Dammit, I forgot one thing:

NO MORE FRIEND CODES! Dumbest crap ever.

Amazon_Chris

Also, remember a lot of those games that were supposed to come out a launch but apparently got canceled? Those looked really good.

Amazon_Chris

@phinehas: A men. For instance. There are five games I would buy a Wii for (if I could find the damn thing in stores.I would go Ebay, but I don't feel like spending $300+ JUST for the machine):

Zack and Wiki
LOZ
No More Heroes
Brawl
Mario KArt

Amazon_Chris

@Highlander Wolf: I hope it comes out soon. It seems like one of the few ems in this sea of crappy clones this gen. So far, the original games I can think of are:

Zack and Wiki
Brutal Legend
Hell. I'll through Heavenly Sword in there since I was wowed by the time they spent on the story.

Amazon_Chris

@Amazon_Chris: Galaxy, Zack & Wiki, LoZ, too. Whether one likes them or not does not necessarily make them "not hardcore" (I hate that term). I think the Wii could be just as much for hardcore gamers as anything else. Just depends on how hardcore people play the games for it.

And sure, there's no denying that both the Wii and the DS are home to a bunch of junk games. It's the weeding through that junk to find a true gem that's the most important thing.

phinehas

Anyway, there is a reason MOST Wii owners also own a 360 or a PS3 these days.

Tarutaru_Pantsu

@Amazon_Chris:
Brutal Legend might be quite late.

Highlander Wolf

@Amazon_Chris: I was agreeing with you. The last part of my comment was sort of directed to the people buying Purr Pals. Sorry for the confusion.

Tarutaru_Pantsu

@dionion: "being" not "buying", sorry. Where's that edit button Kotaku?

dionion

@ Brian Ashcraft: MMmmmmhhhh...let me guess why this is like it is? Maybe the price difference between this two consoles is a little bit to high to be compared? And even a game like MGS can´t change anything. All the poeple who wanted to buy MGS4 with or without a console bought it. And now were back to normal. The Wii is much cheaper and it´s more like a party/family console on the other hand the PS3 is a more single-player orientated console. So don´t compare - PLEASE!?

M.C.-Action

@shrek187: The PS3 and 360 I mean.

shrek187

@Tarutaru_Pantsu: I know, hence the second part of my post, which I shal post again:

The one thing I hate about this gen is that we have no original stuff at all like Psychonauts or something. When the crap does Brutal LEgend come out?

Amazon_Chris

@phinehas: I know you aren't implying that the Wii is for "hardcore gamers". The thing is choked full of casual games. It's not as bad as the DS on that front though (God damn you Nintendogs). The only games I can see as targeting a hardcore audience are Brawl and Mario Kart.

Amazon_Chris

@Amazon_Chris: I agree. Zack and Wiki was a great game. But if you notice, unlike most Wii games, it was original and made GOOD use of the Wii-mote.

Tarutaru_Pantsu

Isn't that the real competition?

shrek187

It's Japan. They 're buying the PSP like it's no tomorrow after ignoring it for 3 years so who knows what's going to happen.
I sure wish the Wii-mania ended however. I know that many gamers like it and it has a few good games but sometimes I feel that the wishes of the gaming audience are buying curb-stomped (Gears reference, thank you) by the Oprah-watching masses who buy Wii's only to get bored with them after 2 hours.

dionion

Can't wait for Super Mario Plumbing though ;)

Primebuster

@Zerbrechen: Nintendo forefeited the right to be considered a games company the day they decided to recreate real life in the living room. That also happened to be the day they created the Wii. And before anyone says 'Mario' - no, its not. Mario stopped being a game after Super Mario World on the SNES. Mario has now become the staple of Nintendo's income, he's their cash cow. I'm surprised Nintendo fans aren't outraged at the company's rediculous over-use of such an iconic character.

Primebuster

@Tarutaru_Pantsu: I like how all these people write about the Wii being the "plague of gaming", when they're probably writing within reaching distance of several of their favorite games, and probably many that they haven't even completed. I'm also willing to bet there are a good handful of games on the horizon that they're more than excited for.

I mean, come on. Gaming's not dead and never will be (until the single-console future).

Stop for a moment to think of why the Wii might be doing well and it should make perfect sense, whether anyone likes it or not:

1) Great advertising campaigns all across the world.
2) Mass market price = easier to buy
3) Games that put an emphasis on group play.
4) A handful of SOLID games that cater to the hardcore audience.
5) An open-arms approach to the blue ocean of untapped gamers.

I like games across all 3 consoles, but it's not hard to understand why the Wii is doing so well.

phinehas

I don't care but to me is you just can't have the Wii. You need a Wii or a PS3/360. But in my case a PS3. Sony should be more concerned with the Xbox rather than the Wii.

shrek187

I used to be a big time Nintendo fanboy, I even rooted bigtime Nintendo when the Wii was launched. But it saddens me to see Nintendo go back on top after a full decade (1996-2006) in such a cheap way. Besides Zelda, Mario, Metroid, Smash and No more heroes, almost every other game that has helped take Nintendo to the top doesnt deserve quarter of the sales something enormous and full of quality effort like MGS4, BioShock, Uncharted or Mass Effect truly should sell.

Alex_Mexico

@GogolGants:
My thoughts exactly.
(nominate for comment-of-the-week)

Highlander Wolf

@Tarutaru_Pantsu: Add one game to the list that I can play without asking why:

Zack and Wiki.

Surprisingly fun.

The one thing I hate about this gen is that we have no original stuff at all like Psychonauts or something. When the crap does Brutal LEgend come out?

Amazon_Chris

@GogolGants: Exactly!

Tarutaru_Pantsu

People argue about 360 and PS3 "fanboys" and say that they are closed minded individuals. I think that the majority of people that purchase a Wii are the most closed minded. Bare with me as I explain.

As someone who sells these products almost everyday I meet lots of people who want to purchase a Wii and most can't even tell me why they want it. The first question I ask them is "What do you want out of gaming?" and almost everyone replying with "I don't know...". I try to explain all three products in detail and what they offer in terms of gameplay and what they get for there money. But they won't listen to any of it and just want a Wii, with one person actually saying "But everyone has a Wii, surely that's the best console?". Most of them are parents and buying them for there teenage kids, I can almost certainly predict that they would be more happy with a PS3 or 360 than a Wii.

However, I do rejoice when I have explained the alternatives in gaming and they actually end up buying a 360 or a PS3, there is hope yet.

Sorry, rant over.

Firebreedpunk

@GogolGants: I agree with that.

Amazon_Chris

@Zerbrechen: It's not that no gamers play the Wii, it's that a lot of gamers that can only afford 1 system got tricked into getting the Wii and are stuck with nothing but Smash Bros Brawl Offline, Mario Kart Rehash, and shovelware now that shaking a Wii-mote is getting old and a tacked on game mechanic with no quality control from Nintendo.

Tarutaru_Pantsu

@Stevetrop: Cheese cake will do.

@Zerbrechen: NOTHING is as bad as the e-reader. That was the worst piece of trash that was ever made.

Amazon_Chris

+1 to D20 roll on multiplatform release.

GreyFoxV1

@Ungruntled: It's the culture we live in now. Films with great directors and stellar casts and brilliant screenplays fail dismally while a movie featuring 90 minutes of non-stop face-farting breaks box office records. Performers like Lil Wayne own mansions with diamond toilets while artists like Joanna Newsom struggle to make ends meet. Popular doesn't always equate to good.

GogolGants

@Ungruntled: I don't have a lot of Wii games, and I don't spend a lot of time playing those that I do have. However, I could say the same for the PS3. Actually I'd say there are more worthwhile Wii exclusives than PS3 exclusives right now. I do think that will change, but that's my opinion now. I wouldn't say that MGS4 is any more of an "actual, proper game of genius" than Super Mario Galaxy. They are completely different genres of course, but SMG is certainly the best platformer in a very long time. If you haven't played it or even if you've only played the first few levels, you have no idea what you're talking about when you discount the Wii of having any value or great games.

Spartan1308™

All of my middle aged friends that own a Wii own one game. And that is Wii sports of course.

juggy4805

@Tarutaru_Pantsu: Really? No gamers play the Wii?
How could you put it in the same league as the e-Reader?

Someone just sounds sour.

Zerbrechen

@Nirolak: MS has lost a bit of money as well, in large part due to the notorious R.R.O.D. And, they haven't quite been able to catch on in Japan. But yeah, they are making bank on their game library in America.

Highlander Wolf

@Highlander Wolf: Dreamcast is the one system where I loved almost EVERY game I played for it o_O;

Tarutaru_Pantsu

@Amazon_Chris: Damn I reckon I'm no winner. I'm not eating pound cake but I do have some cheese cake.

Stevetrop

@Highlander Wolf: May the Dreamcast rest in peace.

Amazon_Chris

@notoriousEIC: Playstation beat the N64 because Nintendo didn't support the CD-ROM format, and thusly lost the Final Fantasy Franchise... though you're right, the N64 hardware did seem to perform a lot better than the ol' PS1.

Lots of technically impressive systems have bit the dust over the years, in part because they didn't have the games that people wanted to play. Dreamcast, Saturn, Jaguar, Atari 7800...

Highlander Wolf

@Stevetrop: Yes. The following numbers win:

6456245
6246246
2457367
2457277

The $10000000 winner is:
2572576835246

But the real winner is you, but only if your eating a piece of pound cake.

Amazon_Chris

PS3 sales are still way above the 10000 unit mark where they were before MGS4. If they can be kept at 15000 units from now on I'd call it a pretty big step.

El-Suave

@dowingba: Yeah instead they charge us ridiculous prices for games that came out 10+ years ago. Its sad when a flash developer can sell a quality game cheaper than nintendo's old junk. I mean seriously, 8 bucks for a super nintendo game versus a game like defend your castle which is 5 bucks... Its like a ma and pa store somehow beating walmart price wise when we all know walmart has the means to make it cheaper.

Frey

lol, i seen a game advertised on TV today, something like WII BEACH PARTY or something. Its amazing how the Wii's games seem to try and take real life out of the equation and no one notices it, soon all these drones of people will be indoors at the beach, instead of outdoors at the beach.

Primebuster

@dowingba: The DS is the last bastion of hope to 80's gamers. (Hell, the 360 is too for LIVE arcade. Even the guys at Twin Galaxies have a 360 for Pacman CE, galaga, etc)

The Wii is a plague of the gaming world just like Nintendo's E-reader, virtual boy, GBA to GC cable, and other failed attempts, only it has survived thanks to elderly people and soccer moms hearing cute news stories about it.

But I do agree with you that DLC is getting out of hand.

Tarutaru_Pantsu

@phinehas: I like the DS. I wish I could find my copy of Maio Kart for it though. Damn thing is so small, it could be anywhere.

Amazon_Chris

@Amazon_Chris: While your at it can you also peer into this weeks lotto numbers too. I wouldn't mind you giving me some heads up info on what numbers to pick.

Stevetrop

@dowingba: I haven't played a Team Ninja game since DOA4, and that was a dissapointment. They were dead to me when they released a fan game for perverts called DOA Xtreme Beach Volleyball. There are three Wii games I can play without going "My God! Why the hell am I playing this?". That's: Brawl, Twilight Princess (I'd much rather play Ocarina), and Mario Kart. Out of all those, the only one that, to me, truly feels like a step forward was Brawl. To this day, I have not bought one piece of DLC on games. The only DLC I have are the free song packs for GH, and even then, I stick to the games unlockable songs more. What's more, I haven't trusted a review since like 04 when I realized that all reviews ae crap.

Amazon_Chris

Lots of original comments in this thread. I could have sworn all the butthurt commentry was a thing of the past, but I guess it still lives on in the hearts of some fanboys.

Green-clad Gamer Dude

Naysayers will be naysayers, but gaming is VERY much alive on my DS (among other systems).

phinehas

@Highlander Wolf: You do have to consider that Microsoft is still making money hand over fist on software sales this generation. Sure, their hardware install base may pale in comparison, but the people who own it (and a lot of people who own the PS3, but Sony's hardware losses negate its effect) keep buying games like no tomorrow.

Nirolak

@Highlander Wolf:
History repeats itself. The N64 was technically superior to the Playstation, but Sony won that round. The X-Box was technically superior to the PS2, but Sony won again. Now, Sony and MS both have technically superior consoles, and Nintendo is blowing them out.

notoriousEIC

@Amazon_Chris: Sigh. I know I'm not supposed to respond to people like you but... I just have to...

The Wii, despite all its shovelware, is the last bastion of hope to people who have been gamers since the 80s. It's the only console that isn't fleecing its users on DLC and ripping us off with broken auto-update-reliant games. When a tried-and-true AAA developer like Team Ninja can release a completely broken game (Dead or Alive 4) and still get good reviews simply based on the assumption that it will one day be fixed via automatic updates...that is the sign of gaming "dying". Or at least gamers dying a little big inside.

dowingba

Price point has always been a barrier to entry. MGS4 is darn good, but if the first hurdle to play the game is an expensive console, THEN an expensive game, it makes numbers like this more believable. At least for me.

Here's to hoping that the one thing everyone learns from Nintendo next generation is that things are too expensive.

phinehas

@Stevetrop: I know. Lemme peer into the future. I predict that, tomorrow, not today, but tomorrow, something drastic shall happen t Nintendo.

Amazon_Chris

You know, with games like Dragon Quest IX on DS and Monster Hunter 3 on Wii, I'm not even sure if even games like FFXIII could cause the PS3 to sell more than the Wii or DS in Japan anymore.

If people have enough of the genres/series that they really like on other platforms, the asking price is a lot to swallow for just one or two games, and with Japan's new craze on casual gaming it seems like the other platforms are just offering them so much more at this point.

Honestly I would have never seen this coming last generation.

Nirolak

Most fads die off. The Wii is the first fad backed by the vicious video game fanboy who will continue eating the garbage being served to them in an attempt to stay loyal to the only console they can afford.

Tarutaru_Pantsu

Nintendo is quite a beast this generation. I had preconceived notions that the Wii would falter and not hold much strength to the Xbox 360 and Ps3 but I have been proven wrong.

I'm not really sure when there will be a stop on Nintendo's rampage of this generation.

Stevetrop

The Wii has some great titles, just how the PS3 has some great titles.

But MGS4 really hasn't shifted consoles like it should have... maybe because of the time of year. Most people in Europe and the US are going on holiday this time of year not many can fork out X or Y amount of whatever currency they use to buy a PS3.

King of Fun UK

I have a feeling though, that MGS4 will still be available to purchase even after its first month. Now, I don't expect the PS3 to outsell the Wii anyway, but I'm sure MGS4 will be giving the PS3 more sales for years to come. It's a system seller, through and through. Just as Halo sold me on an Xbox in 2004, MGS4 will sell somebody on a PS3 in 2011.

Now, talk to us again when LittleBigPlanet and Gran Turismo are out...

dowingba

@Tarutaru_Pantsu: Gamin died in 2006 when the Wii came out.

Amazon_Chris

Wow. Looks like Nintendo wins this round. Sony and MS made technically impressive consoles that were beyond their means... and in the end, better graphics didn't win the day. Consumers just wanna have fun.

Highlander Wolf

2008: The year gaming died.

Tarutaru_Pantsu

Ah, people will get bored of the Wii eventually. I'm certainly bored hearing about it. It's just a fad. Sure, a massive fad, but still a fad.

Metal Gear 4, though, is amazing. Shame all these Wii-owning non-gamers are missing out on an actual, proper game of genius and instead just have a crappy little gimmick in the corner to show off to their friends when they come over.

Ungruntled

Oh crap. I gotta admit, that was thoughtless of me.

Amazon_Chris

Well of course. I mean, people can't wait to play Mario Party 666...

Amazon_Chris

The Wii is cool, I have friends that own it, I can honestly say I stopped caring about Nintendo's systems after Gamecube. The only reason I could see for getting a Wii is for some simple games that maybe my girlfriend could play.

dirkxxdiggler

Breaking News : The MGS4 release had absolutely no impact on the 360 sales, Microsoft ftw !

John_Norad

I personally own only a Wii as current gen console, but i'm thinking about buying a PS3, more about that later.
Why I don't have another console is pretty easy to tell:
The Wii has a lot of crap, that's true, but there are a few very good, exclusive, games. I don't like shooter nor am i into stealth action games. So what do the other consoles have to offer on good exclusive titles? There much less than for the Wii in my opinion. I own a good PC and most good games from PS3 or 360 are released on PC sooner or later.
The only thing i'm missing are good RPGs (my favourite genre), but there are a lot of them on the DS/GBA. But RPGs are a reason to think about buying another console. 360 has by far the most of them of the current gen consoles as far as i know, so why do i want to buy a PS3? If i'll ever buy one, then it will be one with PS2 compatibility which opens the gates for a huge amount of RPGs. And there is the Blue-Ray-Player included which i want to have sooner or later. But the thing is just too expensive just buy one.

Naryoril

People try to come up with so many reasons for this and that, as to why Nintendo is beating everyone, with such a poor overall lineup, when it pretty much is just money.

I really, really, really, really think some people are absolutely oblivious as to how the average consumer works.

$200 is expensive, but reasonable for a console
$250 is the same.
$300 is very expensive, and maybe reasonable, but they'll likely wait for a price drop
$350-380 is way expensive, but considerable, but very likely to result in waiting.
$400 is incredibly expensive, and is going to likely be ignored, and the high price is going to hold a stigma on the console for the rest of it's life.
$500 and up = Holy frigging crap.

The IDEAL launch price is $300. The ideal mass market price is $200.

That's why this gen has been so frigging slow.. why so few games have come out.. why variety is down.

The best console to own right now, even, is still the PS2. That's how bad this gen is. A PS2 and a DS equals gaming bliss.

otimus

the funny thing with the wii, is it sold somewhat of how i expected. Mostly cause i thought in the lines of "ds sells cause of new different system" Same with the wii. If it was the same controls it wouldn´t sell, as much. And if you are talking about that it´s a fad. shouldn´t ds also be a fad then?

basseman

@M.C.-Action: So what, we should only compare Xbox 360 and Wii sales? M'kay.......

The Wii, the Xbox 360 and the PS3 are all home consoles. Their sales will always be compared as they are competing for the same market, which is, well, the home console market.

Brian Ashcraft

Well let's hope that with the 360 supposed price cut they will do alot better, being cheaper than the Wii.

The Wii won't reduce it's price, (not that it needs to) because if they did it could end up being the first console that costs more to buy the controllers than the damn console.

Firebreedpunk

If I hadn't sold my older Nintendo products and bought all the games I wanted (again) on Virtual Console I would have sold my Wii a long time ago. The only game I care for on the system (other than VC stuff) is Super Mario Galaxy. Though that might be worth owning it, I'm not sure though.

I only know one other person with a Wii (most my buddies are PC gamers) and she regrets buying it now. I can understand why it sells the way it does though, but history won't look back at it the way it's viewed now. It won't go gold like the PS2 or the SNES.

That said, total console sales isn't the only way to be successful in this industry. The Wii could outsell condoms and I still wouldn't care. Though one might say with all the wild bunny sex going on that condoms aren't selling. Heh... Heh... Heh...

Replica23

I love the Wii in theory, but I barely touch it compared to 360 or PS3. What is has this generation is the lowest price, and the best advertising. Everyone wants to try the wiimote. Everyone. It's great for the 5 games that are made for it too. But otherwise you have a gamecube+ with shake functionality. Sony calls the PS3 the trojan horse for Blu-ray. I call the Wiimote the Trojan Horse for the whole damn system.

I love the Wii, but fuck if I don't feel like it's just a Brawl machine most of the time.

Baikenator

@Tarutaru_Pantsu: You could just use Skype.

Spartan1308™

@Highlander Wolf: I wanted that...

Amazon_Chris

@Tarutaru_Pantsu: OMG! How could I forget! We could accidentally tell strangers where we live! Nintendo needs to grow up. If they can connect online then theres a good chance they can use internet. There's more danger on the internet than on the Wii.

Amazon_Chris

@Amazon_Chris:
Eight Days. (shrug)

Highlander Wolf

@Amazon_Chris: Don't forget no voice chat because of "stranger danger!".

As awesome as it is having to have X-Box LIVE running while playing Brawl just to be able to talk to friends that live in different states. . .

Tarutaru_Pantsu

LMAO @ people hating on the Wii.

Oh No! It's going to kill gaming! Hahaha, give me a break.

So MGS4 didn't help sell a half-million PS3's. Konami is making a shit-ton of money off of it. Do you really think they aren't going to make a MGS5 just because the Wii is doing well? The two have nothing to do with each other.

Don't get your panties in a bunch over the Wii's success. There's still plenty of demand for shooter after shooter after shooter. The Wii is going to be the system for everything else. All of those experimental IP's created by indie developers. Even major developers are going to use the Wii for their quirky games.

The Wii is necessary for gaming to continue to grow. Not all developers can afford to gamble on a 40 million dollar HD game. Instead, they'll spend 10 million or less and make it for the Wii. It's already happening.

And please stop with the tired "No good games on the Wii" bullshit. It stopped being true a long time ago. There's plenty to play on the Wii and more on the horizon. Anyone who says that is AUTOMATICALLY labeled a fanboy, no questions asked.

You know why the PS3 isn't selling well in Japan? Name as many PS3 games as you can that don't involve shooting a gun. There aren't enough to make someone who isn't interested in shooters interested in the PS3. When the library becomes more varied, the casual gamers who bought those PS2's will finally upgrade.

Stop hating on the Wii. Without it, gaming could very well collapse in on itself.

cringer8

@ Ashcraft
"Guess Metal Gear Solid 4 didn't drive Japanese hardware sales as Sony had hoped."

Well how much have they hoped to sell?

Garo

I'm a happy Wii owner, because I can play other games than shooters. Whee!

And don't worry, haters, I'll get around to MGS4 and GTAIV eventually. Aside from that, I'm not missing out on anything I care for.

Kyuu

@Fireblast: Of course Nintedogs, and My little pony(or whatever they are) are stealing sales from GTA IV. Because little girls got confused whether they want to groom a pony or kill some cops and went for the cheaper game.
God it's like saying the sales of toy bikes are taking away for sales of sports cars.

julians

PS3 need Monster Hunter 3 & Final Fantasy XIII, it will raise to the top and stay there far longer. Trust me on this....

Look at PSP, slim down PSP + Monster Hunter 2nG...instant win....

ahmeng

The comments in this topic are hilarious. Why is everyone here so incredibly disgusted by the fact that not every game will ever get made just for them? Why are people so unwilling to accept that with the diverse interests that exist in the world today, that a lot of people buy casual games and enjoy them (as the Nintendo Channel has proven)? Everyone here seems to assume that only the games they enjoy are actually worth buying, which as anyone with common sense will tell you, is complete baloney (to put it gently).

This is how I see the current situation:
-All gamers expect all games to be catered towards their specific tastes.
-Any game that does not meet those specific taste is automatically "bad" by definition.
-Gamers then find crappy justifications for developers to make games they like (CASUAL GAMES ARE GIMMICKS!).

I'll say it again; people need to get their heads out of their asses and appreciate variety in the industry.

Raian1

I haven't played my Wii in 6 months..my mates all have one but none of them play it either.

nitram100

Looks like a lot of jealous people out here getting angry that they can't buy a wii.
Wii has taken a casual crowd as it's target and succeeded where everyone failed, and apparently that's pissing a lot of people off. And rightfully so, nobody likes a big corporation making money (see MS). But arguing that it's crap because it doesn't have the games you want to play is as stupid as me arguing against women's products because they don't care about my male needs.
That said I have all 3 consoles and have fun with each of them.

julians

This is gonna sound very cruel and fanboyish of me but I played the Wii on several occasions (Sports and Galaxy to be specific) and I cannot for the life of me figure how it became so successful.

tehFluffz

Is there anyone left in japan that doesn't own a wii?

4Degrees

The Wii is a little bastard stealing limelight from some great games in recent memory like MGS 4, Bioshock, Mass Effect, and GTA IV. Yet these games that are shovelware such as Wild Safari: African Adventure, Dog Island, and any other game based on a movie or aimed to little kids ruin sales of real gems like I mentioned above. They may think Kung Fu Panda is the best game they played but it's a shame that when these kids get older how many good gems they missed out on. I use to hate Zelda and I missed out on a lot of gems. Sadly I still supported Sonic then.

Fireblast

@EzeeT:
ATMM: "Look up fanboy in the dictionary, you know what you'll find?"
EzeeT: "A picture of me?"
ATMM: "No, the definition of fanboy which you fucking are!"

Courtesy of KKBB

AngryTankManMax

@Brain Ashcraft: ahhhhh...come on! You can´t compare even if they´re all home consoles. Still they play in different leagues. Then why don´t you guys compare the graphics of these consoles? I think this wouldn´t be approriate either.

M.C.-Action

I seriously don't see why there's all this Wii hate. Each system has their own merits which is why I have a Wii, PC, and 360. I'm also thinking of getting a DS once Chrono Trigger remake comes out too.

Probably going to hold off on getting a PS3 until there are more than just one or two games that interest me and aren't already going to be out on 360 and PC.

Phlycheez

Goes to show that maybe systems should be cheaper, more people can try out their games, and it may be less graphically beautiful, but at least it'll get more sales.

BrotherNick

@Tarutaru_Pantsu @Amazon_Chris: Wow. The Wii attempts to introduce games to a wider audience and you say it has killed gaming? What the crap?

Casual gamers are potential hardcore gamers after all.

AngryTankManMax

Not too surprising.

I check 2ch.net from time to time, and always see threads about whether to buy a PS3 or Xbox. Lots of people complain that both are worthless, because there are no games they want to play... or it's just too expensive.

There was a thread about whether or not MGS4 made buying a PS3 worth it, and a bunch of posters said no, because MGS4 is more movie than game... Haha. I guess Japanese gamers and western gamers can agree on a few things at least.

Nullzero

This just ruined my day.

EzeeT

@Ryumeka: SSBB is great.

phinehas

@GogolGants: To be fair, Joanna Newsom does kindof sound like the Cat Lady on the Simpsons...

cio

Fucking Wii. I'm a 360 fan but I would have loved to see the PS3 out sell the Wii. Fucking Wii. Fucking Wii Fucking Wii Fucking Wii Fucking Wii Fucking Wii.

EzeeT

So much fanboyhate on one page. Are you crazy or what? Nintendo forfeited their rights to be called a games company because they make games which appeal to the mass market? Are you really that close minded? If Sony or Microsoft go broke then it's the fault of Nintendo? Come on, you should know better, that's like saying the Coke Company took away those precious customers away from Dr Pepper because they made a product which appeals to customers worldwide. Calm down, have some dip - to quote the late George Carlin.

Al Bino

@cringer8: something tells me you like the wii.

also, there are good games on the Wii. But it stops at good.

Ryumeka

@cringer8: "Stop hating on the Wii. Without it, gaming could very well collapse in on itself."

LOL so dramatic. And yes, there's no game that I'd like to play on Wii.

ksins5

You neckbeards used to make fun of Nintendo because GC was the worst selling console (in America),now that Wii smashed it's competitors in sales,the sales are suddenly a BAD thing to have because it means you're "teh mainstreem".
What was PS2 or NES?

kidnicky

A lot of people complain there are not many great Wii games? Then try to make a list for 360 or PS3 that's longer. I'm talking about exclusive titles.
Even if you can somehow make a longer list, take out all games that are shooters (either first or third person) and look what remains, it won't be much.

Naryoril

I don't get the math here. The PS3 is almost twice the price of the Wii anywhere it's sold, right?

Let's see: $250 or $400... Most people will pick $250 any day of the week. The mass market consumer doesn't care about the game quality, they care about Wii Sports first and foremost.

Hardcore gamers aren't the mass market. Simple, really.

DeejayKnight

Wii killed gaming? Bullshit, I says. They're keeping it alive.

Microsoft and Sony both released consoles at $400 and up and priced their games at $60 a piece. Most people cannot afford that. I sometimes can't afford that, and gaming is a priority for me. I have all 3 systems and all of them are fun. Which one is the cheaper fun? Wii. That's why it wins. It's not asking everyone to make a large investment. And these days, if you have a choice between a PS3 and filling up your gas tank for a month and a half, I think the gas is going to win out. I don't care if MGS4 was the Citizen Kane of gaming and gave BJs everyday, PS3 and it's games are still too expensive.

WordMan

While I agree the Wii doesn't have many good games, the games that are good on it are extremely fun to play with friends. (In person not online)

Mario Strikers, Super Smash Bro, Mario Kart Wii, Boom Blox, Super Monkey Ball to name a few.

both the PS3 and the 360 don't really have anything to compare. that and the fact that most family's cant afford to shell out the money for a 360, PS3

-360/PS3 owner and former Wii owner
(sold it because we play Wii at my buddy's house)

Jeff

@cio: Okay, you have an extremely valid point. I was thinking of someone in that vane, I should have said Roisin Murphy. She's alot more accessible and half as insane.

GogolGants

Wii definitely killed gaming. Especially with the economy the way it is, game devs have the option to spend big money on developing a killer app but would probably make more money making a crap collection of mini-games on the Wii.

IMarcus

I'm literally laughing for 5 minutes straight now out of the comments here. Wii-hate makes little SB laugh.

SpiritBoy

@badasscat: have you played MGS4? coz im not fan

invictus2006

@cringer8: your not rite in the head. I own a wii and i think its a big load of crap...to many party games not enough good games and as im the only gamer in my house....

invictus2006

This has nothing to do with the PS3. I've said it before: Metal Gear Solid just is not as big of a blockbuster series as some in the press, and some hardcore gamers, seem to think it is. It never has been, but its impact has been lessening over time, if anything. It's a couple-million seller, not a system mover. It's like Final Fantasy, which also hasn't been a system seller since FF7.

I laughed when I read one review of MGS4 that called it "one of the most important games in history". Talk about hype! It always amazes me how the gaming press buys into their own crap. That guy's going to look back on that review one day and shake his head in embarrassment.

badasscat

Am I the only one who's noticed that all the "Wii has no games" or "Wii has no 'hardcore' games" people simply don't know about any titles apart from the super mainstream ones? They say apart from Galaxy, TP, SSBB, and maybe a couple other games that the Wii has nothing, these guys are 10x worse than the super casuals who only play Wii Sports, Play, and Fit. How about checking out some different games for a change, and not just the ones that you're told to like. Ever played Trauma Center (though I recommend the DS version(s) over the Wii versions), Okami (and before you say "omg ps2 port", did you ever play it on PS2?), Excite Truck? People often talk about Boom Blox and Zack & Wiki, but have you ever played them? Of course not, because EVERYONE knows that everything on the Wii that wasn't made by Nintendo is obviously complete trash, and since Nintendo clearly only makes casual games there are just about zero titles on the Wii that deserve your attention.

The Wii is the most popular system, that's why it gets the most casual games. The PS2 was the same (and the PS1 probably was as well), the GBA was the same, the DS is the same, and the PC is by far the most popular gaming platform of all if you include it and it has more casual games than all 360, PS3 and Wii games combined.

Just on this MGS4 - PS3 sales thing, it's not exactly surprising. I'd think that most people who want MGS4 already have a PS3, just like virtually everyone who wanted GTA IV already had a 360 or PS3. Final Fantasy 13 and GT5 probably have a far, far better chance of boosting hardware sales. I don't think Wii sales went up much when SSBB came out, because most of the people interested in Smash already had a Wii for Galaxy, Mario Kart has probably been much more of a system seller. While Wii Fit boosts hardware sales because of a lot of the people buying Wii Fit probably didn't think the Wii was worth their money previously, GT5 will probably do a similar thing for the many people who only bought a PS2 for racing games.

vantesaur

This is the response from the Playstation brand dieing.

ostartero

If I could find a fucking wii I would get one My girlfriend wants we fit- I have no interest in the console. Found a guy willing to part with hist for $270 and he's throwing in Zelda. Maybe I'll like wii once I play that game.

sex-target

Everybody realises that the ps2 was ontop and had some really really bad 3rd party games alos right? OR does this only matter because its NINTENDO?

majortom1029

@shade-black: Great use of the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. And the "over 9000" gag isn't funny when you set yourself up for it. Just a heads up.

This whole "OMG minigames" thing has nothing to do with the Wii as a console and everything to do with developers cashing in on a hot selling system.

Of the piles of minigames out for this console, maybe only a handful sell as well as everybody claims. The Wii___ series, Carnival Games I believe...but that seems to be it.

The PS2 was no different in the peak of its popularity. Unless you feel that The Man Game (with its statutory goodness) is some kind of sleeper hit.

TRT-X

people that aren't "Gamers" will buy the wii because the so called games they do have are easy enough to be played by anyone. that's the point, and that's why it sells. They turned they're backs on old skool nintendo gamers.

shade-black

i've been saying all along. it doesn't matter how good the games are on the 360 or ps3. the wii will usually take the lead because they don't make games - they make retarded little variations of what seem to be games, but are actually just miniatures with mario thrown in.

How many mini-games does the wii have now?
...
... ... "IT'S OVER 9000!!!"

shade-black

Jesus. This is getting old people. A good reason why I don't stop in to read comments or comment much on this site anymore is because of these absurdly stupid reasons to hate the Wii. For fucks sake, it's a gaming console. Don't even try to tell me that it's some sort of pox on gaming because of what Nintendo did. If you haven't figured out that the Wii is Nintendo's attempt to restart their iconic gaming status, a la the NES/SNES days, you probably won't figure it out ever.

Some people here have the right idea, the system has it's faults, it has it's advantages. I can play, and enjoy any good game on the system, and... GASP! Then go play a good game on another system... AND ENJOY IT! Now, if only other people could learn to do the same.

Ampillion = That Man.

don't take me wrong: there is an incredible amount of crap out there for the Wii and the average game on 360 or ps3 may be better then an average wii game, but to be honest: most hardcore gamers only buy the truely great title plus the good ones of their favourite genre. So there aren't less games on the Wii that are really worth buying than on the other systems. especially if you relate it to the money have to spend to buy all these games including the console and then divide it by the number of games.

Naryoril

@Mr_Ed: Have you played Mario Kart online? Please enlighten me to what it's missing aside from voice chat and gamertags.

And it can be played with a traditional game pad.

nastysquared

These posts are awesome. Not because of the articles, although I do find them compelling, but the real meat comes after you scroll down. Notice all the multiple posters, bitching and whinging because their favourite gaming console lost in a pissing competition on the month of June.

You morons. PS3 still sold well. Companies aren't going to stop making hardcore games. People aren't going to stop buying Wii. Come out of your fallout shelters! (or you know what, don't. You entertain me.}

marmidukestank

Last Gen gaming wins again!

ScottG13

Price is not a valid argument with a 360 Core system being slightly more expensive in the US than a Wii and even being cheaper in Europe than a Wii.

People like the Wii because of accessibility and brand recognition.

MGS4 is a great game but its complexity alienates the majority of the market. You can pick up Brawl and have fun within literally seconds. All the great "system movers" of the 360 and PS3 require time commitment and effort just to learn how to play. Some people, even core gamers, don't want to mess with all that. One of the whole mantras about console gaming is that it is effortless and quick, unlike the [deserved] stereotype for PC gaming.

cowondinosaur

@ZeeBeeEss: I would go further than that, and they're just jaded children who complain about "OMG MINIGAMES!" after taking a stroll through the game isle on their way to t3h HALOZ!

TRT-X

Considering the PS3 sold about 100,000 more than it's been selling in Japan in a month, I'd say MGS4 did a damn good job pushing hardware.

kratosfan

@vantesaur: That sums up what I wanted to say.

Oh and note to the whiners: Get your heads out of your asses and stop blaming inanimate objects for your bitterness. That is all.

sweetie55

@notoriousEIC: Completely true. In fact the weakest system of the last three generations has been the one that has won. The Gamecube was technically more powerful than the PS2.

M.A.S.

@Tarutaru_Pantsu:

I own both consoles, I play the PS3 a bit more sure, but my Wii is hardly collecting dust. I think the fanboys are the people who keep insisting that the Wii is a fad...

In any case, people who buy Wiis mostly wouldn't buy a PS3 or a 360 anyway. It's not like they're stealing market share.

exolstice

The thing that annoys me most about the Wii, is that most of the games would be better with a PS3/360.

Mario Kart is a prime example. After the initial amusement, the Wii Wheel isn't actually that great, and the online is laughable. It wouldn't be any less addictive on a traditional gamepad, and with a decent online system it would be soo much better.

Mr_Ed

I guarantee that 95% of the children whining about the Wii here have only played a demo version of one game at Best Buy and are basing their rationalized arguments upon that one experience.

ZeeBeeEss

Not to be a prat, but 235,990 is 69% more than 139,494. Not 59% more as stated in the article.

subnet6

@R3load: Dude I hear ya. LBP is going to force me to get a PS3 as well and I simply can't afford one. I'm basically gonna have to go to some mobsters to borrow money or something.

dowingba

@dowingba: Remember dowingba that "console sellers" usually sell the systems the first month, after that they fall overall, this is visual with Halo 3 and MGS4 (when NPD releases). The thing is, however, games like Halo 3 and MGS4 set a staple of excitement for their respective consoles, and overall PS3 sales will rise month to month most likely, so MGS4 will have a lasting effect on the PS3, basically what you've already said, hehe.

P.S Plz dont mention LBP. This is going to cause me to drop $399. Hopefully M$ price drop causes Sony to drop one more before hand. hehe.

R3load

there are big hitters on the wii, but they don't come very often

dipsetboy17

@ Raian1

You're right of course, but it's silly to come here and expect perspective. Kotaku is pretty much a giant ass for hardcore gamers to stick their heads into (I mean that in the best possible way).

The Wii is making gaming accessible and accepted. Anyone who has played it with nongaming family and friends knows this. Here's what most of the whiny anti-Wii hardcore gamers are clumsily attempting to communicate:

1) My hobby used to be an exclusive club for people like me.
2) Because of this, most games were made with people like me in mind.
3) Because of the Wii, new people who are not like me are gaming.
4) My hobby is losing its mystique. There are lots of games being made for people who are not like me.
5) I am confused and angry.

Here's where the stupidity comes in:

6) More games being made for people not like me means that fewer games will be made for people like me.

Wrong, new casual gamers does not automatically mean suddenly the hardcore market vanishes. Do you seriously know a hardcore gamer that has said, "Well, now that the Wii is here, I guess I'll just stop gaming altogether." Games targeted at people like you are not going to go away anytime soon because of the Wii. The hardcore market is still extremely strong.

And, finally, some of the very stupidest are just willy waving as usual.

7) I know my favorite console has the biggest dick, but the Wii's dick still looks bigger... does not compute... Waaaaah the Wii is raping my hobby!!! The Wii's dick is fake! Do over! Do over!

Your hobby is now enjoyed by people more mature than you: soccer moms, parents, grandparents... teenage girls... toddlers. Deal with it, and do your best to grow the fuck up.

amanohyo

@Phlycheez: People hate the Wii because it has "casual" games, and it's not cool to like those. Nevermind that Wii Sports is a fun game, particularly with other people. Nevermind that Wii Fit is a fun game just on its own. And, of course, nevermind that there's still some games for teh kool hardc0re kidz to play if they'll die just from so much as touching something that isn't extremely shiny and doesn't take at least a dozen hours to "beat". Non-gamers like it and that means that it's not cool.

Rabish12

@Tarutaru_Pantsu: Holy shit. Tricked into getting a Wii?

Honestly this is the worst comment thread I've read on Kotaku in a while.

The Wii has tons of great games. Yes, I realize the graphics aren't as good as the PS360. God, just get over it. I realize some of the games are "rehashes". Ugh. What the hell are you expecting? Are you trying to tell me every PS360 game is some truly new original experience? Holy shit.

dowingba

Of course it sells more, it's cheap cheap cheap!

vag2.0

ahh. i love the sound of whining commentors in the morning. people say it gets old, but i disagree. being able to laugh at someone elses crying never gets old.

bigman88zz

wow, are you kidding me? In Japan, the sales for the PS3 are usually about 15,000 a month tops. I'd say that 130,000 is a pretty impressive leap, even if it is temporary. I have to assume you're talking about Japan since you clarified 'land of the rising sun,' even though Japan is only mentioned in the tags. Anyway, yea, people are stupid. Seriously, I can't possibly imagine why the Wii has continued selling after the first year it was out. It didn't take me long to realize that the Wii will never amount to anything but a glorified gimmick, as a reference point, look at Wii Sports. Bowling has a creative feel to it, but basebal, golf, tennis, and boxing are really all just about slight wavings of the remote. But, should we really be surprised that the Japanese prefer shit? I mean, Monster Hunter 2nd G (or whatever it's called) is--as I understand it--nothing more than a slight expansion over the previous Monster Hunter, and even that one was NOT a very good game. I will never understand the minds of Japanese gamers.

tehflyingwombat

You can't beat a pop-culture thing.

slomo788

Did we not discover that Wii is not a fad but a true contender? Or people still jealous?

Para

@vantesaur: In the year I've had my 360, I've only come across a handful of people that actually use chat to its fullest.

With the exception of ONE guy in that whole year, the other people who used the in-game chat were either annoying children clamoring for us to play "Welcome Home" for the fifth time that day....or some blathering idiot flinging obscenities and slurs.

Otherwise it's been relatively quiet on the 360 front. It made me realize when playing MKWii that I really don't miss it.

TRT-X

its sad, Nintendo has very little games to backup the sales for there system, while PS3 and 360 have a decent variety. seems most ppl here are dissapointed with this, as am i

AgitoXIII

Of course, you could also say that the 360 got blown out the most, but why say that when you hate on the PS3.

fraggenstein

@Mr_Ed: What's wrong with the MK Wii online system apart from having to use friend codes (which is only a problem in the first week or two after launch, personally I've only added 2 or 3 people after that initial period of adding all my usual online gaming friends, I'd definitely prefer a single username for everything though of course) and not having voice chat? It's certainly not laughable. Call the SSBB online system laughable if you want, it definitely isn't great, but Mario Kart works quite damn well. And you can use 3 other forms of control if you don't like the wheel/standalone remote, all of which wouldn't be improved on if the game were on PS3 or 360.

Plus Mario Kart is one of the very best multiplayer games without going online, a type of game that is largely non-existent on the PS3 and 360 apart from Guitar Hero and Rock Bank I guess. This form of multiplayer, apparent in MK Wii, SSBB, Wii Sports, Wario Ware, etc, is just as important as online multiplayer, I'm not sure why so many people ignore this when it's one of the main reasons for the console's success, in just the same way that Xbox Live is a big reason for the 360's popularity.

vantesaur

@ScottG13: The only thing last gen about the Wii are the supposedly "clever" memes such as the one you so happily plucked from the archives.

Quickly now, whip out the classic "Two Gamecubes duct taped together!"

TRT-X

@vantesaur: "They say apart from Galaxy, TP, SSBB, and maybe a couple other games that the Wii has nothing..."

There's the first problem. If you start peeling away all the good games, of course a console won't have anything.

That's like saying: "Well take away Uncharted, and Resistance, Ratchet, (etc) and it's got nothing!"

Or "Well take away Halo 3, Bioshock, Gears, (etc) and it's got nothing!"

The whole 3rd Party stigma about Nintendo consoles seems to stem from the fact that people don't realize that Nintendo (comparred to Sony or MS) have WAY more first party franchises that are ALSO SUCCESSFUL!

Sony and MS have had trouble getting franchises to stick (MS hit it big with Halo, and Sony I'm unfortunately not to familiar with)

But Sony and MS make up for it with strong 3rd party franchises, though there's been more and more of those going multiplatform on them.

TRT-X

Cartman: "Yes! Yesss! Oh, let me taste your tears, Scott! Mmm, your tears are so yummy and sweet! Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! My-yummy! Mm-yummy, you guys!"

megaStryke

@SG79:

Pointing out the obvious, what franchise hasn't lost its commercial viability over time? Even GTA and Halo (sell through).

Prepared to be shocked when Gears 2 sells less than its predecessor.

SG79

Wii is a great system. I love the VC, and the AAA titles that drop now and again. Metroid, Mario Kart, Mario Galaxy, Resident Evil IV, Okami, Boom Blox, Zack and Wiki, etc. have all been wonderful. The Wii is not a fad. I've been gaming for over 20 years, starting on old Ultima games, Questron, Zork, etc. so, I'm the very definition of hardcore gamer, and what the Wii offers is great. It's just another platform. I have no idea why people get so threatened when their precious chosen console doesn't sell as well as another console. I find it hilarious. Don't you have anything better to do than whine and cry about a gaming platform? Your lives must be awfully empty.

SpiralJacobs

Use me as a case study for a hardcore gamer who became a casual gamer in his post-collegiate life.

I don't own any of the current gen systems. I only occasionally play at friends' homes and check sites like this and gametrailers every day. Gaming news is my favorite, and I get excited about eveything. Yet, as I said, I don't own any of the current-gen systems. Why?

• For me, the PS3 isn't worth it. The price is high, but not THAT much higher than Microsoft's system. But it's not worth it because there are not enough games to justify the price - for me. Also, I don't want to play on its online network because I've had a taste of XBOX Live.

• For me, up until a few months ago, X360 wasn't worth it (though I still don't own one). X360 probably has the most games I want and a solid online service, but its lacking of a few key exclusives is really getting under my skin. So I'm waiting until another price drop to feel better about myself.

• I love Nintendo, so it's really unfortunate that I hate playing games with the Wiimote. The price is appealing, but there are, like, three games that interest me. Nintendo isn't alienating anyone by including everyone. I just don't like the interface and how every third-party developer has to figure out a way to cheaply implement it. I just don't want it.

For me it's not a pissing contest or anything. I just am waiting to enjoy this round of gaming a little later. (It's what I did with the Dreamcast.) Personally, I don't have a lot of time to game anymore, so I might as well just pick one system and enjoy a handful of games. But it's going to be the one that gives me the most bang for my buck. It's either going to be PS3 or X360. Likely the latter. I simply don't want a Wii.

Until then, I'll just continue to play the shit out of my DS.

bulliestogo

Hahaha. Wow, this is the saddest, whiniest thread I've seen in a LONG time. I suspect the Banhammer shall quench it's thirst for months in this thread.

Mr. Fap☆Fap!

Open letter to Sony:

I'd just like to point out that I recently purchased a PS3 (Already have a Wii and the ultimate: a PC), for the blu-ray playback and LBP. I wouldn't piss on Solid Snake and his shitty games if he was on fire.

So please take off my one PS3 purchase off any list relating to MGS4.

Regards,

etc.

Lemming

Meh. Here is what I notice:

The Wii came out 2 years ago? This console is still young. What I think Nintendo is doing is releasing all this family crap, to get as many consoles to be sold as possible. Nintendo knows it wont stay forever like this, so they wait till they release some good games. Or as everyone says on here, "Hard-Core Games." They know most Hard-Core fans are selling/not buying/tempted to get rid of their Wiis. So, now lets go to the present. This E3 is when Nintendo will answer what hard-core fans should do with their Wiis. Notice they got the Kodak theater.. that's pretty big.

So in the long run, hard-core fans, wait for E3. It's almost here.

The_Green_Ninja

@badasscat:

No, you're just overlooking one fact: MGS has never been a big franchise in Japan. The fact that MGS4 sold through nearly as many units as the PS2 games speaks volumes.

Shipped or otherwise, 3 million copies worldwide IS a big deal in an era dominated by shooters and GTA.

SG79

the thing that makes me laugh about the wii is this... (BTW i own both Wii & PS3)

The Wii is clearly a cultural phenomenon. its look and games are not so intimidating to the general public at large, which i can understand why people gravitate towards it. i have like 6 games for it.... now you ask why? not beacause im broke. the truth is there is nothing for me out right now that makes me wanna drop 50 bucks for. and then i stare at the other corner, my media hammered PS3. sure the PS3 cost me an arm and a leg.(60GB Launch PS3) and of course it doesn't have the wide variety of games like the 360... but right now i have 16 games for it. and i feel like the PS3 has delivered pretty damn good games. when i look at both consoles it is clear that Wii has drwan the line i the sand to what is more important for the time being... which is selling consoles and not making enough compelling games. i know my wife will kill me for this, but if not for the fact i am getting her the Wii Fit, i would have sold the thing a while ago.

Ninendo is here to stay.i get it. it prints money, blah,blah,blah but where its resting is head is a little bit concerning. i really hope that the 360 and PS3 outperform them in the long run. hopefully that will push the Wii to stop resting on this whole"well were selling consoles so screw you complex."

END RANT

zanzibarlegend

@Para: The Wii could be leading in sales going into 2009, still be flying off shelves...and people will still claim it's just a fad that's prone to dying.

And then when E3 2010 or 2011 or whatever comes and the next gen begins, people will look at the Wii and cry "See...see! It was just a big fad!"

TRT-X

all i can say is.. nintendo made their business model right.

And theyre a genius for doing so.

Leepox

Ah ha! AH HA HA! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Dance, puppets! Dance for your puppet master! Life is brutal! Learn to love it!

megaStryke

Who can blame Nintendo for aiming for a "casual" audience. From what I can gather, the "hardcore" audience can not be satisfied by any game at all, and will just complain about every effort put forth at making a great game (they'll be buying the game anyway of course). Why cater to a crowd that can't be pleased?

Nslick

@fraggenstein: You're absolutely right. Why isn't there an article on how MGS4 didn't boost the 360 sales enough this month? (rolls eyes)

Ashcraft obviously posted this article so the members here that aren't brain dead could get a good chuckle before the holiday weekend. Would have made a great 'monday' post, though.

TKWarrior

@Tarutaru_Pantsu: You and others like you are the sole reason I really love watching Wii dominate in hardware (and increasingly software) sales. Every. Single. Month. Maybe it's vindictive but you know, just the thought that all these 'hardcore gamers' out there are grinding their teeth at continued Wii sales, or how they've managed to find still more people in the UK who didn't buy Mario and Sonic at the Olympics yet, or whatever... awesome.

I only have a Wii, but it's not because of money problems; I have enough disposable income that I could buy a PS3 and a 360 every month if I wanted. (Although obviously it's only the 360 where you actually need to buy a new one every month... I kid, I kid.) As yet I haven't really felt the need to do so, although I'm currently sort of planning to get a PS3 (for Blu-ray and also games) once they release a smaller model.

Incidentally PS3 sales may have been 'flattened' by the Wii, but Wii sales were 'flattened' by PSP, so I don't suppose Sony are all that disheartened.

quen

@Amazon_Chris: Gaming died in 1994 when the PS1 came out. The Wii brought gaming back to life.

Or maybe not. Why not be happy that there's so many options for gamers nowadays?

L_K_M

@tehflyingwombat: Did you even read the post? It says that the Wii still outsold the PS3 even with the PS3's numbers being boosted by MGS4. The whole point is that MGS4 DID sell more PS3s, just not enough to out sell the Wii for the month, though it did for one, or maybe two weeks.

Ow, and how could you possibly put Wii Sports tennis into the same group as boxing, golf and baseball. Tennis and Bowling > most games > the other three things playable in Wii Sports that no one cares about because tennis and bowling are so good.

vantesaur

Doesn't anybody understand that core gaming doesn't really appeal anymore in Japan? Portable and casual game are the current trend in Japan.

Also, the Wii does well because there are more of "them" than us. A lot of Wii owners are not gamers and don't have any particular preference towards anything. It's a toy to them not a gaming machine.

All the games on the shelf have no particular level of standard or context, cause they've never played anything else before so they don't know what's good or bad.

I have a group of friends that LOVE Boogie for the Wii, and as a karaoke game, it pales in comparison to Rock Band. Guess what though, it looks a lot more cuter and funner, and it has the songs they can recognize. Guess what? They're girls, so it makes sense.

Kuren

I have it!!!
2 simple reasons for wii-hate:
Reason 1) People bought wii thiking it's something different than what it is or 'I got tricked into bying wii'-reason
It's like when you want to drink milk and you buy a bull, and you milk it and milk it but it's just not the same. So you get angry at the bull, and then you get angry at other people who have bulls and are laughing at you, and then you get angry at god for making the bull.
2) wii-sports is not fun
It isn't. I totally agree. Ever tried to play tennis by yourself? BORING. wii is for people who actually have friends that come over to your house and you play together in that context wii sports beats MGS or 95% of games for ps3 and x-box. And that's why most of wii-haters don't understand why wii is so fun.

julians

@Mr_Ed: Have you played MK:Wii online?

The "cumbersome" system is actually pretty handy in this one. You can send invites to your Wii friends to add your Friend Code, and then they respond back and viola your linked.

Vastly improved over Brawl and even moreso over the earlier titles.

Which leaves me wondering why more third parties haven't done the same thing. It's like with GH:WT on the Wii having DLC. If this is tr