A Force to be Reckoned With

I was somewhat excited to get ahold of one after seeing what it could do, but I'm quite glad that, even to this day, I still haven't purchased one. It would have been a tremendous expense with no payoff, thus far. I could probably tally the games I'd have bought on two hands, if I was conservative, but I wouldn't exceed toes there. The VC would be my best friend if I bought one.

Long story short, even the notion of just a "core gamers" announcement turns up my ears at this point, and I'm pretty damned hardcore. That's a bad spot for Nintendo if it takes that little to interest me. I'd rather be drowning in good games I won't be able to play properly than to have nothing but mediocre ports and minigame collections to slog through.

HTTenrai

why don't you guys sell your Wii if you don't have good games for it? it's not like you have to own one, just because everyone else has one! please, anyone you meet, tell them what a gimmick the Wii is, and explain them why the Hd consoles are 10x better. Stick to the main consoles, don't buy crap like all of us idiotic Nintendo users, we like throwing our money to Nintendo, even if you tell me Wii Sports is a piece of shit, I will buy it just because it says Nintendo, and probably buy whatever piece of crap they put out this year just as long as it sasy "Developed by Nintendo" I also like sex with beautiful women every time I can and , yeah, call me crazy...

VakeroRokero

@TalKeaton: A Force to be Reckoned With: Haha, to each to their own, I guess. Some love it, some hate it.

But I would have to argue that Orphen: Scion of Sorcery was the worst 2 hours of my life (I beat it, too) game ever to have been borne upon the planet.

Mesren_Makai

It would be nice if we can get Oboro Muramasa Yōtōden and Mother 3 stateside. Maybe a moderately priced HDD? At any rate, I smell Star Fox and Animal Crossing... which I'm OK with.

yokoland

Fun fact, Marc Franklin used to work for Konami: [216.92.236.126]

Struct09

@jallen: Well, the Nippon Ichi one was a tad bit exaggerated (I'd have likely just waned on their games)

Atelier Iris 3: Grand Fantasm ,and Dragoneer's Aria were my only bothers, but I LOVE Makai Kingdom, La Pucelle, Phantom Brave, and Disgaea is pretty good. Big fan of Nippon Ichi, though.

But yeah like I said, I'd never cut ties with a developer : P

Mesren_Makai

What core gamers have been waiting for:
Wii Sports 2 Confirmed!
Now with Wii Fit goodness!

asymptotic

please please please be Animal Crossing Wii. I'd forgive you, Nintendo, for calling me a geek.

GiantEnemyCrab

@jallen: I can think of one reason involving a lead artist in particular...

Drake Lake

I'm hoping they're going to announce a 2D Metroid title for the Wii.

Bigfoot

@Mesren_Makai:
Wind Waker was one of my favorites. Link was so expressive and stabbing Gannon through the face was just plane awsome.

Omg did you say Golden Sun??? That game was one of the best RPGs I ever played.

hk458

LUKE PLUNKET IS THE REASON BOOM BLOX DIDNT SELL.
We now have a culprit! Book 'em Danno!

Captain_Canada

@Mesren_Makai: I would have been pretty happy to have missed out on Indigo Prophecy, thanks. That's ten hours of my life I wish I had back.

TalKeaton: A Force to be Reckoned With

@snowlock: Well, that's wonderful. But look around you. We're not elitist kids. We've all owned Nintendo systems. I've owned all of them but the fashion-only GBM. I've got a Virtual Boy in the bathroom. You found something nice to do with your Wii and that's great. All of us? Maybe less so. We respect your opinion-- you respect ours, ok pumpkin? Oh, and while he's a writer, Plunkett's entitled to an opinion, too. And the fact NINTENDO are saying this kind of validates the perception they've left traditional gamers hanging a bit.

wild homes 5: no disassemble!

they probably will announce like 2 or 3 games and thats it... >.> I think that its already to late for something like this....

Shad0X

Kid Icarus. Not really any other reason for him to be in brawl surely.

juliopalio

@VakeroRokero: You glorious nutter. You're defending the Wii with the fact you like to have sex with ladies? I don't even know how to respond to that. You win, sir.

wild homes 5: no disassemble!

@Sesshu: A Golden Sun Wii that connects to Golden Sun 3 (DS) to complete the full story.

Mesren_Makai

@Kenninator: Lol, what, he core gamers or the Wii Fit? Honestly, I think thats the reason that the Wii was doing so damn well cause it catered to casual gamers more then the other two.

Ashkihyena

Don't care about the Wii but it is concerning that Nintendo has next to nothing on the horizon for the DS at present.

hagridore

Psh, only Otakus and Geeks care about announcements...

sisedi

@AchievmentSlave: No hard drive, just 512MB of internal flash memory, which can be extended through SD cards (2GB max).

The problem is you can't play downloaded games (Virtual Console or Wiiware) off the SD cards, nor can you use the save files stored on them.
As a consequence, if your internal memory is full, you have to keep transferring files to and from your SD cards, which can be a pain.

Furthermore, the more Wii channels come out (weather, news, internet browser, the Nintendo channel), the less available space is left on the internal memory. Which is why so many gamers are hoping for a better storage solution.

Personally, I'd be fine with simply being able to run things off the SD cards. I'm confident Nintendo will come up with something somewhere down the line, but sooner would be better than later.
I'd put the recent "geeks and otakus" comment into the "look at the bright side" category: by exacerbating the impatience of Wii owners, it might accelerate things.

Antiterra - No Country For Old Snake

@Ashkihyena:

Traitorous fiend!

Kenninator

Hopefully it'll be something good... I guess we'll know in a month.

I've been perfectly satisfied with the Wii's library so far though. I need some time to catch up since I have a few Wii games I haven't opened, a few I want but haven't yet bought, and a few I've played that still have plenty of mileage left in them. Between the Wii, DS, and PC, there are more than enough games to keep me busy.

@deathtastic: Sure, if you equate "hardcore" with "graphics whore"... which is often the case.

Mezodon

@TalKeaton: A Force to be Reckoned With: Very much so. Horrible VO's to horrible dialogue, horrible limited fighting (You only got into a handful of fights, so how you could level up much I have no idea) , horrible gameplay, horrible everything. Oh, and you had the SAME 1st boss fight 3 times. I kid you not.

Mesren_Makai

@AchievmentSlave:
It has no hard drive.

Archaotic

as a non wii person can somone tell me does the wii not have a harddrive? or if it does how many gig?

cheers

AchievmentSlave

If they announce Golden Sun 3 on either the wii or ds...I'll buy that said system.

Sesshu

Core gamers *rolls eyes* Save that for the 360 and PS3. Personally, I like the Wii and plan on getting Wii Fit when I can

Ashkihyena

@futurebiblehero: (But hey, if they'll give me a legitimate 2D Mario sequel, I'm all for shaving my beard into a mustache and hanging around for a couple of episodes of Dora).

futurebiblehero

I won't believe this until Reggie takes the stage on E3 and reveals something like Mother 3 coming to the US, or a revival of an old franchise.

No, Fire Emblem DS doesn't count, and no, a Wii Kid Icarus doesn't count.

Archaotic

with their hardware they won't be able to please the hardcore audience. better luck next time Nintendo.

deathtastic

Nintendo and George Lucas share a very similar place in my heart these days. As a child, I deified them. As an adolescent, I revered them through rocky times and hoped for the best in the future. As an adult, I feel that now my nostalgia has been thoroughly mined out they have very little new or interesting to offer me.

Then again, I see how children react to the Wii and realize that they're essentially boarding the train I'm leaving. Same with Star Wars. I thought the prequel trilogy was digital vomit, but you still see little kids running around with lightsabers and pretending like they're Darth Vader. That's awesome. Even with my disenchantment and total lack of enthusiasm for either, what kind of an asshole would I be for "hating" Star Wars or Nintendo when we've all been that kid.

In short? We're 18 and no longer the youngest kid in the house. There's either the option of moving out, or hanging around like an angry pedophile. Either way, we're no longer the first priority.

futurebiblehero

I'm confused. Why would you write Nintendo off?
Is Mario galaxy, Metroid Prime, Smash Bros, Mario Kart, Battalion Wars and Fire Emblem in the last 9 months not good enough for you? What more do possibly you want from one publisher?
Nintendo, despite their casual games, have been the only ones supplying you with your "hardcore" games on the Wii...and they've made a LOT more "hardcore" games than "casual" games, too.

I'll never, for the life of me, understand why people continually hold Nintendo to such a different standard than Sony or Microsoft.

Mr. Fap☆Fap!

mm. Overall I have be pretty happy when the Wii (not to big a fan of FPSes so it works) though as obvious the third party support has lacked quite a bit. But really Nintendo makes so many good first party titles compared to other console makers it evens out a bit...

Toasterface[zd]

I really think it's Kid Icarus. That's why there hasn't been any news of Nintendo accepting Factor 5's pitch for the franchise. They've already been working on one. Star Fox is another series that is never too far behind after the launch of a Nintendo console.

PLEASE, not another Zelda this soon unless it's just a remake. I have to confront Miyamoto with my epic theory on the series before I can feel safe with them adding to the chronology.

Green-clad Gamer Dude

oh dissing on the Nintendo, so fashionable. I have never understood that logic of "the wii has no games", seriously, do u guys play a new game every weekend?!?!? I got Bully back in April and I don't think I am in more than 40% in, lol.
I cannot wait for the announcement, hope it is something fun!! :oD

valhum

@MassiveMendoza: D: You've got to be kidding me. Honestly, I think the Virtual Boy is Nintendo's worst system. I don't think Nintendo, other then that has had any bad ones.

Ashkihyena

@Big Gray.: @Big Gray.: @Big Gray.: agreed. i wish i could go back in time and uppercut the first person who decided to say "core/hardcore/traditional gamer."

im sure its just the grumpy old man in me, but nintendo in my eyes is more what gamings about than sony or microsoft. i dont know when being a core gamer meant you pretty much only liked first person views, war settings, or ultra cinematic games that wish they were r rated movies. i miss games that werent about much, i miss old sega. which leads me to say...

@Megan Fox iz Hot ^-^ -ph15h: that sega comment.. awesome. ive been saying that i wished that happened for years.

shouryuuken

I'm not gonna say Kid Icarus, because I hate setting myself up for disappointment. I can't say enough however, how much I I really want a new Kid Icarus game. It should have been done AGES ago. There really is no excuse. It's the perfect series for an upgrade.

CaptLtrl

We know about Megaman. Hell, it's even in the can and rated!

RRRansom

I never really looked into the backstory as to why we haven't gotten any Earthbound sequel material here in the west in forever. Could anybody enlighten me as to why the hell they haven't milked this franchise, that's obviously high in demand, yet?

priscabel

Ooh, ooh...Ultimate BUBBLE BOBBLE!

Spoony Bard

So they're bringing back Crystalis?

Spoony Bard

It must be a brain training MMO.

ThisCharmingMan

Lets look at possibilities.

Obviously, it's something "American" (IE: no new F-zero, off-chance they announce Fire Emblem for the DS)
I'm willing to bet...
Star Fox
Mother 3
MGS 2.....Ala twin snakes, since Kojima has good ties with Nintendo and wants to make more MGS games...plus he would go apeshit with wii controls.

Raften

All I'm saying is that Wii so far is Nintendo's worst system, hands down (and don't give me that Virtual Boy nonsense). Also, DS support has been ass these last few months. Don't let me down Nintendo, please? My fanboy-ism is fading faster than a 1st place lead in MK Wii.

MassiveMendoza

I just had a brilliant idea. I believe we need to make the heads of Nintendo sit down and watch one of those cheesy late 80's early/mid 90's family television shows (Im thinking full house) where on the children (preferably a preteen/early teens) start ignoring their true friends and start hanging out with the 'cool kids'. By the end of the show, the daughter/son realizes that the 'cool' kids arent really their true friends, and the friends that they started to ignore/tease are the ones that have been with them through the bad and the good and are, in the end, their true friends.

Because, Nintendo, Mr. Tanner is right, at the end of the day (or 30 minutes), the friends that liked you from the very start are the friends that like you for who you are, not what accessories you have!

StagnatedLives

I hope I'm proven wrong, but due to Nintendo's recent comments, I doubt we will be getting a hard drive... I'm starting the believe that, the lack of hard drive and the poor online support, nintendo is ignoring or out of touch with the desires of its most loyal customer base.

StagnatedLives

Pikmin 3 and a harddrive? Gee Thanks! :D

BudDudandSlash

Sorry about the double post... Kotaku spazzed out and logged me out and... well I dont really know what happened... ITS THE FULL MOON

StagnatedLives

@Raften: MGS2 - The Triplet Snakes? I love the idea. And you're right, I can only imagine what gameplay and fourth-wall stunts Kojima Prod. would pull with the Wiimote/Nunchuk.

Antiterra - No Country For Old Snake

I sat outside and waited over (a very cold) night for the Wii on launch day. The ideas and concepts that the Wii brought to mind were exciting to say the least. I have yet to have the Wii deliver ANY of the great potential I saw in it prior to launch. The only game to interest me as of late is boom blox. However, I cannot, for the life of me, justify spending 50 dollars on that game. 20 bucks? you bet. But money as tight as it is, it is a wiser financial investment for me to spend 10 more dollars and get the return of a triple A title such as Metal Gear Solid 4, the Orange Box, Gears of War, or Grand Theft Auto 4. The amount offered in titles on the PS3 or 360 justify (for the most part) the price tag. In my opinion, nearly every game that has been released for the Wii (aside from Zelda and Mario Galaxy which, consequently are the only two Wii games I own) do NOT offer enough value to justify spending that kind of money. I know there are other good games out for the Wii, and I know the console will sell well no matter what any of us say. But I sat outside on a freezing midwest november night in hopes and ideas of great sword fighting games, unique and exciting game play elements, 1:1 controls on sports games, and the revival of Nintendo franchises that utilize and integrate motion controls. In reality, what we got was a replacement to "push button A". I want everyone, even the people that love the Wii to consider every Wii game they played, and I challenge anyone to show me a game where "flick Wii remote up" couldn't be replaced by "press A button". Mario galaxy was a great game, but honestly, wouldn't it have been just as good on the Gamecube? The "revolution" was suppose to change the way we played games, but so far all we have gotten are games that replace a button press with a flick of the wrist, and at gimped graphics.

In conclusion (I apologize for the length of this comment), I would like to state that I still own my Wii, in hopes that this gimmick phase will eventually pass and quality titles will be released. My faith has been tested, but I still hope that one day, after this fad passes, the promises and hopes we had when it was known as the Revolution will come to be. Until that happens, it will sit there, with its red light on, while my PS3 and 360 continue to get use.

StagnatedLives

I hate to admit it but my wii is just there getting dust unless I play Zelda collector's edition that I borrowed from a friend, and its not even a wii title so yeah im running out of games Nintendo!
Im deffinetly not getting wii fit, if that game ever reaches y wii it will be because of someone else that bought it not me. Im tired of this casual titles.

HELLSRIDER

@TheIrishNinja:

I hate everything about you. :)

Muisee

@Green-clad Gamer Dude: glad im not the only one hoping its not another zelda, personally.

TheIrishNinja

Ok ok hold on I think I know

It'll be a new Donkey Kong adventure game, or a revival of Ice Climber or Kid Icarus or some other franchise they haven't redone this generation--- yet

interstate78

@suya123: pikmin 3? we should be so lucky.

TheIrishNinja

Yeah, now that I'm going back to Gamecube titles for my hardcore fix, I'm starting to lose faith in my favorite company.

krushjudgement

My guess? wii swim now with new power gloves and shoes to keep track of your wailing. Anyone notice that the core gamer to Nintendo is their market of casuals. I can see it now, wailing around but in a new way with feet and gloves.lol

anime10121

this is an outrage!
no one thought of Kirby??
I thought they were going to give us a new kirby on the wii (or am i not up to date and is that already anounced?)

maybe kirby is not "core" enough?

zyberteq

oops i mean 3...

embarrassing...

TheAmericnDream

personal prediction?

zelda and pikmin 2

TheAmericnDream

At the rate Nintendo is going their next platform will in fact simply be a plastic toy, not an electronic device. It will sell millions.

Sushmonster

Even if Nintendo announces Kid Icarus, it will most likely be scheduled for 2009 just like how Nintendo announced both Mario Kart and Wii fit at least year's E3 and they weren't ready until the next year. I'm sure we can expect more game delays from the titles announced at E3 too.

As far as Nintendo titles go, we already know about Wario Land Shake, Fatal Frame 4 and Disaster:Day of Crisis and Mario Sluggers. According to Reggie, we might just get one other big game for the Wii that should be ready for the holiday season. It could be Animal Crossing but something like Pikmin 3 probably has less of a chance to come out this year.

There's also the chance that Capcom has another Wii project to announce so there's that too.

I would like to know more about Konami's Castlevania Wii project, what Retro Studio's is up to (we probably won't hear any announcements from them at E3), Kirby Superstar Deluxe, Metal Slug 7, Oboro Muramasa Youtouden, de Blob, The Conduit and Mad World. There's also Wiiware titles and possibly new Wii channels too. I also wonder if Kojima will actually make something for the Wii like he has been hinting about several times in past interviews but it's probably too early for him to talk about his next project.

Unfortunately, it does not seem likely that Nintendo will reveal a hard drive solution for the Wii at E3. I just think it would be too good to be true.

I'm hoping for a new Starfox game but we will probably have to wait a year or two for that. A new Zelda title is probably in early development especially since it typically around 3 or so years to make so I don't think Nintendo will be ready to talk about it or discuss a new sequel to Mario Galaxy.

Killer7

2-d Metroid or I don't care. I hope Nintendo is listening, because I want them to know.

supercrap

@MushroomBoy1022: i too, crave a new Minibike... er- i mean Pikmin...

laser beams

@Muisee: haha, sorry man, just - i was playing TP and quit on it like halfway through for Okami and never came back. Ive been playing Zelda since the series started, so that's saying something. Wasnt a bad game, but id like something fresh again, and personally, Wind Waker did that for me.

TheIrishNinja

@StagnatedLives: You actually think so-called "core gamers" are the true friends type before the Wii? Where were they during the N64 and GCN eras? Core gamers are fickled and whiny. They want all games to be designed to fit their tastes, or its shit. They complained about Nintendo being kiddy or casual, and how Nintendo betrayed them. That's a bunch of bullshit from a bunch of whiny idiots; Nintendo games haven't changed, only the players have.

Why should Nintendo cater to the whims of a demographic that has largely abandoned them over the last 2 console generations? They'll still put out their main series for the Nintendo fanboys, but I don't know why they would put such a large effort into pleasing a demographic that'll likely end up trashing them anyways as long as Nintendo games feel like Nintendo games.

Leanid

@TalKeaton: A Force to be Reckoned With: lol, that gives me the idea of them hurling abuse and obscenities whenever they see is but when it comes to sales pitch time they act nice (in a funny way since I know that's not what it's like).

Anyway it's good that they acknowledge there core audience still cos that's one of the only criticisms I had of Nintendo. Still they'll need more than a hard drive to make them happy long term.

Llost

oh.. and for my predictions/hopes

- harddrive
- icarus developed by factor 5
- starfox
- f-zero
- PUNCH OUT!!!
- kirby (havent we heard something about this?)
- new ip!!!
- animal crossing wii
- arm wrestling (yeah i said it! i think itd be perfect for
the wii)
- world of hyrule (i personally think an mmo by miyamoto
would be genius. probably the only way id ever play one)
- pilotwings wii
- 1080 balance board
- waverace wii
- announcement that red steel II is being developed by free
radical, who is drawing their inspiration from their work
as rare on perfect dark and goldeneye.
- donkey kong jungle beat wii
- metroid that looks like samus in ultimate alliance (i
think that actually might have been cooler than first
person).

okay my fantasy list is done. im sure that starfox, icarus, and the hdd are the only possible things there.

shouryuuken

@StagnatedLives: Or you could show them Freaks And Geeks: once Lindsay starts hanging out with the freaks and never goes back to her former "Mathletes" geek friends (except for that one episode when she's somewhat on the rebound and she briefly does go back to them, only to leave again 30 minutes later).

And after watching that, Nintendo would think: "Yep, our new friends are definitely cooler."

Antiterra - No Country For Old Snake

It's probbly just another Nintendo & SEGA team up. Yu Suzuki & Shigeru Miyamoto team up and release Shenmue: BLOW YOUR FUCKING MIND!

+ Watch video

Gunloc

the more i think about it, "hardcore gamer" has turned into a term for ppl who like watered down pc games. reading some comments.. games that ppl laud as the true gaming titles are just pc games with mid range specs. gears of war? orange box? bioshock? call of duty 4? oblivion? mass effect? before the xbox, none of those games would have been big releases on a console. im glad the wii offers an alternative to those kinds of titles, because i didnt like the flavor of pc gaming when i was growing up, and i dont like the flavor of its console younger brethren now.

shouryuuken

Silent Hill Wii...it'll be a game set in silent hill, except it'll have short, pastel colored, bubbly characters. Basically, Animal Crossing, with a Silent Hill theme. It'll be a cross-produced game between Konami and Nintendo.

Sorry, I held so much faith in Nintendo through the N64, then they gave me hope with their pre-Gamecube launch, which was quickly stomped on..when the Wii was coming out, and everyone was badmouthing it, I defended it because of the possibilities for us "core gamers". Yet, once again, Nintendo has let me down, and I've lost any and all faith that they can cater to anyone, but those casual gamers who don't want depth or any real story in their games.

(If this is a double post, sorry. I came back to this thread hours later, and my comment was still sitting in the text box and I didn't see it posted.)

Darkest Daze

This better be true!!!

So what about the Wii Sku? Was that a lie?

tako12

"Nearing the end of your tether with the "new" Nintendo?"

I really am, Luke. :(

Wolfers

Hmm, interesting. But not so interesting that I'm not very suspicous. I can see a horrible corecasual hybrid game coming along, say "F-Zero Snowboarding: With the Wii wheel and balance board combined!".

Polysics_2004

@Muisee: i'm sayin'! i got a replica master sword right here, you can hit me with it if you like.
but the truth is, okami took the tired zelda formula and made it all feel fresh and new for me, and it pains me to say that man.
now, the DS one looked innovative (havent gotten around to it yet) but im just saying, if the fanboys want another TP mimicking OoT, im saying, ill sit this round out. I adored Link to the Past, but i dont want future installments of the series to just be nostalgic at best, you know?

TheIrishNinja

MEh, that ship sailed a long time ago.

Replica23

@TheIrishNinja:

Oh no you didn't...*snaps fingers*

Now you are just asking for a virtual foot to the virtual @ss. Yeah, I went there.

Muisee

@TheIrishNinja:

Nintendo doesn't know what they are doing with the series. However the WW art direction on a console has to be out of the question. It seems perfect for a hand held but I don't want anything to do with it again. I liked WW, but once is enough.

Nintendo has said TP will be the last of its kind, and was made for the fans. I enjoyed the game because it was a great title with solid gameplay and had a lot of re-playability. What is wrong with nostalgia? I had more fun with the game because it did take so much from OoT. In the same breath it was its own game, and just because it looked similar doesn't mean it was a total rip-off.

I understand what you are saying but I do not know many fans that want Nintendo to continue the cell shaded crap on a console Zelda. I want Nintendo to take more of an MM approach in the next game. Make it darker, make Link have at least a little depth, and forget Ganondorf/Zelda for a title or two.

I fear they will take the next one in the same direction as WW and PH because of the large casual base the Wii has. TP was easy but WW was not a challenge what-so-ever. It was made to get new people into the series, which is fine but do it on the DS.

The series has to change to keep my interest and stay my favorite franchise (rather then being the "remember when" title so many other Nintendo franchises have now become), but WW is not the way for that to happen.

Muisee

@Struct09: Yes, he's very new :)

Luke Plunkett

If I had to make a crazy guess :) I would go for Pilot Wings...I swear it was listed on Play.com for months back when the Wii launched. There was that other flying game that came out as well but there was definitely a 'Pilot Wings' listed too...

elronathon

@mackincheese: I'm sure a G/S remake is bound sometime in the future. Its about time really.

Toasterface[zd]

Nobody else saw this when the Gamecube was released? I haven't played a great Nintendo title since the N64, and certainly no great third party games on their systems...disregarding the DS that is.

Snake726

Well, it's not gonna be Mother 3, so Nintendo is still dead to me.

Unless it's a Pokemon Gold/Silver remake. Then I may be interested, but that's not gonna be it either.

mackincheese

@Nirolak:

Gotta say i agree. Nintendo have 'redefined' the term core. So i'm going to hold off getting excited.

Duoae

Why is it when something mentions nintendo and core gamers everybody who bashes nintendo always leaves games out for their argument. Come on Mari oGalaxy was a great game. I liked twilight princess also .

Maybe i am the only one but all my systems and my pc(game wise that is) are collecting dust.

My wii is only collecting dust due to not being able to find wii fit.

majortom1029

@Antiterra - No Country For Old Snake: Damm good show, that. I miss it.

Shiryu

F-Zero Wii, Starfox Wii, Pilotwings Wii... PLEASE! Oh, and a HDD, thanks.

Shiryu

Oh wait, 10 games because I completely forgot about Smash Bros.

Rebochan

"My Wii is covered with dust"? Check.

"I sold my Wii"? Check.

Don't you people ever get tired having to constantly remind everyone how hardcore you are?

Now let's see, I'm looking at my gaming shelf. I have 9 Wii games. Pokemon Battle Revolution, Metroid Prime Corrution, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Trauma Center: New Blood, Zack and Wiki, Super Mario Galaxy, Twilight Princess, Okami, WarioWare. Of those, only WarioWare could be considered casual. And three of those are 3rd-party offerings. And I don't have Mario Kart yet because I'm broke, not because I don't want it.

So clearly the argument that Nintendo ignores the "core" and that "core" gamers have nothing to do is a load of crap. You seriously have to deliberately ignore the Wii software library to make that argument work. And you know what? Every single thread here does just that. Because that is the only logical way you can claim that the Wii is for casual gamers and "soccer moms" only - by denying the very fabric of reality itself, because God only knows that would happen before you ever admit you're wrong (thank you Yahtzee for letting me steal that.)

Rebochan

Well, it's too little, too late, for me. The small number of quality showings from Nintendo caused me to sell my Wii online just this past week, actually.

I made back all but about $40 too, so I'm pretty happy about that--I owned the console and a bunch of games since Black Friday immediately following the Wii's launch, and I got some good use out of it...

TuxBobble

You should cover it with a cloth. That's what I do with my PS3 since it's literally a dust magnet.

M

@Rebochan:A diamond in the rough. Watch out my friend, for KaneRobot and the anti Nintendo troll hoard are coming to steal your cookies and claim your a mindless fanboy. Prepare yourself for such witty comments like the world has never seen before from that lot, but remember, it's brain poison. All of it.

@TuxBobble:Cool, so you'll stay out of future Wii threads then?

@Snake726:Are you blind, trolling, just being stupid or really are that limited in your forsight? I'm going to go with all of the above, care to prove me wrong?

@priscabel:Earthbound/Mother sold very poorly over here and as it is, it's done anyway, the creator of Earthbound said he was done with it.

@HELLSRIDER:No one cares of your Wii is dusty. Shut up about it.

@Sushmonster:Are you so cutteee? And witty too!

@StagnatedLives:So your TL:DR translates to "Bawwww, the Wii really isn't for me?"

@majortom1029:Because core gamers are butthurt passive agressive trolls who demand to be catered to all the time.

@TheIrishNinja:Pretty sure you won't hear anything on a new Zelda till next year and it's been stated a lot of times they are seeking something fresh.

@Leanid:One more diamond in the rough. Core gamers are demanding, thankless bitches.

Foxstar Sixtail

Hopefully we'll see something new and interesting from The Big N. A new Starfox game would be fine by me, though.

randomizer9

I just recently beat No More Heroes and still haven´t beat the "real" final boss and i´m still halfway into Metroid Prime 3.

I´m still gonna play it for awhile but mostly gamecube titles (aside from the 2 mentioned above), i´m still trying to beat Resident Evil 0 (Which is the very fucking definition of survival horror) and just ordered Eternal Darkness.

So yeah, Zelda sequel please and/or revive another franchise.

Phantasos

I don't think Nintendo remembers what core gamers are. If I could own one game company they would be it, but if I could only own one system it sure wouldn't be anything they built.

crim

.....hmmm nintendo market strategy?....i could try to write on more about this but i would probably be flamed by a fanboy

ejpal

Duke Nuk'em Forever which will be usable with Nintendo USB Hard Drive (20 to 40GB).

Zarian

@StagnatedLives: Huh. Interesting. I could have sworn Z&W was less than $50. It might have been $40, though. I don't think it took the plunge all the way down to $30. But that's a really interesting comment, after what a lot of Kotakuites said about how they'd be more interested in Boom Blox if it were $30.

It's weird. A lot of big games can be criticized for their gameplay length. Metroid Prime 3 seemed short-ish... but definitely longer than Gears of War, so color me confused.

BtownDesignGuy

@StagnatedLives:If the market is so flooded with party games, then list them, because the top 10 and for that matter, most of the top 20 games are not party games. It's hard to read your comments when you sneak in talking points like 'gimmick' and 'Only AAA titles could be done on the Cube." because it speaks to someone who hasn't played enough games or sees the bigger picture.

Foxstar Sixtail

@BtownDesignGuy:

I followed Z&W until it was released. I'm a huge fan of the old point and click adventures, something that has sadly died out unless you resort to flash games on the internet.

However, after I heard about the length of the game, no matter how excited I was about it, I just couldn't spring 50 bucks on it... I wanted to support them so bad for what they are doing, but, unfortunately, ramen noodles needed to be bought and I couldn't justify the purchase.

Maybe its dropped in price.... Ill have to check that out while I'm at work today

(also, the lack of copies available also hurt sales, that game was hard to find!)

StagnatedLives

Please lets hope they announce and release something!! While I played quite a bit of Wii last year, it has been pretty much sitting on the shelf since Christmas as they just have not released anything beyond Mario Kart Wii that has interested me. My 360 is getting all of the play time right now.

M.A.S.

@Foxstar Sixtail:

No, in translates into, There is a huge amount of potential in the Wii. But right now none of that potential is being tapped, which is why there is such an low attach rate. they are selling on the idea of a gimmick, they started a craze with it, but now that everyone has one, no one really knows what to do with it. Why is the attach rate so low? because the market is flooded with poorly made "party" games.

If you would have taken the time to read my comment (its fine if you dont want to, but than don't respond) than you would have realized that I never once hinted that the "wii really isn't for me" In fact I believe I say at the very end how I still have faith in the Wii. Nintendo is to busy caught up in its own hype to realize that after this sale trend is over (and it WILL end, it always does), they have nothing left. Right now, the only true sustainable triple A titles on the Wii are Galaxy and Zelda, both games that would have been the exact same on a console sans motion controls.

Read a comment before you reply to it.

StagnatedLives

@wild homes 5: no disassemble!: Sure, people are entitled to their opinions, but those opinions are pretty annoying if they have the appearance of being uninformed. And when you've got a game like Zack & Wiki, the best throwback to classic point-and-click adventure puzzles since Tim Schafer left LucasArts in 2000, turning out to be a complete sales dud because even the "hardcore" players who bought a Wii are too elitist to play something that isn't drenched with blood and gore, it really makes Wii haters appear ignorant. Not that I'm actaully calling anyone ignorant, I'm just saying it makes them look ignorant (and increases the likelihood that others will flame them).

Metroid Prime 3 also should have sold better than it did. That was *the* game people were waiting for, and it only received mediocre sales.

It's one thing for someone to say, "I know the Wii has some games out there that a lot of people love, but it just doesn't appeal to me." It's something else to say, "I have a Wii and I don't play it because all its games are shit, but I won't qualify my opinion by explaining why some of its most beloved games don't entertain me, even if it makes it look like I haven't even played them, and thus appear to have an uninformed opinion." It's people like that who punish developers for even trying to reach out to us when they could easily cash in on the "casual" crowd.

@snowlock: 12? Really? I loves me some Wii, but I can't think of 12 games that interest me! Would you mind listing them?

BtownDesignGuy

They're getting pretty good at promising. They can certainly deliver, they have a few times, well, including a GameCube port and a PS2 port...

But I'll believe it when I see it. As for dust collecting stories, I had my Wii off for the last few weeks so it didn't get so hot. Last night I turned it on a read a few news articles and put it to sleep. This morning I noticed the new software update, but it didn't matter so I shut it off again. I guess there's always homebrew! ...though I'm running most of what I would there on my PSP and DS.

I'd check out Wiiware once they offer a decent storage solution...

@MassiveMendoza:
IMO that goes to N64 - that's where I couldn't justify following them anymore. Sadly from that, I didn't realize the Cube was good until it was almost done for.

...then expecting a GameCube with wide popular support, I picked up a Wii...

fuchikoma

RE5! haha maybe... just maybe next year. =/

dcaoko

i want somethin in the lines of starcraft for the wii....starcraft 1.5? lmao....they have to get the whole online multiplayer thing fixed though

I really liked Medal of Honor heroes 2 though, maybe they should come out with better online fps too.....and a fighting game(capcom vs tatsunoko) that comese with arcade perif haha

ejpal

@BtownDesignGuy:
You may be right, it could have been 40, but its the exact same thing as boom blox. To me, those titles should sit at 25 dollars. Its hard for me to spend more than that... I dont know, it's and odd thing, but I also have a hard time spending 40 bucks on a game for a handheld system (PSP)

@Foxstar Sixtail:
Name ONE Wii game that is NOT a party game that would not have worked on the gamecube? (Aside from Zak an Wiki :[) It IS a gimmick when it doesnt add value, instead of pushing a button, you are flicking your wrist down. There is NO added value, its just trading one action for another.

As for listing what I consider poor Wii party games? here:

Carnival Games
Game Party
Ultimate Board Game Collection
Smarty Pants
Mario Party 8
Playground
Boogie
Donkey Kong barrel Blast
WiiPlay (Did anyone honestly buy for any other reason than the remote?)
Super Monkey Ball Banana
Pool Party
Tamagotchi: Party On!
Cranium Kabookii
Balloon Pop
Chicken Shoot
Battle of the Bands

Is that enough? seriously, its fine if you want to defend your stance behind the Wii, but even the most die hard brand blinded fanboy must realize and accept that the wii game selection is flooded with crap "cash in" games.

StagnatedLives

@fuchikoma:"..then expecting a GameCube with wide popular support, I picked up a Wii..."

So it's Nintendo's fault third parties are lazy? Is that what your saying?

Foxstar Sixtail

@MassiveMendoza:So where are the numbers to back up your debate? Calling the Wii Nintendo's worse system because they aren't sucking on your taint? Please. Go back to GameFAQ's with that crap.

Foxstar Sixtail

@StagnatedLives:We agree to disagree, but I think your bias is clouding everything. And yes, the Wii has shovelware. So does the PS2 and every single game system known to man. How is that Nintendo's fault?

Also calling Wiiplay shovelware - fail.

Foxstar Sixtail

@TheIrishNinja:

I agree Twighlight Princess seemed stale, whereas Wind Waker was exciting and new. A lot of people were fooled by the "grown up" looking graphics of TP.

But seriously, where's the deep exploration games that I want to play? I'm a huge Nintendo fan. We used to get games like this all the time. Now it's just two titles a year- tops!

krushjudgement

F-zero Pikmin and Starfox please!

pkmnSilver

@Foxstar Sixtail:
Nope. I'm simply saying I based my Wii buy on the success I had with the GameCube.

Ultimately I'm not placing blame, but I've had very little luck finding games that engage me long-term on it. More than half of my ten are basically wagglers/party games/"arcade" games. They're good, but after a few weeks they wear out.

Whoever is to blame, my Wii now gets less play than my GameBoy Color, that's all...

fuchikoma

I'm hoping for a new Pikmin. And for my outside hope, I want Sega to announce a new Skies of Arcadia.

@Green-clad Gamer Dude: They announced that they were working on a Zelda game already, so I doubt that is it. Though we may get some new information on it.

@Mr. Fap☆Fap!: If you ever figure that out, let me know.

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