EA's Steve Schnur Explains The Hype Behind The Madden Soundtrack
EA seems to want to make it clear that the announcement of Madden 09's official soundtrack is an event, and music boss Steve Schnur told Kotaku about a few more promotions to drive the point home: First, Target's pre-order bonus for the game will be an iTunes card that lets you download ten of the soundtrack songs free. Second, an artist from the soundtrack will be playing nightly on the Jimmy Kimmel Show beginning August 4th, and third, both past and current Madden artists will play at the first-ever "Maddenpalooza," an all-day music and gaming event in conjunction with the Rose Bowl in Pasadena on August 11th.
We were curious: why is this massive music promotion for Madden such a huge deal to EA? It seems perplexing at first to see a publisher throw so much muscle behind a soundtrack. But it turns out there's a rather sensible motivation behind it that seems to be a win-win for EA, music artists, and for the gaming audience (or would that be a win-win-win?)
Hit the jump for Kotaku's full interview with Schnur:
Schnur admits that licenced music in games is subjective, and often a contentious topic. "I do remember seeing a blog once where somebody accused me of 'doing it wrong' in Madden a couple of years ago because we didn't have any Miles Davis in there", he said.
"It was just one guy, but his comment stood in my head... I don't know how many bodies I want to crush on the football field while listening to smooth jazz. My point is, you can't please everyone".
Discovering new music is something that all people generally enjoy, said Schnur; it's not especially particular to gamers. "But the problem in the last ten years specifically is that radio and music television have failed kids", he said.
Schnur recalled an era that you don't have to be very aged to look back on — a time when fans of certain musical genres or artists would unite under the banner of a favourite radio station and wear its bumper sticker on their cars. But radio is much more genre-restricted now and circulates the same careful list of top hits, making the days of radio and music television as the primary means of music discovery largely obsolete.
"The consolidation of radio has ensured that the music that I grew up with would never be able to be discovered in 2008, because radio plays the same 20 songs across America", he said.
"So how do people discover music, or the new coolest band? Through the places where they spend time, and that's online and playing games. So we decided to take that simple thought process of bringing new bands, new songs, to where kids were".
In that way, Schnur hopes games can become a new music discovery tool for today's audiences. Many gamers, he said, have become turned on to a new artist by enjoying their level in a game like Rock Band or Guitar Hero, or by developing a positive association with it through Madden.
An added benefit to introducing music through games is that it removes the genre-bound context of radio. "We believe that hip-hop, rock, other forms of music... there's no reason to put up walls between them. Hip-hop artists love rock songs because of Madden and vice versa, when we don't hear them separated out on the dial".
Granted, Schnur doesn't expect gamers will like every song that makes a soundtrack. "If there are 30 songs in Madden, we're not going to bat a thousand, because obviously it's subjective. But the goal was that after you played Madden in 2004, 2006, 2009... 3 months later when you hear that Trivium song, you're gonna go, 'Oh, Madden'".
See where the 'win' for EA comes in?
And it goes a bit further — what if, by earning the fealty of young people's tastes through the connection to popular music, sports games could actually influence the aesthetic of real-world sports? Schnur said that in Madden's early days some players complained that there were too few traditional AC/DC or Gary Glitter-style "stadium songs" on the soundtrack like you'd hear at a real football game.
"Now, we have stadiums from Foxboro to Oakland playing the music of Madden", said Schnur. "Because what they've learned is that younger people get into sports initially through the virtual experience of playing games". Whereas ten years ago kids' primary intro to sports would be playing out in the street, today the sports video game is a significant part of many kids' diet, and the real world is now tasked with keeping up.
It becomes somewhat of a virtuous cycle, said Schnur, in which new music can use games to reach its audience better, games can use licenced music to richen the experience of games, and in a sports title, it completes the loop of an overall cultural experience, because sports are also participatory events in which music plays a role.
So what determined the songs that made it onto the recently-revealed Madden soundtrack? Schnur said it took two colleagues and himself from January and May to distill the final list down from 4,000 possible candidates.
"What a song has to do is, it has to serve the game - in the case of Madden, get you pumped up. We have to... see how it fits within the game, and if that band could potentially have an impact on people going forward". The latter refers to a timing issue, he said, in that he seeks out bands on a rising career arc or with a chance for wider success in whatever the present climate happens to be, rather than picking songs that were popular years ago.
And the artist, Schnur said, will have gotten 1 billion impressions from its turn in the game, more than it would have had on the radio. Gamers are happy to discover a new favourite song, and that benefits the artists, too, in obvious ways.
"Some of the bands may never get on the radio. But some might just change your life, musically speaking; you might end up buying tickets to one of their concerts in the future".
And when you're at that life-changing concert, you'll have Madden in mind, which has got to work out well for EA. Win-win-win.



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^music you don't like
MysteryPersonX
@reno84: This.
I mean, heaven forbid the music in a video game actually appeals to the target audience it's aimed at. It doesn't look like many of the commenters here actually play the Madden games anyway.
@seafisch: "I understand that "music I don't like" does not equal "shi**y music" but there are a lot of popular bands that, from a purely objective standpoint, are crap"
Uh... what? You clearly don't understand that "music you like" does not equal "shitty music". If you think there's any such thing as objectively crap music (especially in reference to a band that a million people love), the only conclusion to be drawn is that you think your opinion is objective truth. Alas, it is not.
MysteryPersonX
I suppose EA feels the need to target the widest possible audience with the soundtrack for their biggest franchise, but the whole "one million [name of band or music genre] fans can't be wrong" argument fails miserably. I understand that "music I don't like" does not equal "shi**y music" but there are a lot of popular bands that, from a purely objective standpoint, are crap, and giving those bands the added exposure of being on the Madden soundtrack only perpetuates the success they don't deserve.
seafisch
Right.
But whyyyyyyyyyy should I give a shit?
Snake726
The soundtrack may have some new tunes but why should hardcore gamers who don't even buy Madden give a shit?
Fireblast
Whatever you think of the guy, his point about games being a medium to be reckoned with in terms of music distribution is pretty undeniable.
"And the artist, Schnur said, will have gotten 1 billion impressions from its turn in the game, more than it would have had on the radio. Gamers are happy to discover a new favorite song, and that benefits the artists, too, in obvious ways."
I was absolutely haunted by Michael Hunter's Soviet Connection in GTA4 for about a month.
I never would of heard of the guy if it wasn't for the game.
IamNotToddDavis
That guy looks shockingly like Lewis Black.
If it wasn't for that horse, I never would've spent that year in college.
Strangelove
People... please find your own soundtrack-worthy songs, and don't just listen to what EA wants you to.
waitinthecar
@Jayl3w: SSX Tricky was incredible. It's one of my favorite games, and that's saying something considering how much I really do not enjoy sports games. In my opinion, it's the best SSX in the 5-game series. I hated the three that followed.
Murgatron
I always uncheck the random noise generators pushed by EA to the frat boys and hoodlums, and go with the tried and true Sam Spence. This is supposed to be football, dammit, not a parade of perpetual rap/alternarock opening acts.
Devster
I don't play Madden (how is it football if no one ever kicks it?) but I have discovered quite a few bands through the FIFA franchise - Scissor Sisters, Bloc Party, Maximo Park, and more.
And although I'm a fan of coldcut anyway, seeing people say in the Youtube comments to
>True Skool about people wanting to play FIFA Street 2 indicates that EA's policy as it relates to games ans music is working to some extent.FunkyJ
an irritating array of recording artists.
Merciful Lord please make Tecmo Bowl successful.
Beximus
@Ruisu:
I didnt bother with last years Madden ... cause of these very reasons...
But early previews have sounded promising for this, saying the graphics had a nice overhaul and look way more "next-gen" with much better lighting, and non-scripted animations and tackles. And the gameplay is much improved as well.
We will see of course.
EnigmaNemesis
Urgh, I hate the way any mention of game soundtracks result in "my musical tastes are better than yours!" high horse posts. You dislike the soundtrack of Madden and/or any other EA game. Fantastic. Realise that the reason they still use the same sort of soundtracks as they do is because the vast majority of people disagree.
EA are hardly gonna chuck on some or or whatever it is you prefer to listen to. And you know what? Even when they DO put on such songs, you all still crucify them for picking some "sell-out" groups or trying too hard to be cool. If their soundtracks leave you cold or you're too narrow minded to give anything outside your little genre tastes a shot then chuck on a custom soundtrack or crank up your stereo.
Ahem. Anyway this wasn't targeted at anyone in particular, I just get really frustrated when people try and dictate what is good and what is not good in music. Here's the thing folks - it's (almost) entirely subjective.
reno84
@dry-roasted-peanuts:
Hey, Blitz: The League II is supposed to bring back the late hits. That should count for something. ^_^
twinturbo2
its Madden wont be buying it till 2012.
I buy it every 4 years to see if there are some major improvements and most of the time there aren't any
Ruisu
I haven't played that many EA games since they started using licensed stuff, but FIFA 07 had the best licensed soundtrack I've ever heard. hell, if it wasn't for FIFA 07 I probably wouldn't know Muse. I'd be lying if I disagreed about discovering new bands through games. and that's since Tony Hawk's.
salaminizer
Isn't that dude in the picture David from Stella?
GusherKid
@wild homes gets retconned!: You know, it was one of those instances where I was all "I have too much free time on my hands these days" and life was all "oh shit bitch you didn't just say that" and consequently decided to dump a whole bunch of work on my lap whilst cackling madly. Such is life for a freelancer, I suppose.
But yeah, I totally read that that article a few days ago, thinking, "I would've had many interesting things to add to this discourse." Shame I was a week behind.
JustThisGuy
@HT Tenrai: yeah, i've discovered some good bands and artists through video game soundtracks
meltyman
Madden fans are the type to buy the same game for 5 years running and pay retail for a roster update. They're scared of quality and change. Therefore, you obviously saddle the game with redundant rock Top 40 rock music that sounds just like last year's Top 40 rock. Easy sleazy, I wish I got paid to do something so obvious.
Noris159
Maddenpalooza? Jesus tap dancing Christ, EA. YOU HAVE A REAL MUSIC GAME. MARKET THAT.
Archaotic
If his list of Madden music didn't include the latest of the bunch from MTV, I might have given this guy a shred of credibility. Madden has nothing to do with "launching" carrers. These people were getting radio play and MTV time long before EA ever stepped in. Taking credit for launching their careers is laughable at best. But, he does work for EA and jackassery seems to be corporate mandate over there.
Shabadage
You know, I have to hand it to them. They know what they're doing. The wall between me and EA crumbles one pebble at a time...
HT Tenrai
@jollydwarf: 'backwards baseball cap-wearing' mooks and frat fucks.
*wipes tear from eye*
That's a perfect description. Beautiful.
Evil Tortie's Mom
If only they put the effort into making the game better instead of trying to pick songs for the soundtrack. But when you have the only NFL game in town, why bother?
[www.gamecareerguide.com] is a link to another interview with this chode. Big surprise he started off as an intern at MTv. He also lists several of the 'bands' which were propelled to stardom because of EA games. In addition to making Avril Lavigne huge in Europe, he credits games for helping this list: Robyn, Mando Diao, Arctic Monkeys, Klaxons, Bloc Party, LCD Soundsystem, DĂșnĂ©, Tribalista, Go Team, Bullet for My Valentine, The Caesars, Kasabian, Lupe Fiasco, MIA, Wolfmother, Hawthorne Heights. I know these are all on my iPod, how about yours?
In my time at EA, I dealt with the music licensing people plenty of times. They tried forcing Daddy Yankee on me for months because they were on the verge of being huge. While sometimes helpful, their fanatical pushing of shitbox artists was annoying as hell and seemed to border on payola at times.
Trust me, I'm a doctor
@JustThisGuy: Hooray! Where have you been? Did you see the comment I left on your page? Did you see the article?
wild homes gets retconned!
@egosub2: When I try to edit out snark, I get ungrammatical:
So we have in charge of music a guy who think Miles Davis is smooth jazz.
egosub2
1). I would personally love to bust some heads to Kind of Blue. There's a strange sort of zen achieved by pairing inappropriate music with acts of extravagant violence. See: The Killer, Hard Boiled.
2). Anyone who refers to Davis as "smooth jazz" needs to get his head kicked in. Preferably by a burly squad of football players. Preferably by the Oakland Raiders' offensive line circa '72-'78.
3). See above.
4). See: wild homes gets retconned!.
That is all.
JustThisGuy
So we have a guy who think Miles Davis is smooth jazz doing in charge of music. That makes me a sad panda.
And you can't do anything *in conjunction with* the Rose Bowl in August, for the same reason that you can't play Madden '09 *at the same time as* your sofa.
egosub2
I agree, radio and music videos for promotion are dead. I find out about all new music from blogs, forums, video games like Rock Band, Guitar Hero and hell, even NHL 08.
kylo4
I think EA is hoping this new soundtrack will be enough to distract players from realizing they're just playing the same damn football game year after year.
Ramistat
Looking at the soundtrack list, I'll once again be 'unchecking' every single one of those songs.
Madden + shitty frat-rock + Jimmy Kimmel's lameass show = pinnacle of entertainment for 'backwards baseball cap-wearing' mooks and frat fucks.*
I don't hate sports at all, as a matter of fact I really enjoy all the major team sports, but why do so many athletes and sports fans love the shittiest music? You don't really need to be 'intelligent' to have good music resonate with you...I THINK. I think it comes down to EA and ESPN and their ilk stripping any sort of true edge or soul out of the music choices they make, so as not to piss off the ultra-square reactionary types that they have determined are a major chunk of their consumer/viewer base.
Look, I'm not expecting "In Rainbows" or some J-pop for a gridiron game, but surely you can do (exponentially) better, EA. The guitar games get it right time and time again. Or is this just some misguided promotional 'synergy' for shite bands? I think I know the answer already.
*--Not all people in fraternities are "frat fucks", but just about all conformist fucks on a campus are in frats. Just so we're clear there.
jollydwarf
This isn't an event! I'll tell you what an event is. An event would be if a bug-free Madden was released this year. Now That's what I would call an EVENT!
NeVeRMoRe666
@heyyywrestler: The orchestrated music is the score, not the soundtrack though. Right?
mind in rewind
Maddenpalooza. I dont really have a comment about that.
TakuFangirl
He does have a point with getting to know new bands. I've found myself enjoying bands from Guitar Hero, Rock Band, and yes, even Madden in the past. Bands I had never heard of that made me go, "You know what. This song is pretty damn good."
sbrumm1983
This guy's brilliant! I hear the same damn songs on the radio every day; in fact, I write down times for certain songs when they come on, tune in at that exact same time, and there's the song again! It's always good to find new bands. Rock Band introduced me to The Police, and months later, I was at their reunion tour!
DukeOfPwn
@chuffhoncho:
They put some of the pop bands on the soundtrack to please the masses, but there were a lot of unknowns to lesser knowns that I learned to like in the last soundtracks [IE Anti-Flag, Damone, Papoose [not unknown, but it got me interested], Nine Black Alps, HELLYEAH]
@mind in rewind:
Wrong.
Personally, I like to listen to the orchestrated music.
heyyywrestler
First, standardised game soundtracks are irrelevant.
Yeah, none of what he says is surprising, but then he says, the problem in the last ten years specifically is that radio and music television have failed kids, like this year's Madden soundtrack isn't promoting bands you see on MTV and hear on the radio.
This isn't the pot calling the kettle black. This is the pot calling itself black.
wild homes gets retconned!
@slomo788: damn right. I agree. While, I wouldn't mind hearing the Busta and Linkin up mash up, it gets old after like 50 times.
Mmmm, I think I have admitted that i will get Madden. This will be the first one in 3 years. Hope I'm not rusty.
Jun581 likes street fighter 2 but he hates zangeif
That's the most radical soundboard I've ever seen.
Mit
Know what I miss? NFL Blitz.
+ Watch video
Good times...
dry-roasted-peanuts
@FrigidAir44: exactly. people seem to forget about bands getting higher sales from featuring in Guitar Hero
excel_excel
The soundtrack to EA games is awesome!
Well, I mean, if you're playing a version that allows for custom soundtracks, that is. The default stuff they ztick you with is absolutely abhorrable.
Whats that? Abhorrable isn't a word, and the custom soundtracks I use mean the EA soundtrack every year is total garbage?
Oh.
Komrade_Kayce
The hype?
Schoolimangooli the doogie mag goosie!
"The consolidation of radio has ensured that the music that I grew up with would never be able to be discovered in 2008, because radio plays the same 20 songs across America,"
So you put those 20 songs on Madden and that helps how?
chuffhoncho
This soundtrack is utter garbage just like every Madden soundtrack. Franz Ferdinand is on it again!
Sollus
From what I understand, the madden soundtrack has been none to push relatively unknown bands into super stardom.
I forget the article, but it's true.
The game is seen and played by so many that the bands can do no wrong with being put on that game. And giving away free itunes songs for pre-orders can only do the bands in the games even more favors.
Win win for both the bands and EA.
FrigidAir44
@Jayl3w: ssx tricky was great! thoroughly unrealistic and enjoyable. I think my last sports game was one of the tony hawks.
dArk_stAr
I get what he is trying to do, but I don't know if those songs/artists are the ones to do it. Overall a good vision from the guy, at least. He's not simply trying to force the same crap down our throats as the radio.
Lazlo
Bu bu but, the soundtrack is terrible.
mind in rewind
How will this be any different from Jock Jams?
TaggarT6
All I know is they better allow custom soundtracks on PS3. Even during matches. I don't know if the official soundtrack kicks ass but even if it does, it will get old pretty fast.
slomo788
Oh... uh... hype, eh? New Madden?
Y'don't say, well I never...
I guess I just don't follow the whole sports game thing, yeah I see the value in them and the opportunity to whoop anyone in a game is appealing, but I don't think I've bought a sports game since SSX Tricky.
Jayl3w