Me wants some difficult gameplay!!! YES!

rockmanjoey

@ahmeng: lol

teamr

@shrek187: I'm all for great gameplay but their descision to go 8-bit and take all the technical limitations associated with it killed it for me. I don't understand why they can't offer the same classic gameplay with a few more colours, high frame-rate, smooth scrolling, non-flickering sprites and higher resolution.

IronsUK

Mega Man isn't the only one getting hard from this news.

everybest

I'm not exactly fantastic at video games, but I've never had any trouble with any Mega Man games after I was about 14 years old. Do people REALLY think they're that hard? I can cruise through the ones like 5 or 6 (which I've played the least) without continuing, and I can do 1, 2, and 3 pretty much in my sleep (but that's cuz I've played them so much)

Knaaks

@IronsUK: Gameplay>Graphics Known fact to all gamers.

shrek187

Looking at the dissapearing platforms in the trailer. Was enough already to convince me. I love a good challenge. A must download/buy on day one release. ^_^

shrek187

@IronsUK: How does that make the game hard to like? It just makes it more nostalgic.

GyrFal

Harder then Wii Music??

ahmeng

Well they have made a good start by making the game hard to like, with it's 8-bit graphics.

IronsUK

Try difficulty settings. It's the old new fad.

Thetallywacker

Can't wait for this game. Love the fact they're using the old art style.

Also, I think the "we were dying in Mega Man" part is accidentally repeated.

DrLight

Of course Mega Man 9 is hard. When was the last time a Mega Man game was easy, anyway?

I just wish they made it hard by using something like enemy routes or bullet hells to get you in a tough situation, instead of making it hard by gimping the controls to a "shoot forward" position.

Ashurahori

Woah, wait, his name's Takeshita? Totally awesome!

G-rant

@Knaaks: I think you've pretty much explained the reasoning on why Mega Man 9's made this way. In 5 or 6, you have the charge shot, the slide, etc and it can pretty much be used on all enemies. It's sometimes more effective than the weapon weakness.

In the first few games, you were almost completely reliant on memorising levels and weapon weaknesses, to the point that you'd have to play them a ton of times.

Zero1328

So the game is actually hard? I just thought the guy playing it on those E3 videos sucked at it, which is why it looked so difficult.

Here's to hoping they don't make it harder by swapping the A and B button functions like they did on the GameCube collection. Playing games for 20 years one way, becoming accustomed to that control layout, and suddenly I was running into pits shooting away like an idiot and jumping around when I wanted to kill things.

Korby

Yeah, give us hell, Takeshita! Kids today are getting soft!

Shiryu

@everybest: Shouldn't that comment be in this thread?

Go To Comic-Con, Meet Mega Man (And Kristin Kreuk)

AngryTankManMax

Hard as in difficult? Yes please, as long as it doesn't resort to cheap hard (NG2).

JakeDunn

Yeah, well as far as I'm concerned (and only partly because I like to be contrary to general opinion), bring on the easy games.

I mean don't get me wrong I play games in 'normal' mode (not easy, and not hard; except very very occasionally if I've already completed it in normal). But I'm really pleased that the 'normal' mode in most games is now easy enough that you can generally, with some effort, make progress and only rarely get stuck on trying something dozens of times.

I downloaded the Contra demo for DS yesterday (it's on DS download service now, if anyone hasn't noticed) and wow that is a reminder of how games used to suck. Don't get me wrong I'm sure it is great example of that type of game but I played it about 10 times and still didn't get to the end of the demo... The first few times, it was fun. After the tenth time I'd had enough of replaying the same two minutes of game.

quen

So how hard is Mega Man 9? Fucking well 'ARD!

excel_excel

"We didn't want to do Mega Man, but easy."

guuuh?

jeffx

@JakeDunn: from what I remember, Mega Man has never been cheap hard, it's been memorization hard. Enter the screen, remember that this particular enemy has this particular attack/shooting pattern - dodge the shots and remember to shoot the enemy during the half-second they expose themselves. Climb the ladder, and be careful of the gun turrets on both sides - you do remember how often they fire, right?

Also, every boss has a weakness that makes him much-more-beatable, but the weapon you must use against them (usually) comes from another boss, who was naturally weak against another weapon gained from another boss, yadda yadda yadda. Figuring out what the boss is weak to usually eats up your first two attempts.

Chances

I'm fine if it's difficulty is similar to that of the older MM games. They were difficult, but not overly punishing. As long as you picked up the occasional extra life, you should be fine.

If they make it horrendously hard though, I won't be happy.

Dr_Pie

The only severely hard 8-bit Mega Man game was the original. The other five were nothing too significant... especially MM2 and 3.

@G-rant: You are, I'm certain, the very first person ever to mispronounce that name to make it something "funny." Congratulations!

Deuce

@quen: Contra is the only other game besides Mega Man from the NES era that I remember routinely still kicks my ass. A friend and I played Contra WITH the Konami Code and we still didn't make it all the way through without a continue (well he kept stealing my lives.)

Actually I was playing Mega Man 2 last night and I remember now just how freaking hard that game can be.

battra92

@Ashurahori: Mega Man ZX. Was pretty damn easy.

FP Furious_Liver, lacks independence

I can like a hard game, so will pick this one up for sure on the PSN.

boots555

I'm looking forward to Mega Man 9. The decision to make it very hard may result in a lower metacritic score since this generation of gamers have been babied since the early 90s with a flood of easy as fuck games, and Mega Man Battle Network players will piss and moan to no end, but Capcom wants to give us a real Mega Man game, and I'm ready to throw down in Wutaitown.

StillLee

I think there are gamers who miss being challenged by games.

*raises hand*

ninjafetus

@IronsUK: Lol. Gaming noob.

KM91

The first Mega Man.. super cheap. I remember finishing the Fire Man (pretty sure that was him) and after he died his bullet was still flying in the air (I couldn't move) and hit me and I died as well. I just hope they don't bring that back or I will be a very, very sad panda.

RYAMATSU

Excellent, I hope it's the hardest game in the series. I didn't wait this long for Mega Man 9 just to breeze through it in an hour.

bonnebonne

Megaman was hard because it was cheap, like forcing you to memorise the sequence of appearing/disappearing blocks with a drop that would kill you if you made one mistake. It also sent you back to the start of the level if you used a continue, requiring you to do all the shit you'd already done again. It was an artificial way to lengthen a short game, and really I don't think that those sorts of things need resurrecting or that many players outside the very hardcore will respond to it.

I'm happy to be proven wrong, but even if it is a flop, 8-bit graphics and 2D levels won't have cost Capcom much.

photoboy

mmm Mega Man hard...

asTer0id

Capcom doesn't even know what normal is...Super Ghost and Goblins broke me.

Capcom sees it's challenge settings like this.

Easy-Normal

Normal-Hard

Hard-Very Hard

Very Hard-Extreme

Extreme-Jesus May Cry.

*is still sore from Heaven and Hell mode on DMC3*

jenovasilver

I want my Mega Man flaccid. This is unacceptable.

Tyber_Zann

@KM91: Hey, SOMEBODY has to think new 8-bit games are a bad idea, otherwise that's all we'll get for the rest of the year!

IronsUK

Look at that little sly hint of a cheeky smile on his face! He's thinking to himself "I'm totally going to make you cunts die a thousand times in Megaman 9"

excel_excel

@photoboy: It's not as bad as you make it out to be. Those disappearing block segments don't require trial and error. You typically have a little safe zone when you enter the room so that you may study the block pattern before making your first jump. Of course, if you are impatient, you've got Rush.

megaStryke

I don't mind challenge. I'm still not a fan of the old art style, but I guess I have no choice. I just hope they do a next-gen Mega Man soon.

Ryodestined

@ElMuerte: My bad, I was thinking about Ninja Gaiden 2. It's the only thing I've been playing since launch, Path of the Mentor keeps me busy, can't wait to play path of the master ninja.

It's weird, though. I don't like modern hard games. Halo on legendary? I pass. Gears of War on Insane? No, thank you. Contra 4 on very hard? Yes please!

TheContender

Mmmmm. A Proper Hardcore Game. I know someone who will be all giddy over this game. I'll probably be playing it as well just because its a proper Maga Man instead of all this virtual magaman crap of late.

phxhawke

@TheContender: Hmm I had the original Xbox version. I don't think there was a difficulty level until the redux Black.

ElMuerte

@ElMuerte: You should've played it on path of the acolyte instead of path of the warrior then. There is no shame in choosing the easiest difficulty, especially if it's the first play-through. :)

TheContender

Damn. Now want me some Megaman.

Quilt

@Ashurahori: I would LOVE to see some bullet hell in my Mega Man!

Shooting forward is fine, imo. Aside from the weapons that end up giving you 8 direction fire, I think setting Mega Man to a straight forward fire just isn't as negative as some players make it out to be. It adds a decent indoctrination of strategic avoidance that becomes comfortable standard fare as you play more of the titles.

Tubatic

Here's the problem. When I was a kid I had a short attention span and didn't mind dying and replaying the same seciton of game over and over again for a whole evening. Now that I'm 28 have a job and have a life, I want to be able to play a game that fun and enjoyable. I want to be able to play a game and feel like I'm making progress, advancing the stroyline or just seeing new areas. I loved the game play of Ninja Gaiden but hated the fact that they set a mandatory difficulty level on the high end of the difficulty curve and made you play it that way. I loved that game so much I struggled and almost beat it but by the end when they throw you in a room with about 6 freaking huge dinosaurs and a crappy camera I just gave it up.

ElMuerte

@battra92: Contra was a lot more easier when playing alone. You can easely finish it with one life.

And Mega Man 2? A walk in the park compared to the first one.

BLKGHOST

@IronsUK: Riiiiight. Even games like MM9 have more than a 6 month production cycle today. I kinda doubt that there are any other publishers crazy enough to do 8-bit games. Crazy awesome!, but still crazy.

I am so looking forward to this one! Mmmm... difficulty, and real difficulty too. Since its 2-D, there's no artificial difficulty added due to bad cameras (a la Ninja Gaiden). That said, I would love to see a 2-D original MM series game with exquisitely detailed animated backgrounds and such. Games like Lost Winds show there are programmers out there with 2-D artistic chops that can do it.

StrikerGold

@BLKGHOST: Megaman 2 was probably the easiest in the series. Once you got the metal blade, you could take out any enemy really easily. And it was so cheap, you could use it non-stop.

Cloral

@TheContender:

Heh yea, I haven't even touched number 2. However if they decided to add some difficulty levels then it might be worth a gamefly rental.

ElMuerte

As long as they don't go the Contra 4 route and make it so hard that it ruins the game. Contra 4 has what I once heard described as "rectal-tearing difficulty." No kidding.

Arklop

Takeshita? Sir...that name is AWESOME!

Mal-Content

@Ashurahori: Every time a MegaMan 9 topic comes up you complain. It's not going to change. Get over it. :p

kojirodensetsu

What's all this about Megaman 1 being the hardest? It's the only one I can actually beat! That is with me using the pausing trick on the yellow demon and Wily and such, but not the point.

Regardless, I am really looking forward to this, and I'm glad to see other developers following the same idea (particurally Konami with the new Gradius).

Sight

he's right though, when was the last time that there was a game out there that truly challenged the gamer?

skeevy110

I'd like to see Mega Man X9 for WiiWare in the vein of the first three.

M

@IronsUK:
I totally agree. I'm all for the classic gameplay and difficulty, but I'd like some updated visuals and smoothness, too. Hell, why not make an option to switch to the classic 8-bit mode while keeping the default gameplay with updated visuals?
@StrikerGold:
But you agree that you'd like it if there were a new MM game with beautifully animated characters and backgrounds, right? Why not this one?

Obviously, this game's set in stone to be 8-bit, but I'm just stating my opinion here.

Blah8

@Korby: what he said. the swapping of buttons made me LOATHE the collection; which is very, very unfortunate :(

ajacy

@photoboy: You are, quite frankly, a wuss.

Z4N5H1N

I enjoy the challenge Capcom, just not when it gives me a sore anus.

MonkeyBiz

I CAN'T BEAT AIR MAN!

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Insomnia Bob

@Insomnia Bob:
I really like the one about Eddie and Rush. I don't remember what it's called but it's basically "Are these guys my friends?"

Channing

"Mega Man 9 is very hard. We didn't want to do Mega Man, but easy. We want players to get better, we want them to remember. I've always tried to challenge players, and I think there are gamers who miss being challenged by games."

This man is my hero. If only there were people like this powering the machines behind the triple A titles that turn out to be casual mush. I think this especially applies to the Wii, the only game that I've found moderately challenging on the console was Metroid Prime 3: Corruption.

And even then, it wasn't the type of difficulty that made you collapse on the floor in joyous exasperation upon completion - I miss those games.

AlbenoX

GOOD. The original Megaman's last stage makes people cry so perhaps not that hard.

Wahrheit

I remember how hard Mega Man was and in fact, it was the difficult entry level that put me off the series as a child 10-12. These days however I like to challenge myself by playing through games on the hardest settings, this is for two main reasons. Primarily I really enjoy the accomplishment felt from having beaten something that was genuinely tough, and secondarily I always feel that I get more value for my money rather than blasting though the game on easy and then trading or what have you...
So, if Mega Man is going to be hard then good, Im all for it. Games in general could do with more challenging.

brickrock121

I hated those effing disappearing platforms, I HAD NIGHTMARES ABOUT THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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