hottest WoW teen ever i bet... hey im an adult so nopedo

Zosic

FYI Pedofile = someone who finds people under 11 attractive.

This guy should have thought before he did what he did. I knoow people that have made similar mistakes and got their lifes screwed up because of it. Even hanging out with someone under 16 if you are over 21 is bad news!!

Sinnbox

He's free to OMGROFL all he wants now... in jail.

Green-clad Gamer Dude

Hopefully the parents wake up and realize what a skank their daughter is.

D00mM4r1n3

Wow. I want to comment, I really do. I read the news story, I read his wife's comments about the whole thing, and I am just a big bundle of shock right now.

It appears that this guy was an addict in many different forms, including online gaming. Maybe he felt he was being benevolent or heroic, perhaps it was just exciting to be doing something in the real world...it sounds like the girl was running from something awful (dad), but that may just be a story she told him.

I know most people aren't aware of the laws in this country, and the Mann Act certainly doesn't come up that often, but ignorance of the law is not a defense. Unless this 14-year old chooses to divulge her stories to the authorities, I foresee this guy being in a world of hurt.

Overall I feel sorry for him right now. His addiction to online gaming, his sad license plate, it just shows he was living a hollowed out, shallow existence. I can see a guy like this stepping up because it was an opportunity to make a difference in someone's life for real...and now he's going to discover that real life is in fact far more complicated than the online version.

No jokes here, I hope everything turns out alright for all involved. This is too sad.

Islandkiwi

@hikergirl: @

I haven't seen any difference between a 14 year old that flirts with me than a 42 year old that flirts with me. It depends on the personality.

href="#c5991648">Cipid: Plenty of 27 year old hang out with 14 year olds. And most higschool girls like the cute guys (even if they did just graduate highschool) You don't look any different when you graduate highschool and go to your freshman year of college. You've only aged by a couple of months.

From my experience (North Philly yeah!!; actually Center) all the girls hang out with there older brothers and hook up with their friends. It happens. The parenst don't mind because they have known the older brothers friends for a while so they can make a decision if it's ok for them to date their daughter. Or if they can't then the brother and his and her friends will cover for them.

It doesn't happen all the time and the gap isn't that high mostly, but it happens.

**** Again*** Not to say I'm defending him but since I don't know the circumstances completely, I think she should have let her parents know where she was going and he should have met the parents and be a gentleman.

But maybe I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Netnavi

I can't stand looking at that guy's face. I just want to punch him, and I'm not even a violent guy!

LittleBigPlaneteer

@Hemlock: i disagree. if this exact situation played out with my daughter, he'd be lucky i have such restraint. i'm super-duper cereal.

pasquinelli

@henhowc:
Because this weeks Kotaku has been brought to you by Microsoft LiveSearch, Cools Light, Wii Fit, and the letter k.

VishusBurn

Would like to hear the backstory on this one.
I think people gets too caught up in the pedophile discussion here and don't bother knowing what really happened.

Yes, it is plain wrong for a guy to pick a 14 yr old and just run away... but WHY did they ran away (if this is about escaping to have a relationship, I don't get it), and in which circumstances that happened.

And as hard as this might sound, I cannot discard the possibility that the idea of doing this actually came from the girl. It kinda surprises me that lots of people still have the misconception that 14 year olds are all naive and innocent.

I'm not supporting the guy's actions here, but I'm also not in favor of crucifying the guy without knowing what really happened.

You know, some people will say the worst things about 4chan and other similar websites, with so much rage I can picture them frothing and acting like the german kid... and they end up not realizing that the worst people using 4chan and others to spread rage and prejudice are just like them.

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

@henhowc:

I don't know, but those ads are leaving a bad taste in my mouth. I need to wash it out with the cool smooth refreshing taste of Coors Light. ;)

Pezdispenser

@Nexus6:

[en.wikipedia.org]

dead_red_eyes

@Netnavi:
@slyzxx786:

"Morgan Douglas Jones was arrested on kidnapping charges when Saddie "Elaine" Julian, just 14 years old, ran away with him on a trip FROM Boise, Idaho to Franklin County, Washington"

They didn't run TO Boise, Idaho, they ran FROM.

OMGROFL license plate is just sad. Really really really sad. Just as sad as hooking up with someone thru World of Warcraft ... or the internet for that matter.

dead_red_eyes

What's up with all the goof MMO related news lately?

Btw...why does Kotaku look like a big Xbox advertisement now? :)

henhowc

Also LOL at this quote in the article: "It is an interactive science fiction game allows participants to have voice-to-voice contact."

Nexus6

@ChemicalWedding:

To be fair, 4chan is generally against Pedophilia (and furries) and regularly sage to get rid of it. Don't ask why I know that, just know that I do.

Pezdispenser

WTF IS A MEME ?!?!

Nexus6

@Mister Adequate:
Yeah yeah yeah. I know you should not judge a book by its cover and all.
I'm just saying he does kinda look like a creep from his mugshot.

VishusBurn

OMG EPIC MOUNT!

liqideos

Yes, I agree with Netnavi on this one. This is a case of kidnapping in the same way that statutory rape is a case of rape. The law books themselves may use the term "kidnapping" to describe this kind of crime. That doesn't mean we have to. There's kidnapping... and then there's this. The girl was willing to accompany this guy. One can argue about legality and accountability, that's fine. But clearly REAL kidnapping is a more severe crime than whatever this guy did. Similarly using the label of pedophile to describe someone with an interest in a post pubescent teenager is inappropriate in its implication of severity as well. There's pedophilia and then there's this. There is a different word for people who are interested in post pubescent, but still youngish, teenagers, and that word is "Japanese."

I kid, there really is a more accurate term for that kind of thing though. It's rarely used. Look it up.

Hemlock

Wow, her parents have done a good job.

"come run away with me, lol"
"okz"

Klopfer123

Just read the article. WoW! The girl looks like she's 27. HAH And the guy looks about 37. LOL.

He didn't do anything to her and she ran away on her own. Not really kidnapping.

Netnavi

Once again, I must point out for the reading public that they were running away from Boise, not running to Boise.

Well, I can honestly say that I wish more info was released. Not ethical to judge without really knowing them and their situation IMO. At least they found the girl safe, and if they had been on the run for a week without any harm, then I doubt he would have done anything too serious. Of course, he shouldn't have taken her away on a trip in the first place, but what am I going to do about it? Nuttin'

Pezdispenser

@Kiden4911: yes it was.

pasquinelli

@Netnavi: When you make claims like "[It's] more like he was harboring or aiding a runaway." and "It's not like it was a real kidnapping. They just hung out together and the parents freaked.", it's really hard to not think you're defending the guy or at least making up excuses for him.

I mean, come on, dude, they just "hung out together"? When the fuck does a 27 year old taking a 14 year away from her parents and home sound like a good fucking idea? The guy is 27 years old for christ sakes. But you don't seem to have a problem with that seeing as you suggested that she should be flirting with college freshmen at her age. Wtf!?

Cipid

Wow he even has the pedo smile.

munkah

They must have used Microsoft Live Search.

Yuki

@TitillatedOcelot: You sir, just got my vote.

Vote for what? I don't know yet, but you have it.

Guizzy

@Netnavi: Are you female? I ask because I have been a 14 year old girl. Girls at that age can make stupid decisions. It's been going on for a long time. The difference in this day and age is the ability for people to easily connect with one another so that stupid decisions can easily escalate into something potentially dangerous. Since her family life hasn't been mentioned, I won't presume to judge that either or try to analyze why she made the decision she did. ;)

hikergirl

@Mister Adequate: Hey you know an intelligent twelve year old? Well why don't we make some special laws just for her? There's a huge difference between intelligence and emotional maturity. Besides that, law makers can't sit around hemming and hawing over each and every kid. That was my point. I managed to make mine without singling anyone out. Maybe you should get the twelve year old to teach you some manners. Better hurry, you only have two years before she can't help you anymore.

TitillatedOcelot

He should have known better to not mess, with a minor. It's just plain and simple knowledge to never mess with minors, because of the age, learning ability, and having to deal with parents. *sigh* And she is probably not even in high school! Hmm, both people should have known better. the end.

SpearXXI

A pedo that looks like Richard Christy. Shock.

Asper

@ChemicalWedding: How about you read the article first. He has a point, the report says the girl was willing to run away. The point isn't what he intended to do to her (which by the way he did not do), but the fact it wasn't a kidnapping in the first place.

Kiden4911

Ok. good license plate, but what were they planing on doing in Washington...I don't see any real evil in this, only rampant stupidity, though I suppose that's enough.

Tietsu

Guys like this give all those creepy sensitive ponytail guys a bad name.

Erwin

lol wut?

pasquinelli

@ChemicalWedding: AHHH!!!!Too many acronyms!!!

I'm not defending it (but only because it's illegal) I just think that if you are running away with some stranger you met online then your life is pretty shitty at home. And for a girl at 14 when at that age she should be out flirting with the guys her age (or even college freshman;it happens) she decides "hmm I think I'll go meet this stranger that I only know online and then runaway to Idaho"

I don't know the circumstances but I think it's moronic for both parties to meet someone online to runaway with that person. I don't think the parents are really being mindful of what thier kid is doing and she was easily manipulated. I think that if she was 18 that this wouldn't be a story even though it was the same circumstances. Parents need to teahc thier kids not to be stupid at any age.

And I don't get my pants in a bunch because "OMG sex!!" I get pissed that people make bad decisions. At any age.

Netnavi

What a choob....

RazorandBlade

@TitillatedOcelot: Agreed. You gotta draw the line somewhere, and this guy was over it. Call it arbitrary, I don't give a shit - it's necessary. Ah, we never had these problems with high-level EQ. Did we?

zibby

@VishusBurn: Well shit, I never did know you could identify criminals by their appearance. You should talk to the cops about that, I bet they'd be very happy to learn how much easier their lives could be.

@TitillatedOcelot: I know a twelve year old who is going to lose a hell of a lot of her intelligence over the next couple of years, in that case. Or I could paint with a very precise brush and say that you have no clue what you're talking about.

As to the article, instead of the bumblefucks commenting on it (A category I will be the FIRST to include myself in.), the man obvious did some retarded shit, and should have seen from miles and miles away that this was a dumb idea. On the other hand, we do try to presume innocence until guilt is proven, so I'm not going to get out my lynchin' mob just yet.

Mister Adequate

@Grimmjow Jeagerjaques: I've sent him a few emails, and I'm contemplating an online petition to get him to dye his hair brown.

Voteforme2020

There is this urge to comment, but absolutely nothing comes to mind. The story is hilarious without my help.

dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased

@Netnavi: Wow, for real, dude?

Cipid

He does look like a pedo.

KM91

@ChemicalWedding:
Pedophilia =/= 4chan
Seriously.

Drei

@ChemicalWedding: Amen.

@Makoto: You say that like it's a bad thing. We can be thankful he's a complete moron.

Cipid

@Voteforme2020: Tell that to Axl Rose

Grimmjow Jeagerjaques

ROFL

Grimmjow Jeagerjaques

Redheads: In the future, please dye your hair before you do something stupid.

Voteforme2020

@Netnavi: I respectfully disagree. 14-year-olds are idiots. All of them. The only difference with some of them is that they REALLY beleive that they aren't. I'm sure she thought she was being all grown up by leaving with this perv, and that she knew enough to be doing so. Chances are she'll be an idiot until she's 21 and maybe longer that that. This is assuming she stops running off with Orcs until she reaches that age. Am I painting with a broad brush? You betcha! When it comes to kids (and a 14 year old is a kid) you have to.

TitillatedOcelot

I don't see him defending anyone...

Al3xandr0s

They were internet girlfriends. He claims she was 18 according to his exes post on SomethingAwful

[forums.somethingawful.com]

riffleraffle

omgrofl? OMGROFL!!!!

diodegrey

oohh.. your NOT supposed to runaway with the underage kids you meet online

Rockwallaby

Oh nevermind. Jesus Christ, how did I not see "Pedobear Alert". STOP USING 4CHAN SHIT. IT'S NOT COOL. IT'S NOT "SPECIAL". IT IS RETARDED SHIT FOR PEDOPHILES.

ChemicalWedding

And a meme is born...

grizz8884

@Netnavi

Pretty much what I was going to say.

Not sure he's a pedo. There could be a billion details that this article didn't cover, like for example, why the girl would want to leave home with some dude. Could've been a rough home, or she could've just been rebellious (as many teenagers her age are) and told a WoW friend "If you come get me, I'll go to Boise with you" etc.

It's still wrong, but it's not kidnapping.

priscabel

@Netnavi:
Are you seriously trying to defend a 27 year-old WoW player taking a 14 year old cross-country in his "1337" van to do God knows what? You 'spergin a bit man? Someone let you out of the GBS?

ChemicalWedding

I admit I didn't read the article. And I don't feel like it either.

Netnavi

I'd also like to state that I'm glad Kotaku hasn't been posting 4chan memes in it's newposts in a while. I knew I liked this site.

ChemicalWedding

But if it's a runaway case then it shouldn't be a kidnapping case. More like he was harboring or aiding a runaway.

Everyone is so caught up on "OMG pedo shit!" to think clearly. It's not like it was a real kidnapping. They just hung out together and the parents freaked. With good reason though.

The girl is old enough to know better though. At least she should. Even if they were both the same age, you don't go with someone you met online anywhere. You meet in a very public area and make sure you let all your family know and get a picture of the person and email it back home.

I don't think this would have been a story if the girl was over 18. Not like you learn much in those 4 years.

Netnavi

hay a grl! letz cyber!!

TitillatedOcelot

Why did it have to be a red head? Don't we get enough negative attention?

Voteforme2020

that's a unique license plate. a 101 101 would be a good plate so does LOL

PogiJet

@rockasocky: man that year of law school has made me a nerd... even moreso than before, that is.

This guy looks totally gross, btw.

rockasocky

Interstate transport of a female for immoral purposes...yeah this guy might actually be in FEDERAL trouble.

rockasocky

When pedophilia meets idiocy... *sigh*

Makoto

@slyzxx786: u mean who doesnt run away FROM boise idaho

rofl at his license plate.

Truepatriot

This is one raid he'll regret.

Clarke

Certainly looks like a perv.

@Shocky:
Epic indeed. What a waste of such a cool vanity plate.

VishusBurn

He better be a tank for where he's going.

ittekimasu

So, the typical "/b/tard". Glad to see one less "Anonymous" pedo in the world.

ChemicalWedding

@Shocky: Like excessive caps, right?

arcanearts101

WTFOWNED.

Tyber_Zann

What the story doesn't tell you is that he was Horde and she was Alliance. Another case of racism in the police force.

Forkball

pedoninja?

entro

Lol who runs away to Boise Idaho ?

slyzxx786

OMGROFL ON THE LICENSE PLATE?

EPIC!!!

Shocky

@I Think We're Property: lol I hope not. If the guy is nut's then I hope he gets help. No one should be actively trying to hook up with girls that young. I just feel that there are exceptions to the rule. My mom had me real young and my dad was about 10 years older than her. They stayed together till he died. Sometimes the age difference isn't important.

I'm sorry that the people you know are creepy but I like to think about all aspects of the human nature. Not everyone is cut from the same stuff.

@Cipid: Well they call it jailbait for a reason. Around that age SOME 14 year old girls LOOK like they are much older into their 20's. These girls have been around the block a couple times and no how to deal with men. They don't like guys their age because they can't handle them. Girls like that want men. These are the girls that are really shallow and are golddiggers and will end up making the mistake of getting pregnant early.

If a guy in his 20s looks at someone that has big breasts a fat ass and talks like they know a thing or two then I wouldn't blame the guy for falling for false advertising. If it walks like a duck...etc.

Ever been to a club? You think all the girls there are over 18? You might be surprised.

Netnavi

@I Think We're Property: Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that guys in their late 20's hanging out with 14 years isn't normal.

Cipid

LOL, marry that girl.

Berith

@TitillatedOcelot: To clarify my previous post (and to strip it clean of sarcasm) about 14-olds-being "idiots". I say this because I was an idiot at the age of 14. I sure thought I knew my shit at that age. In my mind, I knew it all, and my parents were morons. If they told me not to do something, it never entered my mind that they might be right. I just saw them as imposing harsh and unfair restraints on my fun. I challenge anyone who lived past the age of 14 and into their 30s to look back at when they were a teenager and not say "Man, I was an idiot!".

I'm sure a lot of us can think of kids in this age group that seem advanced when compared to other kids. I pose this question to you: Would you be comfortable with that young person travelling with a 27-year-old they met over the internet without you there to chaperone? I sincerely hope that most people would say no.

This is what I meant when I said "all 14 year olds are idiots". I don't mean they're actually running around drooling all over each other. I simply mean that they think they're a lot more ready for life than they are in actuality. Getting pineed in an alleyway by a net-stalker is a hell of a way to find this out.
And to you
Mister Adequate, If I ruffled any feathers by stating that so brusquely (or in my initial response to you) I apologize.

TitillatedOcelot

@Netnavi: "Plenty of 27 year old hang out with 14 year olds."

Whaaa...? Why? That's just plain creepy and really doesn't make sense. I can see how a 14 year old would be attracted to an older male and want to hang out with them. The problem I have is what interest would a 27 year old have in a 14 year old? I, as I'm sure many other guys have had a younger girl swoon over them, follow them around, attempt to flirt with them etc. But I, and I would assume most, would not be interested.

First off, for a 27 year old to be sexually attracted to a 14 year old is just plain wrong and I shouldn't even have to explain why. And how about the mental attraction? How can you be attracted to or relate with someone who's mental and emotional maturity are much less than theirs? I know there are some mature children/teenagers out there but they lack worldly experience especially compared to a 27 year old. A 14 year old being attracted to a 27 year old? Completely normal. The other way around? Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

If you're attracted to 14 year olds at 27 it says something about your own mental maturity and/or state.

Cipid

@Netnavi: You are really creeping me the hell out, now.

The last guy I knew who was 19+ and liked to hang out with high school freshman girls was a budding sociopath who enjoyed deflowering and emotional manipulation. But then again, I don't live in North Philly.

Now I'm kinda glad.

I Think We're Property

@Zosic: She does look hot. That's why I wonder why she would have gone for someone on WOW. Shouldn't she have had some other guys that have been chasing her (her own age) Maybe the guys at 14 are to immature for her and she wanted someone older that "gets her"

And really if she walked up to me and said she was 18 , judging by the picture I would have never been the wiser.

He got took the jailbait and he's paying for it unfortunately. The laws are very black and white and they should have some common sense in this. He didn't do anything to her as far as the article states.

Though if he was an addict like the poster above said then the licsense plate combined would show his maturity. Girl made a bad friend making decision. Look like neither of them are in their right mind though.

Netnavi

And this is why Wii has friend codes and no voice chat. Not that I'm happy about it. :(

ridleysaria

I came. Hard.

Such an awesome concept. I can't wait to see Fox News reporting on this new, cutting-edge tool for internet predators.

tzaketh

@D00mM4r1n3: ¬¬

hikergirl

@hikergirl: crap my whole comment got deleted.

Any way no I am a guy and within my experience between girls of all ranges they are manipulated just the same at any age.
Girls are emotional and don't think things through when it comes to making relationships with people. The good guy they met will be boring to them and the bad guy they met would be the one they want because he's exciting. Just make it exciting for a girl and she will follow. Maybe the girl wanted a rush. Meeting a stranger on the internet is scary ( at least to me) you never know who it will be. But for girls they don't usually think about that. Especially if you are conditioning them with your words (OMG that sounds horrible; but it is true) And you can do this with any girl any age. Girls like the excitement. She must have been bored or something or not have many friends (guy friends) outside of school.

Netnavi

@Netnavi: Hang on a second. You originally said, "Plenty of 27 year old hang out with 14 year olds." And you gave an example of guy's sisters hooking up with their friends in college. Now you're saying, "Oh, but if there's a young girl in a club who looks older, well, it ain't called jailbait for nothing." There's a big difference between those two. First you were suggesting that it's alright and common (in bizzaro-land?) for 27 year old men to not only hang out with 14 year olds, but to hook up with them. Then you made it sound like, "oh but the guys get tricked by the busty looking 14 year olds in clubs". Come on, just come out and admit you like litter girls already.

Cipid

Netnavi there is something wrong with you if you defend a 27 year-old running away with a 14 year-old. There's no gray area. There's no "benefit of doubt". If you had half a brain and an inkling of common sense and normal human emotions, you'd know what that man did was wrong. The fact that so many people have to explain this to you makes me really wonder about you.
@Pezdispenser:
You must be going to a different 4chan that the one I used to frequent since about 2003. Back then I went to /m/ for mecha renders for my graphic arts but now, ugh, the whole place is overrun with this "Anonymous" nonsense. Also, no, you are wrong, pedophilia is quite highly accepted and sought after on that site. It saddens me that our edior Michael McWhertor seems to know about this "pedobear" meme.

ChemicalWedding

You know, as fun as it is to randomly speculate and project possibilities onto the case, I would just ask whether Saddie feels "safe and unharmed" or defeated, and what conditions are like in the home she was brought back to.

Of course the laws operated exactly as they were designed to regardless of questions of morality.

fuchikoma

So close to launching his magic missile, but yet so far away.

evilcartman

@TitillatedOcelot: exactly! That's all I'm saying. Guys have to be careful. It's not that all guy actively seek out girls that young but if the girl looks hot and she lies about her age then what can the guy really do? He shouldn't get into trouble because the girl lied. Or have people label him unfairly.

Now if she says she's 14 and has a body of a 20 something then I wouldn't blame the guy if he gets hard but it's then a case of "looky looky, no touchy"

Netnavi

could WoW players be ANY easier to stereotype?

heydanbud

@TitillatedOcelot: Yeah I agree with you on that. I would never feel comfortable if I had a daughter doing that. Though hopefully my kids would know better than to meet people online.

I knew better when I was 14 NOT to go into some strangers car or make friends with the guy the older man/woman that hangs around the school. That's just common sense.

Netnavi

@liqideos:

You win....

Scruffylookin13

It was hard sending this in, the OMGROFL bit had me crying in such laughter I couldn't see the "Send" button in Outlook.

BTW: The Chevy Aveo was Yellow.
[www.westherr.com]

The guy might as well have driven her around in an Oscar Mayer Weiner car or even for that matter why not Pink PedoVan with "Free Candy" written in 70s typography?

The guy is definitely not the sharpest tool in the shed.

Patient

@Netnavi: Yeah, that grey area you speak of is a dangerous place. I used to work at a bar, and a girl that was in there all the time took a buddy of mine (one of the bouncers) home. He was 25. She said she was 23. Her ID said she was 23. Did I say her ID? I meant her older sister's ID. The whole time she hung out there (and she was there every night for months) she actually went by her sister's name. Several years after the fact, my buddy not only found out her real name, but also that she was 17 at the time. Now, in Canada, 17 won't get you any jail time. But the same story in the states might have ended a guy. The courts won't even consider that she had a fake ID. Buyer beware!

TitillatedOcelot

Again this is from what I have seen and experienced with the girls in my life. Having a whole crap load of female cousins and living with your mom and grandmom will really let you see how girls behave around the guys that they like.

I don't think it's a normal thing for a 20 something guy to actively seek 14 year olds but sometimes people meet, however people meet, and shit happens. If the people are happy together and the relationship (even friendship) works then I won't get myself all irate about it. Just treat your girl right and girls , treat your man right and everything's gonna be alright.

I know a lot of you will have misconstrued what I've said above and earlier. But whatever.

Netnavi

@ChemicalWedding: Not condoning what the guy did, but you assume he was aware of her true age where if you check out her picture, its clear to see she could've easily lied that she was 18.

Sounds more like a case of bad luck than anything.

belo

I read the article, saw the photo and while the girl definitely doesn't LOOK fourteen, she also certainly doesn't look any older than eighteen, at the highest. More like sixteen. And at any rate, this guy had to have known this was impermissable. I remember being twenty and dating someone who was twenty-seven or twenty-eight and when I look back on it I just laugh, because I was still such a kid compared to her. It was indecent-- nine years isn't too much to ask when you're thirty and dating someone who's thirty-nine, but when you're twenty-seven and she's eighteen? That should be off limits. So even if she had been legal, this guy is an idiot.

wild homes

lol I wish I could just delete my comments. I does sound bad if you don't read it correctly.

Netnavi

@Markez: did you read the article. Her picture is up there. She looks much older than 14.

And I know that that isn't the norm but it happens. Not alway but sometimes I don't condone it but I see it happening. Sheesh people!

You guys never knew a girl that dated a guy that was in college!? You never had the school slut!?

It fucking happens. Get your heads out of the sand and look around.

Netnavi

@Cipid: My point is that there are different situations for every person. I don't see things as black and white. I see you've live a sheltered life and don't know what's going on with the children of today and that they are hooking up with older men whether you like it or not.

I won't have a knee jerk reaction to that situation and will rather wait to see what all the circumstances are.

And to insinuate that "you like litter girls" (your spelling mistake) is offensive and horrible.

But maybe that's your knee jerk reaction because you really didn't comprehend what I wrote. I don't condone it but I'm not gonna be irate if it happens because not everyone is the same. That's why laws vary from region to region. What's fine for you may not be for me. The laws aren't perfect and but what the police did was right. Their job is to protect the innocent and then ask the questions. I'm glad the girl is safe and if there was mal intent from the guy then he should go to jail. From what I see there was no mal intent implied. The only thing is the age difference. The parents freaked (rightfully so) because they couldn't find her. I don't know all the details so I don't get crazy about it.

But I knew what I wrote was gonna be taken the wrong way. I don't blame you.

Netnavi

@Markez: Thank God, someone with some sense.

Cipid

@Netnavi:

No, no, no. Plenty of 27 yr olds DO NOT hang out with 14 years olds, you're an idiot. Any respectable 27 yr old with a life, DOES NOT hang out with 14 yr olds.

@riffleraffle:

His ex posted that he thought she was 18??? WHO CARES, when this loon picked her up he'd realize she was a young little girl, right??? Good god, people.

Markez

@ChemicalWedding: Be careful. I had a friend who had his account banned here because he expressed his distaste for when an editor used a meme in an article. I think it's pretty tacky myself, but don't tell anyone I said that. Don't want to get banned for expressing my opinion now.

Cipid

@Kiden4911: @Cipid: I agree. It came out the wrong way and it wasn't my intention to say that it was "the norm" or that it was okay. In my experience I know of girls that young hanging out with 20 somethings (never knew the exact age) and they were together for years. One had akid and the other broke up.

it's not the norm but it happens. Times are not the same as they were even 10 years ago. Girls are more grown up at an earlier age and can make bad decisions if they and the parents aren't careful.

So yeah, it's creepy to think about but it happens and sometimes it works for them. Though I would be a lot more vigilant and cautious with my daughter (or son ;lets not forget about the boys) if she was that young. Heck even if the age difference was 5 minutes apart I'd be protective.

Kids are really a bunch of hoodlums these days.

Also not everyone has the same luxuries to afford a car or move out of the house whenever they want. Sometimes people are trapped. Usually financially.

Netnavi

@ChemicalWedding:
Anonymous is the default poster name. It's been overrun with that since people started posting there.

elevenoverzero

It's Richard D. James!

The_Catalpa

That license plate sounds too good to be true. I wonder if they're going to make a special prison number for him (the one that they make you hold when they take your mug shot) to, "OMGPWNED".

Tenchuu

@Netnavi: I'm sorry if you were just trying to say that stuff like that happens. I understand that it. Of course stuff like that happens. It's just not how I read it. It sounded like you were trying to justify it.

I mean "Plenty of 27 year old hang out with 14 year olds." is a pretty bizarre statement.

@wild homes: Well, that sort of brings up another question... if he thought she was 18, why would he have to aid her in running away from home? I mean, surely she would have her own car or at any rate just be able to move out of her parents house on her own if she had problems living there.

We'll have to wait for the rest of the details before we pass judgment but I really can't think of a very good excuse on his part.

Cipid

While I don't agree with Netnavi in that lots of 27 year olds hang out with 14 year olds, I still maintain this isn't a kidnapping. Creepy? Yes. Retarded. Definitely. Kidnapping? No way. The girl VOLUNTARILY went with him. That by itself rules out kidnapping imo.

Kiden4911

I had a real creepy experience on WoW. Some random guy just started pming me you're so hot, I see you at school all the time getting all the way up to asking me for nudes. I reported his ass real quick and let him now I'm a grown man that doesn't think pedophilia is sexy. Because of the constant whiners and complainers that play, WoW limits your total number of characters you can type and I wasn't able to explain the situation all the way and say something bad was going to happen unless the nip that behavior in the bud.

Final

@wild homes: I dated a 42 year old once when I was 20. She was a nice and we stayed together for 4 years. The age difference was never an issue and even then I felt and still feel like I was more mature than her.

9 years to me is a very small age difference IMO. After you've graduated highschool. The whole world of girls your age and older are open to you. I do like older girls though. More experienced in bed.

Netnavi

@ChemicalWedding: yeah it was posted alot and pretty much everytime it was deleted and the user banned. I think theres something people need to understand, /b/ is not 4chan. /b/ is a part of 4chan, but there are plenty of other areas on 4chan that are not completely filled with retardation. /b/ is random shit thats it, if you dont like it move along. Personally I rarely even go in /b/, but i browse 4chan almost every day. Theres plenty of other things to look at and discuss on 4chan besides your "CP" which honestly doesnt get posted nearly as much as you are letting on.

Detre

Btw why watch your son if hes scoreing on a hot 20 yearold when hes 14 should he be given props???He should lol

GregoriRasputin

@jello44:
You must be new there. "CP" as it is called was posted a lot as far as I know, and the whole "partyvan" as sick as the pedophilia thing is, is only a joke the pervs make to scare people like you from downloading some child porn.

ChemicalWedding

This dude is probably gona be receiveing alot of man loving behind bars.This is a perfect example of a relation made in stupidity.We should be greatful the chick didnt get raped for the dudes sake and the girls lol

GregoriRasputin

@elevenoverzero:
I'm not as dumb as you think I am. Sorry broheim. I know that you're default posting name is anonymous, but you seem to have me for a fool. The "Anonymous" group of losers that I'm talking about are the ones who post such winners are "EPIC FAIL" and can't forget about this gem "MOAR". They are also the people who dress up in Guy Fawkes masks and "IRL raid" Scientology centers. If you still don't understand, I'll put it this way; anonymous is a name you use on the site, "Anonymous" are a bunch of children who think they are smart and special.

ChemicalWedding

@ChemicalWedding:

No, it isn't. Pedophilia is banned, and if caught posting it there, you get your ip traced and reported to the authorities.

First Global Rule : Do not upload, post, discuss, request, or link to, anything that violates local or United States law. This will be severely punished and strictly enforced.

jello44

Personally i think pedophelia is way way to strong of a word for this. What this guy did was definitely dumb as hell, but the article itself mentions nothing of a sexual nature so why is it ok for everyone to jump to the conclusion that he is a pedophile? Pedophile is a termed usually used for those sexually attracted to pre-pubescent children, not 14 year old girls who look nothing like children.

Detre

The scientology-protestor Anonymous are not the same animal as the /b-tard Anonymous anymore. There's some overlap, but the protestors are in it more from a sincere conviction of doing the right thing than for the lulz at this point.

Valatar

he looks like the stereotypical nerds that has no life

darktorns

Let me be the 382nd person to say something along the lines of: If like 1/8th of the population of the freaking world plays WoW... how is it worth being specific in this ... oh right we can somehow blame the video game again.

Gwydeon

Does anyone know for sure that this guy had ill intentions? The sparse details in the article didn't touch on the girl's motivations for ditching her home; for all we know she wasn't running to have illegal sexings with a WoW nerd, she was running from an abusive home situation. People are quick to assume the most lewd possibility, when the guy might not be some crazed sex offender, but a poor sucker who thought he was saving a friend in distress.

Things being what they are, he quite probably was a crazed sex offender, but it would be nice if people didn't automatically assume that's the only possibility in any given situation.

Valatar

Anybody who dates someone much younger needs therapy. Seriously you do. I know my best friend's cousin was going out with some guy who lied about his age when he was like 25 and she was 16. I hate guys who sink so they go after children instead. Reading earlier posts about if a girl has a body of 20 year old when she is 14 doesn't make anything right. If you agree with that I feel bad for you because you are the type of guys parents to protect their children from. God gave you a brain, use it damnit.

Fireblast

@ChemicalWedding:

Do you know WHY they are protesting Scientology?

jello44

#ittekimasu: Brilliant.

TC

@ChemicalWedding:

Nope, been going there for a long while, CP was NEVER allowed on the site. The thing was, posting CP would mean the "partyvan" aka FBI would come after you.

@Detre:

^THIS

jello44

Everyone talking about 4chan and SA can totally, you know, not talk about it. No one cares if people are "the cancer that is killing /b/" or "sperg'n outta GBS." Don't bring that poo poo in here. What kind of pedo (I know 4chan doesn't = pedo, but seriously, it's pedo) or neckbearder you are doesn't matter here on Kotaku. Keep it in the pants. =|

As for this story, young kids do stupid stuff. This guy was clearly in the wrong because wtf, man. I mean, hey, I like young girls just as much as the next guy (who likes young girls) does, but that doesn't mean you throw them in your car and gas it. If you're 27 and you think it's ok to "take this girl out" then you seriously aren't thinking straight.

Channing

@Fireblast:
If he was deceived to believe that she was 18 and she wanted to "get away" then he would have picked up her up just like any other girl he met.

It's about intent. Since there was no sexual activity that took place then we can assume (since we don't know all the facts) that his intention was not kidnapping as he was lead to believe that she was an adult.

Though the law doesn't take common sense and conditions of the situation into account and makes everything black and white.

Netnavi

@Valatar: That is a possibility. Doesn't change the fact he kidnapped her though. He still did if he drove to where she was.

Fireblast

This can only be described as epic lulz.

Sabre_Justice: Okay, no more long name.

Cocaine is a helluva drug...

Knoxximus (360/PSN)

@Tyber_Zann: Nice.

When I was 15, a guy I met online flew across the country to meet me. Golly gee, would my parents have killed me if they knew. He stayed at a hotel in town and I contrived to have coffee with him all of twice (I have been a coffee drinker since the age of 5... maybe that's why I'm so bitter).

Anyway, he was stationed overseas and we lost contact. No harm was done. He never hit on me or anything. Would I approve if I had a child who did something so ridiculously dangerous? No. No, I wouldn't. I'm really freaking lucky.

Cola82

@ChemicalWedding:
"I'm not as dumb as you think I am. Sorry broheim. I know that you're default posting name is anonymous, but you seem to have me for a fool."

(sigh)

elevenoverzero

@ChemicalWedding: "I'm not as dumb as you think I am. Sorry broheim. I know that you're default posting name is anonymous, but you seem to have me for a fool. The "Anonymous" group of losers that I'm talking about are the ones who post such winners are "EPIC FAIL" and can't forget about this gem "MOAR". They are also the people who dress up in Guy Fawkes masks and "IRL raid" Scientology centers. If you still don't understand, I'll put it this way; anonymous is a name you use on the site, "Anonymous" are a bunch of children who think they are smart and special."

/b/ hates protestfags
LURK MOAR

kalim4c

@ChemicalWedding:
raaaaaaage

kalim4c

This discussion was informative untill you guys took a turn and made it into a pissing contest. No one asked for a chan - discussion here, and arguing about it isn't going to make you or me cooler. Drop it.

As for the article, I'd hope that this gets looked into carefully. The US seem to be quite fast with their 'pedophile' accusations. I remember someone from here (belgium) that travelled to America to meet someone he met on the internet. The girl said she was 18 and wanted to meet, so he flew all the way over there.

When he actually got in America and tried to meet up with the person he thought was 18, the police took him away and painted him as a pedophile everywhere. Even the bigger news-stations made a report there. While that was happening, all we could do in Belgium was to sit in disgust. If that is how your legal system works, you can keep it.

It didn't end there though. This has happened over a year ago, and the guy is still being prosecuted. Every time for different charges. He is back in Belgium, but that doesn't change the fact that his live is effectively ruined. The biggest problem is that the GIRL sent the GUY naked pictures, but that this guy is now taking the flak for it.

It was pretty stupid of him nontheless, but these mindless mobs shouting 'pedophile' everywhere should really shut up. As long as the full story isn't known, and as long as this guy is going to be portrayed as evil without knowing the full intentions, you could as well be ruining someones perfectly 'normal' life.

marlblank

To start off with, I'm not advocating what the guy did at all. But you have to love the one sided emphasis on him as the big bad guy. In the press they hardly ever even mention how stupid it was of the girl to do this. Conclusion: They're both idiots.

Odin

World of Warcraft is mentioned 3 times in such s small news. Too much for something that actually has nothing to do with the kidnapping. Likewise, the two could met in any other MMO game, an online chat or a social network.

Yes I know using the title is more appealing to reader, but there should be some justice in the world.

Stanium

"They met in an online fantasy game"
You've gotta love how the try to make everything sound pathetic.

Ximba

@Ximba:

In retrospect, isn't the whole internet really just 'an online fantasy game'. I fail to see how it could make it any less pathetic or irksome if they had met on IRC, Facebook, Livejournal, or the like.

Maybe even Neopets. Ooh, now THAT would be scary! D=

Byakko

Well this seems like more of a statutory kidnapping, than a held-down-in-the-back-of-a-van-with-a-gun-to-your-head kind of kidnapping.

Sam_Lowry

R.Kelly gets away with it and this man goes to jail after giving everyone a good laugh. This system is messed up.

NattyIce

Why don't you have a seat Mr. Jones?

Ricemaniac

Awesome. Pure to the word. LOL. *falls over*

Replica23

@Drei: Pedophilia =/= 4chan. That is true.
Pedophilia = /b/. That is ALSO true.

Eranmane

Holy cow! He looks just like a guy I used to work with at college who used to play WoW a lot too. I was majorly creeped out for a minute.

battra92

You know, it might be a good idea to ask for a scanned picture ID of a girl you meet online before meeting her in this day and age. Of course it could be Photoshopped, though.

What's an online pimp supposed to do? Only meet girls that look old?

Iron Man

@Netnavi: Are you fucking blind? That girl looks nowhere near 27. At best she could pass for 16.

Whats with all the people questioning the motives behind this case? He's fucking 27 and she's 14. He picked up and took across state lines. I doesn't matter what her reasons were why she left. Thats like saying," Oh, I know the kid killed the othe kid but the real question is WHY he did it." I've heard the next line in this bleeding heart retroric before," Oh, its media, TV, music and games made him do it."

One other thing: to all the people taking about how 14 year old are " smart and responsible" you are fucking clueless. Teenages may be intelligent in some aspects but for the most part they don't know shit about life. Spend some time around teenages that aren't living in your house and you'll quickly change your opinion on them.

Metropolis

i see epic raids of his dungeon were hes going

phatnacky

@Metropolis: @Fireblast: You guys have made the most sense from what I've read.

Kanik

Cartman must have told him to take her.

Gray665

I predict at least eight new guilds with the name "OMGROFLVAN" within a week.

Meangirl

@avenger339: First of all, Prohibition was the 1950's, dumbass.

Secondly, you're wrong, and possibly a nazi.

Jakuub

1) I don't know how people in the 1870's lived without the cold activated freshness of Coors Light.

1870's was when prohibition was, right?

2) Maybe that reasoning sucks, but I'm right.

avenger339

@avenger339: You're so closed minded man - just because the GOVERNMENT says it's against the law doesn't make it "teh evils!" - You clearly enjoy the cold, refreshing flavor of Coors Light, and yet during prohibition, that was Illegal, according to our government.

I'm not saying that what this guy did was right, but the "it's illegal, end of story" line of reasoning doesn't work for me.

Jakuub

This comments section leaves me wondering about humanity.

It doesn;t matter if the kid threw herself in the dude's arms and said "take me away", the reality is that he ran away with a 14 year old girl. That is illegal, there's no if's and's or but's about. Doesn;t matter if it "feels right", or if you love the other person - you broke the law. Period.

Someone said earlier that this wouldn't have been a sotry if she wasn't 18. You're absolutly right - it wouldn't have been kidnapping then.

Also, Netnavi, It's still wrong to hook up with girls at clubs that are underage, definatly. Just because you are ignorant doesn't mean that you are excused. However, the thing wasn't that this guy met her and thought she was 20 - Regardless of if he thought she was over 18 when he talked to her, it should have been pretty damn obvious that she wasn't over when he met her, and that makes him a criminal.

Also -

"From my experience (North Philly yeah!!; actually Center) all the girls hang out with there older brothers and hook up with their friends. It happens. The parenst don't mind because they have known the older brothers friends for a while so they can make a decision if it's ok for them to date their daughter. Or if they can't then the brother and his and her friends will cover for them."

1) HILARIOUS you pointed out Philidelphia.

2) A parent decides it's ok for people to date or an older man to hook up with a child?

3) This is, without a doubt, the creepiest thing I have ever read on ANY Gawker sites.

avenger339

And they Cybered all their way to Washington. Until the Ban Bots came.

King Seafoam

Grandpa's grandpa married a 14 year old when he was 27. Times change. These days it sends you straight to jail.

Come to think about it, I support that change. After all, AJ and Mary Margaret married around 1867. What's appropriate then is not what is appropriate now. And her parents didn't like the match.

Chilly Hollow

Oddly, I live in Boise, and have seen said license plate ... I'll remember it belongs to a Pedobear ...

der13manner

what are they planing on doing? play wow together?

Ken

idk how i feel on it...yes shes only 14, but she did go willingly and had part in the planning of it. if there charging her with running away, how can they charge him with kidnapping. did he know she was only 14? granted this guy needs to be punished ...but i dont think his life should be fuked forever over something so stupid, especially when the girl isnt innocent. we need set age aside and look at motives ..14 is young but not so young that she dosnt know the difference between right and wrong , i think we all learned that around age 6

i see this as a case of the legal system overlooking the big picture ...why would a 14yo girl run away from home with a stranger , weres the parents ? whats her home life like ?

phatnacky

@Jakuub:
Okay, wow that couldn't get any funnier.
Prohibition was the 1920's "dumbass".

XerxenK

they probably went off to search for the Sword of a Thousand Truths.

chunkymunky

@avenger339: what an idiot you are. I seriously doubt that anything I said was creepy in any way. Get your head out of your ass.

It's funny if I sold you the Brooklyn bridge would YOU then be the one at fault? HAHA. That's a good law to have.

Netnavi

Best license plate EVER!

HELLSRIDER

@Netnavi:

If parents consenting to underage people hooking up with grown men isn't creepy, I don't know what is. Also, you should probably re-read the thread, there's tons of people here saying similar things about the creepiness level of your posts, more or less.

Also, what the hell does you selling me the Brooklyn bridge have to do with anything? If you sold me the Brooklyn Bridge and I actually bought, then I am an idiot for buying something from a person who ripped me off. Of course, that would make you a total scumbag. If he did not honestly know that she was 14, then I will say he is a moron and should be punished anyway. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that the girl is in the right - I'm just saying that there's no way in hell he is.

Also, I would submit that I at least know what is illegal and not illegal, and as such, am not the one with my head stuck in my ass. I will say it again, just because it "feels right" or you're in love, does not make it right or even legal.

avenger339

I hope you have read my entire post and not pick and choose sentences to prove your own point. Take all that I say in context please.

Netnavi

@avenger339: I don't think it's totally right or legal but give the guy some slack. If he was deceived then he shouldn't be made out to be some evil person.
That's the whole point of being lied to. He got played. If I sold you a bridge and scammed you would you then be punished because you should have known? Or if I sold you some oregano in a bottle labeled oregano but it turns out to be weed should you get in trouble for my deceit? I don't think that's fair or right either.

If she lied to him how would he have known he did anything wrong (mind you they didn't even do anything but take a drive out of state lines under a false pretense that she was 18) until after the knowing how old she really was.

I try and empathize with both parties involved and think how would I feel if I had been lied to. No one should be punished for being lied to.

And maybe you should get out of the country more often. The legal age is different all around the world and in most Latin countries it is 14. If a man is able to take care of the girl and has a job and a means to support her and a family with her then having the parents consent is not creepy. Try and take a world view on the matter and it won't sound so creepy. I am definitely NOT trying to make it sound creepy and I have heard (ugh and seen) far worse on the internet before. That's why I said that I doubt that's the creepiest thing you've heard before.

Sorry for offending anyone in this thread as it was not my intention. Though I don't think that it is creepy for an older man to hang out or talk with someone younger then then (talking with someone is not wrong) because younger people look up to older people like teachers and counselors that can help them in their lives. I don't mean to put a sexual slant on it. In other countries where the legal age is younger it is perfectly fine for couples of different ages to marry and have a family. Those countries are fine. Spain for example is 14. The country hasn't self destructed has it?

Anyway...I know people have different opinions on the matter and even though it may sound creepy to you that isn't how it is for the rest of the world.` And it was not my intention to creep you out either. I just wanted to show how not everything is so black and white when it comes to these matters.

Netnavi

"If a man is able to take care of the girl and has a job and a means to support her and a family with her then having the parents consent is not creepy." Actually I should say: for marriage. A parent wouldn't consent to just "hooking up" for an aventura like they would say. Its' not like that. No parent would consent to that. I speak about it as for marriage. But the guy would have to be semi wealthy and be really good friends of the family and be trust worthy to the parents. It's rare that it happens nowadays but it still happens. It's because of the "Americanizing of the world" syndrome as I call it. Most countries are adopting an over 18 rule and flooding the markets with cooperate businesses and fast foods. Basically abandoning the culture for more western (United states) marketing. It's sad because television is not a culture. But it's made out to be.

Also maybe we should just drop the whole subject. We have different opinions on the matter and have been quite civil towards each other (for the most part). That's why I live this site.

Netnavi

@Netnavi:

See, NOW I agree with quite a bit of what you're saying, however, ignorance is no excuse and you need to have a bit of common sense. I know it can be a bit of a grey area... but I don;t think it is in this case. She was a whole 3 years away from being legal, and I honestly cannot even picture that this guy did not know she was a 14 year old girl - I mean, if she was 16 or 17, sure, I could see it. But 14? C'mon, kids are still going through puberty then.

The difference between people in other countries and here is... well, tha