@Snokie:

I played the game.. played the first 2 before it.. I after beating the second one I didn't get any excitement for the 3rd one.. and then I played Halo 3....

and don't call me a fanboy for bashing Microsoft's Console Mascot.. I'm bashing the game for the game.. not because it's in Xbox360..

Tychonius

@Coquiton:

I guess you aren't familiar with the Rigid Inflatiable Boats the US SEAL teams use now. A tiny rubber boat is definitely less safe then their floating elevators in my opinion

Knee Coal As

@Docwastaken: I totally agree i think the ai still looks pretty bad. But they have from now till february. Im hoping enough people rip them for it so theyll get that fixed.

snakepliskin

@CaveHonkey:

There have been plenty of good PS3 games already, where the hell have you been for the past 2 years?

LittleBigPlaneteer

This game looks great. I dont know why people are complaining about innovation, im not sure what was so innovative about cod4 yet it sold by the bushel. And i think the actual gameplay is pretty damn close to the pre rendered stuff, i think gametrailers has the side by side and its a pretty fair comparison.

snakepliskin

The graphics look absolutely killer. The animation and rag doll effects look top notch as well.

But.... I can't help but fell the enemy AI in the video looks completely retarded. Guy pile out of a armored vehicle and just crouch right in front of it. At about a 1:30 a guy runs fires at the player, runs up to the top of the steps right in front of him and then turns and looks another direction.

With as big of a budget as they have I'd imagine they'll fix stuff like that before launch. Other than that it looks great.

Docwastaken

href="#c6644887">Coquiton: Well if the Helghast can shoot it down... may as well give them the chance to jump off the fucking thing before it explodes.

JMDavis07

This might be the first good game for the PS3. Let's hope it isn't a piece of crap like the first one.

CaveHonkey

looks good at least. Hopefully it'll play as good as it looks.

Cactuar

@Tychonius:

I see you still have your fanboy armor on, so if you can peek from behind it for a minute, I'd like to offer at least one great innovation that Bungie made in Halo 3 that NO OTHER developer even tried yet.

The real-time 3d save films of the matches is one of the greatest things about Halo 3. I work in the industry, and when the game cam out, everyone was saying "how the hell did Bungie do that". It's one thing to make a great, fluid multiplayer FPS, and another to automatically save every match to the hard drive for viewing later.

I'm not a fanboy for either console, but damn. Saying Halo 3 has nothing innovative just makes you look like:

1. A fanboy, or
2. Somone who never played the game

Snokie

Wow, this looks amazing.

Bigfoot

Well damn, it looks like someone finally "gets" the whole next-generation thing.

At least it this is proof that SOMEONE at Guerilla has ambition.

JMDavis07

@wanion: The devs have already confirmed that there will be more lively and colorful environments than what has been shown in the trailers so far. Going off the first game (and the PSP release), I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt there.

Deviation59

It looks great, sounds pretty good too.

DaftDethMonkey

oh god, oh god, oh my god- here it- AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Actually happened whilst viewing this gameplay footage.

kingdong6

Nice animation.

JokesJokes

@Snokie:

Agreed.. if any of these guys seen the interview with.. I think it was one of the producers.. He said that the Video was a concept and a "goal" for them..

but of course Sony execs wanted to keep everybody's panties(especially the fanboys) wet.. they said it was a "actual gameplay Footage"....

Believe the developers.. not the Executives!!!

Tychonius

@kojirodensetsu:
Forge is a crappy map editor. If I could make real maps and not gimmicks in Forge, then it would be amazing. Please don't try to bring up anything in Halo 3 as innovative, because it's not. Halo 3 just added more to Halo 2, that's it. Mention Half-Life (anything), Bioshock, COD4, or even Gears if you want to mention something being innovative.

Sammo21

i hate that confirm your age shit, ppl will still watch

shinko

@DigiMish:

It looks good, but still a far cry from the infamous E3 video. To be fair, I don't think this generation of consoles (either Sony or MS) will be giving us anything that looks like that E3 video.

The video was huge lie, just forget it and move on. There's no way to rationalize what Sony did in 2006.

It doesn't make Killzone 2 any less of a game, mind you, I just think everyone is better off forgetting about that bullshit video and focusing on the actual game.

Snokie

I have to admit, those guys seem to be sparing no expense. Really, really cool sneak peak at the work going into this game. Definitely a AAA title, no mistake about that. Now let's just hope it's a bit more fluid than the first game. I wanted to so much to like it, but it felt like playing a shooter trapped in fudge or something. Sluggishness, your name is Killzone #1. Now, let's fix that and have a good time.

wild homes has kung-fu grip!

This is why I refresh every 5 minutes...... wow

Snowdaddy

@kojirodensetsu:

lol the only innovation in Halo 3 is graphics upgrade from Halo 2.. Forge is not a gameplay mechanics.. it's a map editor thing.. take Forge out and you'll have a Halo 2.5..

Seriously.. stop looking at the obvious and look for the minute detail in the video... did you see the cover system? pure FPS cover system.. do you know of any other FPS that uses a cover system where the camera stays true to First-Person and not go out like Rainbowsix Vegas?

Drop the Fanboy armor and start acting like you have a brain.

Tychonius

This is game will be amazing in so many ways.. I hope it's everything I hope it will be :)

SerenadeRocker

Oh. My. God.

kingofrain

i nearly pooped in my trousers wow, only problem.. doesnt seem like the environments are very destructible

nismo13

Man, this game on an HD set is going to be so damn hot. I mean this is just a compressed video I'm watching and the detail is really impressive. I didn't even have much interest in this game but that looks so good. Pardon my excitement, lol

LittleBigPlaneteer

@Capitalist_Bagel: Yeah, I use a mouse and keyboard on my PS3 for UT3, mostly just to piss off a PC-elitist in my dorm.

jfm3

Holy shit, I thought some comments above were exaggerating but that gameplay footage looks pretty damn great.

LittleBigPlaneteer

Not bad! Looks pretty nice.

However, I still giggle when I see their air transports,
I mean, the least you could do is give soldiers a little more safety than an ankle-high fence!
I mean, not even a strap or brace...just a foot high grate on a wide open (and shaky, I assume) platform. Yikes!

Coquiton

@MyLittlePwny:

And play killzone 2 with them?

Capitalist_Bagel

Looking good, love how chaotic the whole battlefield is. Hope that this isn't another one of those games where the enemies just wait for you to shoot them down though.

_Bear

Looks good I'll give it that. Gameplay wise it looks like just another generic console shooter. So it'll need some new and innovative features for me to be envious of PS3 owners (an example of an innovative feature for a console FPS would be forge in Halo 3 which is damn fun).

kojirodensetsu

I'm starting to look forward to this. Although to fair, I also just said that about Saints Row 2. The original Killzone wasn't great, but had lots of potential (at least the weapons felt solid, that's always a nagging issue with a lot of FPS's). Hopefully they're fixing the weak enemy AI.

On the other hand, one of the things I really liked about the first one was the environments were beautiful, whereas this looks like another trip to Browntown.

wanion

did Luke just confirm that Killzone 2 is going to have balls in it? Maybe I don't want to play K2 on my HD tv after all....

Sammo21

@Capitalist_Bagel:

You could if you wanted to.

MyLittlePwny

ummmm... i just filled the preverbal cup

jaws3people0

That line reminds me of this pic I saw at bangbros...teh pr0n.

MyLittlePwny

Looks good. Too bad I can't hook up a keyboard and mouse to my PS3.

Apparently everyone uses assault rifles in the future.

Capitalist_Bagel

@phantomlink: lol

i am totally speechless. It's what i thought it would be. im waiting for someone to talk shit about it(Do it punk make my day)

blackpanther25

Oh, this looks like the level from the infamous E3 CG video.

DigiMish

wow, keeps looking better can't wait for this game, plus info at e3

JackDaniels19

I just came

phantomlink

This game is amazing man im going to be playing this all day, this and MGS4 of course which i am waiting for emblems for aha.

Elijah Man

Public Service Announcement:

This is not a post about Halo.

the_funny_thing_is

Oh no!
One of the voice overs said (at 1:07)
"I feel like a spare prick at a gang bang"

Which unfortunately means that the game is rubbish.
Shame, looked good too.

TokeYo

@gstatty: You can try coloring it yourself if your warranty is expired and you want to risk it. A guy made a really good Gunmetal Gray PS3 after seeing Konami's.

Anyway, I'm really excited for this game, but I want to see more locations. They've said that they're basically done and could get the game out this fall, but there's too much competition to release it then, so I know they have some good footage available :D

mfwahwah

@Snokie:
Please make sure you include "in a console shooter" when you are talking about all those innovate things.

Sammo21

Looks preety good but I have a couple nit picks. Why does the grnade make nosie befoe it blows up? and from the vid (I could be wrong) do you have cock the gun every timed you reload? You should only have to do that if the gun is completely empty (One of the things I hate about Bad Company >.<) and lastly this is a probleam in all FPSs the battle field could have 50 guys on it but "you" have to do every thing, but that how all games are I guess, and some one mentioned the bullpuped M4. They have them in the first Appleseed movie and speaking of animes the bad guys in Killzone are dead ringers for the Wolf Brgadde is Jin- Roh

CrimsonSin

WIN!

ZetaCrossfire

@Snokie:

I don't think that's a valid point to argue over. You can argue about how Halo 1 used the health\armor system and how other games started using that system more. But in this case the save feature of Halo 3 isn't that of a ground breaking feature that every game from this point on will include. Speaking of saved replays, aren't those in many 3d RTS games? the concept is already out there, just fitted for Halo 3 this time around.

Dubdoob

@3inst3in:

Well the FCC reviewed the Ceramic White one so I think it's definitely being released here sooner or later. I think it's coming this holiday and will replace the 40GB model.

LittleBigPlaneteer

@Snokie: its not

It exactly like halo 2 but with better graphics and like different grenades. story mode still sux. Alot of my hardcore halo friends (including me) prefer halo 2 over 3. so don't come here saying crap. You got nothing on me i got halo 1, 2 copies of halo 2, and halo 3 (its the only reason why i bought a 360).

blackpanther25

looks amazing, AI looks retarded though.

kevinl

@gstatty: *my troll sense it tingling* Witz? You there? Haven't lost your hammar yet have you?

-oG-ShAdY

If it has an incredible story line and isn't like all the other shooters, then Sony may have just raised the bar on First Person Shooters.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see :D

BebytheBeast

As the resident fanboy... I have to say: this game is improving overall. I still would like to see improvements in the enemy AI (not running into Sev down the steps without firing a shot), Sev's facial animation (when he was using the turret he didn't seem to even react to it's firing), and more variety in the camera cutouts (looked like the same angle on the Helghast soldiers the whole time, with exception of the two turret scenes). I really did like to see this video before E3. I feel it was GG's (Guerrilla) way of keeping the eager gamers happy. Thanks for the post Luke.

-oG-ShAdY

@IntelSilver: how*

IntelSilver

I like hot they move when they're getting fragged.

Dance, puppets. Dance.

IntelSilver

@gstatty: are they actually planning a ceramic white ps3? sony is notoriously stingy with north american color variants.

3inst3in

I'm still skeptical. but it does look pretty good. and, wtf, is that a bullpup m4? oh, teh futurez!

3inst3in

the ps3 is just a big george foreman grill, it has no games, sixaxis is stupid, psn sucks, online play sucks, sony is too cocky, rumble, hah, welcome to current gen.... okay now that we've hopefully covered all the shit people will say about the ps3, i'm still holding out for a ceramic white ps3 to match my psp, i don't want to import it just so i can not watch localized movies, i guess i'll have to wait until christmas when it comes out, and i take michael pachter's job at predictions

gstatty

one of the best looking game ive seen that is not crysis.

darktorns

Whatever filters they have going on there to give it that 'real' feel are really working well. I don't know if it's the lenseflareish/bloom effect or the motion blur or what, but it really comes together well. Might have to actually play the game.

sircuddles

@LittleBigPlaneteer: Don't worry about me, I've been playing some great games since 2005.

I hope they release a demo before this game hits the shelves.

CaveHonkey

The Visuals are stunning. I thought I was watching a pre-rendered cutscene at first.

Thugmunk

@Snokie: The whole film save thing wasnt all that impressive to me simply because my brother is the biggest battlefield 2 fanboy and he would not shut up about how bf2 had game saves long before halo 3.

snakepliskin

@Snokie: true, however you forgot

3) a douchebag

On topic, I think this game looks awesome. Hopefully it will be one of the games that starts to take full advantage of ps3's processing power.

the_funny_thing_is

@kojirodensetsu: I agree. I'm sure it will be a great and entertaining game, but other than pretty visuals, it looks like just another shoot-em up console game.

Now before I recieve the death threats, keep in mind that I do plan on playing it, I just don't think it brings anything new to the party. More like the good, but shitfaced karaoke singer at the party.

accioaaron

@NeVeRMoRe666: To clarify, 4 player on one console is what I meant. Sorry!

NeVeRMoRe666

I would totally drool if this game had 4 player online co-op or even general 4 player co-op like Halo 3 did. Not trying to start anything again, especially since everyone simmered down a bit but that would be total win.

Why don't more games have that. I would love that so bad. I was so disappointed that COD4, Battlefeild, Rainbow Six Vegas 2 took so many steps backwards from that.

NeVeRMoRe666

@genbeef: That's because this is *actual* in-game footage. And the colors don't bother me; they fits well with the setting (that's what matters to me). Not to mention this is only one part of one level in the whole game.

mfwahwah

Looks to good to be true...gotta see a HUD

Beyene

Bitchin'.

Telecinision

@ Luke: don't you mean "Oh dear: a killzone trailer?"

thejakeman has died of dysentry

Am I missing something that everyone else on here is not? I don't see what looks so amazing about this graphically. The framerate looks great and I love the animated ragdoll death animations but I dunno... like I said, I must be missing something.

hammerhand

grey n brown. also it kinda looks downgraded from the last vids :/

genbeef

Even if it ends up being simply Call of Duty in the future with awesome graphics, and enemies that control the weather, it'll be fun.

I hope to hear a bit about co-op and multiplayer plans at E3!

Boxelder

I dunno. It looks like it combines the gameplay of Call of Duty 4 with the cheesy dialogue of Haze.

It looks promising, but I'm not very impressed.

AJMarra

yum !

Sergius

@feartheraven:

it's a suprise.. don't tell anyone!!!

(just like what MGS4 did.. it showed only the middle eastern levels)

Tychonius

goddammit. the graphics look fantastic, but can you add some color other than grey and orange? i know the enviroments are supposed to be varied, so can you please show off some other levels?

feartheraven

Looks very promising. It's very grey and dark, but that's part of the ultra Gothic design of Killzone, so it works out ok.

Thorax

@-oG-ShAdY:

Oops, my bad. Just read the old thread. He is, indeed, hanging up the Hammer of Ban.

I shall have to steal it from him...

PapaBear434

@-oG-ShAdY: his "rant" was a description of the stereotypical responses he expected from the various fanboy facions. read the full post. cheers.

3inst3in

@PapaBear434: Ya, it kind of gets tiring hearing everything compared to Halo all of the time. The funny thing about the fanboyism and trolling is that its not going to change anyone's opinion. And that goes for lovers and haters alike. O well, let them waste their breath.

the_funny_thing_is

There is something about Killzone 2 that just gets me all excited. The graphics are amazing , the gameplay looks solid, and if the story is even slightly better than the first Killzone, it will truly be a PS3 showcase.

This game reminds me of CoD4, more specifically it reminds of Infinity Ward. If Guerilla were out of the picture and Infinity Ward introduced this game as their own sci-fi FPS( which apparently they might be making) I would not be in disbelief. This game has a certain feel and polish that reminds of what one of the better FPS developers, Infinity Ward, is capable of. It is a great thing to witness the rise of what may be an amazing developer. I am looking forward to what Guerilla will offer PS3 owners in the future.

Noks415

@PapaBear434: To be fair, the whole Halo-killer thing came from the gaming press, not from Sony or Guerrilla - and it all stemmed from the PS2 having such a huge install base and Guerrilla actually attempting to put out a graphically impressive shooter on the PS2 hardware.

Deviation59

Yet another First Person Shooter...

*yawns*

大漢中

Cant F'n wait.

Hellion86

Definitely getting this game.

XeroKool

@the_funny_thing_is:

That is a good PSA, but you know it's going to happen. The first Killzone was supposed to be the PS2's "Halo Killer." So even though no one on the development team has said anything about Killzone 2 taking on the Champ, people assume that Killzone should live up to this level or be considered completely shit otherwise.

PapaBear434

hot damn. When I expected next-gen graphics I expected this, though Naruto Ultimate Ninja Storm certainly surprised me with the best cell shading I had ever seen.

SolidOni

The graphics are something to admire and some of the best I have seen yet. I can't help but feel like the gameplay is shallow. I had a hard time watching the video, the gameplay felt far to generic and unoriginal. I guess I will just have to wait for the final copy to hit my system.

Imashinu

@-oG-ShAdY: Methinks someone doesn't recognise sarcasm very well.

The thing I liked to see the most about this clip is there was a lot going on. I never played the first one, but the biggest complaint I read about it was that it often felt like the place was really empty (especially for somewhere that was supposed to be in the middle of a war). If the rest of the game is like this clip, then they've done a good job of fixing that complaint.

Cloral

@-oG-ShAdY:

I don't think Witz is really losing the hammer so much as he's going to share the duty with another. I may have misunderstood that, of course, but I don't think he's hanging it up. He's just getting some backup.

PapaBear434

looks like a cg but it's not!!!

eaglesphily1

Looks slicker than snot on a doorknob, as my father used to say. What I'm even more impressed with is that there are very few in here actually putting the game down, and most are actually enjoying the way the game looks and seems to play. The loyalist kiddies must be in bed.

Either way, this fills my heart with joy.

PS Luke: My dad also used to say "Extra dick at an orgy" all the time when I was a kid. I think it goes along the same lines. I used to laugh at it almost every time I heard it, too.

PapaBear434

LMFAO check out that awesome AI at 1:25

pathetic

Murderdolls

@Netnavi: While I agree with that you need to think of it this way.

The speed will work BOTH ways.

Its more of a balancing thing gameplay wise, unless you like dying a lot.

Witzbold

@AJMarra: I got that vibe too. Though it does look nice. I have one complaint: The rockets are too slow ala' Halo 3. Why can't we get some fast moving rockets?

Netnavi

So guys, i think its safe to say it's better than the PS2 Killzone right?

Orionsaint

@hammerhand: Gibs, its missing gibs.

Witzbold

pretty graphics, not really my kind of game i guess, kind of looked like a really busy scene of two tanks and soldiers driving into eachother. pretty impressive physics and other effects though

sohpi

I'll wait until this game is $30 or $20, like I did with the first Killzone, and than get it (preferably $20). When you have a 360 in addition to a PS3, a shooter like this is just not exciting. Sure, the graphics are great, but it's the gameplay that matters most.

kylo4

@Coquiton: Shit man even things like blackhawks and chinooks the folks riding inside of them can get torn to shreds when put under enough heavy fire. So personally Id say its more a matter of luck combined with the pilots skill getting to the LZ safely. Sides its pretty obvious that these vehicles were made for rapid deployment seeing how its easy to disembark from them also giving the squad riding onboard a full 360 view of the area they will be touching down on. It makes pretty good sense. If you notice how quickly they guys are able to get off and how fast the vehicle can take off Id say it would be a pretty decent thing to invest in for a war that appears to be one where you are striking out in the enemy`s home court.

But if you really want to bitch about vehicles being wrong with design lets talk about the helghast apcs with the troops deploying from the front of the vehicle from a sitting to squatting position. Talk about sitting ducks, thats just waiting to be rocketed. Totally defeats the purpose of the wedge shaped front end most APCs have which help "deflect" hits from anti-tank weaponry, in the sense that unless a direct connection from a proper angle, there is a good chance the rocket can glance off or at least the blast will be distributed along the surface instead of going through the armor itself.

Theres a good reason why almost all troop transport vehicles deploy the troops from the rears of the vehicle, so that all the armor up front can absorb the hits as guys unload.

---

@3inst3in: Its not a bad idea actually, the bullpup design would allow for more accuracy while keeping the weapons design to the same length. The downside though is longer reload times. Though if you consider it from the standpoint of game design people will be less able to bitch about how long it takes to reload ones weapon, since in this situation those few extra seconds used for "game balance" with the reloading could be written off to the player using a rifle with a bullpup design. ;D

Personally its quite nice and I find it rather interesting whoever was incharge of the weapon design didnt try to go too far off tangent from the original designs of weapons, so it gives the player a feel that the weapons and such used isnt from too distant of a future.

Hell those frankenstein M4s they got has what looks like to be the EOTech holo sight.

Also whats cool too is the rocketlauncher looks like a reloadable modified version of the M72 - LAW.

The Helghast mounted MGs looks like a modified version of the German MG3.

The rifles the Helghast have a modified FA-MAS.

Really looking forward to what the other weapon designs will be when the game comes out!

Overall real happy with the look of the game.

@-oG-ShAdY: Btw if you had read books on war and such you would see that folks under different circumstances can lose sight of whats going on around them and such "tunnel eye vision" so some things with what is seen with AI can be assumed is going on. Unless its something really blantantly stupid like literally standing infront of eachother face to face but not shooting. Though since the Helghast arent exactly human I guess you can write off the little bit of an explanation on "human" psychology and the effects of ones battle ability.

Oh yeah in regards to the fellow on the MG and not having an expression not everyone does a "war face" when firing mate. Thats only in the movies for dramatic effect. ;D

Witzbold

I hope the A.I. gets better between now and release.

A lot of the encounters in that clip are pretty lame, especially the clip of the guy getting shot on the stairs.

Still, it is gorgeous and will hopefully be a killer-app for the PS3.

elpierce

I'm sorry but while the graphics do look pretty awesome the gameplay looks generic, the ai looks weak, and the landscapes look boring. Also, why is that the only weapon that has been shown?

ifalldownstairs

Ah Killzone. I did love the first one, probably more for the setting than the actual game. I just popped it in the other day and immediately noticed the stuttering framerate-exceptionally bad after coming off a round of COD4! After I adjusted to the framerate I began to remember what I loved about this game: atmosphere. Sure it's mostly gray and brown, but that does help keep you in the war-torn-story mode. The original KZ had an atmosphere and setting that deserved a sequel.

And the sequel is looking nice! Nice to see a vehicle in here, something I missed in the first game. The cover/camera staying in first person looks interesting and different than other games. Not saying that makes this game "innovative", just interesting. Not sure about those zoom-outs when you jump on a turret. I assume (hope) those are there for dramatic effect for this trailer, or are integrated better as gameplay before 02/09/09.

crashlanding

@Snokie:

Not like that has been possible in PC FPS's ala Half-Life TV and SourceTV demos for Counter-strike and the like

jisf0rjosh

Wow. That looks impressive. Here is hoping there is decent character customization.

Heihachi.vs.Kazuya

It looks nice but it's the same thing we saw in Killzone 1. Decent graphics, some pretty nice art direction but horrid gameplay and laughable AI. Why on earth do any of you think otherwise from the gameplay footage we've seen? We're seeing some lame duck and cover gameplay that has been done and will be done 100x times better.

Pretty graphics makes everyone go woooooooooah.

DigitalVirus

@wanion: Dude, did you see the freaking sky in that? That was so cool looking.

Amazon_Chris

the graphics are amazing no doubt about that but the animations are trash for example the scene that's on the screen before you hit play where they are getting off of the apc their feet aren't even touching the ground they walk on air and the dust the vehicles kick up looks like garbage

sfcchappy

CORRECTION...

Everyone saying it's not CG... It's CG... ALL GAMES are CG, whether they're in engine or prerendered is the difference. CG means computer generated... that means everything ever shown on a game except live action footage is CG. All the way back to Pong...

And the game looks good, but I don't care anymore... Seriously? I got MGS4, so I'm done with shooters... The FPS games were a holdover until MGS4 and some RPGs... With no RPGs on the horizen, I only really have a 360 to look forward to... Which I'm not happy about.

bobtheduck

wow after just watching the Operation Flashpoint 2 trailer then looking at this i have to say this game looks shit. I don't get what is making people think it is amazing. The scenary looks awful, like something pre-Half Life 2. Just the same looking walls over and over. The hit animations suck, look at the bit where a bad guy runs down the stairs and he gets shot point blank almost in the legs. He puts his arms in the air then makes a ouch expression then clutches his stomach and falls over. Is that what we have gone back to? What happened to people being knee capped and limping/crawling on the floor?

All it is basically is some nice graphics but the same generic poor gameplay with no variety at all. Without the amount of decent fps games that have been out in past few years it is a shame to see the series returning to what this game will be, over hyped and boring.

Trid3nt

I like the rendering engine. I don't know about the game itself. So you shoot people. Is that it? I own Resistance, CoD4 and Warhawk. Those games I get. I hope there's more to this than meets the eye.

nou_phabmixay

@Murderdolls:

okay.. looking back at that moment.. here's what the A.I.'s programing is basically saying:

"OH SNAP GRENADE - GO RUN away"
----Back to fight mode----
"ENEMY!! TWO OF THEM!! SHOOT ONE THAT YOU ARE FACING!"
---Aiming at THE NPC!!!----
--end--

didn't you see the AI ran away from the grenade instead of staring at it?

If you want to know what it feels like to be playing with HORRIBLE A.I. play the SOCOM series on the PS2...

seriously.. if you're gonna watch this video wearing a "flaw detector" goggles that detects flaws with no reason behind it then take them off right now.. :)

K thnx bye..

Tychonius

Yeah the AI killed the original Killzone for me. I have massive faith in this though since the Killzone for PSP that came out fairly recently was pretty damn good.

MrSatan

Hot DAMN I still can't believe that's in-game...amazing.

Morithain

And as I forgot to add, the fanboyism on both lines, 360 and PS3.

HotFootMcCook

The fanboyism in these comments is amusing.

Oh so amusing.

HotFootMcCook

The 360 fanboy sure have come out of the woodwork to talk shit about this game.

kadaj24

I hope this game doesn't turn out to be just some pretty piece of mediocrity.

Otherwise this game looks amazing, and hopefully it'll have enough exciting moments and original gameplay.

@DigitalVirus: You know you're lying when you say 'decent graphics".

All the 360 fanboys need to stfu about this game, seriously.

kadaj24

I felt like pointing out a flaw ^ =)

I'll still check it out though just for the graphics themselves.

Murderdolls

@大漢中: Aye, I tend to agree. Though it looks great it's hard to see how this is pushing the genre forward (if that's possible with FPS). Still, it's early days I suppose.

Captain_Willard

@DigitalVirus:
And that is any different from COD4, Halo1,2,3, or 98% of other shooters why?

This, in my opinion, looks like a sci-fi COD4...which is fine with me. Also, your criticism about ppl being excited for this without any real reason is dumb, because the same can be said for all the stuff you are bashing it about.

Sammo21

@kadaj24: I phrased that totally incorrect, sorry.

kadaj24

It looks amazing, I'll give it that, but I'm more excited for Resistance 2, especially for its multiplayer. Seperate online class-based co-op campaign? Yes please!

Arelan

@Witzbold: Been a while since I've read one of your posts that were this long, and so well put too.

el_rezzo

I REALLY hope this game does have some actual colour in it, in all the footage i've seen, it was all a gray mess.

But, looks nice either way, I hope the gameplay and story are good too.

Horusz

I just can't stand when a game 6-7 months from coming out thinks he knows everything about the game.

kadaj24

@DigitalVirus: I know that a lot of stuff is just a matter of opinion, but graphically, it looks better than COD4 and Gears for sure. Why else do all these gaming sites praise the graphics so much? The game itself may not be better, but it's hard to argue with the graphics. Levels bland? They only show 1 level, calm down. The AI does look crappy from what was shown, but they're only brief scenes, hopefully this isn't gonna be a problem in the final game. If the gameplay looks 'amusingly generic' how is COD4 much better on first look? (btw, i freakin love COD4)

kadaj24

This looks amazing, living up to my expectations thankfully. Looking forward to being able to play this and R2. PIcked up K:Liberation for the PSP the other day and was also very impressed.
@_Bear: Best avatar ever.

@DigitalVirus: Until I play the game I won't say the AI is bad, canned footage isn't exactly the best indication.

el_rezzo

To be honest this has some HELLA good graphics but Im hoping the AI only seems dumbed down in order to showcase the action and not kill the player.

Terrorsaur.

I guess you could say I agree entirely with the user, ifalldownstairs.

ademu

Maybe I've played too many FPS's lately, but this looks freakin' generic, which is amazing, coming from me, since I loved the original KZ, which has been at least 3 upped by now, bros.

ademu

@kadaj24:

Maybe you need to relax a little. The game looks good, it doesn't any better than COD4 or even Gears of War 1. It's a good looking game, no one will contest that. However, the levels are looking bland, the AI is look down right awful and the gameplay amusingly generic.

So, go ahead and bask in it's glorious grays and the dark contrast art direction until the game comes out.

DigitalVirus

@Tychonius: Actually I was watching the video enjoying it and that AI stuck out like a sore thumb sorry.

The guy aimed at his character ran up to him and aimed to the right... yeah game of the year for sure

We'll see when it comes out if the AI is as bad as the first KZ

kthxbai

Murderdolls

@Witzbold: That was probably the longest post I've seen in a long time.

Amazon_Chris

@Trid3nt: Rewatch the video. He wasn't shot in the leg, and it's pretty obvious too.

mfwahwah

This game is going to be epic. It's pretty, intense and looks fun to play.

thinred

look good. I remember when they previewed this game awhile ago, the AI was so stupid. Graphically, it looks nice, however if you watch a high quality version of this video, you can tell that some of the textures are low resolution and ugly, meanwhile the polygons are nice, kind of like Half-Life 2. The character and weapon models have nice texture. I predict that this game will get a (8.5/10) score.

tokyoshi

This is looking pretty good, but I do have some issues with it. The environments all look the same. How boring is that going to be if everything is an asphalt laden factory? The rifle noise seems like it could get really annoying after a while. The AI looks horrible and the in-game dialog sounds like it was written by the high school football team.

My biggest complaint is that when the person is in the trench at the beginning (and everytime thereafter), he takes aim, pulling the gun's sight to eye level the entire environment zooms in. Even the stuff that's not in the sight and just in the peripheral vision. It looks like a red dot anyways... why would it magnify? Is this bad art direction, poor attention to detail? It just looks bad.

j13

@DigitalVirus: And that's all people are saying, is that it LOOKS good. No one is trying to say anything more. And who cares if they haven't proven themselves. Before Bungie produced Halo did everyone say "Don't praise it, they haven't proved themselves?" Same goes for Infitity Ward before COD2, and so on.

kadaj24

I'm one of the few the proud ((dudes who enjoyed KillZone 1)) so I'm excited for KillZone2

DarthWind

Aside from gameplay and all that other junk I can't judge on;

I wish games would either stop zooming in when you aim down the sight, or only zoom in the scope section and not zoom in the other portions when you aim. Doesn't really bug me, but that sort of perception would really get me way more immersed in the game.

OiScout

That has to be the funnest thing I have every heard in a game. Anyway, the game is looking so good; however, if I remember correct the first one looked really good, but the gameplay was lacking. Yet, I still have hope for Killzone 2.

H3lloWorld

@Tychonius:
I totally agree with you man, Halo 3 in my opinion was a let down I expected so much more. Online play is still fun but the single player mode fell short.
Killzone 2 on the other hand looks great I've been waiting for this game to come out for the longest time!!!

W-Force4

@Sammo21:

Your praising a game based on pretty scenes from a developer that has yet to prove itself. I'm not saying don't get excited, I'm not saying the game doesn't look good, but take caution in your praise cause you really haven't seen anything but pretty scenes. That is all.

DigitalVirus

@kadaj24: So, which of these lackluster to rockstar developers are you referring? I am curious.

As far as Killzone Liberation. Metacritic says it earned an average of 77. Not "really high" by any means. [www.metacritic.com] so there, back atcha!

I'm not saying it can't pull it off. I hope it does. A good game is a good game and something to be enjoyed. I'm just saying it has a lot of history to overcome and some flashy clips and pretty pictures don't make a good game. Graphics are only one element that makes a game enjoyable. The proof is in the playin', puddin'! I'll give it its day in court, but until then, paint me skeptical.

j13

@kadaj24: I'd also like to know why some games are immediately dismissed as "graphically lacking" by some people who otherwise sound fairly intelligent. You know, the likes of bashing Gears of War or MGS4 as not being graphical powerhouses.

I have a hunch that people just focus on one aspect of the overall graphics package - be it the lighting, textures (always with the textures, like people even knew what they were before this generation), resolution, or some other tiddly little thing - and somehow all the other work that made every other area of the game great is irrelevant. People need to get over the "low resolution texture" or "640p" or "low poly characters" and appreciate what the developers are doing.

Sorry this turned into a anti-anti-graphics rant; I just read a bunch of comments today that amount to the same stupid argument.

Datheron

@Zeliard:

Er... Kotaku apparently screws up this particular linkage. Copy/paste the link into your address bar and you can download it (720p wmv).

[download.gamevideos.com]

Zeliard

@crashlanding:

Glad I'm not the only one who liked the first one for the atmosphere. Yeah the first game was buggy as hell (epecialy that port level) but they nailed the gritty atmosphere.

I don't know why people are complaining about the color. It's an industrial area not a theme park, and too much color seems to give things a sort of plastic look, as opposed to the dirty gritty look they're obviously going for.

Bricked

@bobtheduck: Wow, don't you feel all smart for knowing what an acronym means despite a general understanding of what "CG" means?

Datheron

@sh0v0r: I think they just do that for the video, at least I hope so because that is lame as hell.

kadaj24

Looks really impressive. I still enjoyed Killzone 1 a lot. The premise and setting wasn't all that unique but it was enjoyable. The Helghast are some scary baddies and thought their "cause" was just as flattering as ISA's.

Killzone 2 is going to be fun. All I'm looking forward to is some new enviroments. Hopefully at E3 they'll toss a video out showing some new locations. It's not exactly the color scheme that people are getting frantic about but rather it's the same location. If say another location has an entirely different look, I'd shut my mouth.

As for the AI, it's not that bad. Not as bad as the first one or a lot of games out today. Just the same old, same old.

Reule

Looks pretty generic to me...polished but generic.

What the hell is going on at points in the video where the player aims at some enemies and then the camera switches to look back towards the player. E.g. when he uses the turret heavy weapon and it cuts to a shot of the player firing the weapon. THAT IS A REALLY BAD IDEA!!! Cinematic maybe, annoying in the heat of the moment? YES!

I'm getting sick of this trend of games trying to force cinematics into gameplay. In this example its a poor design decision as it will pull the player out of the moment right when they're ready to kick arse. It had better be an option to switch off.

sh0v0r

@Trid3nt: The Operation Flashpoint 2 trailer was all CG, if you're gonna troll, do it right.

Noks415

@j13: Okay then, pick any other developer that has made a couple lackluster titles before making something good or great. Many developers aren't instant successes. Besides, is that even a good argument for why you can't be excited for a game? Besides, Killzone Liberation was incredible and got really high reviews and remarks, so there.

kadaj24

@j13:
I agree about the dialogue. I heard one guy say, "I feel like a spare prick at a gangbang." Give me a break.

kadaj24

@kadaj24: Actually... Marathon and its sequels were amazing FPSes that were produced by Bungie years ahead of the Halo series. To quote wikipedia, "Infinity Ward's first title, Call of Duty, won over 80 Game of the Year awards and 47 Editor's Choice Awards". Both Bungie and Infinity Ward had more than proved themselves before the launch of Halo and COD2.

I for one am saying that Guerilla's past endeavors have been pretty darn lackluster. Pretty pictures and clips are just that. If the gameplay and AI sucks, the game probably will too. I hope that's not the case, but based upon the past...

j13

Hunted in the page source for a link to the wmv 720p version:

[download.gamevideos.com]

Feed it to your HDTV, folks. The game is a graphical masterpiece.

Zeliard

It looks very shiny, but they need to tone that motion blur WAY down. Way, WAY down. Also, the rest of it... I don't know. I get the sense that if Sony wasn't making such a big deal out of it, people wouldn't really care this much. I guess that's the way it works, though.

Rabish12

@OiScout: Its used as an incentive to get folks to use the aimed mode over firing from the hip.

Yes it would be great if it didnt zoom and all that, but then most of the folks who have never fired a real gun before would freak out over how "difficult" and pointless it would be to use the aimed mode at all.

Witzbold

this game looks awesome. with all the time they have they better not dissapoint... it better NOT be another haze like game

jove

@kojirodensetsu: Like anyone would give a damn if you're envious of PS3 owner or not.

ksins5

I wasn't all to interested at first. But i think I'll now be definitely adding this to my list of purchases.

MentalNote

@Trid3nt: There are some pretty stupid comments in here, but yours tops them all. The Operation Flashpoint trailer was NOT gameplay, its CG. Chances are that its not even engine rendered. Its like sqeenix's 'cool' FF trailers.

harshakamikaze

@Snokie:
It's really not terribly complicated. You just record the movements of everything during the match, and then you feed that script back in to the game engine later. Presto, small save files that you can do basically anything with after the match is over. Also, since you don't need to calculate physics during the replay, you can add an extra layer of shiny to everything.

It's no different that replays in Gran Turismo, for example. Certainly, it's a nice feature to have, but there's nothing particularly wondrous or even innovative about it. I certainly don't see how it would leave people who are "in the industry" scratching their heads.

serversurfer

@Datheron: CG as an arconym for pre-rendered footage in videogames is flawed. CG can mean so wide range of things, digitally painted images, movie special effects, videogame graphics, etc. It's a general term used by wide range of professionals in different industries for different purposes. If you really want to be clear what you mean it's better to use pre-rendered and realtime.

ara

@Gunhaver: COD4 doesnt have a cover system for a good reason.

With the way they did the penetration system for the different weapons and such the last thing you want to be doing is getting your character stuck to any objects and such.

Witzbold

What sucks for KZ2 I think is that even though Killzone 2 implemented the 'shoot without looking behind a corner' before Gears 2 did, it will be credited to Gears 2 because it'll be released first.

kadaj24

They really need some help with their voice direction and dialogue...I've heard more concerned chatter on a football field, and I'm supposed to believe these guys care that they're being shot at?

Snake726

@j13: That's understandable to be skeptical about, because I still am too. I'm more excited for Resistance 2 because the first was great and had very unique weapons. I'm more aiming my comments to those who have already written this game off as a failure and act as if they've already played the game.

I don't really know much about developers and previous games so I don't know of a specific developer that didn't have failures before hitting it big but I can guarentee they exist. Either way, before a developer releases it's first great game (first overall game or not) it's dumb to say it's not gonna be good because they haven't proven themselves like that one guy said.

kadaj24

Hmm, quite the interesting cover system, this may be the first game to nail the first-person cover. Course, considering that you could pull off most of the same actions in other FPS games without an explicit system in place (I laugh every time I hear people complain that CoD4 has no cover system)...doesn't say much, now does it?

Still, I might rent a PS3 for this if it's hot.

Gunhaver

@Coquiton: "However, I still giggle when I see their air transports,
I mean, the least you could do is give soldiers a little more safety than an ankle-high fence!"

BAH! Soldiers in videogames are so bad-ass they don't even bother to wear helmets and constantly peek behind solid cover with only their vulnerable head visible. Obviously they don't care about safety. : P

ara

@sh0v0r: Since its a trailer Im guessing they did that on purpose with the camera shots. Just to show what it looks like.

Since no designer would be that stupid.

Witzbold

This game is looking pretty, but im still skeptical as to whether it will be good or not. After the crappy first KZ, they have a lot to prove in order to make me say its a good title. Then again, I was one of the few disappointed with MGS4, so its entirely possible that nothing they do will make it anything other than shiny.

RuneX21

Jesus fucking christ... literally amazing.

Rovient

@Netnavi: thinking= enough time to say Oh shi- and dodge it.

Netnavi

I was NOT expecting that.
Wow, I just adore the art direction in Killzone in general but seriously, this just looks stunning.

tehFluffz

@Witzbold: well, no, haha, but I thought the rockets in Halo 2 were perfectly done. Then they screwed it up in 3. Now I see it here also slow. I like a lil more twitch action where you have to think a little about it and react quicker. Actually if they matched Lost Planet rockets speed , that would work. but it's a minor gripe.

Netnavi

Well. I think that the graphics are looking pretty cool. The game looks very Gears in its atmosphere and setting, and very COD in the way that it plays. Graphically it gets a big thumbs up from me.

I do have some reservations however. Firstly, that it's a sequel to the first game, which in my opinion, no matter how you gloss it, was a painfully average game. If it's just going to be the first game in bigger, better looking clothes well, you can keep it.

And i have no idea when the release date is for this, but they really need to work on the AI, collision detection and some of the animations. Looking at certain bits of the video, especially the very first enemy that he kills, the death animations go on too long. Standing there, holding their throats etc....i would still be shooting them, you can't really tell if they are dead or not. And there are bits where you're right nest to the enemy and they are turning away and shooting other things, just waiting for you to blow them away.

Anyway. This new video has me interested. Let's hope that the reports from E3 next week say that it plays like a blinder too. Then i'll be buying it.

nottsville

@Coquiton: I agree their transports look pretty weak. Its like a hovering shopping cart.

Nexus6

lol, why there's so much Xbots in this Topic.

Isn't this a PS3 Exclusive right ? lal.

There's still alot of time before they release this, we might see some minor changes.

Can't wait! :D

xCruciaLx

@Snokie: "The real-time 3d save films of the matches is one of the greatest things about Halo 3. I work in the industry, and when the game cam out, everyone was saying "how the hell did Bungie do that"."

o_O You work in the industry? Where were you and the people around when Quake came out? You could record gameplay and play it back 12 years ago in FPS game. Of course there was no fancy GUI for it, you had to type a console command for it, but it was widely used in Team Fortress matches and speedruns. It's rather trivial task, as serversurfer just explained.

ara

Wow what an improvement since the last showing and that wasn't that long ago.

A lot time from now until release. After the polishing I bet it will come close to what was promised.

Patient

@NeVeRMoRe666: Because of heavy use of scripting when making these games, it doesn't really work if there are multiple people triggering different scripted events at the same time.

For me heavy use of scripting kills the excitement from today's shooters, it was already getting boring in HL2.

These games do not really feel real because all the time you have the feeling that the circus that is unleashing in front of you is happening for you, not because you are in middle of real war or anything like that.

Hansel

Soooo yeah, at 1:40 there is the clip of the player using the machine gun. I didn't know that the protagonist in Killzone was Mr. T. :-D

But graphics aside (which is a pretty big aside, I grant), the A.I. looks questionable and if the game is being written by people who think that the "gang bang" line even approaches acceptable dialogue, I really have my doubts.

YouAteMyCheeto

Wow....look at all that impressive next-gen drab color scheme.

I love any exclusive title thread to see the fanboys in their rosey colored glasses. Graphically it looks ok, but I see nothing to make me think its gonna be the next big thing for the PS3. KZ1 was an overhyped mess that needed more time in the oven.

Looks like a decent to good FPS. Nothing wrong there. But I dont see much more beyond that because there ISN'T more beyond that and fanboy hype just makes me want to point out flaws all the more.

Mal-Content