@sarcasmOD: You have to pay to see Mona Lisa in person

riqued

Not to rain on anyones parade or anything, but this game has been out for several years under the name War Rock. I was head of a clan on the game in 2004 when they first started looking for a change of the name of the game

Aggort

Trends like this in gaming make it impossible for people to make a legitimate argument about gaming as art. If I had to pay money just to be able to see the face on the Mona Lisa, it would just be another marketed product, and not an art piece.

sarcasmOD

It's important to note that everything that can be purchased with real money can also be purchased with in game money earned from playing. So if you play and are any good, you'll be able to "rent" the equipment you want. For those too impatient or crappy, they can use real money.

I've been playing the Beta and it is "generic free shooter the game!" People can come and go on the servers as they please so games could take for ever if folks keep dropping out. To solve the problem of everyone looking the same, just play free for all. XP

Warbuff6644

I admire the english in the flash header for the site:

Mission Object:
Elliminate All Enemies

rad4Christ

Sweet, more "Paying for stuff that's already in the game but I'm not allowed to use"! My favorite!

mistersneak

@MugiMugi: Sounds like they have their own servers, so latency would be a huge issue (it's already an issue in the current region). It would probably be unplayable. Now, if they allowed people to host their own servers somehow, then localization wouldn't be an issue.

wicko

i played the beta version... it sucked. I could tell the difference between teammate and enemy. In counter Strike the good guys dress like SWAT. In Combat Amrs, everybody looks the same. Good guy or bad guy. Friendly fire helps alot. Kill everybody then you don't have a problem.

Boboh

@Pezdispenser: According to the game's wikipedia entry, it uses a rental system.

Honestly, it appears to be a prettier (and more customizable) version of WarRock. The real question is whether there are actual servers, or much like almost every other korean game like this, they're entirely peer to peer.

Someone please say it's not p2p, as that just ruins the hell out of any FPS for obvious reasons.

Sugoi

Still only for the US ???

I hate games who limit themself to ONE region, I can never play those games with friends as my friends is all over the world.

This will go down the drain as well for me if they don't open it up.

MugiMugi

Checked the site, everythings looks so standart/boring/dull/lame. I guess I'll pass, there's some Team Fortress 2 wainting for me.

Fulgurator

@Pezdispenser: It's a rental type thing, kinda like Gunbound. Unlike Gunbound, though, there is no option to spend Nexon points to rent the gun for cheaper. All GP is earned in-game, while playing.

Thassodar

Do you actually buy the gun, or is it more of a rental? I seem to recall some of these pay-for-stuff games only letting you keep your hard bought gear for a week/month/year depending on how much you pay.

Pezdispenser

I'll do fine without the purchased weapons. Behold my sharpened stick and my other stick that's not sharp, but it's a little heavier.

elementary

Just so you know you need to actually link the text at the bottom. I am to lazy to google this.

Guttlesswonder

Damnit Nexon, instead of releasing that kind of crap, work on a sequel for Shattered Galaxy. I hunger for a new MMORTS with that much depth :(

Dr_Q

Now all they need to do is award money for getting kills, and take money for dying, and force you to buy your ammo each round. Hilarity will ensue.

Goiuki4u's avatar has a severe case of Jekyll and Hyde

So, how much do the guns go for? I might try this out.

greyhoundbus

So this is basically CS? But instead of getting all the weapons you have to pay for them....how...how...lame.

Smash88

The site just went down for 20 hours yesterday. I've been playing for about 3 days, and the servers are still laggy as balls. The game looks pretty damn good though (think BF2/2142).

It also has a slight addictive feel to it, as well as being quick enough to pick up and play a round and then just leave.

Thassodar

@TheGreySpectre: Not only that, but how do you reconcile real life differences and gameplay balance in weapons? The allure of real weapons is that they function relative to how they do in real life. For instance, on the screen shot the AK-47 is listed as having low damage and recoil, but high firing speed and accuracy, which is pretty much opposite of the firearm in real life.

FightingChance

@Fulgurator: 5 bucks, but it comes with a Lovely matching handbag

thejakeman: visit my site!

wow-wee ! another military simulator that makes people think its worthwhile because you have to purchase extras! winning formula!!!!

Ctsephion

@Winterbringer:
You'll be here all week?

Terrorsaur.

Capture the flag! Now that's awesome. How much does a fancy new flag cost?

Fulgurator

[combatarms.nexon.net]

don't have a cow, man. Google saves!

Shiryu

This game actually looked really cool. Now that it's out of whatever stage it was in you have to pay for weapons?

NessD12

If the weapons that you pay for are very much better than the free wapons I predict problems for the company in the future when people get frustated by dying before they get intrigued enough to purchase weapons.

TheGreySpectre

Broken link is broken

EliteKoala

well that just seems silly.

goboard117

Well, that's great but I still don't have any Combat Legs or hands...

ba dum tsch

Winterbringer

It won't last. P2P games and purchased weapons.

Laggy and shit.

FrigidAir44

@Dr_Q: KRU Interactive owns Shattered Galaxy. They used to be part of Nexon Corp but they split apart and renamed themselves from Nexon Inc. Lawl. >_> I loved SG.

Saprol

@Aggort: War Rock is a little more Battlefield. Combat Arms is a little more Counter-Strike. Also, Combat Arms' customization is an interesting feature (being able to carry a backup primary weapon is great, AR/Sniper combo all the way).

I burnt all of my in-game currency on 1-day rental weapons. So, I played for one day. WP grenades and FF are not a good mix.

TornadoTK

Why can't I buy a cannon?? WHY????

(If I kill you, can I take your gun. That you paid for. Now that would be incentive!)

SigmundTheSeaMonster

@riqued: Which is why I don't mind paying for games and still calling some of them art. But I refuse to pay more to unlock content.

sarcasmOD

just tried it. the mouse feels like it has no acceleration at all. aiming is fine but looking around is all messed up.

jazix

@sarcasmOD:

I give the game designers credit for creating some of the most visually stunning masterpieces of our time, but since gaming is a for-profit industry, it's hard for me to see gaming as just an artform. There's too much corporate money being tossed around to see it more than it is, a form of entertainment consumed by the masses. I do however have respect for the indie developers who've managed to stave off takeovers by larger companies and maintain some integrity.

I've always admired Nexon for giving us games like MapleStory for free. Maybe they realized people were profiting by selling characters on their games and so they turned the tables so that they could profit from their games instead of others auctioning their items on eBay.

flashtut

@Pepsiman34:
You mean, like Kwari?
[en.wikipedia.org]

Fulgurator

I just played it for about a half an hour. It is mindless FPS fun but it is also generic. You actually rent the weapons for use by the day/week and you pay with points that are earned in the game. Most weapons cost about 1000 points to rent for a day. They start you with around 9000 points and you seem to earn points while from gameplay. I only played 3-4 games and earned about 500 points so at that rate I'm wondering if they'd need to adjust/lower the amount of points earned to make any money because at that rate it seems I'd never have to pay one red cent and could use about any weapon I wanted indiscriminately. BTW I had enough fun with it that I haven't deleted it off of my hard drive yet. I may give it another go later on tonight.

DrunkenTrom

Why not just charge per bullet.

Pepsiman34

@SigmundTheSeaMonster: You can take the gun, but only til you die and respawn.

Thassodar

You pay for what you want if you don't have enough points to purchase it that way. If you want, you can just play, earn points and buy weapons that way without ever having to spend money.

The idea that you have to pay money to have the good guns is totally wrong.

Be0wulf

@flashtut:
Yeah, beacause Art is never done with profit in mind. And much less the so-called "modern art"

Fulgurator

Free to Play? Shouldn't it be more like Free to Play*?

* Not actually free for all the cool stuff that is wildly unbalanced if you don't use it, and by use we mean pay for.

Salen

Warrock said what?

kumuasata

Is this US only?
Stupid America.

Lootskin

Wow another WarRock... :goes back to playing BF2:

Delvar15

I've been playing this game for about a week and although it's really, really, REALLY generic and repetitive, it's fun and keeps me hooked, if only because everybody else are noobs. :)

As for the buying weapons with real money- that won't be a problem since if you're halfway decent you can kill whoever has that weapon and take it.

I think one of the best features of the game is the ability to take weapons off dead foes. It balances the game a lot better.

And I have played Warrock before, and I have to say this is far better than Warrock. And no, they aren't the same game- they both have large differences.

Combinator

Hahhaa, I love how MP5's UZI's and UMP's are Assault Rifles, and the SCAR-L is known for it's "tremendous stopping power." Someone should tell these people how bullets work, and that guns that assault rifles using the same rounds don't differ hugely in damage done with them.

Durandal

The game is free, i don't see what the complaints are for exactly?

Free game = cool
buy addon weapons for said free game = cool

Nobody is forcing you to buy the weapons and the game is still free. If so many people want to play free games become a programmer and make the damn game.

gnudna

@flashtut: So if just 99% of the purpose of the piece is money, we're good to go right? Good to know there's a cutoff. I'm quite pleased to hear that the definition of art now hinges on unverifiable assumptions about the artist's state of mind. I mean, it would just be silly to evaluate a work's artistic merit on its own terms without throwing some biased personal opinion in there, wouldn't it?

celery

@Fulgurator:

If the sole purpose of creating an art piece is money, then personally I don't see it as art. Plus, I would imagine most artists would be creatively stunted if all they could imagine were dollar figures dancing around in their heads.

I know a little about art commissions and for the most part those commissioned are given creative freedom and are not forced to design pieces with preassigned values attached to them.

flashtut

@Delvar15:

No...it IS warrock

NeoXY

Huh. I may have to give it a look-see. I don't mind buying non-game balance stuff.

HT Tenrai

That's sweet.. I'd totally check this out if i were a PC gamer. I just feel dirty without a controller though :(.

Nessman

@flashtut:
Then cinema (it's biggest part at least) isn't art for you.

As for cinema, most vg companies are evil and money-driven, but there's still some (tiny) space for creativity and freedom. In my opinnion games cannot be called art, but maybe when the industry (and freelance and indie developers) reach a more mature stage things could start to change.

Fulgurator

I got my money's worth. Couldn't bind left or right arrow keys... uninstalled.

godot

Hard to believe this is made by the same people who made Maple Story hahaha

Solertia

I played an online game made by Nexon once. It was a mistake. There was blood everywhere. Oh god, I'm so sorry. :(

GunSavior

Did uh...nobody check the site? You don't buy upperhand weapons, it's more like of a customize your weapons with colors and shit thing.

Hyperfludd

@Fulgurator:

By cinema (it's biggest part) you mean the big budget films, then rarely have I found art in them. I've found them to be mostly formulaic and contrived, nothing of substance. Call me a cynic. Sure I've found good entertainment in most of them, but not art. Nowadays you just see remakes of the old classics, remakes of foreign films, comic book adaptations, or video game adaptations. To me it just seems Hollywood is running out of ideas.

The Departed one of my most recent favorite movies was very entertaining. It was based off of Infernal Affairs which I found even more entertaining. Did I find it artistic? Actually, yes but because the screenwriting was brilliant, not so much how Hollywood made its mark on it or the high-profile actors and directing.

flashtut

I really enjoyed downloading the client, doing all that, then finding out it was North America-only. That was the best part. Finding out I couldn't play it.

I just want Blitz 1941 to come back. Come back, Blitz 1941. You were the best MMO ever.

[jp]

+ Watch video

When is that pulling itself back out of Korea-only?! The worldwide servers were jam-packed when the open beta was on.

pylon_trooper

@celery:

Art is subjective. I was in no way trying to define the meaning of art, just my own interpretation. I can do that, right?

flashtut

@flashtut:
Well you're right: nowadays hollywood-based cinema sucks donkey balls, and the best word you could say about big budget films usually is "entretaining" but that doesn't disqualify cinema as a form of art. There are still some movies every now now and then that have that certain spark of creativity and talent that makes them artistic. Maybe It's one-in-a-million kind of event, but it's there.

The same could be said about videogames, to a lesser extent due the profit-based structure and immature status of the industry.

Anyway Art is subjective almost by definition so we're both wrong and right. It's always insteresting to discuss such thinghs, tough.

P.S: "The Departed", uh? I'll watch it, thanks for the recommendation.

Fulgurator

@Fulgurator:

I can understand where you're coming from.

You may or may not like The Departed. It's one of those movies you may find entertaining but you may not agree that it's artistic in nature. But I don't think it'll be a total waste of time for you, at least I hope not.

flashtut

@flashtut:

Yeah, yeah, I'm not trying to prove you wrong, sorry if I sounded harsh at any moment. I just wanna discuss the matter, in fact I wanted to know your point of view.

Fulgurator

This game is awful, it has fail netcode with hoppy players, wonky physics and the list goes on. The first server I joined was full of kids making racist comments about a spanish speaking person instead of just launching the game, I thought I had wandered back into xbox live. Points for trying to make a free game people can enjoy, but no thank you.

OoBaSNoRk

The game looks nice, but where is question #4?

jus227

@OoBaSNoRk: racism on the internet? NO WAI!

isobelle

@isobelle:
Thats like people making statements with no evidence to back it up.

Oh wait.

Terrorsaur.

"just download the client and start shooting people in the face."

I'm sold.

Chef

le sigh...

Just downloaded it and installed to find out it's only available for people from the only country in the world, United States.

nitram100

@nitram100: I do have that problem with a lot of other free to play games though. Region restrictions due to licensing, always. Sometimes I can get them to let me in anyway since I'm stationed here and not a Japanese national, sometimes they stick to their 'omg ur ip sayz ur japonese' guns. *shrug* Oh well.

Revenge_of_Nekojin

@nitram100: Eh? I'm in Japan and I can play it. I have a US Nexon account though.

Revenge_of_Nekojin