@Bookburner: while were talking about random shit, if all music sounded like bjork for a while, id be surprisingly ok with that.

TheIrishNinja

@GTA4er: You can say that with a straight face after Sony just unveiled. . . Trophies!?

Look, if no one copied or took what others did and made it their own the world would be a boring shitty place.

There would be only shitty music by Bjork for one thing. . . Who wants that? Let people take ideas and make them own or better. It's okay. It's the creative process and it benefits us.

Bookburner

Its like Nintendo knows it has hardcore fans, but could care less about what they want. Quit rehashing same old Zelda, which really needs an evolution if you ask me, and bring back the old franchises. If Square-Enix can bring back Crono Trigger, Nintendo can bring back EarthBound.

Lil'Zay

@Lil'Zay:

Absolutely.

Darth_Xehanort

@GTA4er:

Please Die.

Anyways, I hope I win :D

kumuasata

@Krondonian:

Well, the awesome MAG announcement was pretty surprising.

Darth_Xehanort

@Thrizar:
I agree with you on Avatars, but Home was in development back in the PS2 days, and plus its nothing like the Miis, self-customization is just part of Home.

Lil'Zay

@Thrizar: it saddens me to indulge this kinda talk here, but...home, its been said it derived from second life and such, but you're really saying it comes from miis? really? that's an odd argument.

TheIrishNinja

I wonder why people are taking it so personally that Microsoft introduced features that are similar to the competition. Especially when we all know neither Sony or Nintendo is averse to the same type of shenanigans.

You can almost feel the seething fanboy hate.

1cesc

@GTA4er: How about trophies and movie downloads. That's quite a bit of copying no?

jmill87

Microsoft didn't announce ANY exclusives. But no that's okay let's call it the best one and make M.A.G. jokes. I didn't think Nintendo would give us the shaft, but I guess we gotta depend on third parties now.

Lil'Zay

face it, if the whole Mii's thing with Wii hadn't been around Home and the Msoft avatars wouldnt exist.

plain and simple

Thrizar

haha, you guys were pretty on this year. where's the list of ones that didnt come true, though?

TheIrishNinja

@GTA4er: Everyone copies everyone else, especially if 'everyone else' is Nintendo.

--

I thought you did pretty well with the predictions, although it seems that FFXIII aside, there wasn't anything to be surprised about.

Krondonian

*vomit all around*

Kamesen

I don't think Pete Townshend made a mistake. I think it was a joke. Then again I wasn't there and only have what kotaku wrote up about what he said.

Kaname14

@GTA4er:

Agreed.

Darth_Xehanort

i think we can all agree that this year E3 sux!

or did it??!?!?

FullyShadow

Avatars, in general, have been around a lot longer than Miis have!

WorldDude

@GTA4er:

First comment and its company bashing already. Please, give it a break for one thread.

Communist_Gamer

Meh, Microsoft copied so much stuff. Miis, XMB interface, etc. Any original ideas?

GTA4er

@GTA4er: What the...? You do realise Nintendo did not invent avatars right? And I hope you're aware there are only so many ways of navigating a menu screen? XMB is not as original as you think it is.

Besides who cares if anyone took an idea and changed it for better or worse. It does not effect the games on the consoles. In other words, what matters.

Refused

@GTA4er:

Poor, poor Sony fanboy. Does it upset you that your console is selling so poorly?

Haha. I know for a fact the above will get a rise out of you, which is why I post it. Because it's the pot calling the kettle black.

1cesc

@GTA4er: 'Assumptious'? Heh.

tsathoggua

@FullyShadow: Agree

Daisuash

I didn't mind what Sony or Microsoft did. Nintendo . . . bleck.

[www.escapistmagazine.com]

Yahtzee's POV of E3. *Clap* *Clap* OI!

RtFusion

You know, I'm surprised at all the comparisons of the new 360 interface to Cover Flow. Has nobody seen Flip 3D in Vista? Granted in Vista it actually is set up in the opposite direction, but minor point aside that's what I instantly thought of upon seeing the new interface.

SPhil64

@TheIrishNinja:
i meant that if Nintendo never made their avatars, Msoft and Sony wouldnt have made it either. but thats one of the many catches of the video game industry, if were gonna fight over who copies what. then we'd all be stuck in 1980's where if they had a driving game, you cant make another.

and i was trying to imply that im not a fanboy just trying to bash msoft. saying that msoft copied nintendo would get more flaming at me then saying msoft and sony copied nintendo. am i correct?

Thrizar

@Communist_Gamer: At least what he said added something. Bashing bashers creates the most boring and unoriginal comments of them all.

icegoat

WOW! Is this site run by Microsoft fanboys or something? Jeez, look at them react to a simple post. You guys seriously need to see a physciatrist if you support a company like Microsoft so strongly...

...poor fanboys... poor, poor assumptious M$ fanboys

GTA4er

@Bookburner: Only difference I've seen between Sony stealing and MS stealing is that Sony did it by consumer feedback.

How many people were begging MS for You're in the Movies and Avatars?

mfwahwah

@GTA4er: How about LIVE? A subscription-based network that is by far the best network on any platform that brings in tons of money for Microsoft. (I'm trying not to be a fanboy, that's just my honest opinion)

...Or the RRoD.

sarcasmOD

Still no Kid Icarus. Damnit Nintendo!

I could have won the poll :(

yashichi8bit

There was little to no chance Kid Icarus was ever making it to E3. Even assuming Nintendo gave it the green light, it simply wasn't enough time to make any kind of a presentation, that's all there is to it.

StarStabbedMoon

@GTA4er: obviously Home is a completely new, crazy concept. In-game XMB too. And trophies - what a twist! Not to mention that SingStar isn't whole year younger than Karaoke Revolution.

@Michael McWhertor: there were around 5 predictions per editor IIRC. With only 7 hits total it seems to be worse than a year before. Guys, I'm disappointed.

Kro

@Communist_Gamer: Pointing out that microsoft is a company that produces trash and has never pushed an original product in its history is not "company" bashing. And even if it were, what's wrong with bashing a company that has produced so many inferior products while strangling the market so that no one else could even get their toe in the door? A practice they are trying (and failing at so far, thankfully) to extend and replicate in the video game market.

Maybe you should try changing your name to fascist_gamer, because that's what you sound like.

stfufools

@GTA4er: Have you ever used Windows Media Center? No? Well my good man, you should check it out. It seem to fit the XMB desceiption before there was ever XMB. It seems Microsoft decided to use a menu that they had already put to use in another of their very own software. I would rather support a company that donates more than 1 billion dollars U.S. to charity anually than one that doesn't give at all. Then again, since I am an anti-capitalist vegan protester of all things corrupt, I don't support any large corporation, Sony and Nintendo included. The only problem with all of that is I do collect video games so I must hold my tongue. Fanboy doesn't come into it when you have to deal with stupidity.

Cochese

So what happened to the contest? Are we just forgetting about that or what? I want to know who the winners are.

CarbonFalcon

@icegoat:

And you're "bashing a basher", thus your arguement does not work. Come on, give me a break.

Communist_Gamer

@RtFusion: haha, thanks for that.

@1cesc: @GTA4er: @everyone else in this vein: please stop, you're making my favorite hobby so lame.

cant we just do this? cut & paste this from now on:

"no, my console's better than your shitty console 'cause its the one i bought. i hope it gets all the games yours has plus better ones on mine. that is all."

seriously. just post that, or uh, SEGA DOEST WHAT NINTENDONT. at least then it'd be cool.

TheIrishNinja

@GTA4er:
Pitiful. Could you even attempt to be any less biased? Everyone copies everyone else, fact. Way to fail at PR spin.

SpishackCola

@GTA4er: To be fair, if it works, why not copy it. They take something, improve it, put it back out. The next person polishes it more, does the same. I'm all for other companies looking outside to see what's popular.

MustyBuckets

@Mr.Monkey: lol That's about the right analogy for the amount of preparation and work each of the three console producers put into E3. I had a good chuckle, thanks. :)

Omnimon

God... how is the new Live! anything like XMB? It has menus and sub menus then the XMB is the same as the blades if you say the blades are menus that have sub menus... it works more like Windows Media Center anyway and closely resembles Vista's 3D windows switching interface.

Cueil

I can't believe how unoriginal people are these days! I mean, Xbox 360? PlayStation 3? Wii? COME ON! These are all blatant rip-offs of the Atari 2600. They don't even hide the fact that they're game consoles, just like Atari. Completely shameless! Ever since Colecovision... nothing but injustice. >:(

...Anyway, I'd love to win the betting pool, but I only barely squeaked in with the "awkward celebrity walk-on". Oh well. As they pointed out, E3 didn't give us much to work with this year.

17-A

Don Mattrick did have a tattoo, but it was still scabby, and thats why the Bungie announcement was canned
FACT

Mr.Monkey

Don't be a fanboy and OWN THEM ALL! Or wait, would I now be considered a Pokemon rip-off... hmmm...

Omnimon

When the hell did fanboy become such a negative word? It used to be a term of pride for me and my friends. We weren't geeks who read comics books and endlessly replayed The Matrix; we were fanboys.

Thorax

DJ Ravi Drums had to have been my favorite part of the entirety of E3. Aside from the FFXIII bombshell. Probably even above and beyond it.

antialias02

@GTA4er: One more thing; Sony didn't invent XMB. The cross media bar was used as the Windows Media Center interface before the PSP and PS3 were made.

[upload.wikimedia.org]

Look familiar?

josh924

@Thorax: Fanboy has always been a negative term, similar to geek or the Japanese otaku. Or being fat. Just because there are people who say "I am proud to be fat" doesn't change that.

All of them (... excluding fat ...) mean a person who is extremely obsessed with something, which never is a good thing. For otaku and geek even the word origins show the negative connotation.

Finally, I consider myself being to old to be called boy, but that might be personal preference ....

develin

@GTA4er: How else did you expect people to react to such flamebait? Were you expecting a cookie, perhaps?

By the way, Nintendo didn't invent avatars or motion sensing controls, and Sony didn't invent trophies or Second Life...or movie rentals...or motion controls.

josh924

@GTA4er: Here's the thing about that. Microsoft never said it was original. They admit fully that they are taking ideas from others and trying to implement them in their own way. So far they have been doing everything to fix their wrongs and doing what's needed to make their service more susceptible to the casual crowd while pleasing the hardcore.

NightMystic

Quite interesting that just now the same old arguments come up. By now even the stupidest idiot should have noticed that all ideas that are common in current gen, were at latest already developed in last gen (even though usually with less success)

- Online Multiplayer - PC online play, Sega DC
- Online games store (e.g. XBLA, PSN, WiiWare, Virtual Console) - Sega channel, Real Arcade
- motion control -trillions of devices over the last 20 years including Nintendo Powerglove and Microsoft Sidewinder devices

You might not have noticed but no matter which console you choose, all of them are mainstream (as in intended to make money) which means that there can hardly be experimental hardware. Experimental would be something like controlling it via eye movements. So per definition everybody copies everyone else - there is even a name for that: Best practices.

develin

@GTA4er: And another one is jealous because they know Microsoft will make it better.

Murderdolls

@TheIrishNinja: Here's me, sitting here trying to think of what to say and then you do my work for me. I tip my hat to you, good sir.

@EVERYONE: no, my console's better than your shitty console 'cause its the one i bought. i hope it gets all the games yours has plus better ones on mine. that is all.

MentalNote

@Thorax: heh, its funny, right? in comics, its cool to be a fanboy (thank you, kevin smith). just not in games.

@yashichi8bit: it was close! but i hear it got canceled (as an announcement) right before the show.

TheIrishNinja

@SPhil64 thats because nobody else is crazy enough to own Vista ;-)

Monkey Majiks

@GTA4er: Ever heard of WMC? Sony copying Microsoft more like it. Get your facts straight next time mr.basher sir.

Eon

After reading this thread of comments I wonder if anyone actually ever feels like they are winning these arguments...

kwicherbichin

Once more for good measure, I'm going to complain about missing the betting pool because I had a question via email that didn't get answered. Your rules are strict about not screwing up the bets, so I wanted to be sure I had it right! Please check your email when you have deadlines like that, never know who's trying to participate and doesn't want to blow it :(

Norellicus

Once again, Pete was joking, stop thinking you're right Kotaku.

TheAbsoluteJay

@GTA4er: Absolutely - please could all console manufacturers copy the best bits out of other consoles (so long as it doesn't ruin their own system). Get with the copying! Pronto! kthxbye.

@original post: Are we going to find out how much you'd be out of pocket or winning if you had put $1 on all of the bets at the odds you quoted?

quen

people addressing gta4er sound like fanboys

mrpeepants

There was so much leaked information leading up the E3, there was really nothing to be excited about. The FF was probably the biggest of the announcements but other than this, a lackluster show. hit the snooze button on this tired affair.

Alicia