Its called "FAT" princess, not skinny princess, not normal princess, not horry princess.

Its like playing Madden and wondering why there are no soccer players...

On the plus slide, free publicity and I don't think that most games are offend so easily since most of them didn't even care about the GTA sex stuff.

equalsP

I see this game and I think to myself. If the princess could gather some self control, she could lose weight and make her rescue easier.

MonkeyBiz

Hmm....reading the comments on here, as well as on Ms. McEwan's blog, I am amazed by the amount of anger on both sides over what it is more or less a non issue. Really, it isnt even like Fat Princess is going to be a major reatil release. It will reach a pretty limited auidence (in contrast to other games, anyway), and we dont even know if it will be much of a success. Yet, there's still controversy. Feminist are mad because the game objectifies women, gamers are mad because we cant take criticism of gaming.

Quite frankly, this "controversy"(if you can even call it that at this point) is just silly. Being angryabout it is silly. Me writing this comment knowing it will be buried under the 380+ that came before it is insanity. But, such is the nature of the interwebz, I guess. =/

Sheetman

Anytime a female character is in *any* form of media she is going to come under criticism from one group or another. Fat, thin, ugly or stunning someone is going to be upset about it. As a girl who plays a lot of games, when I saw "Fat Princess" my reaction was much the same as Leighs "looks cute". Why? because she's round and cartoonish and adorable. if she was a bear in a dress- nobody would complain.
Personally I'm only ever offended by female characters in games when they defy the very laws of physics with their jugs. And then I remind myself that the target audience for the game I'm playing is mostly men who won't ever see real boobs.

Whoops! did I just say something offensive... I bet dudes that play games with big-boobied women can take a joke better than self-righteous girls who fancy themselves "feminists"

ScrabCak

I'm not so much worried about the fact that the character is fat as I am worried about the people who insist that fat girls are incredibly sexy.

While the "fat girls need lovin too" argument may seem normal, I'm more concerned with the implications of someone who is desiring of a person who is unhealthy.

ShinGetterPoPo

@Owen Good: Sometimes the best and most direct way to address a problem is with satire. When the topic at hand is so politically charged that no coherent discussion can take place, satire is the perfect ice breaker which lets people communicate.

In this case, like most posters, I feel that obesity is an issue that needs to be addressed head on, but people get so easily offended that doctors have reservations about calling their overweight patients "fat" because it's deemed insensitive - even though it's essentially their job to keep their patients healthy and warn of problems with obesity. When we don't even have a vocabulary to discuss the issue, games like this can serve to bridge the divide.

Datheron

@-Vagrant-: >The idea of a male rescuing a princess is in itself more of a worn-out stereotype with sexist connotations. Far more deserving of criticism than the fatness.<

It's more of a partially-subverted archetype, I think.

Jonn

I'f people continue like this I wonder when Italian plumbers are gonna start an uprising.

DutchOtaku

@Owen Good: obesity is not a condition that can be reversed tomorrow.

I don't think anyone here is claiming that. But it is a condition that can be controlled (if not outright eliminated) with an application of willpower. I'm not saying it's easy... but I've shed 70 pounds over the course of 8 months before, all without a lick of exercise.

It really is a matter of saying, "I'm not going to live like this," and then doing something about it.

Barring extreme cases like cancer patients, there is no such thing as a long-term victim of circumstance, no matter how much our society would like to claim otherwise.

Deuce

The princess is a military objective. If the game were more realistic, this would be "Hamstrung Princess" or "Broken-Leg Princess", or even "Dead Princess". And who would want to play that?

Jonn

This exact same thing would happen if they had created a skinny princess. Some people just have image problems and of course they need to place the blame on something else.

This reminds me of those girls who sued McDonalds for making them fat...

Cybexx

@etchasketchist: Uh, many commenters have already pointed out the fact that she has no point. Basically it comes down to the title "Fat Princess" is somehow insulting and making fun of fat women, despite that the main game mechanic is having both sides fighting to save her.

Yes, it's using a natural property of a physical condition (i.e., obesity) as a central game mechanic; how is that any more offensive than, say, having thick-necked muscular men lift heavy guns and kick down doors? If you have a problem with people finding this concept funny, then maybe you ought to get to the bottom of the issue - that society itself finds obesity to be funny, as evident with numerous films, TV series, cartoons, etc. that use it as a humorous character trait.

The hypocrisy comes from the double standard present for these other forms of media - it's ok for obese guys to be made fun of on TV (think Homer Simpson), but bad for an obese woman to be a focal spot in a video game. The issue is more complicated than you and the original commenter make it seem.

Datheron

Repost from the Shakesville site:

"I am sure nobody will read this as it will be lost in the deluge of other comments. To be quite honest, I am perplexed as to why this is an issue. I am overweight, but I am also male which means my opinion will probably count for a whole lot of nothing on this site, but I'm here to give it anyways.

It's funny to watch the gamers sling insults at the people who agree with the OP, and the people who agree sling them back (albeit more sarcastically). You're all fighting. On the internet. Why? Because a fat person doesn't like a game with a fat person in it. Well, many people didn't like The Nutty Professor with Eddie Murphy, but we didn't need to launch a full-out forum war.

Whatever happened to, "I disagree with that person". I mean, do we have to make everything a crusade to the point where rational opinion and logical thought (like the post by Leigh at kotaku.com) get lost in all of the white noise? Honestly, watching two different types of cultures (immature gamer kidz vs. fat lesbos as each side would like to call the other), hurl insults at each other makes us all look bad.

In the end, the person dislikes a product because she thinks it makes people have a low regard for fat people. I personally disagree with this notion because there doesn't seem to be anything malicious in the intent. It's not exactly like they are killing the princess (except for maybe diabetes). If it had been a dog or prince or whatever-maguffin-you-want-it-to-be, would it still be as bad?

Video games, since the 80's have been founded one idea: rescue your girlfriend/princess from the evil doers. Mario did it. Ico did it. Now there is a game with a new twist on that old cliche. It doesn't reinvent the wheel, but it certainly wont make a new generation of heteronormative assholes. Leave that to the Hills and Hannah Montana.

PS. I like Sony.

PSS. I want to play fat samus Metroid prime."

Risky+Safety

I'm not exactly putting my all into this, since it isn't much of a debate.

No one has predetermined obesity for their entire lives. People can lose weight. Whether or not other factors enter into it, obesity is basically a choice. And thus is fair game for comedy. You don't like being the butt of fat jokes, put the pie down and get on a treadmill.

If it was Facially Ugly Princess, then you might have a reasonable complaint.

As for it being unfair to fat women in particular, that's just nonsense. Fat men are ridiculed constantly in and out of video games. Look at Roman in GTAIV!

The idea of a male rescuing a princess is in itself more of a worn-out stereotype with sexist connotations. Far more deserving of criticism than the fatness.
But even then it's hard to really care. I doubt this little game is going to make males believe women are inferior or anything.

In summary: Meh.

-Vagrant-

It's hard for me to put my finger on what, exactly, bothers me about Fat Princess. I think because it cartoons the very real problem of obesity, and satirizes the condition. To depict someone so unable to control her eating that it makes her a prisoner is hideous. Also, if I've read the game correctly, you're alternately force-feeding one such prisoner while trying to free the other.

The fact the prisoner is female is even worse, as body image, beauty and rejection are much different issues when applied to women.

It just makes my skin crawl, all of it. I don't even want to look at the screenshot. It really makes me very sad. I'm sure all of this comes off as patronizing sympathy for the overweight, but it's very real, mostly because obesity is not a condition that can be reversed tomorrow. Nor can smoking, or alcoholism, but jokes about those two conditions don't sting the way a fat joke does to someone who's suffered far more rejection, ridicule and judgment by complete strangers.

Owen Good

can you use SIXWAGGLE laugh at her and throw chicken at her and laugh while she sobs and picks it up and starts to eat it as the grit on the meat sinks as deep into her as the cruelty of the people making fun of her. no?

*shrug* guess real fat people are more fun...

get thicker skin. it's a game.

brightcrazystar

I think the biggest problem is that everyone is trying to force their views on someone else over this issue. The truth of the matter is that not everyone believes the same thing and therefore there is no way that the game can/should be cut apart to appeal to one group. By doing so, they are impacting the views of other groups and so on and so on.

This doesn't seem so much of a true issue as it is a lobbying event where groups come to complain as much as they can until they get their way. The truth of the matter is that the production company and publisher are the only people who have the final say in what goes out.

I hate to say it, but there are over 7 billion people and for each group to think that every game must be acceptable to them is completely rediculous. The game is made and MARKETED to a certain audience... that's right, maybe Feminists and obese men/women weren't specifically the market that was being looked for with this game. Maybe no one ever saw the onslaught ahead because it wasn't made with malicious intent. Regardless, it is what it is.

Personally, I am aware of the obesity problem and I will not lie in saying that I think this game looks like a great satire of the problem.

The princess is overfed sweets... she is held captive (unable to exercise)... she is still rescued, even in her morbidly obese state. The game shows loyalty to people no matter what your appearance, but at the same time uses common knowledge that eating too much for your body and not exercising will make you gain weight.

You could call it torture if you want, but you also must realize that there is a difference between being forcefed food and people overeating on their own in real life. The only way that people should be able to complain about this problem is if they were forcefed chocolate cake until they were made obese. It's stupid to think a game developer is mocking them by making someone be forcefed. If the individuals are overweight and they weren't forcefed, then being fat is their own problem or potentially their parents.

On this note, everyone is entitled to their personal opinion of what is "beautiful". To think that a game will be responsible for creating hate for overweight people is simply stupid. It's outbursts about people needing to accept you for what you are that make me annoyed as hell.. Leave me be with my thoughts and opinions and you can keep your own.

NfoRcErX

@topogigio: Wouldn't say that racism and sexism don't exist... the root is usually classism in disguise though.

I will say that those that have gotten the brunt of any ism historically will be the last ones to notice it's gone, because they are looking for it and sensitized to it. They will also accept the reverse treatment of that negative discrimination because it benefits them. Not always but I'm talking about tendencies.
Why be proud of being black, white, man, woman? Accepting any compliment based on one those groups is " "ist and in my opinion invalid. Saying woman are strong and powerful and often under appreciated, is sexist. In my opinion you have to fight for things/identity in this world, and you have to fight harder if you are different than the population you live in because we are all hard coded to do various degrees of "US v THEM".
From sports team to national pride (Nazi comes from essentially Nationalist, specifically the party name.. the future it might be Patzi for patriot and for being a patsy to knee jerk reaction).

@cmcginn: I find it interesting that in movies like hairspray and fairytales that are reverse the men are still culturally very physically ideal. The prince that women dream of kissing isn't middle aged and balding with a paunch.
Our media is always going to betray demographically targeted ideals for men and women. Women tend to be judged more by appearance in our society so that same targeting hits them harder.

Ehardergardens

[en.wikipedia.org]

What about "BOB" from Tekken? Why weren't people complaining about this? Stupid feminist

firen

People need to realize a couple of things:

1- It's a game
2- It's not mocking anybody
3- There's a cartoony princess, she's fat. Hence the name

Have we become so tight arsed that stating the obvious has become unacceptable? It's not offensive for anybody.

... except maybe Fat Princesses

interstate78

Anyone remember Stewie Griffin following fat people around with a tuba?

Insulting and offensive, but funny.

This game doesn't come close to making fun of fat women.

It makes fun of the mindless male drones that attempt to trap/save her if it pokes fun at anything at all.

Dr. Evil Genius

This is not a debate about a video game, but rather a debate about how we portray females in media, and how we promote weight ideals in media.

I don't think this is the ideal forum to rehash the details of this subject.

Bottom line: While the media portrayal of unrealistic overly thin models and female stereotypes is not to be commended, being overweight is not something to be proud of or accept. Being significantly overweight is a health issue, and deserves just as much scorn as malnourished anorexic looking stereotypes do.

In the end, this game is not pushing either ideal, and is completely unrealistic. It seems to be a victim of a slow news week, and politically correct crowd who seem to think it OK to bash thin stereotypes for being unrealistic and unhealthy, while hypocritically trying to justify an equally unhealthy body type.

Phantom_Photon

@EvoAnubis:
epic win

hrabbit

@etchasketchist: If you want videogames to be a recognized art form and cultural product, deal with the criticism that comes with it. And leave the critics alone. It's bullying and idiotic.

If a critic has a valid point to make, that's one thing. But she's doing nothing but making her own set of idiotic assumptions. Her own obesity doesn't make her opinions valid. And yes, there is indeed such a thing as a wrong opinion. She deserves to be called on her bullshit.

Oh, and until the OED decides to include it, "fattist" isn't a word.

I'm 275 pounds. Care to share your own measurement?

Deuce

Let's not forget that there are male characters in this game. Where do they stand? What is their value?

Their value is, truth be told, very little. In fact, they are repeatedly sent to slaughter for the benefit of their immobilized "princess," considered fully expendable, with no purpose other than servitude to the woman.

And yet, somehow, I manage to avoid getting an ulcer over this game.

R_Shackelford

There's always someone who can't take a particular joke. It's a trigger that only flips depending on who observes it. The best thing to do is simply state your case, show how ludicrous your opponents are and hope they don't have some sympathetic fop in office willing to fight for their rights at the exclusion of others.

Eventually it'll blow over and they'll overreact about something else, like a parent concerned their child is using a dualshock as a pleasure device.

Bondage_Zombie

Feminists. biggest bunch of hypocritical, moronic, useless people around, send the sluts back to the kitchen and bedrooms where they belong!! They'll end up back there in the end anyway.

Remember girls, this is a mans world, so shut the hell up and make sure dinners on the table when I get home, or there'll be some bitch slappin tonight!

jigglypoofs

Politically correct princess! That's a little bit capture-the-flag - except in this case, the "flag" is a working class business woman!
She's made difficult to move because her captors are tasked with offering her stock to invest in!

excel_excel

My friend said it right when we talked about it:

"[They are]ignoring the fact that the knights still want to rescue the princess despite the fact that she is fat."

...

"Shouldn't [they] be happy that there are fairytales out there that don't end up with the large girl only getting the prince when she magically becomes 'skinny and beautiful'."

cmcginn

I almost feel sorry for these women since clearly their self-esteem is so low that they have to hate on a relatively innocuous game and play the victim card. Furthermore, they have to try to sound intelligent by using big words to mask their own inability to comprehend that this game had no intention to target anyone. While I generally don't agree with point-of-views that favor one gender over another, these groups should at least realize that they should learn how to pick their battles more wisely.

darkcharger

So stupid. If it was about a fat prince I'm sure the feminists would be laughing about it and everyone would think it was a great, creative idea.

Seriously, the feminist movement is really just one big double standard comprised of many, smaller double standards. What a joke this whole thing is being made into.

fenderfuel08

This game offends me.

-sigend, cake

Pojomofo

I'd also like to say that whenever we "discuss" "issues" around video games, it's disturbing to see how many commenters just attack the person who started the discussion. If you want videogames to be a recognized art form and cultural product, deal with the criticism that comes with it. And leave the critics alone. It's bullying and idiotic.

etchasketchist

I guess you can shoot limbs off people,burn them to death in A game but you can't treat an overweight/obese women like
A princess WTF?

liann

Yeah, it's just a game.
And it's just a joke.

It just happens to be a fattist, misogynist joke.

Instead of pretending it's not, just deal with the fact that you find fattist misogyny funny and cute. Explain why making fun of obesity and women is a good thing that shouldn't be criticized.

etchasketchist

And on a related note, all these so-called "feminists" who get up in arms about both sides of the spectrum (obese versus idealized) most likely wouldn't care in the slightest if they weren't overweight themselves.

Get down to a size 5 or whatever size would fit you at your "ideal" weight, and see if we big, fat people don't suddenly look smaller than ants to you.

Deuce

It's too bad the comments on her post are now closed. It would have been nice to point out that her righteously outraged fan club is frothing over the objectification of fat women, right before they turn around and stereotype all video gamers as 15-year-old virgins with no social skills. I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

Z-Word

While they're at it, ban fat people from appearing in all media.

MushroomSquid

Here's what you do...you make the actual flag some really uber hawt chick...like...Jessica Alba! Who's chained to a fat chick...like Melissa McEwan...and her fat hot dog shaped finger, then you must get Jessica Alba to come to your camp...by placing cheesecake trails for Melissa to entice her fat ass to sloth your way. Thoughts?

call it...Hawt princess tied to fat ugly chick who has low self-esteem.

JCVD

hehe...fat chance of this getting read but hey what the hell...

anyways... if its not one thing it is something else. people complain by saying that how come all the girls look like super models and have giant breasts...well.... here is a fat chick and now they are complaining....MAKE UP YOUR MINDS PLEASE!!!

Daneish003

@Barbara: That's interesting. Is it your opinion that women can only be Ivy from Soul Calibur IV or the Fat Princess? There's no room for anything in between?

I don't really find this offensive (but instead see it as the intended cute and funny), but I think a lot of people are missing the reason some folks do. To some, this may look like the princess is the butt of the joke. Comments that seem to indicate that some posters apparently only see a spectrum with Fat Princess on one end and Rachel the Demon Hunter on the other might just be illustrating what they're really worried about.

WizarDru

I say to MISS Melissa McEwan, "Put the fork down, blubberbutt. From one fat person to another, chill the hell out. Statistically, it's a safe bet that being fat is no one else's fault but your own. If you really want to lose weight, no one can make it happen but you. It's not society's responsibility to change to make you feel better about your crappy self-image. I'd put good money on you being 'lesbian' solely out of your inability to find a male who isn't put off by your looks, so you find a woman whose standards have been beaten down as low as your own".

Face facts. Being fat isn't pretty, it's not healthy, and no matter how widespread (no pun intended) the pheomenon is, it's not "normal."

In the immortal words of Roseanne Arnold (then Roseanne Barr), "If you're fat, just be fat and shut up! ...And if you're thin, fuck you!"

Deuce

Chrissakes. She's been kidnapped and fed cake to make her fat, not kidnapped and savagely beaten. The game is a twist on fairy-tale tropes. Why can't people simply accept comedy for its own sake instead of nitpicking it?

Does Not Equal

Melissa McEwan, go hit the friggin' treadmill.
Seriously, if you're not happy with being so fucking fat, its your problem, keep the games away from there, thank you.

neojam

Ah good old controversy, nothing appeals to the hardcore gamers more.

You better be reading this Nintendo ;D

Itsuru

This is probably not over until the fat lady sings...oops!

Maximus9

Are the developers of this game, fat? Cause that would shut people up right there.

Philudo

@mitsoxfan: Great way of putting it. I am really tired of the media and their constant attacks. It is bullshit.

Gravnar

@lurkaku: Just to be PC on this it should be "Obesity Stricken Gender Challenged Male of Royal Descent". It just kind of rolls off the tongue, and who could be offended by a title like that?

cholinms

"Ultimately, though, wouldn't removing the fat girl, or the issue of obesity, from the game because they bring too many issues into play be precisely the wrong message to send to women?"

I'd say yes. Sending the messages that a) sensitive issues can't be represented in video games and b) sensitive issues related to women shouldn't be discussed are both wrong. Video games can be used to represent and tackle issues - look at Persuasive Games' lineup. Fat Princess isn't necessarily about discussing the issue of obesity, but that doesn't mean that any obese character should be instantly offensive. At this point there's not enough details to know how the game will handle the issue. As for issues relating to women, or any demographic, not discussing the issues isn't going to help resolve them - studying problems through any medium, such as video games, is better than nothing.

I think one thing that many of the strongest critics don't consider is intent - this game isn't meant to be insulting or cruel, it's just simple fun. McEwan is a prime example of this - her statement shows that she's convinced that this game is going to make people "heteronormative assholes". I have to wonder, does she even know what heteronormative means? I don't see what that has to do with this game, unless she's worried about representation of gender roles - in this case, a "damsel in distress". Mario's been rescuing a princess since 1985. Playing those games didn't make me a heteronormative asshole.

Anyways, back to my original point - do these critics consider intent? For example, is Cooking Mama a bad game because of the "female cooking" theme? The intent is for the game to be simple fun. If it was called "Women Should Stay In Front of the Stove and Cook", that's clearly misogynistic and the intent is cruel. As it is the intent is just simple cooking simulation fun. I think in the case of Fat Princess, the intent is just cooperative fun with the goal of rescuing the damsel in distress, which isn't a heteronormative thing - the damsel in distress is just a simple theme used in a multitude of stories. If they called it "Fat Lazy Bitch Needs Help", then I'd completely understand hostility towards the title because the intent there is clearly wrong.

I think some people just need to lighten up a bit and not worry about the issues represented in the game until they have a chance to play it. Constructive criticism and thoughtful debates are great, but without actually knowing much about it how is it fair to assume this game is anti-obese, heteronormative, and/or misogynistic?

天

You make a lead female different from the thin waist, big boob stereotype and the women get upset... bunch of whiney princesses. Here, have some sausage.

CARBOMB

Headline: Fat feminists offended by multiplayer game of "Capture the Fat"

mitsoxfan has it right, games are held to a different standard than other media. This is probably because it's a new media, and one that non-gamers just don't get.

Feeding a princess fat so the enemy can't recapture her is one of the funniest game concepts turned reality in a long time. This is counter to the tired stereotype of a princess being petite and slender. And a false stereotype at that, because I'm sure all of us knows of at least one fat princess in our lives.

royaljester

Oh I forgot something and this is very important!!!!

IT'S AN EFFING GAME!!!! JUST THAT!!!!
THESE PEOPLE WOULD CENSOR THE MARQUIS DE SADE FOR THE WRONGFUL PORTRAYING OF WOMEN!!!

The people that are complaining would only be satisfied with the abolition of fiction....

quadrado

I agree, I too would tap that ass.

djlowballer

Seems to me that the best way to deal with the bitches pissing themselves over this game is to ignore them or tell them to fuck off and lighten up a little.

TheGuilty1

If she's gonna complain about this, she should complain about all the scantly clad women being objectified in all the other games.

I read that blog entry by Melissa McEwan and it just seems like now that when weight is added into the mix its not okay in a game. What sort of message is she sending then? That its not alright to be fat, but okay to be skinny?

HoxtonHero

I guess shooting her instead of feeding her is PC these days.

proust

@topogigio: Eating organic is expensive. Eating fad diets may be too. Eating right isn't that expensive in terms of money but requires time to cook it.

Beef + vegie Stir fry and rice is cheaper per portion then a take out McDonalds.

kingmanic

DUUUDE!!! That fat chick was so ugly! [/chauvinism]

Lol jk (sorta), but that little PS was unnecessary (the PS2 sucked???? Dumb bitch... Just insult the best selling game system OF ALL TIME (maybe), it's cool, you freaking feminist retard. Maybe that's why she can't get any, because her personality sucks... Not to mention that she's ugly [/chauvinism again]). Sorry, but I hate feminists just as much as I hate the kind of chauvinists I was emulating. Most chauvinists men are that way because they're insecure, ugly, or some other defect. Most feminist women are that way because... they're insecure, ugly, FAT (case in point), etc etc.

Regular people act like... Regular people (duh). Maybe women should stop worrying about it so damn much. God forbid there be a fat woman in a game as opposed to the unrealistically proportioned type of women in SoulCalibur IV (don't see any women complaining this much about Ivy's sluttyness now, do we?). So what? There's fat men in video games ALL THE TIME. But you don't see men complaining about it.

NoMoreTrolls

I happen to think this game looks great by the way, can't wait to try. Anyone that is offended by this needs to seriously wake up, there are plenty of other things that are far FAR worse than a fat chick in a video game.
Plenty of other things to be offended about so relax

Molotov

@Rianq: right on the money! But if u say something like that you're stereotyping their psyche which is also an insult! Damn it never ends....

Doesn't anybody remember that in fables, or even in mythical stories, there are recurrences to physical features to circumvent in the best way possible the outlining of a characters persona or in order to find a gimmick that gives the hook to the aforementioned narrative... It's something we grew with...

The controversy relies on the fragile egos of various entities. Which, in order to continue their militant stand against what they see as an attack to their values end up being more fundamentalist than the people they perceive as their antagonists.

We are in an age of hypocrisy, were people try insistently to bleach every cultural aspect. Morally bullying every entity into censor everything... These are sad times...

quadrado

Fat chicks are cute? It was also funny seeing the fat feminists face photoshopped on the fat princess.

darkstar5555

biggest non-discussion ever, but that's what media is about, steering clear from issues that actually matter in the world & society and blowing little things like this out of proportion

Bluetribal

I see it like this, she's the princess... She out ranks everyone coming to save her first off, secondly she's fat yet still two kingdoms/forces are willing to fucking DIE for her.

She's also a cute little pudgy thing, she's not preotrayed as a sloppy pig, she has a clean dress not covered in cake or anything.

Really here, who wouldn't eat a ton of cake though if people kept brining it to them?

Zilor

@Soriya: gee thanks. Don't remember complaining about anything...until NOW
jerk

Molotov

My experience with any debate of this nature is that there really is no winning against the irrational, and are just best left ignored.
Honestly, if they have an irrational argument to begin with, what makes you think any of their counter points would have to be rational as well?
It's they're game you're playing, and they don't have to follow the rules, so either they win, or no one does. So just ignore them and they'll go away.

Sinfwho

@ThatFuzzyBastard:

Look again, she was the one that said the PS2 sucked. She said:

Love,
Liss

P.S. The PS2 sucked.

LittleBigPlaneteer

Forgive me if someone has said this already, but isn't the bigger issue more about the fact that they are treating the fat princess as an object? And the underlying joke being the "what the hell! who would want a fat princess! ha ha ha!" factor which I could see as offensive. Stereotypes are bad, stigmatizing people who are not as thin as a stick is bad..

It's like these issues are clear, but instead they are misinterpreted and misrepresented by the blogs/media (i.e. calling people bitchy, accusing them of being winy, etc). As in the Resident Evil 5 issue the people who played the issue down were generally part of the majority group (white)but in this case the people generally making light of the issue or poking fun at the issue are Men (Whoa, a majority of the influential online bloggers are white (middle class) males! gasp! Hmmm think think think yes must be a coincidence because racism and sexism no longer exits).

As for the weight issue alone, I don't think that being stick thin is something we should encourage, nor should we encourage people to eat and be big. I don't think there should be a positive spin given on being big because of health issues but it's more complicated than that. You have all these people who preach eating healthy and then they don't' realize that not all people can afford that. Yes, some people eat at unhealthy because that's what they can afford. If you think Trader Joe's is cheap then consider yourself privileged because to some people that's expensive.

topogigio

Did anyone else notice that one of the Google generated ads for this page is about bulimia and eating disorders? Greatest. Ad. Ever.

Lazlo

So we shouldn't watch Rosanne or John Goodman anymore?

GOLD5

@GrrSnort: Your weight can generally be predicted from how your parents fed you and how active you are. I agree, verbally abusing a kid for being fat is stupid. A lot of people will be a little tubby as children and then grow into their adult body type after puberty; And Fat children often occur due to how their fed and what their parents drive them to do. What your parents feed you will impact your future eating habits.

But there ought to be some personal accountability too? If he was over 18 he could have taken responsibility for his own body? I know it's not easy once your big to slim down, and the body fights tooth and nail to get back to being comfortable but change starts with taking responsibility.

kingmanic

@Zaos:

I hate Microsoft for stealing Halo from Mac users!

They stole it!

WITH MONEY!

a_pink_poodle

If people would mix in a bit of humor, giggles and laughter into their point of views... this world wouldn't be so complicated.

FAT PRINCESS, everyone moans about her being too fat and is a total mockery of woman.

SKINNY PRINCESS, feminist moans about the unrealistic image portrayed by a skinny princess also sending negative images to girls.

honestly, I'm sure some of our commentary visitors of kotaku have a significant other that is a female. I have and I know how much of a pain it is to deal with them sometimes.

Girl: "Am I too fat?"
that is the most infamous "Am I too fat?" Trap
YOU CAN't WIN! much like this whole debate regarding FAT PRINCESS.

People! Feminist! The obese! Medieval Folks! LIGHTEN UP, it's a game.

RyuriTatsujin

What's really hilarious is the way the shakesville comment thread turns into a Sony/Xbox pissing contest a third of the way in.

superbabyproject

how about phat princess instead?

whiners will be whiners

the_answer

@bangbangblah:

None whatsoever. Good point!

magictroll

@kariokie: ...I would. But that's a story for another day. >_>

Makoto

@xAnarChisTx: no no no, the people who are offended are fat and jealous they don't get that kinda attention! People wanting to do shit for them. It's a bunch of fat bitches complaining cause they like cake and no one will give it to em.

Hell, being overweight is a problem but it's one THE PERSON BRINGS ON THEMSELVES! Hell, I'm overweight and I blame no one but myself. I just don't do much. I don't eat much but I don't do much. And so my metabolism is slow.

Viciouschan

@kingmanic: Which is probably why guys see this as funny and these women don't - because it's a reminder that they don't fit that image that society wants to imprint upon them (the incredibly skinny supermodel).

Honestly, this is the kind of game that people should laugh at. It's original, funny, and it looks really fun. Why complain about everything and enjoy nothing?

VieMort

If feminines are depicted as well-endowed, slender heroines it's sexist. If they are depicted as incredibly obese, it's utterly intolerant. I say we just cut women out of videogames completely and never have to worry about that stuff again.

...Damn, if there are no women at all, it's sexist again, isn't it? Curse the females and their conclusive logics!

Rianq

@Leigh

"Ultimately, though, wouldn't removing the fat girl, or the issue of obesity, from the game because they bring too many issues into play be precisely the wrong message to send to women?"

Absolutely.

nlyonssmith

I wish this game was coming to XBLA

kidko

They should just rename it "Pregnant Princess" and there you go: no more issue.

Frankly, I love the concept, and like it's been said above, it's the conceit of the title that these little warriors are literally being hacked to death in order to move an entitled, uncaring heiress around. It's great that you can read nothing into the story and conversely make up so much; but like Picasso said: "People who try to explain pictures are usually barking up the wrong tree" but he also said "There are only two types of women - goddesses and doormats".

mariospants

Wow---a surprisingly decent discussion here! The Banhammer seems to be working.

Two points, though:

1.She's not the one who closes with "The PS2 sucked"---that was a commentor.

2. When she goes on about "-but the only thing I can't figure out is why anyone would want to rescue a fat princess in the first place, since everyone knows that fat girls are unlovable human garbage at whom any sensible bloke would sooner hurl invective than cast a longing glance."---which directly contradicts the whole system of the game, well, that's when I start to wonder if there isn't something entirely unrelated to Sony being worked out here.

ThatFuzzyBastard

@razorangelwings: It could star Joan Rivers and Michael Jackson.

"In his first video game appearance since Moonwalker, and in the first relevant thing she's ever done, Michael Jackson, Joan Rivers in: PLASTIC SURGERY PRINCESSES!"

mitsoxfan

I don't get it. This game doesn't give off a message that being fat is bad, the only thing the game implies is that eating lots makes you fat which makes you heavy. Which, guess what, IT DOES (albeit it takes a lot longer in reality). So what's wrong with it?

If it were a game about an army of buff, muscular guys slaughtering hordes of fat women then yes, maybe they'd have a point. As it is this is just people whining for the sake of it.

CoreWolf

@geekgrrl: sorry buddy you got it totally wrong. sure there are some silly posts on here. but most of them have a cynical and intelligent conjecture to them. give some of the commenters on here some credit. making the assumption that male gamers cant relate to this topic is moot. male fat characters have been mocked in gaming since the NES days (Double Dragon anyone?) and now, RUFUS from SF4? "presuming that male gamers can't relate to female issues is a form of chauvinism in it of it self."

see what i did there?

zanzibarlegend

I don't see much of a statement from this game beyond this: heavy things are hard to carry.

muffinmcmuffin

If given the chance, any weak person will justify their weakness. For overweight people to blame their obesity on anything other than genetic disorder is weakness. Nobody forced them to pick up all that McDonald's food. The problem with the litigeous society that we live in today is that there's no accountablility. I had an overweight friend growing up. You know what his overweight parents told him? That he wasn't fat and it was all just baby-fat. Baby-fat at 13 years old? That's fucking cruel. You know what's even crueler? The fact that his parents did nothing about his eating habits, continually bought him crap, and never once encouraged losing weight, all the while insisting that he wasn't really fat. The failure of his parents has resulted in him developing diabetes, losing his foot and his right leg below the knee. Why the fuck did one of my best friends growing up have to suffer because of the neglegence of the parents and their unwillingness to deal with the consequences of their lifestyle?

GrrSnort

Disney makes fun of men by making almost every King in their movies a blithering idiot, but no women says a word.

Ugly Betty is a breakout hit despite its implications.

Why would anyone save a Fat Princess? She's the heir to the empire! You win via marriage!

dadeisvenm

@everybest: I saw that on another forum. Awesome.

ChimDeathmonkey

@mitsoxfan: Haha, I don't know, it sounds like it could be a pretty awesome horror game...mix-and-match body parts!

razorangelwings

Eh, see, a problem with Fat Prince is, that now feminists would suddenly think "Oh, so now a bunch of women gotta go rescue that fatass? We're supposed to like men no matter what they look like? Pfft. I bet if it was a Fat PRINCESS, no one would care..."

See? There's ALWAYS something to complain about! You just have to look for it!

The more you know...

Aerokii

Cake is fattening.
Eating cake while sedentary makes you fat.
Fat people are heavy.
Heavy things are hard to rescue.
Make it work with something else? Then it won't have the same charm.
I'm sure it was supposed to be taken lightheartedly, and I don't get how it isn't.
Are people going to play this game and immediately hate fat women?
Are they going to grab and restrain the nearest woman and begins stuffing her full of cake?
I'm sure this is mostly just a case of the "Me too!" syndrome, where people are finding things to dislike about videogames because everyone else is.

Sinfwho

Q: "Ultimately, though, wouldn't removing the fat girl, or the issue of obesity, from the game because they bring too many issues into play be precisely the wrong message to send to women?"

A: Yes.

Q: Will the game's developers still receive a ridiculous amount of pressure to change their design?

A: Yes.

Q: Moral of the story?

A: Life sucks and is not fair. Ignorant/hateful game critics FTW... /sarcasm... or something

Kamesen

How about all the fat feminists lighten up and learn to laugh. Overweight is one thing, but if you're obesely 500 lbs. or so, you can't use the excuse "It's all genetics I swear". Somewhere down the line, you screwed up.

tl;dr: LEARN TO LAUGH. Life is about smiles. Fat people. So what? If you're so grossly offended by this game that you feel the need to write a whiny, feminist article and flip the bird at Sony, then obviously someone isn't counting their calories, and that's not my fault or Sony's.

Ryuk

...they complain about big titties, claiming 'why cant they make more life-like women in video games'...then someone goes out and creates, what...the first fat woman in video game history and they cry about being made fun of...I think these feminists are as ridiculous and off-base as the men who think giant tittied, small waisted women are the only pretty thing on earth. They view slim, small-busted women as perfection apparently...which in itself is just as ridiculous as a man desiring to boink nothing but stripper'ish women.

and I'd say fatties are about as common if not moreso than slim small-busted women, ...so is the one chick saying she hates the way her body is, but hates the way other people look as well unless they're slim and small-busted?

...I think she needs to cheer the eff up and go on living life

ComixZone

... ok, this is just stupid!!!!

At least the "racism" issue in RE5 had something that could have been taken the wrong way... buy, Fat Princess? For real? What the hell is happening?

THIS IS A GAME!!! Who cares if she is fat? Are we mocking fat girls or something?

Man... this is so absurd, I can even argue with such moronic complains!! ... People!! Use your brains for something!!

Chopper_Mike

People are looking too much into it.
Just like WiiFit telling people they are fat.

It's a fun game, and even if Leigh don't like it, I'll say it again: It's just a game.

Yeah, because I think people are taking games too seriously nowadays, and THEY SHOULDN'T.

As for the girl who got offended because of the game, maybe it's because she doesn't feel confortable with her own image, and she saw herself on that game somehow.

I don't see how a game like that will make stereotypes worse, or will make people think even worse about fat girls.

Also, I think people are too much one sided on certain things. Maybe some fat kids will look at that and decide that it's finally time to do something about their own image. How about that?

Because parenting nowadays shure is AWFUL, and some people just needs a wake up call to reality.

And I'm saying all that while I'm not exactly thin. Do I get offended by people that comes straight to me and says "you are getting fat"? No. I only realise what's obvious, and try to do something about it.

I think some people just want to live around a shell of confortable lies and stay the way they are 'till it's too late to do something about it.

While I'm totally against prejudice against skin color and sexual opinnion, I think people are going too far.

Yeah, obesity is a problem. It's getting worse everyday. And going to the point of complaining about a fun game that doesn't even touch the subject directly won't do much to help it either.

Bokusatsu_Tenshi

A fat chest won't be the same because you can't feed it and make it harder to transport. I mean it could have been a hippo, but then you would not want to save a hippo as much as saving a princess. So you see there's a reason for it being that way. So stop crying you fat bitch.

karateka

Aww, a fat bitch is offended. Maybe she should save all that aggression about the game and get her fat ass down the gym.

iseptimus

After reading the Shakesville blog and the much more insightful feministe.us blog, it seems that the real problem is that the fat princess will eat whatever is put in front of her and it is this part of the mechanic that upsets them as it reinforces the idea that fat people are fat of their own accord and not due to socio-economic factors, genetics and advertising. Basically, this is just a re-hash of the "Obesity is bad" arm of the Wall-E controversy. Slate.com did an interesting article on it.

KanjiGear

@GrrSnort: YOU are the man. Chocolate-covered bacon fat?! nice....

It beats my "ten-piece bucket-of-grease".

Kudos to you!

Dr. Evil Genius

What's wrong with the whole thing is that people always look for "something" to be the problem instead of looking into "themselves" to see if they have a problem.

For instance, GuttlessWonder said around the beginning:

"The real problem is that there are people in our society who will be playing these games and screaming into there headsets "SOMEONE COME HELP ME MOVE THIS FUCKING PORKER!!!"

We can't blame a damn game for a person's ignorance. The feminist that are getting mad at the game for what OTHER people have said or done is f@cking stupid.

Also GuttlessWander said how people would probably be playing RE5 and shouting "DIE N***ERS DIE!!!" I'm a 22 year old black male, and I couldn't give a damn whether or not the game was taking place in Africa or not. Why? Cuz the game isn't about genocide...its about killing fuggin zombies, which are fantasy.

People always wanna place blame on something for society's problems, but hell they need to check themselves, cuz if being 'politically correct' is needed to make games that are nowhere near remotely related to the game's subject matter, then videos games are gonna suck.

Keiul

as a fat chick myself, i must admit that when i first saw this game, i thought the concept was kinda funny. after all, it wasn't her fault that her captives fattened her up...and it was different. what upset me were the comments that followed the original post on kotaku. i saw people (guys) hailing it as the "greatest game evar" and the best thing since sliced bread. i didn't understand the reaction, and i still don't. i just know that yeah, leigh, you probably picked the wrong forum to expect an intelligent discussion on this topic.

geekgrrl

@_woLf: I was thinking the same exact thing. They should've called it, "The Full of Personality Princess".

NexusSIX

We are giving this way to much time for thought and people are giving Melissa way too much credit or notice for her comment/actions.

"Anyway, congrats on your awesome new game, Sony. I'm positively thrilled to see such unyielding dedication to creating a new generation of fat-hating, heteronormative assholes. It's not often I have the opportunity to congratulate a cutting-edge tech company on such splendiferous retrofuck jackholery. Way to go! The Fat Princess of Shakes Manor salutes you."

This is exactly just like good ol' JT and others that been trying to hammer in that violent video games are creating violent people.

The only difference is that Melissa does not even attempt to put forth any supporting logic/intelligence behind her statement and she follows this trend with most of her writing in general. In her messed up mind she thinks she is a "Fat Princess" when in reality she comes off as a venomous man-hating overweight lesbian who probably hates herself and will die exactly the same way she lives her life.

tazz77

Honestly I hate stuff like this.. I'm sitting here thinking to myself "intresting concept for a game". I'm sure if it was "Fat Prince" nobody would care. Or nobody would listen at least.

weasl

I'm definitely going to support this title now that I know that it's pissing some people off. I hope that the integrity and name stays the same, despite any controversy.

INTVGene

I just read through some of the comments on the blog... Damn, they make us console fanboys look like kind-hearted little angels.
That's quite a mouth they have there, those rubenesque women who clearly don't take kindly to debating with intruders who dare step onto their blogterritory and express dissent.

@kingmanic: Those results aren't even that surprising. Most men don't make nearly as big a deal out of women's weight as women themselves do. Pretty much every guy I know went out with (an) overweight girl(s) at some point, and didn't give a flying fuck.
Oh, sorry, I meant to say that all men are disgusting fat-hating pigs.

Antiterra

Even if this game was developed with the expressed aim to berate the obese, there really isn't an ethical issue as far as I am concerned. There is a big (pun intended) difference between poking fun at something you can control (ignorance, weight) and making fun of something you cannot control (gender, race).

Dr. Evil Genius

Bravo, Leigh Alexander: a thoughtful response to an issue too flippantly disregarded. Editorials like this give me hope that this infantile industry has the capacity to grow up.

Cam_Ras

@RET_Ghost: Absolutely the funniest random statement of the day.

Dr. Evil Genius

@GOD:
"It's not like we are running around harpooning the woman!"

You win the thread. You may collect your cake at the door.

Billkwando

Fat chicks hate this game.
This game hates skinny chicks.
Skinny chicks hate fat chicks.
And I hate bitches.

GrrSnort

Why can't people just take this game for what it is: a game. There's no hate being shown to anyone. No underlying messages.

Quintus Thorn

Future Kotaku headline
N'Gai Croal: "Obviously no women developers worked on sexist Fat Princess game."

XbhaskarX

What I'd like to know is why Kotaku continually gives a voice to people that are nothing but blatant attention seekers. First N'Gai Croal, now this. Stop covering these self-important windbags, and maybe we can get back to some important issues, mmkay?

GrandfatherParadox

Yes, you've gotta love mainstream media: If the princess is stunningly beautiful, then she represents an unrealistic ideal that objectifies women and damages their self-esteem. If she's a rotund hippo, well, then, fat women cry foul. In fact, how about Hungry Hungry Hippos the Video Game? With a fat princess on each of three of the four sides, and Kate Moss on the fourth. But poor Kate's mouth isn't big enough to swallow the marbles, or it just won't open...

mrryu

This just in:

apparently some fat people are:

- mocked in movies, by you guessed it.... fat people!

- outspoken about their weight, and in many cases flaunt it with a sense of you guessed it....pride!

- known to participate in the media by competing in you guessed it.... Food Eating Contests!!!

so with all those caveats in place.... i can see why a fat princess eating cake would be a problem in a videogame.

zanzibarlegend

@breakblossom:

Well said.

Also, shouldn't women be more upset by Ivy's increasingly enormous breasts in Soul Calibur 4? At least this makes sense as a fat princess would be harder to move, whereas the breasts in SC4 are so big that they would really hinder swordfighting.

Also, how does one reconcile all this Fat Princess / Resident Evil 5 whining with calls for more women and minority characters in games? Those characters can only be good-looking protagonists? All the funny-looking bad guys have to be white heterosexual males?

XbhaskarX

I don't know if I need to be told how to think about a silly tug-of-war video game or women's issues from a website with the image of a young girl running down the street with a shotgun in her hand. Not to mention the American Apparel add with a half-naked, objectified woman.

The title of the article "Well, that was bound to happen," sets up the expectation that video game industry it nothing but boorish hacks jumping at the chance to offend. Glad to see they approach the video game industry with the same open mind they demand of everyone else.

In their rush to judge they've also completely missed the point of the game:

The joke here is also obvious: LOL who would want to rescue a fat chick?

Everyone playing it. In fact, that's the object of the game. The goal is to rescue the princess. This is not an argument about being thin and hot versus fat and unattractive. It's about being light or being heavy.

Because women are helpless in the face of cake, of course, she just eats and eats.

Not women. Princesses. And princesses don't care who is feeding them, as long as it's tasty and free. Princesses believe they have a divine right to be served by those of lower class. I don't see the opponents of class warfare up in arms over this game, or any games featuring royalty.

That is the distinction most of the reactive voices fail to see. This game isn't about women. This game is about a princess, and no, not all women are princesses.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll be off to support FEMINISTE by clicking on their American Apparel ad and and ogling the objectified models. Oh, the hypocrisy.

doubtful

This whole thing is ridiculous. I'm never one to dismiss the subject matter of a game just out of hand, but honestly it's a cutesy strategy game that dodges the heavy morale issues of war with a considerably more lighthearted view. It's honestly on par with the concepts presented in children's books and stories. You can't have serious societal discourse over a candy coated pick-up-and-play game like this. It's simple and sweet, and the very act of them willing to carry the unrealistically and behemoth sized princess back shows their affection for her. It's not a "Har-har-har fatty patrol!" sentiment as much as a silly and funny way to incorporate a game mechanic to make it different that stuff you've seen before.

Phiphenomenon

You've got to be kidding me. Anyone complaining about this was trying to be the first one to find something offensive in it. It seems it's popular to point out the shortcomings or faults of something no matter how miniscule it may be, just to be first.

Sammael

Most of my thoughts have already been echoed by some of the more intelligent comments here.

That said, I find it utterly amazing and despicable how vile some of these comments have gotten. Not agreeing with someone else's viewpoint does not give you license to attack them personally (I know...this is a radical idea). The people who went out of their way to photoshop those images are merely proving the "loser gamer" stereotype. And this doesn't just apply to comments...Jim Sterling of Destructoid did his fair share of the damage too.

If you want to attack them, attack with well thought out ideas and reasoning. Logic will triumph over insults and even if the other side doesn't concede, there is honor in a well-fought battle.

KanjiGear

I"m sure my kingdom will put her on a diet as soon as they get her back, so no big deal right!?

Makidian

Honestly, I think it is a mistake to allow a body built for activity to lie dormant and build fat cells.

It is my personal opinion. I am entitled to it.

At the same time, giving this game a hard time about the fact that it uses a object that becomes harder to move the more it eats as a major design decision is pretty hilarious.

The people overreacting need to look into a mirror objectively and think maybe this game is touching a nerve because it is showing all of America what happens when you overeat a bunch of junk.

Rubix42

This is SO ridiculous! I seriously hate what these imbeciles are doing. There's always someone complaining, isn't there? It's pathetic. Sony, GOOD JOB ON A GREAT GAME! Keep up the great work!

Darth_Xehanort

@alaren:

Ok Leigh, time to be honest: is this your mom??

kennyd1

I hope that fatty chokes on a Big Mac.

argh

Odd Survey results:

A magazine conducted a survey by presenting pictures of women and asking which one people thought had attractive bodies.

Women's opinion of attractive bodies clustered around size 8

Men's opinion of attractive bodies cluster around size 12

The actual average size for women in America is 16.

kingmanic

@razorangelwings: So you won't be purchasing 'Plastic Surgery Princess'?

mitsoxfan

There is nothing wrong with this game, people just want something to bitch about. & Shakes is only complaining because she's a fatty...

DarthWind

I am offended by the use of the term "heteronormative".

brduvel

nom nom nom

nypricks

I'm a fat princess, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

Day Man

sounds like another "resident evil does not care about black people" deal. people need shit to be pissed about, i guess.

this would have never happened if hilary clinton were president........

jfx316

Damn! Fat *itches be hatin' Fat Princess!

pandasonic

From McEwan's post: "splendiferous retrofuck jackholery".

Melissa,
this kind of pretentious wannabe lingo, as well as thinking that "P.S. The PS2 sucked" makes for a great witty coda to your great feisty post kinda makes it hard to sympathise with you. Or even want to listen to anything you ever have to say, ever again.

Most of us can laugh at our own imperfections (or things-that-are-considered-as-imperfections-by-others-even-if-you-think-they-shouldn't-be) when the laughter isn't the scornful, disdainful and cruel kind. Clearly, you can't.

Antiterra

Great write-up on gaming and feminist theory, insightful and fair, doesn't oversimplify the issues but reaches a good conclusion...

Leigh Alexander > Maggie Greene.

Of course, based on the offhanded trolling... er, editorializing engaged in by others lately, Leigh Alexander > everybody else.

Thanks for the quality work, Leigh.

alaren

I actually wrote something about this (and the related topics of female protagonists and perceived sexism in games) in a blog that I'm trying to set up with a friend. My response took the form of a giant wall of text, so... to save space, here's a link: [hobobucket.com]

tl;dr version: We need female characters that we can laugh at. Also, feminists have cooties.

Hannah

I could make a fantastic logical argument for why any controversy is misplaced (ie, wouldnt all the games that DONT have fat people promote fat-hating???) but instead I will just say this:

I am reading this while eating cake.

icegoat

@pasquinelli: I thought my second one was too

Guttlesswonder

Rate it "M" for feministic attitudes toward obesity.

casbar

As a not-entirely-thin girl, I don't find the game offensive, mostly because it's supposed to be goofy and an alternate take on the whole "rescue the princess" trope. I don't think the game's cartoon-like simplicity is really a deep or thought-provoking topic. To me it doesn't seem like the game is making a statement, intentional or not, about obesity or women. Now, if the game was called something like "Rescue the Ugly Fat Princess and Feed Her Diet Pills So She Gets Thin and Attractive"...THAT would constitute something offensive and discussion-worthy, I think.

As a side note, it really bothers me that so many people in this thread, and in the feminist blog itself, keep referring to women as "bitches" as kind of a blanket phrase. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but that is hateful and derogatory language that should be reserved for use with ACTUAL bitches : )

razorangelwings

Dude if fat people are that offended by it, they should go lose some weight.

Glaiel-Gamer

Just wait till they get a load of the sequel

The Increased Mass Index 'has as much opportunity in life as any lanky chauvinist cock' Princess 2: Squashing out Political Incorrectness

OcelotSnake89

Maybe the critics will like the sequel, Bolemic Princess, better.

newname42

I was talking to a fat person yesterday and she seemed really normal, she had a job, went to school, etc. She even had her own personality, and it was different from other fat people I've met.

Just like normal people, fat people all have their own personalities, it's pretty amazing.

Fryfat2

Fatty two-belts.

Grahamunculus

@Garo: Really they're just looking for a reason to lash out at society because they have incredibly low self esteem. Apparently they're lacking in the intelligence department as well because they didn't even attempt to make any valid points. All they said was "this game stereotypes fat women." Did they elaborate on how it does that? No, of course they didn't because it simply doesn't. Unless of course somehow eating loads of cake can make you fat, and being fat makes you heavy are no longer facts but stereotypes, these idiots have no idea what they're talking about.

ƒox

This has probably been said somewhere up there, but I'm going to do it myself.

If you're offended when someone says "fat" and you're fat, then you feel bad about being fat.

So do something about it. Even if it isn't your fault, hypothyroidism is treatable.

If you're unwilling to do something about it, either you're comfortable with it and don't care or you're too fucking lazy to do anything about it - in which case you deserve no one's sympathy.

Being fat isn't like having AIDS or being autistic or disabled. You can do something about it. Stop wasting your fucking time bitching about it, lay off the junk food and play DDR bout an hour a day. You'll feel better in a couple months.

If you're too fucking lazy to dedicate an hour of your time every day to your health and self-confidence, then shut the fuck up and go eat a cake. With bacon and ice cream on it.