@Starsky: Yeah, because the art team is usually busy fixing faults in the code.

Rovient

@Dayvie: PSN games don't have Platinum Trophies.

KingBroly

@everybest: Nice one. Cheers.

steve86uk

I sometimes really wonder what is going on at Sony.

- "Hey, we gotta roll out a fix for the 2.4 problems - fast!"
- "Ok boss, I'll immediately start repainting the platinum trophy!"

*shrug*

Starsky

@enewtabie: Thanks for that.

steve86uk

@steve86uk: [kotaku.com]

List of upcoming games that will have trophy support and the ones enewtabie listed.

everybest

@steve86uk:
Yes at the moment.Uncharted will get a patch.Pain will probably be the next.Buzz has trophies.Pixel Junk Eden hits either end of this month/beginning of August has trophies.Burnout Paradise gets a patch,Warhawk and then most of the exclusives at the end of the year.

enewtabie

@PrivateJ0ker:

You can get a platinum trophy in SSHD by achieving all of the other not-as-shiny trophies.

Dayvie

@PrivateJ0ker: Isn't the Platinum trophy what you get when you get all other trophies from a specific game?

Kaneda

I moved house about 10 days ago and only just got back online today. Can someone tell, is SSDHD the only game that supports trophies at the moment. Only just updated my PS3. I was hoping to get some trophies from uncharted. I read it and more games will be patched in the future.

steve86uk

That is a much nicer looking Platinum Trophy. Would be nice if they released a game that supported a Platinum Trophy. Seriously where is the trophy support?!

PrivateJ0ker

That Dan certainly is an awesome chap.

Rovient

@Donutta: It is gone! That was quick Some (most) people will never know how the laggy XMB bar felt.

Kaneda

Definitely agree on the crown.

cio

"Platinum pretty" indeed, Mr. Ashcraft. However, I was thinking more along the lines of "Hulk smash!"

Chase

It's a big improvement. The last one was pretty ugly and I wouldn't want to show that off.

everybest

Yes, it looks nicer now than the crown... now I just need trophy support in games I already have!

Ecks

The in-game XMB lag is gone! Yay!

Donutta

But do any more games support it yet? I dont intend on getting SSHD, but wanna start earning some trophies.

PaddyStardust

I had no probs with my 2.40 fw update and already have 10 trophies and really didn't care what the platinum looked like as long as I get it

Crooked

Downloading now!!!
oooo...whats this???
Turn off system after download?
Yes please.

hk458

Exciting!

M.C.-Action

Oh.

Chase

@PrivateJ0ker: I've read somewhere that what you said was actually the idea behind the trophies. I just hope they'll still go through with it.

ksins5

@The Dude:
Me too.GT5P looks to be a prime candidate for trophies.I'm just wondering how Warhawk's 56 trophies are going to work.
-Eric

enewtabie

I know there's no changelog(there should be!),but besides the trophy art change there is a 4th tab on the gamercard showing the last game you played,date,time.
I'm ready to get on there and try it myself.
-Eric

enewtabie

Looking forward to get some Trophies!

The Dude

@kactusotp:
I believe that went into 2.3

enewtabie

@kactusotp: It's not just fun, it's also functional. If they do it that way, then there's less of a chance of the firmware not completing its install and bricking your system. I just told it to shut off automatically, and went back to watching cable. Easier than ever.

orko60

Hi Everybody!

One thing no one else seems to have noticed (or at least care enough to mention) is that the firmware update is no longer a two part process. Even up to 2.4 you had to download, reboot agree to license and then install.

Basically, if you left your console alone you had to come back later on and start the install process. Now you get let it start, go have dinner and its all ready to play :)

WIN

- Kactus

kactusotp

@Dayvie:

Oh thanks, I did not know! Sony should grant their players "underground" gifts if they get a certain amount of platinums. Maybe people with high levels and platinum trophies should get some exclusive material or something. You know MSFT awards nothing but points, it would be really cool if PSN distinguished itself by offering real prizes, or awards. Certainly MSFT would then follow suit, and the quality of the prizes would rise.

Fun idea? RIGHT GUYS!!

PrivateJ0ker

@Rovient: Don't you know that when one thing is worked on at Sony, the ENTIRE company is involved and work on everything else is halted? You haven't spent nearly enough time here, sir.

orko60

I have to applaud Sony for Doing Something Right™ for once. Not only did they release their long promised online improvements, but when something went wrong, they fixed it in a timely manner. When I finally get my PS3 later this year, it like it will actually be the console I wanted it to be from the start... well sans backwards compatibility... but I just have to live without playing through MGS3 and FFXII (already played MGS2 and FFX before I parted with my old PS2...) or get a cheap PS2 sometime if I ever would run out of games on the consoles (and computers and handhelds) I already own.

Anyhow, trophy support is nice too.... but I don't care about my gamerscore on the 360, so I won't care much about trophies... even if there is a small delight in hearing the achievement sound. I'm happy it's in as well. Well done Sony!

The real applaud goes to implementing a (hopefully) decent to well working online interface for communication with my friends.

The Whaleman

@enewtabie: I believe it's been that way since last summer, fw 1.9 if I'm not mistaken.

dionion

@orko60:
Nevermind,I was thinking about the update without having to hook up your USB cable.

enewtabie

@Starsky: A bit unfair but hilarious anyway!

dionion

@PrivateJ0ker:
I put up the idea on my blog months ago about using trophies for items inside Home.Maybe it'll go that route.

enewtabie

@Donutta: Thats awesome! I didn't think that could be fixed so soon.

Reetesh

I hope it doesn't before I get home to download it!

Ruffstik

@kactusotp: I was referring to connecting the Sixaxis' cord during the update.

dionion

Good, I'm glad they got rid of the crown. I spent the past week in fear that "Sneak King" was coming to the PS3...and I was scared for my mortal soul.

-EDGE-

@Sentry: No, this is a rare victory for the British anti-monarchy movement, let them savour it lol

dionion

@enewtabie: & dionion:

Wow could well be, and if so I'm really behind the 8 ball. I could have swarn you still needed to install after reboot even in recent history.

I only noticed it now since I started downloading before dinner and was thinking that I'd have to wait to install before I could get any MGO in.

Anyways might just go do that now :)

Cheers

kactusotp

Guys. It's. Just. An. Icon.

PurpleSfinx

Well that is really pretty... How about keeping the crown though, for some sort of use?

If I am playing a game that I have unlocked all trophies for (ie getting the plat trophy), how about a crown icon next to the game title?

Would be nice..

Sentry

@dionion:
It's possible..I'm notorious for not noticing that stuff.

enewtabie

Sweeeet

PumpkinPieman

Actually, it looks like all the trophies got a slight update, it's just that the Platinum trophy got the most visible design overhaul. Check the older post and see what I mean.

HellaBAD

@Sentry: Thanks for the heads up!

Brian Ashcraft

@wancell:
I guess it isn't that easy :/

Garo

I'm pissed they got rid of the burger king hat! Damn it, I'm THE BURGER KING!

Maximus9

Heh from the tagline I thought it meant you got a platinum trophy for downloading 2.40. However, the new trophy is much nicer than the crown.

gr8asianman

The trophies seem boring looking. I want to see the crazy trophies they promised for Home. What is up with all the studios saying they will not go back and put in trophies and even new ones coming out soon will not have them. They already put in 360 achievements in the game, why not just port them into the PS3 version?

wancell

Here is a clearer image if you want, Brian; [i93.photobucket.com]

via NeoGAF; [www.neogaf.com]

@dionion: Lol didn't see that one coming.

Sentry

@Ecks: I agree.

Gief Uncharted achiev... Trophies nao!

Maybe Ninja Gaiden Sigma trophies as well please.

Finally, if it is not too much to ask for, maybe trophies for Ratchet and Clank Tools of Destruction.

PixelRambo

XMB is so slow

YourAnthony

Now we know it. It was the trophies icons that caused the problems. I'm glad they sorted it out.

JumpmanSenior

there is also a new tab on the 'Players met' gamer tags (go to [Friends] -> [Players met] -> Hit X on a player, you'll have a 4th tab)

superaktieboy

@kylenalepa: Go to the [Game] section of the XMB, then to [Trophy Collection], here will show all games that support trophies, similar to the gamsaves look. Next to each game is a percentage of how many of the total trophies you have unlocked for the game. Selecting the game will then list all the trophies you have (or don't), what they are worth, and how to unlock them. Pretty simple..

Sentry

@wancell: I dunno how they seem boring looking, IMO they look pretty sexy and slick. And trophies were first introduced over a year ago at GDC 07, when the announced Home. The concept is each player has their own 'Hall of Fame,' basically a room (really sweet looking) where you can view all your trophies in 3D, and put your fav ones in glass cases, invite friends to show them off to, etc. Aldo you can go to the edge of the room, a porch like structure, and look down to see all the PS3 games in glass cases, where you can see the trophy list for ever PS3 game.

Now they are bringing trophies in 2D, first, then 3D in Home. Not every trophy will have a 3D representation though, obviously. It all depends on the dev.

And yeah, they are lazy asses, some of them anyways. Some of them could easily make trophies, all they really have to do is weigh out the values, and add a graphic for the trophy, but even those are already done for the 360, so porting should be a few days worth of time.

Whatever, devs don't want to put a guy or two on the job for several days, so be it, I wont be re-playing their game anytime soon lol.

Sentry

This is a stupid question, but how do I view the requirements for the various trophies in SSHD? I downloaded the 200-something MB update and got that installed, but when I started playing, nothing seemed any different. I didn't see a "Trophies" option or anything on the menu. Do I have to check that nifty in-game XMB?

kylenalepa

@superaktieboy: Actually that was always there, now they've just added it to all users, not just ones from 'Players Met'.

@Madeira: Lol, you know no one is forcing you to even touch them, just ignore them if you truly HATE them that much... I honestly look at Trophies/Levels as a better 'alternative' to Achievements/Gamerscore. It is just more thought out as a feature, IMO. More in-depth, as well as still being simple and easy to catch on.

And again I think you miss the point of trophies or achievements, its just to extend the game by having extra goals and whatnot to do, and by doing them you are rewarded, which you can then hold by your name proudly, showing your hardcore, etc.

It's really not as big of a deal as you make it out to be.

Sentry

@YourAnthony: uh, no it's not. Maybe it's something wrong with the installation process. Mines is fast.

Jun581 likes street fighter 2 but he hates zangeif

I'm not downloading it yet...I downloaded 2.40 and had no problems but that was a close call. As far as I'm concerned this fix may have problems too so I'll wait until the general consensus is that its safe.

fenderfuel08

Glad to here they removed the lag from the in-game XMB, it was beginning to annoy me. DL as we speak, now the developers just need to implement trophy support and in game music from the hard drive. I wanna listen to other music while stealthing around in MGS4.

zerokoolpsx

@Sentry: "And yeah, they are lazy asses, some of them anyways. Some of them could easily make trophies, all they really have to do is weigh out the values, and add a graphic for the trophy, but even those are already done for the 360, so porting should be a few days worth of time."

I couldn't agree more with you on that. As much as long I love COD4, I'm pissed they didn't even add rumble via a patch, so I don't expect them doing any trophy for past games. Still burns me up. I mean Capcom should do it for DMC4 since they has "accomplishments". It should be easier for them since they already have the foundation for it. But last I hear, they won't do it. Burns me up. argghhh

Jun581 likes street fighter 2 but he hates zangeif

@jacksinn: Well, it works on 80GB and 60GB consoles... problem is... in Europe the 80GB was never introduced, and the 60GB removed from the product line last year... so there's slim chance for me to get a PS3 with backwards compatibility at all in Sweden anymore.

The Whaleman

@Madeira:

How are points any different than a trophy? I seriously would love how either one is better than the other. They both do the samn damn thing just by a different method.

Sollus

You know, I try not to, but everyone else seems to whine and bitch about every little thing and I want to get this off my chest so why not.

'Trophies' is such a lame alternative to achievement points, I almost can't believe they went with that ( I mean, look at those trophies. good grief). How nice... a trophy. Oh wonderful I got a platinum trophy. I'm #1.

I think I might even dislike the word 'trophy'. I had no idea until now.

Madeira

have a trophy the cheat!

omegamalexxx

Some of you guys just will never be happy. Just quit playing games now please. You finally get trophies and bitch that they aren't "pretty" enough. Next you all will be demanding Sony give out free BJ's along with trophies.

I on the other hand love this stuff and I think it works well. Only thing they need to do now is just allow for game invites from in-game and maybe voice messages. Neither are really that dire for me.

Sollus

@The Whaleman: I'm currently playing through FFXII on my PS3. Have been for the past 40 hours or so of gametime I've had so I'm pretty sure it works ;)

jacksinn

@Tyber_Zann:
It's a redone art asset.The support for games has been added.It's up to the developers to put it in,which should be a requirement on any titles releasing this year.But,I see your just trying to get a jab in at Sony.

enewtabie

So they come out with a new platinum trophy, before they add any support for games?

Do these folks at Sony walk backwards all day or something?

Tyber_Zann

To whoever said that all Xbox Achievements do is give you gamerscore: not true! It is rare but sometimes your gamerscore can earn you some real life goodies. For instance last year I was involved in two promotions: The Old Spice Challenge and Forza 2 Challenge. In each challenge you had to meet a certain GS requirement to get goodies; for instance earning 1500 GS in one weekend for Old Spice got you a goodie package of products and a t-shirt. The higher the GS the better the goodie package. On Forza you earned a car depending on the GS earned over the weekend. I know XBL has done this with a few other games that involved earning in game content/expansions. So, no, PS would not be the first to use a point system for real life rewards. The trick is, for 360 users, to check xbox.com or the Inside Xbox message on the dasboard.

RgvXavi

@fenderfuel08: Lol, @ "close call". You're in the majority bro, most people had no issues in terms of their console going black..

@Jun581 likes street fighter 2 but he hates zangeif: Yeah man it sucks. I say FINE to games that don't already have any kind of reward system/360 achievements in, but for games that DO already have that (pretty much ever f*cking game; CoD4, RFOM, R&C, DMC4, etc), it sucks for them to say 'NO we will never add trophy support (or even in-game music!?) to our games, even for you die hard nubs out there who play our games 24/7'. OK maybe not that deep, but basically they are spitting in our faces by saying they will never support it, at least say you will for future titles if you're not for older titles. I mean come on...

Sentry

@Tyber_Zann:
Well there are 2 more phases in the future for this large update,so you never know what else may pop up in extra features.
You do have Pain,Pixel Junk Eden probably in the following month.Then you have Uncharted,Burnout Paradise and the exclusives in the fall.I think they could have given or setup a better protocol for the trophies.

enewtabie

YAYYYYYYZ!!

wasn't the other one like pink? ughhhhh..

@Donutta:

noticed that... niiiiiiiiice

Akmed

@enewtabie: Not really jabbing at them (gonna go out on a limb here and say I'm a Sony fanboy) but its just ridiculous that they came out with this concept and there's no meat to go with my potatoes here.

Ok, so Super Stardust currently has support, which I don't own, thus no titles for me. But I expected many more games to have launched with this. I understand its at the developer's discretion, but this is just sloppy planning on Sony's part. Basically it just boils down to this:

Sony: 'Hey guys, we have this awesome trophy system coming out at such and such date. How's that sound to you?"

Devs: 'Well, you guys can patch stuff in, right? We'll just take our time with it."

Sony: 'Oh, ok then. We'll just launch as planned, with support for one game. I'm sure everyone won't mind waiting a few weeks/months for trophies, after we've actually launched the support for it. They now have their in-game XMB anyway."

Maybe I'm wrong on looking at things that way, but that's how it feels to me. What they should have done is waited until more games had trophies to begin with. I would rather wait longer than deal with a useless trophy icon on my XMB. And no, trophies aren't a big deal to me. It's just that I expect more from Sony, but they never deliver.

Damn, I ranted a bit. You unleashed the beast, sir.

Tyber_Zann

@Tyber_Zann:
I don't mean that in a bad way though..They kinda needed a jab lately

enewtabie

Platinum is just silver but different shape...you know they can't do metalic colors.

karateka

*Puts on tinfoil hat*

You know, they fixed that problem awfully fast. Maybe they found the update to be perfectly stable, but needed to change something so the new update didn't have the same checksum as the old update. Tada! New art asset. Everyone thinks the "problem" is "fixed", and life continues unabated.

Ashground

@colineff:
Pain hasn't been patched yet.
You need update 4.00 for SSHD to see in game trophies.

enewtabie

@Tyber_Zann: If I, as a programmer, were instructed to write a patch for a game that works perfectly just to implement a stat-tracking system for trophies, with the condition that the game had to work just as well if not better on the difficult PS3 architecture... I would probably quit.

Well... that's not true. I would probably launch a campaign against management for making a bad business decision, and if that didn't work, then quit.

Tonx

ok so i updated and reset my 'pain' data to see how this works, oh it doesn't i win and unlocked trophis and yet no trophies do i have

this just doesnt work,

also what the hell is the point almost everything you want to try to do does not work and you have to quit the game to do anyway?

colineff

I can't believe you guys are getting excited over a repainted trophy. Whoopee freakin do.

lc204

@PrivateJ0ker: Well, that the idea, and consist in i f you have certain number of trophies or platinum or an especifici amount of trophies you could get stuff from the PS Store, i mean, obviously dont expect to get a entire game ( Warhawk, Socom), but u can expect a free maps, when for the rest of the people are going to cost $8.99 for example. And exclusve content before everything else like demos and stuff like that.

Its nice to see the 2.41 is out. Anybody can tell me if at the moment of unlock a trophie, make a sound or when you unlock one, is sound-less, just the notification with out sound???

PowerButton

I can not wait to get home and install it, however I really want to be able to turn off the music in games and listen to my own, I really just do not see why a game has to be patched to do that, the playstation 3 has multilayer sound, I think it might be a processing issue with some games. High quality mp3s just might cause frame rate drops and such for us 1080p TV owners.

agoraphobicfit

@Donutta: yeah i thought it felt faster. It didn't seem so slow as before. Glad i'm not the only one who noticed..

s0nlxaftrsh0ck

@Ashground:
It was adminstrative data causing the problem.Causing the XMB not to load properly.

enewtabie

I was hoping they would sneak in-game private chat. When will that be coming out?

B1ooDshOt

Installed it early this morning, and I got an error saying "wrong harddrive installed" after the update. However, powering on/off seemed to fix the problem.

dabu

Everyone's always so quick to bash sony but they did a great job handling this and fixing things in a timely manner. A week for a fix is not bad at all.

VixDiesel

I had to get Super Stardust just to see how this trophy thing was...and I can't lie, I actually like the game a LOT. I never cared before, but man, the game is addicting and crazy fun. It's worth checking out.

dkrefft

I read elsewhere (joystiq?) that Sony says anyone who's PS3 was rendered inop by the last firmware update is stuck with either sending it away or reformatting the disk and losing all their saves.

So even though this is "fixed" it doesn't fix broken consoles, right? (i.e. what's broken is broken)

zoompooky

lol:)The same guys who bashed XBL achievments now swoon over trophies.

danjlove

Hopefully this one won't bork people's systems, but the 2.4 update fortunately didn't do anything to mine so I apparently got lucky.

Sammo21

Good job Sony! I'm still not big on this achievement stuff, but if it makes the majority of gamers happy, then I'm all for it.

I would probably participate in these if Uncharted and MGS4 get the trophy treatment.

sascha23

Look... me and the McDonald's people got this little misunderstanding. See, they're McDonald's... I'm McDowell's. They got the Golden Arches, mine is the Golden Arcs. They got the Big Mac, I got the Big Mick. We both got two all-beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles and onions, but their buns have sesame seeds. My buns have no seeds. What?

oldskuel

About trophies, many games have their own method to track stats.

Look at MGS4, do you need trophies when you have all of the emblems to unlock?

For the new games to be released, it should be mandatory to get support for them, but the games already played (and replayed) don't need them.

rdcarvallo

@Donutta: "The in-game XMB lag is gone! Yay!"

Not true. The smoothness of the in-game XMB depends on the game (looks like as it overlays the game screen, it runs at the same framerate as the game does). So in e.g. SSHD (which runs at 60fps) it's much smoother than in MGS4 (which runs at 30fps).

Grauw

@oldskuel: yeah i like coming to america too, great job sony now all those liars will shut up

JackDaniels19

I hope that Sony goes through with this Trophy feature and makes it so that the developers have to make their games have them implemented, just like every Xbox 360 game and achievements. That's the only way it will succeed. It's nice that they're putting them in older games as well, as I'm awaiting the trophies for Uncharted: Drake's Fortune.

kylo4

is the sshd update back up?

gooberbaby

Are there any games that support the soundtracks, really? I was excited to run out and play GT5:Prologue because I saw it in the video blog. Turns out it doesn't work. How disappointing. I felt it neccessary to run off and play a game in my 360 just to alleviate this.

I guess what I'm saying is, as cool as this is (and more than a little bit behind) they should have waited til others were on board. They themselves haven't amended any of their previously released titles. Not to mention the fact that NO ONE on my recent players list had earned ANY trophies because only SSDHD has them. It just sounds like Sony is hurting to prove "look what we CAN do" rather than "look what we did."

I'm not gonna care anymore til I can get an update that means something to me...or even more than two people on my buddy list (the same two who share SSDHD.)
-Adam

ApocalypseVII

looks good, guess ill update. waiting on Uncharted, and definitely MGS4. yeah, we got emblems, but we needs to show 'em too.

TheIrishNinja

Well, I dunno about YOU guys [wink], but I like the new platinum trophy. Classy.

icegoat

"As reader Dan points out"

I said this last night in the 2.41 comments section at 3:30am Pac, when did Dan send it in.

DevonTheDude

Anyone else notice the store got a slightly new look? Mmmmm tastes good.

XeroTrinity

Does anyone know if you have to get the Add-On required trophies in SSHD to get the platinum trophy? If so, that would suck.

SpcmnSpf

I just got 2.41 i love the trophy system but why can you only get trophies for a few games??

W-Force4

@Grauw:

Same thing happens with the 360 blade ... lower frame rate, it slows in ... a faster low resource game, smooth as glass!

EnigmaNemesis

@enewtabie:

I'm intrigued by what this 'administrative data' is.. moreso than anything else mentioned in these posts :p

Cam_Au