I don't know whether this article is true or not. I suspect it is a new spin on some old figures.

What, I do know is that I have had an old Premium RROD on me. This was then replaced with an Elite which RROD'd straight out of the box! I am now on 360 number 3, which I think is great but I always feel it could keel over at any time.

The real challenge Microsoft will have next-gen is getting people to buy the machine early because I, like many others, will be sitting back to see what happens for at least a year.

g2dat

@Starsky:
Sold? I honestly doubt they've manufactured enough Elites worldwide to get this sort of loss.

TrjnRabbit

@quen: ...And then I followed the link to see if I'd made a mistake by not reading the article and find out that it's the Mirror, not the Daily Mail.

Now I feel like I should wash my eyes out with soap.

martapp

Hang on, it links to the Mirror not the Mail. Still, they are both as bad as each other.

1981suede

I would totally agree with those saying the mirror stories are usually made up...however the telegraph is reporting it as well, and they are big time news.

[www.telegraph.co.uk]

Monkey Majiks

Has Microsoft even sold Elite units for 1 Billion USD? And I don't mean the retail value including VAT but the actual net turnover for Microsoft? I highly doubt that so the article printed in this sleazy tabloid is probably complete rubbish.

Starsky

Wow - the first fact the article got wrong was that the consoles are repaired in Germany. They aren't anymore - they're shipped to the Czech Republic nowadays.
I'm fine with MS bleeding for the shoddy quality of their system, but the press should at least get the facts straight.

El-Suave

oh my god are we actually reporting what these idiots at daily mail are reporting....

the elites are the most solid of xbox360's why would they be setting aside a billion dollars for that alone...

i think those idiots at daily mail got this billion and the last billion confused and its actually the same billion from a year and a half ago their referring to and the eliter issue is just standard daily mail false reporting.

phantam

@martapp: 'In a period of falling house prices, the failure of an expensive electronic device may be the last thing hard-pressed families want. Yet the Mail has now discovered that...'

Agreed this is probably bollocks because it's the Mail. It's also probably bollocks because come on - Microsoft haven't sold that many Elites. The only thing that's probably true is that Elites still break (but nobody knows how much)...

quen

This is why even I as a huge Xbox fan are going to give MS a miss next time if there is anything above 4% fault rate. Just not worth taking the risk over and over again.

Llost

@StrifeHawkins: What does this article have to do with the US? It's a British paper and the 360 is sold world wide :/.

@martapp: Or the hoodies, noooo the youth of today are breaking into factories and destroying consoles so be afraid of your grand children little old lady, be afraid! (oh and keep buying our newspaper, 'cos you're the only ones that will!)

Klopfer123

I can't remember where I read this (might have even been here), but I think this perfectly sums up the Daily Mail: The Daily Mail is for people who want to read the Sun, but don't like the idea of reading the Sun.

I wouldn't believe a word they say. Yes, it's cost them money, but I doubt it would amount to such a high figure.

Iarwain

Being that it's in the Daily Mail, I'm gonna guess that they found the release about the original 360 RROD extended warranty, made up some figures and threw an 'Elite' on the end there just to have something to write about - odds are nobody who reads the Mail knew about the original RROD problems.

NiceMissMayonnaise

A Daily Mail story without reference to house prices falling? It can't be true.

martapp

Whilst this is the Daily Mail it wouldn't exactly come as much of a shock. Pretty embarrassing all round for microsoft. Hopefully they will of learnt their lesson for when the "720" comes a calling.

1981suede

But how much has it cost the Xbox buyer!!!

SigmundTheSeaMonster

Thats it i am going to enjoy a NICE BIG LUNCH AND HAVE A NICE BIG POO ON XBOX 360!

Seriously, how can you americans tolerate this stuff?
instead you guys seem to enjoy taking your xbox for repairs, or even buy a new one. You guys sure are suckers for punishment.

StrifeHawkins

If I apply my 'Daily Mail Law' to this story it implies that Microsoft have SAVED £500 million. Nice going!

Flaming Elk

LOL Daily Mail.

InsidiousTuna

My Elite works %100 of the time ;)

PITwelve

My elite has already been repaired. It only lasted 4 months the first time around.

Hobb3z

Anyone to think some Consoles need to get repaired more than once.. so the repair costs would be higher than the expected if "only" each 3rd (Speculation!!) Console get repaired.

tormenta3001

Erm guys that's the Mirror, your making yourselfs look worse than them....

Anyway i think the losses are abit much, i just dont understand why MS haven't redesigned the console to save them money and sell a few consoles to people who want something that lasts.

Ryuujin1024

Typical of the Daily Mail, as a racist tabloid rag it highlights the costs and problems caused by black consoles and completely ignores the problems caused by white consoles. ;)

photoboy

Funny story:
Couple days back, was trying to decide whether to buy a 360 or not. Ask for a demo with the store clerk so he picked up a new 360Pro, plug it up, and right there... the thing goes RROD... kinda kills of my intention of buying it.

nekoRamen

Microsoft.

What a bunch of idiots.

xCruciaLx

I've noticed the Telegrpahs report also says "Xbox 360" and *Not* "Xbox 360 ELITE" So perhaps the figures are right, but the use of the word ELITE is wrong?

Monkey Majiks

@El-Suave:
My uncle had his console fixed last week its coming back from germany

adamr999

wow... look at the elite. Poor fella is trapped in a box with very poor airflow. :'(
I weep for her. I weep for her.

Still. RROD on the elite is new to me. MS needs to just let the info fly. There is no need to keep it under wraps. And for god sakes, any Compu Hardware person will tell you, low airflow around your box will effectively NUKE IT. I've seen so many PC's nuked because their owners want them to be tucked away and out of sight.

Sorry, it does not work that way.

~19

Black_Ops_19

It's the mail - it's 99% bullcrap. Just because the telegraph have a similar story doesn't mean EITHER is true.
Wait for an official announcement

Darkedge

Microsoft needs to release these figures so people can decided for themselves if they want to get a 360 or 360 elite. Sony's ps3 have done pretty well and don't need to explain themselves but with so many 360 failing, they need to come out and say "Hey we have changed, that was our failure rate before, and now it's so and so...much less". If they don't do that, I will never buy a 360 simply because I don't know if it's going to fail.

karateka

@PITwelve: haha don't tempt fate man.

noliferuin (PSN+XBL)

Don't really care if this is a rumour or not. But it's a pretty good sign that MS shipped out a defunct piece of hardware from the getgo. My 360 is currently sitting here in 'sleep' mode downloading something and the powerpack itself is louder than my PC.

suntorytime

@Klopfer123: And I'm surprised it's not also being blamed on this 'superskunk' I've been reading all about...

cheeseboybeans

Even though it sounds like something not to believe it brings up the point. Regardless true or false why not just fix the problem microsoft instead of offering a overpriced bandaid that wears out in 3 years?

Zaos

Could it be.... could it just be that the original news of Microsoft spending 1.1 billion on RROD has just reached this tabloid? I don't know and I frankly don't care. Gos bless them though as they are about as accurate as the internet being tabloids. Maybe they can benefit from the safety of using a rumor tags but then that wouldn't make them a traditional tabloid.

I've heard of Elites dying but with no where near the frequency of the original premium systems. It's sad that this is probably more of the same silly Euro-tech drama that's becoming more prevalent these days to see how high one can make their per-click averages because if were a credible source then this could be huge.

...filing this one under: "I see it when I believe it"
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...yeah, you read that right :)

okenny :)

My Elite and Halo LE have had massive playtimes each and I've had no problems in 8-9 months. I also have a launch console that I sold my sister that has never had RROD. The neighbor kid however is on his 3rd. I told his mom to ebay it and buy the kid a newer falcon model. These things are fragile. You cant keep them in an enclosed media cabinet or anything like that because you are just asking for trouble.

Friscodude

I was going to come on and point out that the Daily Mail isn't very reliable, but it seems people beat me to it. And then I see that it's actually the Daily Mirror... even worse. As a previous poster says, did they SELL that much Elite hardware?

tufty

@BonoMan: It's not often that you see someone accusing Kotaku of being anti-MS, it's about time you took a step back and realised they aren't favouring any company.

Libo

@Llost:
WOW principles...

I gave microsoft a miss this time becuase I don't appreciate companies who get exclusives by firing money at other companies.

I'll give them a miss next time because they'll still be doing the same thing.

fadecy

@juscallmeweasel:
Oh really? Please open the link under the Kotaku article [www.mirror.co.uk]

Garo

@thnkwhatyouthnk:
Really? And I thought it's the sexy black colour ;)

Garo

@Garo: i think you mean Mail....

juscallmeweasel

So, a console that only costs more due to a larger hdd (which doesn't get sent in when the console RRODs) and has a smaller user base somehow costs more to repair? I'm calling shenanigans.

thnkwhatyouthnk

Not really surprised how many people here haven't noticed that the article is from "The Mirror".

Garo

@suntorytime: Uh you're lying. The Powerpack itself should not be making any noise and if it is then something is horribly horribly wrong.

Also why even report this Kotaku? It's a full of shit tabloid article and it's just going to give "ataglancers" more shit to shovel out into the world. Especially PS3 fanboys.

But I guess Kotaku themselves are PS3 fanboys anyways.....

I love how all the 2.40 bricking stories are handled with a dainty feather and "oh it's just a FEW systems" and then this bullshit article comes up and you throw it out there with no qualms about it.

So long as you don't consider yourself any sort of "journalist" I think it's alright...

BonoMan

Funny thing. My Elite just started getting 3D artifacts this past week. Microsoft won't repair it under the 3 year warranty until it gives me a RROD though.

BergeGuy

@Garo: It's hardly a bad thing no-one has clicked on the link in this case, as the Daily Mail is just a racist hate rag. :)

@suntorytime: There's a fan in the PSU? News to me, but then I wouldn't be able to hear it over the whine of the fans and DVD drive in the console anyway. I guess that's why it has a status light then for when the fan fails.

photoboy

@BonoMan: Yeah sorry but I'm not bsing about my powerpack. I'm sure you know theres a fan in the powerpack. And yeah, I'm quite sure there's something horribly wrong. Wait, doesn't that just prove my point about defunct hardware?

suntorytime

@Garo: My bad, I forgot to add the additional $20 for the sexy blackness =)

thnkwhatyouthnk

This article is BS for many reasons as many have pointed out. Besides, MS has for the most part fixed their hardware issues, where as sony seems hellbent on creating them again.

(for the record, the reason why us "americans" buy more 360s is likely because we like to play games with our "game" consoles. I have all 3 consoles but have managed to find only 5 games to buy for the PS3 as of now, with none on my want list. Where as i have nearly 75 360 games and a dozen or so on my want list. Couldnt care less about bluray if Im not playing games on it. Additionally, my PS3 just died last week which puts it at hte same total of failures as each of my 360s which Ive had for a long time. So I really dont wanna hear about failure especially since both of my 360s died under warranty yet my PS3 died right after warranty as is always the case with sony products)

Anyways, I dont know why people badmouth kotaku for posts like this, thier a blog not a news site. They find articles to drive up hits and debates regardless of thier angle. This article is terrible, but as someone pointed out its no worse than a lot of the anti-ps3 or anti wii crap that is posted as well. If I believed all the news that I read on kotaku.....

RuneX21

also, elites where never the answer to rrod, since the first models had the old chipset

kommanderk

I have an Elite because the Pro I originally bought was DOA, with a hard disk error. This is actually the second Elite because the first one developed a FUCKING ANNOYING BUZZ from the power supply - drowning out the console's fans - within a few hours. However, I've now had it for about a year with (touch wood) no problems.

It probably didn't help that all the Pros on the shelf had build dates of 2005 or 2006.

As I recall, Europe originally got Elites that had the same internals as the Pro model, i.e. no board re-spin, just sitting in a black case, with the 120GB disk.

kruador

Neither the Mirror or the Telegraph story have any sourcing whatsoever beyond this one kid whose Xbox RRODed - note that they both quote the same guy, hardly an indication of RROD being epidemic on Elites. I don't doubt that the Elite is RRODing as well, but as far as I can tell the £500m figure is plucked out of thin air. Basically they seem to have thought: "Well, it cost them $1bn when the problem happened with the original 360, so they 'face' a similar bill now that someone's Elite has RRODed".

cdammers

@fadecy: what does that have to do with anything, video games are a business. in business you pay for exclusivity. tis how things fucking work, theres nothing wrong with it. sony would be doing it to if they were makig any money off their console

kommanderk

@photoboy:
The link leads to "the Mirror" /sigh

Garo

I got my Elite the month it came out (after my launch RRODed 13 months, and extended warranty was not yet announced, so I opened it up and did all kinds of stuff to it, and finally it died).

My Elite lasted 1 month and got RROD. Called MS, 1 month later, got a new Elite.

This Elite lasted about a year and 2 months ago, started freezing up during games, turn it on and start a game and it would freeze up in less than 5 Minutes. Give me RROD. Turn it back on several hours later and it worked, till another ROOD. I got pissed and I was going to mod my 360 to get back at MS. Too bad I have the hardest dvd-rom drive. So no go.

Searched online, and found that great video of how to replace the X-Clamps. Went to Lowe's, bougth $7 of washers and screws. Replaced the stupid X-Clamps, and BAM. My 360 Elite has been strong and not 1 hitch.

MS really needs to get rid of the X-Clamps.

nXt

Ah well, they made the decision deliberately to keep making them like that, now it comes home to roost. I'm sure this is no surprise to MS, but a calculated loss.

Personally, I don't buy "calculated losses" for my home system though.

@Darkedge:
haha... like MS officially announced the other failures? If it gets bad enough, they admit to like 5% of what everyone else notices.
Besides, it's actually The Mirror. Don't know why Kotaku called it the Daily Mail.

fuchikoma

@1981suede:

I'm just curious as why everyone assumes its going to be the "720". I believe only Sony has followed any sort of numbering scheme for their consoles.

Wasn't the 360 named for the 360 degrees of multimedia coverage? What would 720 be? Two full circles?

I've had my Elite for a year and half now, no problems at all.

exkon

My Elite RROD'd three weeks ago, I got a brand new one back a week later. So I;m pretty happy.

jonnybob

suntory - You either have a dead silent room or a bad power brick... Mine is near silent, you can hear a whir sound when you have your ear up to it, but under normal use or a silent room you cannot.

OrionnoirO

@BonoMan: Less than 1% failure of a firmware update doesn't stack up against XBox 360's monumental hardware failure rate, and subsequent PR nightmare as it struggled to service the overwhelming number of customer issues. The numbers just don't support your claims.

As for Sony-bias, perhaps you should go back and re-read those 2.40 posts. Even when it was working, I don't think that most editors were terribly impressed by the feature set.

LordMaim

@exkon:

It's just something to call Microsoft's next console I suppose. It's simple and everyone knows what you mean. It probably won't be called that in the end but who knows?

1981suede

@Darkedge: I'm sure Microsoft will be singing from the rooftops when they feel the time is right.

NameYourCharacter

Am I missing something here, didn't ALL 360s get the 3 year RROD warranty? The writeup implies that the Elites weren't eligible...

Justin42

I got my elite last December and its RRoD'd once. Works not, but still.

el.sand.bag

@StrifeHawkins: Pardon my pedantry, but I think you mean glutton for punishment, not sucker. Sucker is American.

punjabifury

Hopefully they will learn from there mistakes and not make a xbox with shitty hardware with their next-gen consoles. But I don't really care about RRoD because the past two times that it occurred on my Xbox it took a week to get back.

Foreign-Contaminant

A friend of mine had his Dev Kit just RRoD a half hour ago. Now he'll never get a 360 and I'll never have a competent Army of Two partner. =(

Ethyn

I recently traded in my 3rd 360 with 30 games after I had to 'towel' it to make the video card work again. My buddy went through 4 consoles and at least 3 others from my workplace are on their 2nd and 3rd systems. The numbers in this cas don't even slightly compare to the ps3 2.4 issue.

I was completely biased against the ps3 until I finally broke down and got one. The 360 is still the best on the market in terms of on-line and software, but the ps3 definitely has it trumped for hardware.

It's too bad the M$oft rushed the 360 to the extent that they did, because if they'd taken the time to perfect their hardware they'd be the best console hands-down this generation. Problem is, when their repair offices receive 2500 360s daily in the first couple years, you gotta wonder how many of those people will ever trust them when their next SKU comes around...

fatbologna

My Elite (manufactured in June 2007) red ringed two weeks ago. Still waiting for the repairs. That's at least one dead Elite. I always assumed the extended warranty applied to all 360s.

zuluniner

Elites are no more reliable than the other Xbox 360s.

But never cite the Daily Fail as a source.

Roto13

lolsoft strikes again?

At this point so late in the game. I can't even laugh at Microsoft anymore. It's just sad! I almost feel sorry for the people who still continually buy and or have their 360's repaired..

..almost

moe84

ouch. Thank god the console has so many fans or anyone would think it's a massive failure.

VakeroRokero

@TheHun: The original Xbox had power cords that caught fire and had to be recalled. A child died in one such Xbox-related fire.

jsf49

@Monkey Majiks: that article seems like garbage as well.

"After unprecedented hype and record sales last month, some gamers who bought Grand Theft Auto IV reported that their new purchase was freezing up during introductory scenes on both the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360."

Which is completely irrelivant

"Last year, the company had to recall 230,000 Xbox 360 steering wheels after complaints that they were overheating, and it spent £500m recalling power cords that came with units made before 2003 after 300 caught fire."

WTF?

Other than that these articles are obviously just late by about a year.

TheHun

I call BS, if this is true why has the Elite never had massive RRoD's reported in the US? I venture to bet a lot more Elite's have been sold in the US then in Europe.

Also, if the tabloid is talking about worldwide Elite failure's I still doubt it, cause once again we have never heard about these widespread RRoD's on Elite's, and with how much we heard about it for the regular 360 I really think we would of by now.

-WPack911

WPack911

Who cares? Its Microsoft! Trivial things like money don't matter to them. But who knows, it is the Daily Mail.

shak_0

I think that this has become a semantics argument, when the clear point here is that the 'Soft has fucked up big time, and now they're paying out the ass for it. When I bought my Elite I did so under the impression that the hardware was more stable. It RROD'd after 6 months! My first 360 (the pro) at least lasted me over a year!

When I tried to register on-line for a repair, the site was broken. When I tried calling tech support I was kept on hold for over an hour! These things lead me to believe that even to this date they're dealing with a large influx of faulty systems.

They've had over 2 years (3?) to fix the system along with their reputation and they've really done nothing to maintain buyer support. For some reason people including myself keep going back to them for their maltreatment. It's just NOT going to carry through beyond this generation IMHO.

fatbologna

@jsf49: well the article doesn't make a single claim to the original Xbox. Either way i was just pointing out how garbage the article was. From the article one could interpret that it was the wheel's powercord.

TheHun

Presumably it's a huge mistake by the Daily Mail {shocker} and they're actually talking about the thing from last year.
The amounts are practically equal. It's more than a co-incidence.

Zeouterlimits

@fatbologna: Yeah, it's sort of sad to see how everyone has really put up with it, and just totally lets the whole thing slide.

SamCity

Next you'll be telling my the 360 posed for Page 3 and had sex with Batboy.

justhesh

I have had ZERO issues with my XBOX 360 Elite.....but then again I've had zero issues with all my launch 360s (2 premiums & 1 Core).

Maybe they will all decide to implode on the same day....creating this huge gaming vacuum at home, work, and basement.

that would really suck.....

dirtypanda

RROD is going to cost Microsoft more then just money, which they have no shortage of. It's going to cost them marketshare and because of that, the year head start they had on both Sony and Nintendo will completely and utterly go to waste. It means that it will take Microsoft not only at least 2 more complete console cycles before they can really get to where they want to be in the gaming world (And people's living rooms), but they gave people a black eye that they will not soon forget.

Sony only overcame the DRE mess for two reasons

1-People were not as connected via the net, IM's and such as they are now.

2-They had such market control that even people who said "Fuck Sony." and sold/returned/threw away their broken PS2 and waited ended up caving in a few years later because if you wanted the best bang for your buck and didn't want more then one system in your house, you owned a PS2.

While Joe Gamer can sometimes have a short memory and depending how the 360 spends the next..3 years, it might be able to sooth some of those black eyes, many folks will never forget it and the time spent pissing around before they came out and said "Okey we fucked up." has caused quite a few people to just pick up a PS3 instead. That's bad news.

Will it break them? No. Will it result in the 360 ending up in 3rd place when all's said and done? Maybe.

Foxstar Sixtail

I like how every article that gets linked from the Daily Mail gets a "this is probably bullshit" disclaimer in the first sentence.

If only the actual paper had the same warning :(

Comicd

@SamCity: Whats even more sad is how big a deal it is to some people. Mine got the RROD a year ago, I sent it in and got a new one the next week. Not a big deal if you ask me. But then I read on Kotaku that the failure is 30%! and MS needs to spend 1 BILLION to fix it! THAT REALLY MADE MY BLOOD BOIL!@1!

PS. ok I lied no blood boil.

TheHun

@sniper13x: Take off the tinfoil hat. The DC was existing on borrowed time, plain and simple; Sega did a right fine job of killing it off without Sony's help.

Murmaider

@bodmodkub: PS3 HAS NO GAMES HURR HURRR THATS WHY I BOUGHT ONE.

Why would anyone buy a console they know they're going to hate, or at the very least, not use?

Murmaider

@fadecy: Thats the most retarded thing i've ever heard. Do you prefer sony's tactics then? Telling developers like EA, "if you want dev kits for the ps2, you better not make games for the dreamcast." Yes, thats definately better...

sniper13x

Whoever thought the Elites were better made than the originals?

Owning an orginal myself that was having issues and then replacing it with an Elite, all I can say is the Elite runs hot as hell just like my original unit, and when I played Bioshock on it for too long(2-3 hours) the performance of the game started to deteriorate sharply.

The 360 is just poorly designed. Even though the Elite was supposed to be made with better parts they're all still crammed into the same box with two small fans for ventilation. At least Microsoft is covering the problems with a warranty but this is rediculous.

fenderfuel08

Its funny, Xbox owners are happy when they buy a faulty product and the company has to pick it up to repair it. As long as they get it back in a few weeks - all is forgotten.

GeorgeSears

@RuneX21:

AMEN! I don't know how many times I've said exactly what you're saying. I have all current gen systems, and there is almost nothing that I want to play on the PS3. Fanboys can talk all the crap they want, but the truth is, my PS3 sits there barely getting used, while my 360 gets used almost everyday. Hell, my Wii gets used more then my PS3.

I'll also throw in that I have a launch day 360 and it hasn't ever given me a problem.

bodmodkub

I bought an elite the day it launched, and it died twice, once 4 months after purchase for RROD, and a second time a little over a year from purchase cause it stopped reading all disks. The second time would have been out of warranty, but I fortunately got the extended warranty from MS.

Let's see how much longer my elite lasts this time, but at least my latest model has a different and quieter DVD drive.

Mini-Boss

Um, what are the sources for this article? The information isn't attributed to anyone at all, other than one 16-year-old kid who had his console fail. Maybe they're failing; maybe they aren't. But this article shouldn't convince anyone with a modicum of critical thinking skills of anything.

Dirk Dorkelson

@g2dat: Exactly. I 'm going to wait about a year before I get the next box. As much as it will most likely cost it won't be worth it to me.

And I hope HOPE that MS decides to have a good backwards compatibility for it. Which I really doubt. Though it would be beneficial to all the people that will eventually have their 360s finally die out on them. I would like to have my 360 games last for more than 3 generations before I have to go searching ebay for a new old system. Or should I just stockpile them now?

Netnavi

Man you guys are ridiculous. I too own all three consoles and I do think the 360 RROD does in fact suck. However, the 360 is still the most fun to play out of the consoles.

My PC is still king of the hill at my house though.

Another thing I have noticed. Usually the most rabid fanboys can only afford one of the consoles. Hence the reason they defend it so ardently.

axiomatic

"I think that this has become a semantics argument, when the clear point here is that the 'Soft has fucked up big time, and now they're paying out the ass for it."

True enough, but paying $2bn for it is very different from paying $1bn.

cdammers

I'm starting to wonder at some of these claims. What do these ppl do with their consoles, make footrests out of them? Neither my 'launch' box 360 nor my 360 core has failed and both have seen some rigorous hours. Oddly enough, i'm on my second wii. The stand-by connection was causing it to over-heat. Long periods of use coupled with the stand-by connection enabled would cause the system to draw artifacts on the screen during gameplay. PS3 has had any problems, even the firmware updates have been downloading faster. RROD is a lame excuse to me, granted it's unfortunate for someone to see their hard earned cash turned into an oversized paper-weight. My opinion aside, this is problem that should have been found long before the system had seen the light of day.

Alicia

Is that all? Peanuts for MS

Orionsaint

Sounds like the daily mail needs proof. However this reminds me of when I first got windows 3.1. I remember after an afternoon of use dad asking me "Son, can we get our money back?" I still laugh about that.

scotty999

@Alicia: Yes, the Wii maintains an absurd amount of energy for anything resembling a standby mode. I usually try to unplug the back, rather than fiddle with the network settings.

@axiomatic: +2 to linguistics for using "hence" and "ardently" in a sentence describing fanboys. -5 for being about six years too late for that particular observation. +3 for playing into your alias so deftly. Net result: nil damage.
Next turn; roll for initiative...

Brackynews

My Elite RROD'd right of the box. >.>

Shinryoma

My elite RROD on me a couple months ago

JustOneFix

@exkon: It's a joke that caught on. Of course it won't actually be named the Xbox 720.

mind in rewind

Idiots believe what idiots write. Fortunately, I'm not one of those idiots.

garytek

@sniper13x:Sega killed themselves. Sorry, I know folks don't like to hear that, but it's true.

Foxstar Sixtail

@kommanderk:
Bu what I'm saying is sony get's exclusives because you can do things on the ps3 that you can't do on the 360.

Microsoft has to sling money at everyone. Unless it's a sci fi FPS.

fadecy