@Silverwolf: The world may never know.

Saint Anima

@AndrewG009: I loved the trailer that featured the taiko drum score and the very elegant stylish armored characters.
I played the demo and bit of the full game and decided just like Pariah the graphics are good, but somewhere they just miss on making something a compelling story/game.
The graphics were very good.
I think they are technically competent, and I think since they have experience in this area they are a perfectly decent choice for assisting the port. I doubt they will have creative input.

Ehardergardens

What?! Stop the hate! Hayden Tenno is awesome, and Dark Sector was fun. :( I hate you.

I kid!

Oh wait, no I don't. :)

HaydenTenno

@Silverwolf: Truly. Are the consoles really that different from one another? That must be such an incredible drag for developers these days.

Swift_

Now answer this riddle; how many developers does it take to make a PS3 port?

Silverwolf

Don't know if I should be happy, sad, or disinterested. :|

Megan Fox iz Hot ^-^ -ph15h

All I can say is this; don't screw it up, Digital Extremes.

Archaotic

What are you talking about? Pariah was great(ish)!

7ucky

I don't know if you should make fun of Hayden Tenno. He's a commenter here, you know.

mind in rewind

@Fangeh: You are correct - if it looks the same side by side to the human eye, it's fine with me. Unfortunately, Dark Sector did not, it produced a more blurry and unsharpened image on the PS3. Quite similar to GTA IV to be honest. As far as I'm concerned, this blur filter is applied in post-processing to hide the jaggies that the lower resolution and lack of AA make apparent. It's not a good option if you didn't guess it by now.

Besides, I think this is as on-topic as can be; it's about Dark Sector, BioShock, respective developers, games and the PS3. :)

Candlejack

Glad to know that it wont turn out like Orange Box with EA....?

Snappywave

Hmm i thought dark sector was pretty damn good.

nitram100

Well, they better port it with more content since its the bluray & with HDD. After MGS4, I'm spoiled with content. Or it better be cheap.

ahmeng

@Candlejack: It's hard to say how much more work it takes to get the PS3 version of a game looking on-par with a 360 game; can't do anything other than speculate really. I always remember the CoD4 devs saying they were putting their best programmers on the PS3 version. It's a question of how many resources a developer wants to use for one version of the game over the other. If they can get both games to the point where you really have to compare the two side by side or have a preexisting hard-on for antialiasing to tell the difference, then I personally won't point to programmer laziness.

Last comment from me on this as it's not on topic

Fangeh

I thought it was a good game, good enough to buy it again or buy the sequel, I only traded it in for MGS4. I think they should be a good help with Bioshock since it isn't being made for the 360 at the same time, they should be able to exploit the PS3's abilities better working with 2K

Makidian

@wild homes is weathering cephalopod trouble!:

Oh man, lol, that hurts.

For all you PS3 fans out there, I truly hope you get a respectable port of this game, because it's definitely a fantatic shooter.

DugDawg

Digital Extremes is headquartered here in London!? I never realized we had a development studio.

The Forest City, home of Labatt's, Carling, Digital Extremes, Rachel McAdams and the San Diego Chicken!

Interesting to see how the game comes together, I still haven't played the bloody 360 version yet (just the demo) but might give the PS3 version a go when it comes out in Oct. If I get a system by then.

GordieHoweHatTrick

@Witzbold: I was excited for Dark Sector back when it was more space sci-fi oriented. After they made the shift, the game sort of fell off of my radar.

AndrewG009

@InsidiousTuna (Thunder McAwesome Christ): I think you might wanna hold back on those kind of accusations.

Candlejack

I was really hoping they'd get the team that worked on the PS3 version of The Orange Box to help with this translation. That game was the prettiest slideshow I've ever seen.

wild homes is weathering cephalopod trouble!

I thought Dark Sector was an excellent game.

Granted it had its flaws, but I for one said it was $$$ well spent.

Anyone who blindly hates on it doesnt deserve to be called a gamer.

Witzbold

@Candlejack: I think you're just making shit up.

InsidiousTuna

@Fangeh: Why not? I think I can blame both Rockstar and these devs to be honest. Sorry if I'm stepping on somebodies toes by saying that, but Heavenly Sword was a really early title and pulled of 1280x720 with 4xAA easily and had more shit going on at times than Dark Sector (especially) and GTA.

I'm not saying GTA IV didn't look great on both systems, I'm just saying that developers aren't putting in the extra effort for PS3 games when they go multi platform. There are ways to work around the inability of the RSX to render FSAA and HDR at the same time which MGS, Heavenly Sword etcetera have proven.

Candlejack

Wow, between Epic and this group, it would seem that Epic has done a little bit better for themselves. I wasn't a fan of Dark Sector at all, mainly because I'm super tired of anti-heroes. But it's not like they'll be doing anything drastic to Bioshock anyways, so Andrew Ryan won't get mopier or anything like that.

jBusiness

I really liked the last bossfight in Dark Sector, it felt so old school.

hotdamn

@TheGuero:

Almost forgot to mention, despite the poor overall gunplay, the shotgun was awesome in that game. Felt like a shotgun should.

DugDawg

I sorta liked it, but it had issues:
[kotaku.com]

Brian Crecente

@Candlejack: GTA4 had the same resolution discrepancy, and Rockstar did a great job with both versions. Not sure you can really blame the developer for that one.

Fangeh

i hope this game ports well, it would be a shame if it was broken.

s0njas0n

@TheGuero:

I'm with you. The boss fights were great in Dark Sector, and the glaive was pretty cool. Unfortunately the gun play was a little weak, but all of the cool special powers in the game were definitely interesting. Once you get past the first few levels, the game really picks up steam.

DugDawg

These guys had Dark Sector render at 1152x640 without AA on the PS3 and 1280x720 with 2xAA on the 360, so I'm not convinced this is a good idea regarding their skills working with the PS3 hardware...

Candlejack

What great photoshopping skills someone has :D

Arnold Rimmer's Garden Strimmer

Dark Sector and Pariah...not the best portfolio in the world...

QualityJeverage

Woo! I just walked into the building their office is in to buy a muffin!

Fangeh

I was watching TV, and then I looked back at the computer screen, saw that picture, and nearly shat myself.

InsidiousTuna

Hmm... How well did Dark Sector preform on the PS3? I seem to recall multiplayer getting gimped due to some technical difficulties.

Brenneh

Am I the only one who thoroughly enjoyed Dark Sector? The multiplayer was pure shit, but the single player was very enjoyable. It didn't necessarily introduce anything too amazing, but what it did, it did right.

Who's with me?

TheGuero

...i hope they don't mess it up...

shichi

Yeah, the shotgun was mean, I loved it. Definitely felt and sounded awesome. Probably the best shotgun I've seen in a game before. The sound in dark sector was pretty awesome all around. I liked dark sector, and if there is a new one, I'd probably buy it.

wicko

@trigger2: Um...UT3 currently is only available on PS3 and PC and I'm pretty sure the PS3 version isn't a port of the PC version. Also, the article mentions UT2003, not UT3.

Yeah, looking at the PC version of UT3, I'd say Epic designed it for the PS3 and then made a PC port. :D

Candlejack

You got glaive in my rapture!

Seriously, why couldn't they have approached a first party developer that know what they're doing, i.e. Insomniac and/or Naughty Dog.

Insomniac already have their hilariously named "Nocturnal Iniative" to make their resources available to other developers.

Love or hate Drake's Fortune, it was a spectacular feat considering it was Naughty Dog's first foray into the PS3 hardware. I think they definitely have the knowhow to help Bioshock live up to, and possibly surpass, the 360 experience.

Mutton-Chops

lol i like that image

themm

this will not end well

Andromatic

@DugDawg: Shotguns don't really feel like how shotguns in games and movies are portrayed.

They do have some kick (an 8 gauge bruised my shoulder, felt like I broke a bone) but have significantly less stopping power then often portrayed.

kingmanic

Give them a f'n break dudes. Dark Sector was not THAT bad. I had a good time playing it. It's not perfect at all, but it's not close to a awful title.

bgeorget

Shouldn't Epic if anyone be helping them with UE3 on PS3?

hagridore

BioShock* ... the capitalization is paramount.

Rorschach2112

As far as I remember the PS3 & 360 version were being developed at the same time (then made timed exclusive on the 360). Yet, from what I just read they have "2K Marin, 2K Boston, 2K Australia and Digital Extremes" working on it. Was the PS3 version completely scraped & then they decided to make a port of the 360 version? Another thing doesn't anyone else think that's a hell of a lot of studios working on one port?

Silverwolf

@7ucky: It was great if you like dull fpses where every battle feels the same.

Oyn

Dark Sector looked good, at least. The places where DS fell down (story, pacing) are already there for Bioshock, so this could work pretty well.

Shifty_Pete

@DugDawg:

I actually liked the Gun play in it. They were somewhat overpowered, so they found a way of limiting them. They felt like real guns in my opinion.

TheGuero

@TheGuero: I dug Dark Sector also. It was completley competent and entertaining.

@everyone else: UT3 PS3 was fine- as good as every other version. Any of it's failings were due to the original material. So they ported UT3 just fine and made their own good, but not groundbreaking, game. I haven't played Pariah. So, that's a pretty decent track record. If anything, you have to admit, they have proven that they can handle the PS3 hardware.

Why is it so cool to bitch about everything?

trigger2

I thought the Dark Sector Demo was very cool. I noticed it dropped to $40 very quickly, I'll probably get it soon.

RaepGoblin

@Brenneh: Well that shouldn't matter with this b/c Bioshock isn't suitable for multiplayer anyway.

Spartan1308™

@Wicko - By "people" I assume you mean my post, cuz I'm the only one I can see that made alternate suggestions. And yes, I did take both resources and availability into account. Even used both of those words myself.

Mutton-Chops

I think Dark Sector was actually good...perfect no, but the graphics and the ideas to use the glave were awesome...I would buy Dark Sector 2.

Does this mean we get a glave in Bioshock?!?! :D

Oh and Pariah wasn't that bad either, it wasn't the next Halo but it wasn't bad.

HALO-32

Extreme Pinball was one of the first CD titles I owned when I first made the switch from C64 to IBM PC. In fact, I still own it. It's still one of my favorite pinball games (though the Pro Pinball series is more accurate), and I do occasionally fire it up.

relic1980

@mind in rewind: @HaydenTenno: See? Don't upset Hayden Tenno. He has a fucking glaive from Krull!

mind in rewind

@bgeorget: Agreed. Dark Sector was a fun game with good gameplay mechanics. It was nowhere near the trash that kids make it out to be. That title is reserved for crap like Turning Point, Haze, Bullet Witch, Vampire Rain, and Hour Of Victory. Sure, the story in Dark Sector wasn't fleshed out enough, but everything else was solid. Jaded gamers these days, boy oh boy!

HaydenTenno

Hey! Extreme Pinball was actually quite good. The developers are obviously enamored with Williams-style tables, but the game has a rather remarkable physics model and 3 really good tables.

Its just that no one actually plays pinball.

Sigh.

moofrank

I don't understand why people are making alternative suggestions as to who they should work with? Ever think that it might have to do with resources? Availability? Heres a car analogy:

Wicko buys a 40k Lancer Evo X and shows his friends.

comment: LOL Y DIDNT U BUY PORSCHE ONLY 120K

wicko

@themaninthebox: oops, sent that before i wanted to - damn keyboard.

so yeah, Dark Sector could have been better, but that's not to say these guys aren't talented or are a bad development team

themaninthebox

why the hate for Digital Extremes? They've worked on a number of well-made games. They were co-developers for the original Unreal Tournament, and its 2003 and 2004 follow-ups.

themaninthebox

Hey guys whats this AA thing you keep talking about?

DeathBeforeDishonor

Who needs a glaive in Bioshock when it already has the superior Telekinesis and elemental plasmids and weapons?

kftgr

@jBusiness: As soon as you mentioned Ryan getting mopier, I thought of a Big Daddy with an emo-cut. As sad as that may be, it makes me chuckle.

kosbee

Ah, Bioshock. I still remember when there was a logo emblazoned on the box that said "Only on Xbox 360 and Windows." All lies.

Does Not Equal

Hey Crecente, why was Dark Sector "mediocre?"

360Witz

@TheGuero: Nope. I loved Dark Sector. One of my favorite games.

360Witz

Am I the only one that thinks this is good news? Dark Sector was a beautiful game.

AZRoboto

Dark sector is a wierd little game for me.

Its average to the extreme in a lot of areas,has one of the worst most incoherant storylines Iv ever seen in a videogame and its got a wierdly designed main character (is he emo?is he badass?What is he!) yet somehow,all these things are completely forgotten about when you glave five people in half with a single throw.

Tom Clancy's Samuraidino

Extreme Pinball was the best video pinball game ever made (and 2nd to that, Epic Pinball). I wish they would make a followup that is Vista friendly...

MooYork

Hey Crescente- in what way was Pariah mediocre? It had an interesting (though not too original) story, a fresher look on progressive weapon upgrades, and a pretty good map editor + drop in seamless co-op to boot. It may not have been the greatest game, but it had some technical and design achievements that I wouldn't call mediocre at all.

Jayge

Don't expect bioshock on ps3 to do so well. Sloppy seconds on ps3?

ohhello

I don't mind. I had fun with Dark Sector. (Glaive FTW)

Amazon_Chris

@ohhello: Really? Why is that? It'll do fine.

Amazon_Chris

@GordieHoweHatTrick: you didn't know they were here in london? everybody and their mother around here were invited to beta test dark sector... I even know a few people that got invited to the launch party (almost exclusively people who worked at EB, but still...

kathartik

I enjoyed the Demo of Dark Sector. Granted I didn't buy it but if I saw it on sale I'd probably pick it up.

NickyJ

Dark Sector was like Gears of War with Zelda elements and a sweet glaive thing. I thought it was sweet. Story wasn't amazing, but better than a lot of them. I enjoyed it. Played through the harder difficulty with a friend too.

serotoninzero

Just going by reviews, one could say that Digital Extremes might not help give BioShock the treatment it deserves. I hope they do well, but if they don't, then I can only hope that whatever new content is developed will be available for the 360 version at some later time.

Altersparck

The Ps3 is this generation's Saturn.

maniacmayhem

@Altersparck: Digital Extemes knows what they're doing. The Sector Engine shows that.

HaydenTenno

Yeah, Bioshock wasn't mediocre at all: It featured rehashed FPS combat with new fangled 'special abilities' and lots of 'Press A to get cash from the drawer'.

However could the developers of a third-person combat system rivaling that of Gears of War and RE4, combined with a superior and more integrated version of Heavenly Sword's aftertouch controls and an expertly implemented learning and upgrade curve?

Oh yeah! They could help them craft a game onto that story of theirs!

Having 'one of those days' or what Crecente? Maybe I'm missing the sly journo humour, but I'd hate to see someone such as yourself hop on the hate bandwagon for a game that did nothing but deliver on all of its promises. And with all of its promises being to combine three AAA titles into one new game, that's a tall order. And they delivered.

And what was wrong with UT 2003 back in 2003? Were you busy playing another arena shooter? I know a lot of developers who would have loved to have worked on a UT title.

Snake726

So, anyone wants to take bets as to whether Schmalz sent out an internal memo telling staff to comment here in support of DE? It's amusingly odd to see such an outpouring of Genuine Fan Support for a studio which is infamous for rather unremarkable titles.

Calhoun

I guess this puts the final nail in the coffin of "The devs are just lazy on PS3" excuse. Several studios + Sony support to port a game? Doesn't sound lazy to me.

ElPadre

i liked Dark Sector.
but i love Bioshock...

they're just optimizing it, so who cares. they can't really screw that game up.

kevinl

@kevinl: I too liked Dark Sector. The graphics didn't hurt, and the glaive was very fun. Though I wish they had stuck with the original concept from the video a couple of years back.

artofwar420

@Fangeh: Where's their office?

DukeOfPwn

@HaydenTenno: but is Digital Extremes flexing their graphical muscle that is all built up or their level design muscle that is flabbier than a six year old bully's bicep?

Kite83

They should add in a glaive plasmid. And it's not like they're changing the level designs, so calm down.

Placentasaurus