I would be supper exited. since I love TF2 but looks like valve straight up dislikes the PS3 so I'm lucked out. Maybe if a get a better computer I might just buy TF2 because I really do enjoy the game but getting no update really dose suck.

Ruisu

Can't wait for sniper achievements :D

Heavy is pretty nice though... wonder what types of weapons they will add.

Mpalm.

@telek: I think taking the nades out adds alot to the game.

I would love for the option to do it for CoD4, then that game would be much better IMO. Nades can unbalance a game.

flukielukie

And PS3 owners just cry in the corner... *sniff sniff*. It's almost tempting me to buy the PC version, but that won't happen. I'm short on cash as it is.

spyker3292

I am waiting for DemoMan, Sniper Achievements to return to TF2

Reetesh

If they want to make the game better, give me back the grenades from the older versions of the game.

telek

@Godot: My dad used to have a coffee house in the 70s called "Godot's". Neat name!

PlayerX

There are no updates for the PS3 version right? I'm screwed aren't I?

Badmofo

Perhaps a gun that shoots bullets of pure coffee...

Godot

@Glass_bomb: What's needing over in Spy country? I've had my greatest successes with the Spy as he is... just put on an engineer disguise, and 70% of the time, nobody thinks about you.

PlayerX

Woot! Can't wait for the update to hit the PS3 version.

Also can't wait for the second coming of Glactus.

Or for the Masters of the Universe sequel to the original film - you know, where it ends with Skeletor laughing in the lava. Ya...

Kanik

"If you compare his combat related skills to that of the Soldier or the Demoman, you'll see he has a unique set that's less about aiming & dodging, and more about commitment choices and accurate battle evaluation."

That's the best description of a Heavy I have ever seen...

*sniff*

Snipers are jerks!

PlayerX

Nice.. Heavy is my favorite class!

CockroachMan

I'm hoping this doesn't make the Heavy unplayable like it did with the Pyro. The 'Backburner' has massively unbalanced the game. Having said that, it is funny how before you unlock it it is the worst thing in the world, and as soon as do it is amazing and everyone burns to death at your hands *manic cackle*

Flaming Elk

I assume the update is for the PC version only?

DigitalHero

Come on Olaf the stout sheild... it blocks players and allow engies to reach high places without a dispenser.... I can wish can't I?

Murdoc

I'm liking TF2 a lot, been playing it more since the unlocks.

But I'm not sold on the heavy unlocks. The strong Medic/Heavy partnership was a purposeful design decision. But now they're moving away from it? Is it due to the unlocks changing the role of the medic?

hahnchen

Why would anyone think it would have been the scout, though? I thought they were pretty well off.

obonicus

Great update too, how they put their problem solving process on the post instead of just "heavy is next". They do everything right. If they were my kid, I would not ground them.

Tetelestia

The next one better be Spy.

Seriously

Glass_bomb

Heavies everywhere?

Spy's greatest dream. All of those slow moving gigantic backs?

Beautiful.

iamerror37

NOOOOOOO dam it i was so hopeing for engineer upgrade.

Shermi

Thanks for the headsup, heavy is always a blast to play and having him made into a more viable standalone class will be interesting.

Having said that, I don't know if I can handle playing in servers where every second player is running around trying to punch stuff for the next achievement :p

ZhouYu

Allright! Time to put Natasha to good use! Or maybe... a new gun!? \o/

Shiryu

Sweeeeet! I was just thinking what class that Valve should do next and I got it right. :)

Coors Light is God

or give the heavy shotgun low damage stun bullets! They just slow down your movement for 2-3 seconds. sorry for spamming these ideas on Kotaku - it's fun!

robotleawesome

@jeffreybt: hmm yeah, they need to give the spy something to combat pyros now that pyros have a long range fire weapon

robotleawesome

nice......sniper will have one hella field day i guess :P

McFazo

@robotleawesome: its genius, but he really needs to move a little faster for that to anything other then a last resort

stryker1800

@PlayerX:
I play on Gib$Ru$ public servers and well almost every single person does spy checks. I don't play spy so it doesn't bother me, but I do feel sorry for them.

Unless you can slip by in stealth you wont make it far

jeffreybt

or give the Heavy a crippled version of an uber charge of his own - takes a long time to build, increases speed, only lasts 5 seconds.

robotleawesome

give the mini-gun a drill, so when you ready it without firing you can melee people with it.

robotleawesome

@telek: If I remember correctly, in one of their interviews Valve explained that they removed grenades for the sake of class differentiation. With grenades every class could just throw an explosive into the enemies resulting in somewhat similar playstyles. They are still talking about differentiation, so the only class likely to get grenades would probably be the demoman, and only in exchange for one of his other weapons.

rocsflight

@hahnchen:

While I agree that the medic/heavy combo is probably a purposeful decision, I'm guessing they're seeing too heavy a reliance on medics from heavies, to the point where an unpaired heavy is seen as no longer a sensible option. I don't see anything wrong with re-addressing this balance by making the heavy more survivable on his own. After all, it's not like they want to make the heavy/medic combo redundant, or just the same as every other possible medic pairing. I think they want to make heavy/medic a strong option, but would also like the heavy to be more effective in his own right without a medic.

StormTec

Sometimes, just sometimes, I get a little giggle from people who got the console version. It's not nice, I know, but really, it brightens my day. I do wish they got the updates however XD

That said, they could never.. EVER replace Natasha!

FeatherNET

give the soldier a machine gun!!!!

bobdisgea

1. Brass knuckles, critical hits when hit from behind or side.
2. Saw Off Shotgun, bullets have a spray shot effect.
3. Minigun with nuclear bullets, have an effect of bouncing incoming enemies back.

latinogamer

@Dave Silva:

I don't think the soldier could carry a Pak-38, maybe a Panzershreck or Faustpatrone would be more his style. Also, the soldier should get a Tommy gun for his secondary.

Pezdispenser

@iamerror37: I know.

It brings tears to my eyes.

@robotleawesome: The unlockables are meant to be alternatives and not necessarily upgrades.

My name changed for an unknown reason

@deadjesterx: maybe an additional upgrade level on each item

robotleawesome

The Heavy is one of the classes that needs an update sooner than later, for sure. But I figured that maybe the Soldier would be up next as a Pyro that's mastered the air-push can pretty much make the rocket launcher irrelevant.

Personally, though, I would love to see an Engi update with a new set of toys for him to build. They probably won't do that, but it'd be nice.

deadjesterx

@francoamerica: The point is that apparently most people think the Heavy isn't worth much without a medic, and therefore don't play him as much. They want to change that.

Brine

@Dave Silva: No, anti-tank doesn't really mean missile, it could very well mean high-caliber rifle. That idea could work if it were really slow on the reloading/aiming aspect because if it were too fast you'd outbalance the sniper + distance advantage.

robotleawesome

It seems like making the heavy more viable without a medic would make the medic less necessary?? I didn't think playing without a medic was that bad with heavy, although he's my least played character so what do i know. regardless, if there is a difference, more power to the medic! I hardly had the impression the heavies were being slaughtered like lambs without medics though!

francoamerica

@Pezdispenser: Um... Isn't that the Soldier's standard rocket launcher, more or less?

Maybe give the Svetlana to the Soldier?

Dave Silva

Please give the Heavy some skates. PLEASE. :P

Dave Silva

I sent this in to the tips line, so I'm happy to see it. :D

Anyhoo, if I were making the weapons, I think I'd go with these:

Svetlana(Anti Tank Cannon)- That's right, I'd give him an anti tank gun, just because he's just that awesome! I figured something that shoots slow but hard, even at long range, would compliment Sasha's fast firing but only efficient at close rangeness.

Lena(Derringer)-For those who don't know, a Derringer is a small pocket pistol. I just think it would be funny to see the Heavy carrying around something so small.

Antonina(Brass Knuckles)-Seems obvious enough as a choice, the hard part would be deciding how it differentiates itself from bare fists. Perhaps higher damage, lower crit rate?

Pezdispenser

@obonicus: The scout is the least played class, and they seem to be (generally) moving from the bottom up.

Brine

Just imagine, everyone will be Heavys for the next month...

geminas01

@FeatherNET: Sasha

Tetelestia

Well, I guess they couldn't make the game any worse...

Puck

Any word on whther they will ever update the 360 TF2? I'l totally go back to this game if they added these class updates to TM2, unless of course they (pronounced Micro$oft) want 800 ms points.

dnez

Instead of a fist, a big board. The Heavy swings it around and it has a very wide attack range and a slightly longer range. No critical, just more likely to hit a group in front of you.

I don't see myself spending much time with the Heavy or trying too hard to get the unlockables. I'm not good with a Heavy. I look forward to killing all the Heavy's which will be coming along though.

Quilt

@dnez:
While the free tweaks and additions only currently apply to the PC version of the class-based multiplayer shooter, Valve has stated its hope to detail its support for the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 editions of TF2 in the near future.

"We'll probably be making some announcements pretty soon on what will happen with the 360 stuff," Valve marketing VP Doug Lombardi teased back in May. "Unfortunately I don't know that any of that will make it to the [externally developed] PS3 [version]."

Brine

He should get a shield, swat style, that completely clogs his field of vision with a small slit in the middle to see through. Protects him from everything in front, allowing him to get into position and flee. He can push for minimal melee damage, taking his #3 slot.

Shotgun should be a beanbag launcher, stunning opponents for a few seconds, making them slower and their aim a tiny bit wobbly. Would fire like the pyros flare gun.

I'm not sure how you could improve on the mini-gun. Maybe one that fires much more accurately and without the spread, but give half the damage. Useful for long distance targets.

Roller skates would be nice also.

DemonAlcohol

I'm thinking valve is updating characters based on their total amount of played time. This seems about right, having the Heavy come next. I would then think the sniper after this...but maybe spy is played less than sniper? Soldier will probably be the last update...But I'm probably completely wrong on all of this. Anyway, I will be looking forward to the Heavy update. Albeit, Heavy is my third least played class, I still have a lot of fun as him sometimes...Hopefully it will arrive before I move to another country!

nautnaut

As someone who plays heavy 90% of the time and is usually in the top 3 on my team, I feel qualified in saying that the class is just fine. I don't even play with a medic on me most of the time. All you have to understand is the way the weapon works. From there, you know when to fight and when to get out of dodge.

I don't want more heavies running around. Three heavies w/ medics are an enormously powerful force. Don't need more than that.

That said, I'm interested to see where they go with this.

CubemonkeyNYC

How can they think making heavies more self sufficient is a god idea? A heavy should be played like a tank (the vehicle). It needs support from others units to function properly in the field. If it is isolated, it is easy pickings.

Just because the average player is more interested in his own score than teamwork, doesn't mean the teamwork aspects should be plastered over! I've been really enjoying the tactical style of heavy play lately, I don't want it to be just another run and gun soldier/pyro play style, else the game becomes COD4 or CS.

Fwiffo

Gotta love the PC version :)

Now I just need a PC that will run it faster :'(

MetaKz

I like the idea of the stun shotgun or beanbag launcher but I doubt it would happen...Valve has said a couple of times that they don't like the idea of weapons that limit another players movement or control...

nautnaut

@robotleawesome: Hmmm...I kind of like this idea with the stun bullets...slow them down, then switch to the mini-gun and finish them off! However, I do think the melee attached to the mini-gun would be pointless because no one ever just runs up to a heavy with a readied mini-gun.

nautnaut

I imagine they might want the Heavy to be less Medic-dependent so that medics actually heal other members of the team instead of crowding around the 150% health heavies all the time....

Nawara_Ven

Sweet I can't wait to pick off all these slow fat guys with a sniper rifle, will be fun :)

Firemane

@jeffreybt: Hey, me too!
What's your steamID?

droopy

This is going ot be awesome, especially when combined with the updated medic.

Replica23

Is this an update for PC, or all TF2?

Hiroken

Also: For Brass Knuckles, I'm thinking 100% crits if it hits the face, but half damage If it hits anywhere else.

iamerror37

@nautnaut: You must be playing some magical servers if you feel Sniper has a low amount of play time. Even if he currently has less time (because everyone is so busy playing pyro), I've lost track of how many times I switched teams because our dumbass team had 5 Snipers. Batting them proved quite entertaining.

If anyone should get the upgrades last, its Demoman, or Sniper.

@Pezdispenser: This image has been floating around as of late. [img185.imageshack.us]

I think some sort of slow firing, extremely heavy damage weapon would be quite nice. Although I think it may be troublesome, as it could probably prove horrifying at long ranges. Killing a sniper with a crit minigun from an extreme range is quite a priceless moment though. :D

@Fwiffo: Right, but the heavy as of now feels like a nearly pointless class, merely there for comedic value. Now that the Pyro update is around, he desperately needs the boost. Why should the medic stick to the heavy when the backburner-wielding Pyro has the 2nd highest HP in the game and is a much more difficult target. And he can nearly crit on command. Heavy is absolutely useless without a medic. These two problems combined pretty much make Heavy as bad as Pyros used to be.

Lucky for us however, Valve still has the Heavy tactics in mind...so there isn't much to worry about yet I'd say.

Furious_Liver

@nautnaut: "Valve has said a couple of times that they don't like the idea of weapons that limit another players movement or control..."

Then what the hell is that thing they gave the Pyros supposed to be? I keep getting juggled up in the air with their air gun, and I can't do a thing about it! Eventually they throw me so high that I'm an easy target.

Dave Silva

@kjcwashere: *(/sarcasm)

kjcwashere

@iamerror37: This just in the new update will give the heavy rollerskates :D

kjcwashere

@jeffreybt:

Any good Spy knows you have to utilize your cloak. Your cloak is more useful than any disguise. The disguise's primary function is so you're not immediately gunned down by sentries, or to fool unskilled players. The cloak is your best bet at breaking the front lines.

If you have your cloak, Spy checks are null. But for God's sake, stay away from Pyro flames!

iamerror37

Give him a skateboard or something, after playing scout for a couple days your just yelling "walk faster dammit".

Crispy-Hypocrite

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Snake726

@flukielukie: It's not the fact that the nades are imbalanced, it just sucks when you get spammed by about 10 in the first 20 seconds of the match. Doesn't help that the maps, at least in my opinion, we're created for a more console'ish view point considering how many of them are really small, where as the older Call of Duty games had some very open and\or big maps. (However, I would not mention the maps from Call of Duty : United Offensive, since those we're created with the idea of having vehicles in them)

Jobbo_Fett

Heavy Achievement:

Who Touched Sasha!? - Kill 20 people within 30 seconds of touching Sasha.

marmidukestank

I think it's great that they're doing the Heavy next. One of the things I've been thinking is that not enough people play Heavy. Heavy are extremely useful as they are, but: 1) they're only extremely so when paired with a medic. and 2) Not that many people choose to play them.

There's not much variety or versatility to the Heavy, so it's often not an attractive class, not without knowing that you have a dedicated healer.

It'll be a trick to balance, that's for sure, since they're already so useful and powerful. How to get people to want to play the class, without making them overpowered?

Jawajoey

@Hiroken: Seeing as all the others have been PC only, this will also probably be PC only.

Coors Light is God

@deadjesterx: No way. A pyro has a poor chance against a soldier head on, even with the air blast. The rocket launcher is never irrelevant.

If a pyro beats a soldier at anything other than close range (when the soldier is likely to blow himself up rather than let you get the kill), then the soldier is shit.

hahnchen

As a Medic, I approve of this update.

My money was on Spy, though. Maybe it's just because I personally don't play it much..

Chagrin

Can we establish a rule on Kotaku where anyone that says, "When is the [x] update going to come to my console", they have to drop a red-hot iron anvil on their crotch before hitting the submit button?
It'll have the same result (hahaha: NEVER!) but more entertaining for the rest of us. Especially if they type out their screams of agonized pain: "Is it 'aaarrgh!' or "arrrrgh'? Italics or bold? Both?!"

Trai_Dep

Be interesting if, like Battlefield 2142, they gave Heavy a alternate mini gun that gets more accurate the longer its fired. Obviously they would need a downside to it, like no critical hits. Some kind of pistol would be nice for secondary weapon, since both mini gun and shotguns are not really good long range.

I don't play heavy much since it doesn't seem as useful as a soldier or pyro unless you have a medic, so I'm interested to see what they do with it.

Captain_Sarcastic

Wow, time for teams of 10 heavies, and 1 sniper.

I intend to be the sniper.

Alucard

@Furious_Liver: Damn score-whoring snipers

Alucard

@spyker3292: in the words of HWG, CRY SOME MORE!

Alucard