@superbryant:

Why shouldn't they complain about it? The 360 version of TF2 should have worked. It should have been fun, it should have been easily updated. Same with the PS3 version, but Valve, Microsoft, and Sony all messed up in their own ways which screwed the console versions.

CCCombobreaker

"His main weapon..."

Unbeknownst to most, the Pyro is a girl.  There's a purse in her locker.  :)

tr67

Thank you for the weapons guys *takes on the mask* Mpfhmpfh mhhmpf mmmhhhhhhhhh

derFeef

@Murdoc: I feel the same way. There are some people who get the ubersaw by themselves(without a dedicated server to achieve it), but I can't help but feel that most of the people who get it just jumped on a server and cheated the system to get it. I pretty sure this will happen again with the Pyro's new stuff now.

drywaller79

Remember guys, what may seem unbalanced now will all be balanced in the next year or so when every character has had their update.

Ryumeka

Loved the achievements! OMGWTFBBQ! XD

CockroachMan

o and I wish you console players would quit complaining about the lack of updates for ps3 and 360....just get a computer...its much better in the long run anyways :)

superbryant

Sounds awesome, I love Pyros!

Poison

so we will be able to push sticky bombs away from doorways??.......sweet.....

superbryant

I wish they would update the PS3 version, but that sounds pretty unlikely....

spyker3292

I'm actually really pleased that they decided to add the alt-fire to pyros, without making it an unlockable...I love the game, but there's no way I have the time required to grind for that sort of thing.

FistyDollars

I'm already annoyed at the f@#$ head medics running around with their private server acquired ubersaws not healing anyone, I'm sure this will be no different.

Either upgrade all the classes at once or none at all.

Murdoc

@unangbangkay: Most of these achievements are cumulative, you could probably unlock two of the weapons just by playing regularly.

Ghede (Follow me for no raisin)

Flare gun, I knew it.

brokenscope

WOW.

artofwar420

Hmm... I see it being balanced as people are easily able to kill me from afar, so having a few of these upgrades wont be too bad.

Kaizuden

Are these all these things still locked to hitting achievements? If they are, how do they expect less active (read: less skilled) players to compete with the tweeners devoting their summers to finding the most ear-splitting curses to funnel through HLDJ when they "pwn" you?

Game and weapon balance is one thing, COMMUNITY balance is another.

unangbangkay

I've been looking forward to this... I love playing as a Pyro but they're pretty awful since they can rarely take people out without dying in the process...

StacMaster-S

I think the compression blast is a great idea; no more booby-trapped doorways! Demos are going to absolutely hate Pyros now.

AngryLagomorph

I'd like to think I'm a halfway decent Pyro... there upgrades sound like they are going to make me invincible.

Payback is going to be a bitch if all the other classes get upgrades like these.

Applekid

@zaky: I actually gave up on the 360 one. The game was great but the people were, well, XBOX Live people. Too many people who don't know/care what they're doing, not enough team players, too many Scouts. The game is just thousands of times better on Steam. People there are used to many years of collective team-based action and it shows.

jBusiness

Crap. I just sent this to the tip line, then noticed it was already up. -___-

jflav

Heheheheee...finally, a chance at revenge on those cursed soldiers! World domination shall surely be red teams. [Or blue teams, whichever I'm on] >.>

RJdog

@Dudemeister on the Run: Not sure what you're already snorting but TF2 is incredibly balanced IMO.

Fox

Pyros are already way too overpowered. This sucks. And what about 360!!!!!!?

zaky

It will probably be unbalanced until all the new weapons are released for all the classes.

CCCombobreaker

it won't be unbalanced at the beggining cos every one is gonna be a pyro

scruffy, the janitor

Quick question. Is this coming to the console versions too?

TheGreatestManThatEverLived

I love Pyro, so this is all very pleasing to me.

ShaggE

@marcus_ivo: I'll have some of whatever you're snorting.

However, I am liking the Pyro list, now I can finally rape some Soldier biznitches.

Dudemeister on the Run

WTF @ OMGWTFBBQ: Kill an enemy with a taunt.

I did not know that was possible.

Also, this one is great

BarbeQueQ: Cause a dominated player to leave the server.

The compression blast changes everything for pyros. This is good stuff.

Tetelestia

OMG, this is gonna be soo awesome! Can't believe it's arriving so early after the medic weapons.

Ricksterlau

Unbalanced? It's VALVE! They've spent months making sure that TF2 stays one of the most balanced games on the market! Relax, buddy...

marcus_ivo

I love the Pyro. H ehad no love in TFC, and I was usualy the only one playing as him backin the days. Now, theres much lvoe goign around for the guy! I feel Vindicated!

Anyway, the flare gun is little more then the classic Flare-RPG that we used to have in TFC and I miss a lot, its a wonderful tool to pull mini-rocket jumps (It was possible to bypass the middle of Well, for example) and very good to annoy camped snipers. Ill surely be lookign forward to trying it out, to see hwo well it fares comapred to the classic one.

Shiryu

SHIT! how am i supposed to own pyros as soldier now?!

@SpiritBoy: don't worry; at this rate it will all end up horribly unbalanced.

geekgrrl

Pyro has usually been my favorite, but I'm not sure if I'm liking some of these changes. I'll wait until I try it before I judge though...

KaneRobot

I hope this doesn't make the class over-powered.

Punishingwombat

Sounds.. horribly unbalanced.

SpiritBoy

I hate pyros so much. Is this all really necessary?

Captain_Collide

These achievements look wayyy easier than the Medic ones. Hope they change the Medic ones so it's not impossible to get the awesomesaw.

Aethyr

@September: I think that's one of the reasons the flare gun was introduced. All in all these changes will be for the better of the class and the game as a whole, I think.

I'm still waiting for the Engineer update. Does anyone know if Valve has announced who was next?

antialias02

Don't worry about balance issues, buddy, Valve's got an eye on you!

ThaiGrocer

May i remind everyone who only a few weeks ago said that the new medic update would make the game unplayable because: "Ubers will be so easy to get, No one will heal because they are too busy bonesawing WAHHHHHHH" But now a month or 2 later the game is still incredibly balanced.

Just my nickel's worth of sense in there

skelator316

For a moment there I was afraid that the pyro achievements were going to be mind-numbingly difficult as the medic ones were. I must say that I am pleasantly surprised. I could probably get most of these in just one weekend. Though there are a few that will most likely require a trip to a dedicated server to get done.

GARlock

I'll have to play it to know for sure, but just from reading the changes it appears that pyro might be a little over-powered (at least until more of the other characters get their updates).

I wonder if the backburner will be as flakey as backstab is.

phor11

Great! I've recently been getting into the Pyro, but find it frustrating that most times I find myself sacrificing my character in order to flame 1-3 people (sometimes killing them in the process or getting an assist). The other problem with Pyro is that they are EXTREMELY limited to close range--the compression gun sounds like a neat idea without overpowering the Pyro too much; I doubt it'll send the opponent flying backward, but enough to buy the Pyro some time to escape.

September

It may be slightly off balance... but I'd rather that than waiting 2 years for them to release just 1 massive update. This is how Valve needs to release all of their content - otherwise it'd take them 10 years.

robotleawesome

its balance imo....considering its pretty easy to die as pyro these days. time to teach those soldiers some lesson!!

McFazo

WOW
I WILL BE PLAYING THE SHIT OUT OF THIS CLASS

TheNocturnalSun

OMG BEST UPDATE EVER.

robotleawesome

@Fox: Indeed it is, but during this weekend, it won't be. Im expecting teams of 10 Pyros vs 10 Pyros. :)

Shiryu

@Captain_Collide: Hey, at least it's not the goddamn spies.

Honestly though, when do the console-people get these updates?!

GlazedDonut2186

I think they're picking the worst classes they could possibly choose to upgrade. Seriously, the pyro is already overpowered. You can get many times the kills in the same amount of time as a pyro compared with other classes. And the medic? They took a defensive class and turned it into an offensive one...

Hickeroar

As I has hoped, they included some achievements for burning sapper spies. Now I'm actually thrilled that people will be Pyro achievement-whoring, so people will actually start guarding my turrets (a principal Pyro responsibility). Bless you, Valve.

AtomicPlayboy

@Ehardergardens: See this.

[aimless-mace.deviantart.com]

It makes a lot of sense. :)

Dave Silva

I like the compressed air blast. Sounds like comedy gold, which is the pyro's real specialty. :)

Crashproof

@tr67: Pretty sure that belongs to the woman giving the announcements not the Pyro.

Ehardergardens

@zaky: haha, everyone I have ever heard complain about the pyro being OP has also only played the game on the 360 or PS3.

The compressed air blast sounds amazing; probably balanced with a recharge timer. I really hope I can do some "rocket" jumping with it. I will admit, the Backburner sounds a bit unbalanced, especially in the hands of a Pyro who was good before this fix.

BossMonk

@pulyx: Medics apparently got some sort of gun that absorbs health when you use it - I keep chasing Medics to kill them and instead they end up sucking up my life. :(

I hated Pyros a lot, this is going to make me hate them a lot more.

I just hope that Heavies get skates or something, because he's too gorram SLOW.

Dave Silva

Damn.
This is AWESOME.
But as a medic/engineer player, i am fearful for my life hahaha.

But i also play pyro every now and then.
Valve kicks ASS.

Prepare for CHAOS fellas.

pulyx

@crapsh00t
As one who hates soldiers with an burning passion, I'm getting a glowing and wonderful sense of impending triumph about this compressed air thing.

Dr_Love

MMMMMMMMMMF HMMF HMMF HMMF HMMF!

(Translation: This flare gun looks like it could do some damage...too bad the compressed-air blasts won't stop a Sniper's bullet.)

Frank

if you think that this makes the pyro unbalanced then you seriously need to uninstall the game.

Cuban__B

Pyro-farms are the new Medic-farms, I guess. It is kind of fun to go into one and take a wholly unrelated class and work against their OCD ways.

As one who primarily plays soldier and scout, I'm getting a dull sense of foreboding about this compressed air thing.

crapsh00t

This will make pyro more tactical to play instead of just running and gunning. imo.

spaz33

@CCCombobreaker: okay true I agree..... I was in a weird mood earlier and all the damn 360/ps3 comments were annoying me.....I'm good now :]

superbryant

@Flyingdebris: oh wow, haha, you've got me tripled

Hoboman725

@Pezdispenser: unless they replaced the gasoline container with rocket fuel, i dont think that's gonna happen :P

McFazo

I was pyro before it was cool.

I only say this because even though I have 50 hours of pyro in, I'll still get yelled at for being an achievement farmer tomorrow when I play.

Hoboman725

The compressed air thing probably isn't going to change too much of the fight between soldiers and pyros, usually happens is that a pyro gets the jump on the soldier, sets him alight, and the solider immediately aims a rocket at the ground blowing them both up, even if the soldier doesn't take the easy route the fights generally are so close range due to the nature of the pyro, that a person is unlikely to react in time to stop a rocket. The Compressed air thing probably would be the most helpful screening the team from randomly spammed rockets, knocking scouts and demoman grenades away from a desperately held points and turrets.

The Backburner however, that I can see seriously helping out a pyro. A good pyro approaches an opponent from behind and with the backburner and the extra 50 health point he can become a proverbial toastmaster.

mikemil828

I think the real question is, can I rocket jump with my compressed air?

Pezdispenser

@Hickeroar:You're joking right? The pyro is totally underpowered right now, it loses out to the soldier in every situation. Even in close quarters, the soldier is more likely to gib himself then die by your flame.

And the medic is still a support class. The achievements helped medics get out of their shell by encouraging some risky yet rewarding play.

hahnchen

The alt-fire is a total game changer.

But as a Soldier or Demo, it's going to suck donkeys this weekend. I wonder how this will pan out, flame on.

---

Some great achievements too. Killing an enemy with the Hadoken taunt is something to be encouraged. It'll never happen in play though.

hahnchen

as someone with 150 pyro hours, i can't hardly wait. Though now i'm totally torn over whether i want to use the backburner, as flanking and backburning are something i do regardless, and 50+ hp never hurts. Or if i want to shoo crit rawkets and demo grenades away. Decisions decisions.

It seems to m that out of all the achievements, 4 will require some bit of farming. Namely dance dance immolation (finding people taunting out in the open can be a pain as they usually only do it when they are safe) Got a light (spies usually don't stand still long enough to do the flicking the cig animation) omgtwfbbq (how the heck am i gonna kill someone with 1 point of damage from a taunt) and hotshot (reflecting a crit back is gonna be really hard due to the unpredictableness) Anything else will probably come with regular play.

Flyingdebris

I looked at the update site, and one of the achievements requires you to kill with your taunt (the haduken one)... HOW?!

Chozothebozo

[www.computerandvideogames.com]

Some additional details about the Pyro update.

In short: it will not be possible to Airblast-jump to great heights, you only need 15/20/25 achievments to get the weapons.

The_Phiphler

These ones look a lot more reasonable and fun to go for than the ones for the Medic, but I'll still probably farm most of them because I'm more interested in the new weapons.

I hope Valve will start letting achievements work on their own at some point. They're not so fun when you have to go through them to get to new content.

Syril

Finally, my favorite class will be a viable player.

Pantsman

85 hours on Pyro and love him to bits. Guaranteed crits from behind? Hell yes!! The class was so gimped at release that you were pretty much forced to work out how to hit people whilst they were not looking.

Alith

I just blew my pants at the flamethrowing alt-fire/Backburner alternate weapon. I hope the airblast can remove already dropped stickies so that Pyro can at least try to mitigate damage from stickies to SG's. I mean, even another Demo can do it better right now.

Saprol

@Flyingdebris: I think Dance, Dance, Immolation will be easier than you think. One word: Humiliation. During the post-victory time, the enemies taunt like crazy, because it's all they can do. And the crit rocket reflect? I think by the time you've gotten the others, you'll probably have stumbled across that one. It's a luck thing, I guess, so I can see a lot of people farming for it, but I'm not sure you'll need to.

Course, I farmed for a lot of my Medic achieves, but they were a lot harder.

Dangeresque: I know Gundam is dirty but I love 00

I laugh at everyone who moans and bitches over every move away from status quo. Shaking things up keeps the game alive and evolves the gameplay. For me, and I'm sure for many others, this will mean that the matches and levels we've played thousands of times will suddenly be new and challenging.

I for one welcome our new BBQ overlords.

HertzaHaeon

all the taunting achievements are just going to encourage more achievement farmers. I'd rather them all be ones that are possible through normal play and a few of them some pretty amazing circumstances

what's good is that there are achievements specific to certain game modes (except Goldrush, sadly).

outforprophets

@PaulMorel: Well, they teased them as "new maps showing the best of the community", in other words, the best of the already existing maps. Doesn't seem very deceptive to me. And I haven't played Turbine once.

Dangeresque: I know Gundam is dirty but I love 00

Every time I think I'm done with TF2, they do something to pull me back in.

This update looks awesome, but the tease of "2 new maps" was total BS. Who hasn't already played turbine 2 million times?

PaulMorel

If anything, that compressed air makes up for all those crit rocket gibs O_O

Junipersavin

Pyro's are so fucking overpowered and you all know it.

Look! No skillz lulz!

Anyways, can't wait to see what they give Spy's.

mowh

@Syril: Praise be to Enki! That's good. Because I am no where near driven enough to go for all thirty-five.

Coxswain

Wow these achievements are actually all attainable in regular play. That's good news.

LittleBlueWindow

@Coxswain: That won't be a problem this time, because you can safely ignore 10 of them.

Syril

@The_Phiphler: Oh, thank the gods. Now I don't even have to farm many of them.

Syril

man, I totally hope that this speed-of-release remains constant... new weapons every four-to-six-weeks would be great, even if it does mean we won't see the last achievement pack for a year or so.

@Chozothebozo: the taunt can do damage to an enemy in front of it, I think. It's not much - like 1 or 2 points. Maybe this is one of the changes in the upcoming patch, though.

IMO this is effectively the achievement that will put the axtinguisher out of most people's hands forever - especially my hands! Unless valve fucks up and resets my achievements again and then unlocks them all for me to make up for it.

Coxswain

The worst part about all this is that pyro was already one of my favorite classes, but now I won't be able to play as that class until the hype dies down a bit. I'm not about to jump on as the 8th pyro on a team.

incompleteunit

I can has be good with pyro now?

Comatose Turtle

2 new maps as well?! I'm soooo excited!

Br00klyn-Grenade

When the medic update came out I spent all night on an acheivement server. I actually saw the sun set, then rise rise again in a single TF2 session.
Guess I'm in for more insomnia now.

Wizzard

@TheGreatestManThatEverLived: probably not anytime soon.

i am completely stoked, i love the pyro.

salmonax

oh sweet... BURN *&#$^*#&$# AHAHAHA.

Can't wait to try for my first achievement run.

Para

Okay, so the pyro was already good, and all of this just makes him unessicarily better. The backburner for example is just like the old flamethrower, but it makes teh pyro stronger and more durable. WTF....

Saith17

Not unless they're successful enough to get the achievements in the first place.

unangbangkay

Pyros will lost any engagement unless he ambushes them, with this update, it would appear that Valve is changing the way people will be playing the Pyro all together

Flakor

Urgh...I can't WAIT until someone gets kicked from their team/clan because they haven't unlocked equipment.

Christ in heaven, we're already paying people to farm achievements that are pointless, what's more now that there are some with actual value.

This better not become a trend.

unangbangkay

WHY DOESN'T 360 GET THIS?

*cries manly tears of manliness."

lolToasty: Hates his username

The Pyro is my favorite offensive class, so this is good news to me. I still dislike having them tied into achievements though-- people are more worried about those than they are about winning (which is vicariously going to punish anyone who isn't playing a pyro right now), which is not what this game is about. Seems a little broken to me.

ShadowMoses

Wow the backburner is ridiculous sounding, you get crits if your hitting the guy in the back plus extra hp. For people who are good at pyro now, the lack of air blast is nothing.

fumar

Does This Update by chance grace the Ps3?

Barf#1

@incompleteunit: that's how it was for me when the medic pack came out, i got over it though. this will probably go by quicker, too, since most of these are easily achievable, unlike some of the medic ones.

salmonax

@unangbangkay: The teams / clans you play with are dicks.

Coxswain

@mikemil828: And then he busts out the Axtinguisher...

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

I got a lot of the medic achievements via "achievementbox_b3", but only because a vast majority of the medic achievements gave me a headache just thinking about trying to get them on a regular server. They just didn't sound like fun, and why should that exclude me from getting the unlockables? I've taken care of the ridiculous ones, and I'm getting the rest as I play normal games.

That said, I don't think I'll be doing any kind of "cheating" on the achievements for the Pyro - as they actually sound like a lot of fun to try to get!

PepsiPerfect

@unangbangkay: Actually Pyros get raped by pretty much everyone, especially soldiers and demos, even if they sneak up from behind. Thats why the stuff they gave them is to even the odds, otherwise pyros had no chances against those classes. If you don't think that then you haven't played the class enough or with good enough opponents.

jodark

@lolToasty: Hates his username: Because you're dollar whoring MS won't let Valve offer it for free on the system. HAHA sucks doesn't it.

jodark

I love this game and every time details on something new emerge it pleases me.

Replica23

@unangbangkay:
you know, the unlocked weapons aren't better. they just add more variety and interesting strategies.

i have all the medic weapons unlocked, but i prefer to keep using the original medigun instead of the kritzkrieg.

willyolio

I love you, Valve.

Snake726

The achievements seem a lot more reasonable compared to the medic ones. Can see myself completing a fair amount of those without too much trouble.

Jerian

@Snake726: haha ditto!

superbryant

I personally don't think that farming for achievements is such a bad thing. Actually, it helps to build community and teamwork in players. Some of the medic achievements require lots of participation from both teams even in achievement servers, such as Little Prick.

kneeofwisdom

they better make this update for the 360 or lots of people will be mad

cx4storm321