erm when are you guys gonna stop bitching about the music thing being upto developers when it's already been explained that it's only that way due to a Microsoft patent so they had to use a different tatic, and the custom soundtrack has been on the PS3 since 2.0 or 2.2 or something with only the bowling and SSHD developers bothering to use it

Bleentastic sees bandwagon and jumps

I think the biggest news is that, after a year and a half, my $600 interactive entertainment and multimedia solution can FINALLY tell me what time it is! Hizzah!

screamingslave

At first this sounded like an "aw man, XMB is so inferior to the 360 dashboard." This is most likely because the first thing listed was voice chat. However, after thinking about it, I realized that 360 has most of the same problems as well. It seems the only things the 360 does that XMB doesn't is voice-chat and cross-game invites.

RealmRPGer

"Can you access the in-game XMB while playing a PS2 game or watching a DVD/Blu-Ray? No"
Well that's a weird one that I hope gets added soon, having some sort of proper invite system seems to be the next step(P.S and fix that bloody SCEE store.).

Anyway, im pretty impressed by this update, I think you guys are all forgetting it was only last gen and partly this gen (DS) that once you buy a console you get nothing new, so you know anything is good and it will all continue to improve.

Ryuujin1024

@Candlejack: I understand the disappointment about some of the features (or the lack thereof), and I'm kind of sad about how they are handling the custom soundtrack thing. I didn't mean to accuse you of trolling or anything, and I know you have more sense than complaining about lack of in-game PS Store access.

@CitizenInsane27: This is Sony right there. This is the company that let Kojima force us to use X as back and O as "yes" in Metal Gear Solid up until 4. Or the publisher that let Lair go to its demise. They won't "force" devs. Except for Trophies, apparently (except the games that are far off in development). But one thing I'm sure of, most first-party titles will have custom soundtrack. And eventually third-parties will have to follow suit or they'll have a Nintendo situation. The way Sony gives devs so much "freedom" is a legitimate complaint, and is worth an article. But complaining about not being able to watch a movie while playing must be a joke.

slomo788

@wild homes is weathering cephalopod trouble!:
I think somebody said above that this would take too much memory, and that the PS3's main memory isn't enough to do this.

gamadaya

@jackal888: Voice messages may be a good idea for you but who really needs them? I do not use my game console an answering machine.

I wholeheartedly disagree. I hate using the pad to type a quick message and I don't like having a keyboard around a console either. I do have a perfectly fine Bluetooth headset that I would like to use for a quick recorded message (e.g. "come play a game with me") because it's muuuuuuch faster to accomplish than any other kind of message.

Candlejack

aw man, why no private chat? i use that all the time on 360. of course, i don't really like my warhawk bluetooth headset anyhow.

thaKingRocka

@slomo788:

If anything now Microsoft owes it to gamers to make online play free, because Sony has proven that it can be done.

Well fucking said!

SERIOUSLY gamers!

EnigmaNemesis

On another note, why is everyone getting in Sir Plunkett's face about his "bias" in this? This is a blatant mistake from Sony, and even Kotaku has the right to voice an opinion on it. I'm a HUGE PS3 guy, like my launch 60gb is dead, and I'm still buying another 80gb anyways, but this FW is a fucking lie! I wanted it for the longest time, and now that it's here, I almost wish I could go back in time and have everyone on the PSBLOG and other places clarify the features they wanted, not just vague terms for Sony to define.

CitizenInsane27

@slomo788:
/follow
Live should be blowing PSN out of the water, but it's only barely staying ahead. But personally, I would rather that they take our money and give us dedicated servers for way more games.

gamadaya

What are you complaining about now Luke? Firmware update 2.40 was not going to make PS3 into the Xbox360.

I do not want cross game invites.If a friend can see that I signed on and can see what I am playing.They can stop playing one game and switch games.

Voice messages may be a good idea for you but who really needs them? I do not use my game console an answering machine.

When I am watching a movie I do not want a pop-up saying somebody wants to play a game.

I think that the update gives me what I need and I am glad it is not as intrusive as Xbox360's Blade system.

jackal888

I'm actually a bit disappointed by this. Some of the functionally you've mentioned as being left out is fine, but the fact that the XMB functions don't work during PS2 or DVD playback is a bit bewildering-- don't all the console's functions essentially happen inside an OS environment? Shouldn't the console be able to layer the apps accordingly? Weird.

And to all of you defending the update like you're the teary-eyed YouTube dude bawling over people leaving Britney alone-- if you, personally, are pleased with the result of the 2.40 update? Awesome, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out there are still major things the PS3 can't do-- and in this particular case, people assumed these bits of functionality were going to be enabled with this update. Someone else not being satisfied doesn't affect you at all, so why act like someone slapped you in the mouth with a herring? The simple fact is, Sony knew very well that these missing features would be presumed to be part of this update, and by not letting everyone in on it when they first broke the story on the new firmware they acted a bit dishonestly. It's not the end of the world. Give it a rest.

wild homes is weathering cephalopod trouble!

Like someone said earlier, just look at it as Sony getting their foot in the door.

While it is not an update that is going to sway someone to buy a PS3, it is definitely a welcome improvement for existing owners.

Apparently none of the issues that were most important to Luke were addressed, but I'm sure that isn't the case for most PS3 owners.

JSKeyser

I think that it's total BS that so many people bitched to Sony for so long to get in game XMB out, and when they actually nail a date for when we can expect it, they are crucified even further. I mean, think about it, we wanted it so bad, it has the features that we knew that they would deliver because we complained loud enough, and just because some people were making these outlandish assumptions as to what THEY want Sony to add to 2.4, now it's a massive failure because it couldn't surpass their expectations.

Sure I'm a Sony fanboy I will admit that. I love the PS3. I wanted this firmware update since I got my PS3 back in 2007, but they have really improved on the system's feature set since the system debuted that it's astounding. 2.4 is ONE update. It's not like they were like "Okay guys, get 2.4 out and then you're all fired"! There will be future updates and as many have already commented, I'm expecting that many of features mentioned above like cross game chat, and custom soundtracks will be added in future versions.

But c'mon Kotaku. You guys are knocking the PSTriple for not allowing users to access the PS Store, Visualizations, Internet Browser, no XMB for movies and PS1/PS2 games? You guys are MUCH better than that. Besides, if you receive a message during a movie, you have to quit the movie to join the game anyway. Those things are not necessary to enjoy the system. I can't wait for July 2nd

jspeed04

@genbeef: No. Microsoft should have. Because they owe it to you guys, for making you pay for XBL. Sony is giving it out for free, despite losing money on hardware like crazy. If it took all this time I want to believe that it was not that easy to implement (unless you're a PS3 engineer and can prove me wrong). The update is due thsi wednesday and still today the walkthrough was not the final thing. And I see everyone focusing on in-game XMB (which is really what everyone has been expecting except cross-game invites) while the Trophies thing looks pretty slick. No, I consider this a gift to gamers. Not something that "should have been there." I can play on PSN for free. I can't on XBL. That's all it comes down to. If anything now Microsoft owes it to gamers to make online play free, because Sony has proven that it can be done.

slomo788

It's probalby going to be misconstrued as fanboy talk, but why is Home and the eleventy billionth firmware update for the PS3 always talked about more than the games for the system (outside of MGS4 of course)?

Every otherfreaking week is a firmware update. Does anyone even care anymore? It's nice seeing them add basic functionality to their dashboard, but we don't need to hear about every little tweak made to the damn thing.

KirbyMorph

I'm sure the features will grow.

SirFenwick

Oh yeah, and I have to add, while this update seems to have missed a few key features, this article seems extremely biased.

gamadaya

Yeah, let me write messages and play music. Thats all i wanted, anything else is a bonus that i couldn't really care less about. I mean, why would i want to run off and buy pixel junk monsters while playing warhawk...?

ryivanV2

@LittleBigPlaneteer: No, contrary to popular belief, it doesn't. In fact, if you watch the walkthrough videos, Eric himself says that it just "lays the groundwork" for developers to be able to patch in custom soundtracks on a game to game basis. No lower memory footprints for use of background music, no system standard allowing use of the XMB as a music player to play over games. You have to pick, one or the other, game OR music. Unless it's like Super Stardust or PAIN you cannot have both.

CitizenInsane27

@slomo788: Look, I know how hard this must have been to pull off by Sony, honestly. It's almost unbelievable that they managed to pull up the XMB in-game. But why gimp all the features except messaging? Why make the custom soundtracks not a new feature at all but just a tease? Why no game invites when we can have messages? I don't get it.

And to be clear I'm not asking for Internet, Store or any other access talked about, I'm really only upset about invites, soundtracks and perhaps voice chat. That's what I was hoping for the most to be honest.

@LittleBigPlaneteer: Not in the way we know it. The devs have to enable this feature and then you can potentially access the music player in-game. If devs don't patch it in the game you can't play music.

Candlejack

God, Sony never gets a break. They do exactly what their consumers ask for and they still get flak. I mean really, do I need to browse the web or go to the store at any moment during a game, or can I just wait a bit and do it later. Adding the microphone, reading/sending messages, and being able to view trophies during a game is enough for me.

ianp622

@Cartman86: That's Luke Plunkett for you. Apparently, changing resolutions and shopping during the game are more important than messages and soundtracks.

Deviation59

Why would anyone want to use the browser while watching a movie, or playing a game? (seriously, don't we have computers next to them for checking GameFaqs walkthroughs?
Why would anyone want to go to the Playstation Store in the middle of playing a game?

These are useless features you're touting. Other than the voice chat option, which I'm used to in the 360 (but then again I'm weird and I like to talk to other people even though I'm not even playing a game with them) I got no complaints.

"If the in-game XMB forces you to quit the game to perform most of the functions you'd want to perform in it..."

Look at the comments on this topic. Most gamers couldn't give a damn about stuff like that. Seriously, you're bitching about nonsense, Luke. Quit it.

Ashurahori

The only reason I wanted in game xmb was to be able to use voice chat with my friends to see if they want to hop on a game. Texting is just tedious.

lonkley

Obviously the people complaining about the update that isn't even out yet have no clue what their talking about. I could care less about all those little perks mentioned. I've been waiting for in-game messaging ever since I got my PS3. For now, as long as I have that, I'm good to go. You have no idea how annoying it is to have to quit a game just to read a message someone sent you. This update is a blessing in my opinion. All in due time.

XeroKool

@fraggenstein:
I know that would never get into the comments of the week section, but that was hilarious.

gamadaya

This is why they should have just released it as 2.37

-_-

xCruciaLx

Does it bother anyone else that everything that Live and PSN updates should have are, and have been available to PC gamers forever? Does it also bother anyone that half of these things that people 'want' are utterly useless - serving absolutely no purpose except for a novelty of going 'd'hurhur I'ma playin Diabro 2, Soulitar, an'tre intrawebs at ta saem tiem! Vntrillo! vntrillo! Ima chatten chatten! D'hurhurbewbs.'

Seriously people.

Black-Dog-Howls

@Candlejack: I love my PS3 a shit ton, it's just like they completely missed the mark. I didn't expect EVERYTHING to work right off the bat, but seriously? This is bullsheet.

CitizenInsane27

@EvoAnubis: ok then, start changing those keywords. you'd get a lot of "wrong, wrong, and wrong."

if there's anything to bitch about Live, it's the fee to just to get stuff earlier and play online. the stuff that PSN is missing that Live already has is free already.

genbeef

@slomo788:
Don't think you meant to reply to me, but I will say that I own a 360 and no PS3 and I'm yelling the 360's flaws from the rooftops.

gamadaya

@EvoAnubis:The butthurt comes from the fact that this is something that should have been ready to go two years ago.

Foxstar Sixtail

@EvoAnubis: Post of the mother effin' week.

And yes I have to agree with slomo788, Luke... that post of yours sounds a lot like flamebait. Oof the type Im not used to read from Kotaku editors :S
Take it as cosntructive critisiscm.

Alex_Mexico

@CitizenInsane27:

Uh, doesn't 2.4 ad custom soundtracks?

LittleBigPlaneteer

@Candlejack: Well I just think it's unfair to be that harsh. The time it took for those features to be released just proves that it's not a piece of cake. And besides just 2 features, you basically have XBL (and apparently the Trophies system is better than Achievements, according to IGN, because of a RPG-like system). For free. Sony could have kept PSN like it was since day 1 and it still would have been a viable thing. Maybe not a selling point, but PS3 has many more in other departments (namely hardware). Now it's seriously competing with and threatening XBL, and we throw it against PC, just because Sony killed our cats? I mean, come on. I'm pro PS3, but even I can recognize the good things MS does!

slomo788

honestly the only disappointment was no voice chat. Accessing the store or browser doesnt really make much sense. I usually have my laptop within arms reach when I play my ps3, so i can use it to watch porn, listen to music, browse gamefaqs, etc. doing all that with my ps3 would be awkward. imagine loading the browser to look at gamefaqs, then closing it to go back to gamme, the opening it again and retyping in the address. repeat this process 50 times. See how just having a laptop is easier?

Im interested to see how many devs will support music. Im guessing not many, which would make this feature useless. Hopefully polyphony digital will, or any driving game for that matter, including gta which has godawful music.

FuzzyDunlop21

@CitizenInsane27: I have to agree with you, as much as I love the PS3 for Metal Gear...Sony screwed us over with this. The custom soundtracks are snake oil as can be.

And everybody else can go on and say we complain when we don't get stuff and when we do, but it's simply that WE DON'T in this case. This isn't what we wanted exactly.

Candlejack

Wow wtf is this Kotaku? Come on! The only feature here that really matters is Cross game invites. Something no one expected in this first update. Can you access the Xbox Marketplace in game, change video/audio settings, browse the web? NO you can't do any of that shit. I love my 360 and think that Sony needs to get closer to it, but damnit if this isn't a great first step thats coming out in two fucking days. I'm so happy we are at least getting this.

Cartman86

Luke, i love ya buddy; but there are some things you should just keep to yourself. There is no stopping the flood of sonyfanboys now, but let this be a fair warning.

devilgoku

@LittleBigPlaneteer: the point is, they've been given TOO MUCH time already. sorry, they should've got this done from day one.

genbeef

It's going to be one of those features that will keep getting patched. I would rarely use it. Maybe the in-game soundtrack option, but that's about it.

sascha23

@Tyber_Zann: NO WISCONSIN CHEDDAR

Raziel Dune

This doesn't bother me in the least. I mean I dont use voice chat as it is so typing out a message is fine by me and you're not logged in to PSN when you play PS2/PS1 games anyway so thats not a big deal. Plus I've got a PC like 2 feet from my PS3 so why would I need to use a slower web browser during a game when I can swivel my chair a few inches and find what I need?

The only thing I really want Sony to do is allow an option to place the flowing stream on top of any themes you want to use and be allowed to change the color of it. If they do that the system will be perfect.

Sparx

@fraggenstein:
/agree @slomo788
/agree too.

Seriously, people would prefer to push the FW update after summer when it has "everything"? damn.... people can't be happy never.

Alex_Mexico

OK, now I'm looking forward to 2.50

kamra

hahaha well i guess the in game XMB its literally that, just the in game graphic of the XMB haha..

lets hope they add more stuff u_u

mpar

Yeah, frankly, I was excited about this update, and then I read about all the things I couldn't do. Basically, no matter how you splice it, we have been given in-game text messaging, non-required software trophies, and the ability to jump out of game back to the XMB in order to use the XMB OUT of the game. And that's it folks, all that big hoo-rah for in-game text messaging and a temporarily useless addition of Trophies to taunt us and remind us that no games support this here thing on the XMB, and will be rendered useless for some time.

The thing that really pisses me off out of all of this is the lack of in-game custom soundtracks. Sony reps always say "we are listening to you guys, and your feedback is helping us get the PS3 to where it needs to be..." etc, etc. But did someone just completely misunderstand the thousands of us screaming CUSTOM SOUNDTRACKS!! for the longest time as "MAKE CUSTOM SOUNDTRACKS AN MORE PREVALENT OPTION TO DEVELOPERS EVEN THOUGH YOU SAID THEY ALREADY COULD DO IT BEFORE THIS!!!???

No, last time I checked, all we wanted was to be able to use the PS3's music tab as STANDALONE music player, therefore being able to access all the MP3's or whatever we have saved on the system while playing a game. Not have it built in to the games we are playing, otherwise we would've bitched for Sony to get developers off their asses to add custom OST to all the games. But no, instead of them giving us more SYSTEM SIDE control, they give us a botched FW update that has very little to no true functionality. Don't get me wrong, in-game messaging is very valuable to me, but Sony played this off like a brilliant PR move, like they just answered all our prayers, when if you look closer, (i.e. the FAQ in question) it's all a ruse. Fucking stupid corporations.

CitizenInsane27

Funny how this wonderful patch is finally going to roll out, and people will still complain about stuff. Have we forgotten the days of Atari and Nintendo? We never had such features! Cherish what you can get. At least they're looking into improving it in the future.

I'm glad to know they answered the most important question, though.

'What is Eric's favorite cheese?

Mozzarella.'

Blasphemy. Jarlsberg is the king of cheeses.

Tyber_Zann

@slomo788:
Ah fucking men brother(came out way gayer than I hoped for).
I'm paying $40-60 every year. That's money that Sony isn't asking for, and personally, I see PSN and I get jealous sometimes. Sure, Live has a bunch of cool conveniences and better community features, but more games on Sony's service have dedicated servers. Live is usually pretty good, but it can be a lag fest at times. And coming up for the 360 we've got GoW2 with an astonishing 10 players! Meanwhile, Resistance 2 has 60 on dedicated servers. What the hell. Where is my money going?

gamadaya

The only thing I cared about was in-game music, and you still can't do that. The guy on the blog said,

"We'd also like to reiterate that Firmware v2.40 merely enables custom soundtracks. It's up to developers to include this feature in upcoming games (or to patch existing ones)."

so 2.40 isn't much different from whatever we're on now as far as music goes.

CousinWalter

@gamadaya: Fair enough mate but that's admittedly a rare case if I may say so.

Candlejack

@Ratfoot_Revived:

the PS3 is hands-down best-in-class for both DVD and Blu-ray quality. the bonus of being able to play games on it should be enough; the 360's exclusives are nearly as slim as the PS3 (if you are willing to wait for PC ports) and it has a rubbish-quality DVD/HD video player (compared to stand-alones). it makes up for this with the fantastic XBLA and pay-for-play multiplayer architecture.

the console "war" is a joke (as the Wii won it a long time ago); let go of your hate and enjoy the unique experience each machine has to offer. less hate means a happier life and more gaming.

whitesanjuro

I don't see why after all of this, now people are slamming it? This looks like everything I wanted.

Jamezspot

It's not like 2.4 is the last update we're ever gonna see. Since I bought my PS3 in Decemeber I've updated somewhere between 6-8 times. Granted some updates are just system stability updates, but the majority have offered some kind of beneficial factor besides that. I wouldn't be surprised if by the holiday season (or earlier) we see in game voice chat, and in game internet with future updates.

T-Mac

@gamadaya: Yeah well, on my PS3, I can play online for free and I don't have to care about where to put my console thanks to Wifi. Not bashing the 360, but no one is giving MS shit for not improving the console. The tones of the posts about PS3 improvements are just ridiculous. And just the fact that Luke mentioned things that are not even possible on 360 makes me believe that he is just fucking with us. Watch a BD while playing? Really? Can you just watch a BD on the 360? Or browse the web for that matter? Both consoles have their flaws, but Sony seems more inclined to making their console more "complete." I hate to say it, but that post is just flamebait. Pure and simple.

slomo788

@the_answer:

/agree

Cross game invites is just a faster way to say, "hey, play this game with me" ... or a way to "annoy" a friend by him saying, "cant you see I am in a different game and want to play this you douche bag"!

EnigmaNemesis

Most likely they will be addressed in future updates. One step at a time guys. Damn, try not to slam people so hard for trying their best. Programming something that was meant to be there in the first place isnt easy by any means. I'm sure they are going to get everything ironed out eventually.

As far as 360 is concerned, it was designed that way in the first place. Of course it's going to be better and more streamline. As it stands, you still cant access the Marketplace while playing an original Xbox game, nor can you browse the store while playing a 360 game without quitting the game. Yes, some games have built-in Marketplace browsers (Gears of War, Guitar Hero III, etc.) but then again so does Folklore for PS3 and a few other games.

Just give it time guys. Custom soundtracks and in-game messaging is a huge step up. I tip my hat to them for that. Now hurry the hell up with Home ya jabronies!

Shin_Ein

I agree give it time. They will add to it. Though i still think half assing it now is more of a slap than an added feature. If you cant voice chat or invite a friend to another game, whats the point of XMB in game. Why not wait till you get that worked out sony?

ShaggyB

@Candlejack: "But you're missing one point...the PS3 should outdo the 360 and therefore this is more likely underwhelming. Can it kind of live up to Xbox Live with this update? Well, almost, yea, if you give it private chat and cross-game invites. But that's not enough because competition is meant to push companies to add more stuff and not just catch up.

Also why we don't get cross-game invites is beyond me. That should have been there as soon as they said in-game XMB."

It already does outdo the 360. Kotaku is bitching because you can't use the web browser in a game? Shit, on the 360 you can't use a web browser AT ALL. Where's the 6 person video/voice chat that I've been using on my PS3 since the day I bought it? Where's the FULL DivX certification? Where's the ability to transfer music to its own HDD w/o having to burn it all to a CD first? Where's the Wi-Fi? Where are the SD/CF/ Memory Stick slots? Where's the ability to play THE next-gen DVD format? Shit, man, where the FUCK is the ability to play online at NO CHARGE?

We BOTH know I can go on, but I think I've made my point. It's like everyone is just expects Sony to do every single little thing that the 360 does, but that system has its own issues that no one seems to talk about. I feel like I'm the only one noticing this.

EvoAnubis

@cutspop: The point is $50/year.

Deviation59

A lot of this the 360 can't even do (save access dashboard during a movie). It would've been awesome if 2.40 surpassed 360's capabilities, but I guess this is a nice start.

.endejas.

@slomo788: Well, I think it should. Mind you I'm purely talking about interface conveniences and online service that relates to it here, not hardware or software. That's what I meant. The areas that the PS3 lacks in are still going to be there after 2.4 and that's why I'm a bit disappointed by it is the point I'm trying to make. Sony needs to patch things up and at least get on equal terms with the 360's interface (X-game invites, music anywhere, private voice chat and that's about it).

And yeah until Sony provides that stuff as well as this - granted, very good - update, MS will continue to justify charging for online. Maybe even until HOME is out and successful.

Candlejack

You're SERIOUSLY complaining about this update??? Really???

This is the biggest leap in feature addtions from a firmware update that we've ever gotten.

Torgo

@slomo788:

Again, I'm the new guy, but it seems that Luke just doesn't seem to like the PS3, regardless of what it does. It could grant wishes, but he'd complain that it couldn't do it while playing PS2 games.

fraggenstein

@slomo788:

/agree

EnigmaNemesis

yep, the 2.40 seems to be useless right now - except for the in-game messaging, which everybody was bitch!ng about b4..might as well release 2.40 after summer since most of the features are no use atm

btw, i don't know why you guys are complaining about the lack of cross game invites.. how the hell do cross-game invites work? does it magically eject the game you are playing and then magically inserts and boots up the game that you are invited to play when you accept an invitation?.. isn't sending an in-game message to your friend that you want to play with him/her on a certain game more than enough?

the_answer

@LittleBigPlaneteer: The major issue is and isnt Sony's fault. The XMB was never designed to run in game. It uses alot of memory and since the PS3 doesnt use shared ram like the 360 there is a very small pool to draw from.

The Kernal on the 360 is incredibly small and by comparison the Kernal for the PS3 is very very...very large. Since it was never designed from the get go to run efficient in a small footprint the chances of Sony getting everything in there and running smooth are pretty slim.

Sooner or later they will figure it out but for now this is what we get.

parad0x360

@LittleBigPlaneteer: "I suppose you guys are expecting every single thing that the 360 has, exactly like the 360 has it."

Not even! This is PC territory right now. And high-end PCs at that. And at the same time it's the same guys complaining about console games getting patched and requiring installs. The bashing here is becoming senseless.

slomo788

@get2theDeLorean:

Good point.

fraggenstein

@Candlejack:
Dude, maybe not on the PS3, but on the 360, I would kill for it. Here is what I have to do to go from TF2 to Oblivion. Take out Orange Box, go to the display menu, change the resolution, put Oblivion in, turn off my 360, turn it on remotely while holding A to clear the cache, and then finally I can play. The ability to change the display settings wouldn't eliminate all problems, but it would eliminate some, and that would be awesome. This is also another reason I hate that the core system's lack of a HDD.

gamadaya

I always get a good laugh out of these threads, because it shows how much all the console fanboys truly care about all the stuff that makes a console more like a PC.

I LOVE PC Gaming, will always prefer it over consoles. But I own a PS3, and I enjoy it because there are good exclusive games and the PS3 is an impressive machine overall. That being said, I personally give a big "Who gives a shit?" to all of this stuff. I am AMAZED at how people care about things as pointless and fickle as "Achievements" and "Trophies"

mva5580

@Candlejack: Who said PS3 should outdo 360? If anything MS should find a reason quick to keep asking for money to play online! Sony is giving more bang for your buck in the hardware department, the games are coming and now PSN is almost as good as Live in terms of community features. How is this underwhelming? Even before the FAQ, Luke was bitter at the update for some weird reason.

slomo788

@Raziel Dune:

Exactly. A lot of the things that were given a "no" answer were stated that they are looking into it, which means it's likely coming in a future update.

I must admit, Kotaku has been a bit more negative thus far with these latest 2.4FW news. I suppose you guys are expecting every single thing that the 360 has, exactly like the 360 has it. As I said before, give it time.

LittleBigPlaneteer

I look at this and think "psshht.. This is the same shit xbox live has" then I remember I PAY for for xbox live. WTF.

get2theDeLorean

@gamadaya: HDMI connections make all the difference in the world. I've seen the difference an HDMI cable makes compared to VGA, and it's unreal. Way sharper, better colours, etc.

PlayerX

Besides voice-chat and cross-game invites, could you do all those (unrealistic) things on the 360? No.

WTF Kotaku? I'm usually not the ones to run and say you're biased but since the first post about this you guys were waiting for reasons to bash it. Meanwhile, IGN goes beyond this and praises the Trophies system. Come on, some news don't need to be pissed on unnecessarily. I'll take 2.40 as it is as long as PSN stays free thank you very much.

slomo788

@EvoAnubis: But you're missing one point...the PS3 should outdo the 360 and therefore this is more likely underwhelming. Can it kind of live up to Xbox Live with this update? Well, almost, yea, if you give it private chat and cross-game invites. But that's not enough because competition is meant to push companies to add more stuff and not just catch up.

Also why we don't get cross-game invites is beyond me. That should have been there as soon as they said in-game XMB.

Candlejack

The ONLY thing I care that in-game XMB does is let me play my music while playing a game.

Everything else is useless to me so I'm happy.

archibaldleech

I think the update is good, I mean all you really need is to see who's online playing what and send them a message and they can respond. Also the in game music is great.

mnml10387

So the only real point of in-game XMB is getting in games faster with friends and it doesn't even do that?

Garbage.

Murderdolls

Luke you forgot to read that this is just the first update of many to work on these new additions this is just to get the bus down the street were not at the bus stop yet.

Raziel Dune

@Ratfoot_Revived:

Oh really?

I didn't know you could change the visual settings on the 360 while in game, or browse the internet, or access the marketplace, etc.

EnigmaNemesis

@PatMan33: My guess is that most of the things they didn't implement were not implemented for a reason. Sony isn't stupid; they know what XBL has over PSN and they'd probably like to close the gap as soon as possible. However, some features might be very development-time-intensive to add on.

That is, perhaps -- for example -- the internet-browsing ability was built into the system on the same framework that games use, with the result that it simply can't be run at the same time as games without rebuilding a substantial amount of backend code. Not that that an architecture like that would make much sense, but when building a system like this, it's best to plan the general structure of things out at the beginning. Adding things on later is fine, but reworking the basic pipelines of your code is a messy and daunting task that often results in buggy and undocumented code.

However, some of the features which aren't present are probably planned for later development. Sony just left them out to save time, I imagine. And as for the rest of them, well, they'll probably get added eventually... but I'd bet good money that the codebase won't look too pretty aftewards.

tsathoggua

@gamadaya: You can't adjust display settings while in-game on the 360, and you can't access the marketplace, and I dunno about everyone else but whenever I fire up a game while I'm downloading something the download stops, even if the game doesn't use the internet.

MistaJeff

Honestly I don't give a shit about the following in-game:

Browsing the web
Accessing the store
Access during PS2 games
Changing Visual settings

The ability to invite friends to games in-game and voice chat are two definitely things they need to add. Perhaps The addition of soundtracks and in-game messaging are two of the more requested features so I wouldn't call it a useless upgrade.

LittleBigPlaneteer

Oh yeah and it sucks that we still don't have private chat ingame. I miss that plenty when I play with friends - or rather *if*. My PS3 hasn't been getting a lot of attention as of late.

One thing though; changing the display settings? Come on. That's just unreasonable. Console games don't work like that and most operate only at their native resolution anyway so what's the point.

Candlejack

I have no desire for any of the things you just mentioned, exept for the accessing the xmb while watching a movie, that would be cool. They can only do so much is one update. Give it some time... Damn...

DeathBeforeDishonor

Half of those things aren't even needed on a console. PC gaming has alt+tab and windower. Hell, complaining about visual settings?

I wasn't aware PS3 had PC style scaling.

Black-Dog-Howls

At least they've got their foot in the door, so to speak.

And honestly if it works smoothly then they've already got something over the dashboard. The dashboard might be more useful, but it feels really clunky and laggy depending on what game you try to bring it up in. Sometimes I'll get an invite, and sometimes by the time I've navigated through the dashboard it's already too late.

DeBurgo

You guys are smoking crack. The things I wanted from 2.4:

1. The ability to send/receive messages w/o leaving a game.
2. The ability to play my music.
3. A freaking clock on the XMB like my PSP has.

Can it do that? Yes, yes, and yes.

I swear, you guys are nuts. What is up with this bizarre crusade this site seems to have regarding Sony? Are you guys still that butthurt over the whole Home incident?

" Can you browse the internet while playing a game? No. Can you access the in-game XMB while playing a PS2 game or watching a DVD/Blu-Ray? No. Can you change any visual settings while playing a game? No (sound settings, however, gets a "yes"). Can you access the PlayStation Store while playing a game?"

I can change some key words in that and apply the same thing to the 360, but no one's bitching about that.

Fucking pathetic.

EvoAnubis

Meh, I only cared about the music. This makes the in-game features that I use equal to what I use on the xbox. I don't know/care about anything friend/online/chat related in-game since I don't really play multiplayer games and COD4 isn't a good enough reason for me to cough up $50 for xbox live (considering I played it for a free month and found the lag to be an embarrassing representation of what a $50/yr service should offer). I'm sure in time they'll make at least the browser accessible while keeping the game open, and maybe the playstation store as well. All i wanted was that custom soundtrack feature for my 8-jillionth playthrough of MGS4, which has kept my 360 weeping in the corner since June 12th (don't worry xbox, I'll be coming back once I get a hankerin' for some orange box).

MistaJeff

@SoldierX25: And you'll notice they said it would touch the XMB a little (just the waves) so it could boot the game.

Amazon_Chris

Let's just wait

ultimate920

Yeah Luke, having the ability to send and receive messages without having to quit the game, checking trophies and turning on and off the bluetooth device without having to quit is a lot! not quite everything but a lot.... dont be such a party pooper!

Alex_Mexico

I'm most disappointed with in-game soundtracks being up to the developer to implement on the PS3. That sucks so bad. I would rather have the ability to override the game's entire sound with my own music in that case, only for the sake of compatibility.

Anyhow, there's room for improvement, but it's better than nothing. Hopefully Sony isn't planning to release the next big FW 6 months down the road but rather 1 month or something :/

Candlejack

@LittleBigPlaneteer:
Yeah. In game XMB for a PS2 game would be asking a little much. Same w/ a movie.

gamadaya

this sucks sony. get your head out of your ass.If you cant invite your friends to chat or even play what is the f'ing point?

cutspop

alot of the features that are not implemented, such as the video settings, aren't really needed in the first place. asides from the voice chat and cross game invites, i won't be pissed when i can't google search or change my resolution in game.

looking forward to the update

tsukasa1288

Can you change visual settings on the 360 while playing a game? I play Oblivion and TF2 a lot, and TF2 looks great in 1080i, but Oblivion looks horrible in 1080i w/o an hdmi cable. Maybe I should just buy one though.

gamadaya

To me in game XMB is just a whatev. I want a sleep timer.

Sailorcancer

You can still read and write messages (most important), view trophies, play music (if supported) and switch from game to game without quitting.

It is definitely a nice step forward for the PS3, it's free, and there is still a lot of updates to come.

I'm happy with what I'll get.

maxax

All I really wanted was the messaging. Some of those features could be implemented in the future.

Ahsayuni

Best moment was when the guy says..and it will load directly without going back to the XMB...then like clockwork it shows the XMB stream! awesome

SoldierX25

Give it time. One thing that's obvious with Sony is they're listening to what consumers want. Bitch enough and we'll get all those things added eventually (probably not PS2 in-game XMB).

LittleBigPlaneteer

Be careful what you wish for...

hodayathink: I like neo-noir lesbians

So umm is there even a point in getting the update? Sony can't even come close to the 360 and it's had most of the features they're trying to immitate from the getgo.

Ratfoot_Revived

Bummer.

xCruciaLx

Maybe they'll get their heads on straight and fix it?

PatMan33

Kotaku: Fair and balanced as always.

Barnolde

People are really defensive about this update. I think the fact is that it's been nearly 2 years since the PS3 has been on the market and they are just now getting XMB on the system. They are talking about it like it's the end all for consoles and how proud they are that they are adding it. If I were them I would have just added it and not said much about it knowing I had made the mistake.
I'm glad they've finally seen the error of there ways and added it, but two years later and three since the 360 launch with XMB, they should have a more improved version. They don't and that's why I only have like 3 friends on my PSN account and 80 or so on my XBL.

TheNinja256

I guess we just gotta keep waiting for more features.

But the one i wanted the most is there. Access to friends list and messaging while in-game.

VixDiesel

@Ryuujin1024: Well all I know is Microsoft is very strict about certain things. It was like that since the days of the Xbox, and now it's even more serious. And that's one thing I love about the 360. Devs complain about support from Sony, not freedom. Microsoft does offer more support, and with that support comes less freedom. A is for enter (in NA anyways) no matter the game, unless you want to change it. Achievements, in-game messenging/voice chat, and custom soundtrack must be there. It's in that same vision that they reinforced the size cap for XBLA. And I think the intention is excellent, and that's one edge the 360 will have over PS3 for a long time.

slomo788

Why would you need to go to the PS Store when playing a game?

la1337

@wild homes is weathering cephalopod trouble!: "The fact is, Sony talked about this firmware update in ways that led the vast majority of people (as McWhertor alludes to in his article) to believe the XMB functionality would be much better than the new firmware will actually provide for."

How did they do that? They "promised" in-game communication in 2.40. It's there. Everything else has been rumored, that they never confirmed. Until today. And they spilled the beans quite frankly, saying exactly what's there, what's not, what they will stress and what will be up to devs. The firmware is far from deceptive, and actually has a lot of goodies to make up for the shortcomings. Check out IGN's preview to have a better idea.

slomo788

Even though it's missing some features I'd like to have, it's still going to be a lot better than the current setup. I also personally love the XMB interface in comparison to the Xbox360's dashboard. The dashboard does get marks though for already having cross game voice chat support, in game music, and messaging. I just feel like the PS3's entire UI is more aesthetically pleasing.

Heyyou27

@EnigmaNemesis:

LOL you dont, not at all. How can you find both as easy?? no voice chat multiple logins,empty servers,no buddy system. If it really was "just as easy" sony would not be going to all this hassel patching everything up. Your right, I dont own one but know enough people that do and can read enough reviews to know the basics.

YourAnthony

I want in-game XMB for my PSP dammit[/neversatisfiedwhiner]

Sollus

@slomo788: What? you do know why that O X thing was there in the first place its all to do with localisation in Japan O is enter X is exit, allot of Japanese games brought over here still have it, nothing to do with being forced (if you read what those symbols mean it makes sense).

And you'll never know the "freedom" sonys system offers till your a dev or talk to one off the record.

Ryuujin1024

Yeah yeah... One thing's for sure, whatever update we get, people will bitch about it.

I'm happy with what I'm getting right now and I'm sure we'll get more in the future.

One thing I really want though is the ability to assign profiles to controllers.

Also, why in the fucking hell would anyone want XMB while watching movies?

Am I easily satisfied? I'm honestly happy with Sony and glad I own a PS3. I also like my friend's 360 and think it's really great. Both systems are good in my eyes.

I'd buy a 360 but then I'd have to start buying games and I'd rather have a big collection on a single system than two small collections on two different ones. Maybe if I make place for a new rack. I like to separate my media.

HenryHSH

Hmmm well frankly im not gona sit here an do a cross examination of ps3 features of xmb versus 360s.. cause they both have there faults. Frankly all i can say is im happy that its being implemented so what if afew things are straight.. i dont know if ppl just dont remember but fact is the way i see it as it stands this XMB update for the ps3 is nothing more then a beta setup for the full 3d immersion that is HOME when its put in. So right now way i see it this is the stepping stone an when HOME goes live they will iron out an add in whatever else is missing in this xmb when its immersed as part of home, but thats my thought but what do i know =/.

theblade

@jfx316:
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ChiZ_MacT

Bawwww some more Luke, bawwwww some more.

GranzonTotoro

@Thiefcat:

I may have to do that.

Off I go!

fraggenstein

@slomo788: I'm not comparing it to the 360, though. And if I was, I'd certainly be discussing the features the 360 update team have failed to implement as of yet, 16:10 support chief among them (which I've talked about here on Kotaku MANY TIMES). I'm just saying that when Sony pointedly worded the announcement of the update-- and mind you, I'm not upset about the thing at all-- they chose to couch the announcement in terms that pretty clearly implied a number of things would be working. Now, is the update awesome regardless? YES. Is it progress? ABSOLUTELY. But does the fact it's free have anything to do with the fact we should or shouldn't hold Sony accountable for talking about the XMB implementation in ways that were undeniably suggestive of comprehensive functionality? NOT AT ALL. The fact is, Sony talked about this firmware update in ways that led the vast majority of people (as McWhertor alludes to in his article) to believe the XMB functionality would be much better than the new firmware will actually provide for. So yes, that's dishonest. Cheers!

@gamadaya: That's very strange to me. I would've thought enabling in-PS3-game XMB functionality-- when the system is really putting the console's RAM to good use-- would be a lot more taxing than in-PS2-game or in-DVD/BR XMB, as the system's RAM isn't really being utilised as heavily. Weird.

wild homes is weathering cephalopod trouble!

@tsathoggua: Just picking on you, but it's a common thing to say "well, X isn't stupid, so they'll do Y."

This phrase is simultaneously banal and ridiculous. For one, it assumes that companies know what "option" is best. Businesses make bad decisions every day. Businesses piss off and ignore their consumers every day, because they think they know better (sometimes they do). Businesses do not always act optimally, and it's depressing the number of people simply assume that sony/ms/nintendo will just figure out how to fix/implement whatever to make everything happy. They may not be able to. They may not even care!

The ridiculous bit is the assumptions the statement and accompanying attitude make. The PS3 and 360 are both being soundly trounced by the wii, not because they somehow aren't "smart," but because decision making proceses, even for things like XMB features, are complex and have a number of different factors that the company may not be able to balance. Feature Y being implemented isn't just a matter of time or them being "smart," it's part of a complicated process that none of us are privy to.

Fnor

@YourAnthony:

I own both, and I find both just as easy. The only hassle is you not owning it for you to see first hand.

EnigmaNemesis

@Ratfoot_Revived: Is that an argument you really want to pursue? If so, you might want to prepare your flame suit.

XRFlip05

no matter what they update, nothing sony does will be good enough for non-PS3 owners and general skeptics, so what's the point in threads like this?

it sounds cool to me, but what do i know? i've got the POS console.

jfx316

@CitizenInsane27:

RE: Music on in games that are patched/supported.

Some/Most games i'd prefer to have the in game soundtrack/sounds. I really don't think i could play Uncharted with The Veronicas playing in the background, i'd prefer to hear the ambient noise and have the original score come in when necessary. I think a custom soundtrack would detract from the atmosphere in some games.

Other games though, like Burnout or warhawk, are a different story, and i'm sure that these games are already close to supporting custom soundtracks.

Also, i'm not feeling very eloquent right now, i feel like this whole thing was poorly worded, but you know what i'm trying to say.

ChiZ_MacT

@YourAnthony: You're 2 years late buddy.

slomo788

You know, for the first time ever (that I have seen) I smell payoff or deception in the air at Kotaku tower.

It is one thing to criticize a console for not having in-game system access; but, badgering for not having something that NOTHING ELSE has is absurd. The PS3 is not alone in the fact that there isn't in-game internet access, visual settings, or store access; try it on the Wii or 360 some time.

So Luke, how much did Balmer pay you for this cheap shot?

severeon

i think this is a great update, and for anybody who has actually played a ps2 game on the ps3 you will notice that it even sign you out of the PSN since no PS2 game is compatible with the PSN, so why would they incorporate an option that never existed on the PS2? Wouldn't that make it an addon?

I mean it's time people actually make some sense. I know it hurts sometimes but its the right thing to do.

Also as for chatting when in a game im not to interested since im usually using my mic in game to begin with.. something called strategy assuming no loud mouth is singing in a tone that make my neighbours cats come scratching at my door.

gnudna

This article is sort of a bad way to rain on some readers's parade. I was actually quite happy with what they do had to offer in this update, concerning features allowed to be used during in-game XMB. I'm sure it'll be enhanced more in the future but as of right now, this is what a lot of people wanted at the very least.

Most everything else is just toppings. All we wanted was the cheese and the dough. Some marinara would be nice but we're on a diet.

Reule

@EnigmaNemesis:

Play your ps3 online and then play an Xbox 360 online, its totaly different and does not compare. People who own both will know the difference. PS3 online = hassel

YourAnthony

@Thiefcat: Exactly!

slomo788

@Ratfoot_Revived:

exactly

YourAnthony

So, its official...

XMB stands for Xbox Much Better...

Ok, let the flaming begin... =P

Trym

Wow,

I just got done reading an in depth hands on of IGN using the new XMB and both guys freaking love it. I come to kotaku and they bash it. You guys havn't even used it, IGN has, I think I am gonna go with their oppinion.

You comparing it to Xbox live when live dosn't do half the stuff they said no to for the ps3 anyway. Pretty sure you can't surf the web at all let alone during a game on a 360. You can't access marketplace while playing a game, and you can't change dipslay settings either while playing an xbox game. So relax fanboys.

Both guys at IGN are psyched for the new trophy system and both said they will start playing PS3 versions over 360 versions once the trohpy system gets up and running.

REad IGN's impressions of the new 2.4 update then decide what you think.

Thiefcat

@Alex_Mexico: @gamadaya:

Thanks guys; I guess I wasn't growing paranoid after all.

My suspicion is that even things that 2.4 is "lacking" may be in a future update, or just included in Home altogether.

fraggenstein

I'm not sure what the big deal about cross-game invites is. You can still see what game your buddies are playing and can manually send them a message from the in-game XMB. A similar functionality is there, you just have to spend a little more time composing a short message.

One thing Sony could do is setup some pre-composed message options like "Come play with me" to make sending generic/common messages easier.

henhowc

You can send people messages during a game, thats all I wanted. The trophies are a bonus.
I can't believe people keep bitching about cross game invites just ask them to come join you in a message it doesn't take that much time.

NickyJ

This is disspointing. This post I mean. as slomo said, this is flamebait. Accessing in-game XMB while watching blu-ray? or accessing the store while playing the game? Are you serious? 360 doesn't even do that. I mean seriously, who's going to be like this while playing Resistance 2.

Player A, while playing a furious 60 player match finally got remebered something very important.

Player A: "Oh shit, I have to download the that new Linkin Park track on RockBand, but i can't access the store while i'm playing this wonderful match on Resistance 2!!!"

Raise your hand, if you're going to do that.
Don't worry, I'm waiting.

Honestly, the only legitimate gripe is cross-game invite, but even that's kinda moot. Pull up the cross bar and send a bloody message to your friend that you want to play "Hello Kitty: I'm in an adventure!...part Deux!"

Jun581 likes street fighter 2 but he hates zangeif

@EvoAnubis: Thank you, at least someone is thinking rational. People are acting as though 2.4 is the end-all-be-all of updates for the PS3. In-game messaging was the only thing I was looking forward to. As long as I have that come Wednesday I'm straight. I'm not saying don't complain (if it wasn't for complaints, we may have not even gotten in-game XMB) but come on, some of those features mentioned in the article are just retarded (SEE browse net while playing game WTH?!). One step at a time folks.

XeroKool

No voice messaging while in a game to ask a friend to join? Can't XMB while watching a regular DVD even? Can you even see if a friend has come online while playing? This whole update seems worthless to me.

fearing

We'll all i really wanted was the ability to play music in game on the system, and to some extent, i guess its been granted.

Neo-Senku

All i ever wanted was to not have to have to decide whether to exit a game or not just to be able to check my messages when i got a new one. dont get what the big deal about cross game invites is, it takes less time to type out a personalised message with a keyboard than it does to change the disks anyway.

eagle14

and this post is why kotaku isnt respected... good job guys(note the sarcasm)

mouse5050

@wild homes is weathering cephalopod trouble!: Dishonestly? How is that? Are you paying for the update? Did you find that out after having downloaded it? No, they were pretty frank, both in the videos and the FAQ. I'm not saying these features are not convenient, but not having them does not require this whole article. And like many said, this is one firmware update. PS3 is here for a while. Give it time. This update is very important and will make the PS3 a much, much more enjoyable console. And that's what matters. Sony never said this is "update Xbox360." I can't see how they are being dishonest.

slomo788

I hate to say this since I like to consider myself above all this fanboyism but so far Kotaku's coverage of the impending firmware update has been laced with so much bitterness.
I can understand wanting more than is offered, heck its human nature to just want that it more. Really though Luke's coverage has just been horrid, more often than not just pointing at the negative then instead of the good things we are getting. Am I expecting for total sunshine and flowers? Most definitly not. I don't want someone to tell me how much shit something is gonna be before it even comes out.
This is really distressing for me seeing as I use Kotaku as a main source of information. Maybe some of the higher ups should look into hiring a talented writer with no bias, (or at least someone who doesn't act like something crawled up there and died). It would be a shame to have to use other sites instead of this one for my game information.

Chuco

@Barbara: Trophies might, as alot of gamers buy the 360 version of a game instead of the PS3 version because of Achievements.

JustinS

Sony really is doing an excellent job of updating the PS3. I mean really, adding Trophies or In-Game XMB isn't going to sell systems for Sony, so adding these services is, to me at least, just an act of goodwill towards hardcore gamers...and it also stops them from whining too!

Barbara

@HenryHSH: Oh I read it as multiple login names as he said "multiple logins" and not "lack of multiple logins".

JustinS

Sony can't support custom soundtracks as Microsoft holds the patent for that. The only way it'd work is if a software company implemented it.

[www.google.com]

HamThePharoah

@LittleBigPlaneteer: This syndrome of wishing the PS3 had all the 360 features has been around since the PS3 launched. It's never stopped. My response is always this: If you want all the features of a 360, then buy a 360. It's really that fucking simple, folks. It's cheaper (unless you buy an Elite) and you get all the features you've been bitching about.

Vipre77

@HenryHSH
@JustinS: He meant multiple logins simultaneously on the 360, something the PS3 doesn't have yet. Useful if you're playing Split screen games and each person is using their own character to level up, etc.

HenryHSH

@YourAnthony: Stay up to date on what you read then. I never had a problem finding online games on the PS3. Even CoD3 is still active. I'm sure some bad games aren't anymore but just look at SF II: Anniversary edition (good game) on the 360... Won't find any games on that either:

+ Watch video

... You can play online and voice chat in game, just no private voice chat yet. It doesn't bother EnigmaNemesis, good for him. Doesn't mean he doesn't have both systems...

Also, there's voice chat and 4 way video chat on the PS3... Just not during in-game xmb access. Just in case you thought there weren't voice at all.

I'm not trying to offend you or anything.

HenryHSH

@PatMan33:

No, Head fixing is not available on this update.

Tychonius

@slomo788: amen.
wtf is going on here? its like sony takes a step forward, and it gets hated on hard. im very confused by all the hate 2.40 is getting from Luke. its like the basic things we need we are getting.

1)almost every gamer i know has a freaking pc/laptop/sidekick/smartphone. so why the fuck do i need to surf the web while im playing, when i can just swivel my chair 45 degrees and access watever, without interrupting my gaming?

2) surfing the web while watching a movie? refer to list 1.

3)PS2 and PS1 games are not PSN compatible. chances are if im in the middle of playing Okami, for instance, i dont want anybody to freaking bother me! leave me a message, and when im done playing i will reply!

4) visual setting? my hdtv adjust to the highest resolution the game has. if that game is 720P? the hdtv tuner will activate. most HDTV's have this feature. if you don't have it, bummer. just change the setting before you play.

lemme make this clear, we all know LIVE is the shit to a degree, but PSN isn't exactly horseshit either. plus sony has been doing improvements to the service here and there. so please folks chill the fuck out. this is not the final firmware to end all firmware updates.

"2.40 Q&A Gives Us That Morning-After Feeling"

you can speak for yourself dude.

zanzibarlegend

@TheNinja256: Huh. I didn't know Sony and Nintendo only had mere days after their respective launches to match or exceed 360 functionality since Microsoft decided to rush their console to market.

Now I have my biases, ones which I've made no effort to hide. But there's a reason Xbox (360) fanboys have dethroned N64 fanboys as the loudest, frothiest, most unrealistic bunch of goons on the planet...and your little tirade pretty much nailed it.

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic

I know it's early,but I'm fairly con