@DarkArcon: They don't hate the PS3, they just like Microsoft's money.

(And please don't read my comment as anything more than an observation born from the unlikelihood of Bethesda suddenly deciding to offer extra content to the 360 for no reason at all (and yes, I realise that this sentence is a mouthful, but I'm too lazy to work on it).)

Antiterra

@GARlock: LOL! Not on the PC man, that's what I am saying. Some clever modder will make me a cyber dogmeat or make armor for dogmeat for me without the $2.99 price tag console users are stuck with.

Don't get me wrong, some games I will not play on the PC, others not on console (e.g. mod friendly titles and Dune 2 inspired RTS games)

Daigoji Gai

@nbnz: If you have both consoles why would you choose the PS3 not knowing what this content is ESPECIALLY after Bethesda deemed it "substantial"? I for one am not going to lock myself out of ever having the possibility of downloading it.

rotcepsurt

I doubt it'll be anything better then shivering isles(which did not in any way take up over 20% of my gametime).

If you want the 'substantial' content get it on the pc or 360(that's what I'll do.)

Unless all you have is a ps3.

Sorry.

Vecha

@Raiden218: The developers are selling out cause they are money grabbers. I have both consoles but prefer playing multi-platforms on PS3. I'm still going to get Fallout 3 on PS3 regardless of DLC. I would cancel altogether if it didn't look so damn good. Damn you Bethesda.

nbnz

@Strangelove: An exclusive game (or timed exclusive game) is a far different beast than exclusive content that is only available in certain versions of certain games and not others. That implies that the version that does not receive the upgraded content is incomplete.

Are you pissed that Fable 2 isn't coming to the PS3? No, it's not supposed to. So unless the downloadable extra content comes in the form of XBOX 360 themed clothing line, then games should contain the same content across all platforms. At the very least they should BOTH have downloadable content that makes you choose (ie Yoda vs. Vader), but ultimately ensures that both games are complete.

h_jeremiah

@Dennen:

EXACTLY. Console makers I guess I understand. . . But why are developers selling out? I'm always under the impression that they develop for the consumer or that they were once like us and get us. Fuck that.

Raiden218

@Strangelove: It's not the same Strange. No one is complaining about exclusive titles. But reserving more content on a multiplatform game for one console sucks. It feels like having bought only part of a game. And about your Xbox comment, that was timed exclusivity, again a practice that is much better than this. It sucks, but not as much as having to play 80% of a whole game because of a business deal.

slomo788

@Strangelove: We are talking about substantial content to a game that is multi platform I never complained about Fable being xbox only or DOA which I love being xbox only what about ninja gaiden 2 being xbox only we aren't talking about a complete game we are talking about additional content for a multiplatform game. Yes I was upset with exclusive gta4 content for xbox and yes I did flip off the first microsoft logo I saw which was my start menu since M$ is the one that paid for that content.

lilaliendog

@Strangelove: ??? MGS has almost always been exclusive to Sony. It's not a cross platform game. Fallout 3 is. And GTA titles well.. I never played them on console, only on PC. And I had to wait for those too, although back then I didn't really care much.

wicko

Dogmeat armor $2.99

GARlock

I have all consoles, though my choice for this is the PC.

But I do have to say that this exclusive downloadable content bullshit really has got to go.

I am getting real sick of them starting to hack apart games to purchase pieces of games.

Exclusive Games are one thing. But Exclusive Parts of a game? I have had enough of this. It's a pathetic maneuver by either console creator or game developer. If you're going to go exclusive in any manner, then just go total exclusive. I am sick of buying a game that will end up to only be blocked at 1.0 version when subsequent 1.2 is available.

Sorry for the rant. But really - is gaming totally about the money and "you must purchase this, or else you don't get all we developed for the game".. Or is it not about the fans anymore? Do we not deserve to play the game we bought to its full extent, even if we must pay extra to see the rest? Or are developers now selling games to money rather than to fans.

Dennen

I said it before, and I'll say it again... Fallout + Bethesda = PC version will dominate thanks to mods.

It is what has kept Morrowind installed on desktops and allowed me to brag to my friends playing Oblivion on the 360: "Yeah, but I have 2 flying mounts, Sauron's armor from Jackson's LOTR, a Triangle Head sword from Silent Hill, and I can decapitate and hack limbs off guys - with the gore and gibs present while fighting off rogue bands of adventurers trying to clean out my dungeons and steal my loot... oh and not to mention some of the cool flura and fauna mods out there..."

Fallout 3 for PC, and I hope someone makes me dream a reality and makes a cybernetic version of dog meat (if I dont get to it first)

*crosses fingers Bethesda includes a mod editor as they've done in the past*

Daigoji Gai

Good luck with that unless its free on the PC... Fallout 3 SDK ftw

TheGreySpectre

Big lol @ DLC Exclusive bullshit.

xCruciaLx

DLC not important, talisman important.

kusarigama

@Strangelove:

That's because MGS4 was an exclusive game. This is a game available to both consoles but gimped on one. See the difference? Probably not . . .

Raiden218

@Foreign-Contaminant: LAWL LAWL you're an idiot Xbot, congratulations.

Polysics_2004

Apparently irradiated horses from the future need armour too.

GreyFoxV1

@wicko:
@lilaliendog:

I didn't hear you all complaining when MGSIV was exclusive to PS3, or when Xbox owners had to wait a year or more for GTA titles last generation.

Strangelove

i think he did say that the exclusive dlc would be in 2008, so probably a good chance of this content being released for ps3 in 2009.

thesuffering85

Was planning on buying the game but now I hope you read this, fuck you Bethesda, fuck you.

lilaliendog

PS3 owners, don't buy it. Petty exclusivity should be responded in kind, pirate it for PC. They want to play favourites for a bit of cash? Then they'll lose a bit of cash.

wicko

@BretzE: I have the GOTY version for the PS3 and the only DLC included (along with Shivering Isles) is Knights of the Nine. Horse Pack Armor is missing, even though it came out before Knights of the Nine.

From [www.uesp.net] : "The PS3 does not have any downloadable content (such as the Official Mods) other than Knights of the Nine and Shivering Isles."

@DarkArcon: Aye. Lousy work from them.
@slomo788: Yepp. Personally I think they just didn't want to dedicate any time to it. If they dedicated some time, they could have released the DLC multiplatform. Also, just read on uesp (link above) that SI never was released on EU PSN.. Glad that I have the GOTY then.

Weak was probably the wrong word in my first post, I should have used lousy instead.

Gjerven

i freakin' hate microsoft...oh well....

jpneiswi

@Strangelove: So, its an expansion pack then? (As they usually require the game).

wicko

@Sei: Well I play GTA4 once in a while. THAT SAID, if they go back to San Andreas or Vice City I'm selling back my PS3 copy the same second.

@rotcepsurt: It is ridiculous. And I'm fine with exclusives, but DLC exclusivity is not cool. They basically give PS3-only owners a portion of the game, and that sucks. Now I feel silly for having hyped Fallout 3 so much to my PS3 fans...

slomo788

@wicko:

You're wrong, you do need Oblivion. It opens a gate on an island in Tamriel. And you can download it for PC, you don't have to buy it retail.

@rotcepsurt:

I give up, too. Seems to me a dictionary would do this thread a world of good. The DLC for Fallout 3 may very well be expansion-pack-esque, just like for Oblivion, but I guess that would disqualify it as DLC.

Strangelove

More de-limbing weapons and I'm all over it. :>

malio

@wicko: Also, are all the XBLA and PSN games DLC as well? Seems kind of stupid to classify it like that.

wicko

Well at least it's coming to PC too. Otherwise there would be blood.

d3ath_fly

Well, was going to get this for PC anyway!

Mpalm.

@Strangelove: No, you don't need to own Oblivion to play it I believe. Also, for PC I'm pretty sure you had to buy it retail. Its also available in retail for PS3 and 360. Downloadable content is a very loose term, considering movies, music, pictures, etc are all downloadable content. Therefore I think its best to classify Shivering Isles as an expansion pack rather than DLC.

On topic, I wouldn't buy this for console anyway. PC all the way!

wicko

@Sei: "Also, Does anyone still play GTA4?"

Yes, but only because I have OCD and until I hit the last 20 something stunt jumps, get the last 15 or so text message cars, and track down all of those damn flying rats I just won't be able to give up. It's really starting to suck, REALLY.

rotcepsurt

All the Xbox exclusive DLC is happening for one reason in my opinion, Microsoft are seeing that the PS3 is almost catching/overtaking the Xbox 360 in console sales and they are starting to panic and throw money at big name games to get DLC to make them more appealing so they can get a few more sales. Didn't work with GTA 4 and won't work this time.

Thulsa

@slomo788: I have no doubt in my mind MS probably paid to make this DLC exclusive to the 360/PC, but to totally write it off as "DLC has never been substantial" and "Shivering Isles isn't DLC" is absolutely ridiculous.

rotcepsurt

DLC means Download Content. If you can download it, then it is DLC. That being said, I think I'll pass.

Substantial means they'll take a chunk that was meant to be in the game and they'll sell it outside of it.

That and this is Bethesda "Horse Armor" softworks. I think I'll just get it for PC if at all and enjoy the mods which will be more "substantial" and free.

Also, Does anyone still play GTA4? Is the people that got it on 360 merely due to the "Substantial" DLC having fun with it?

Unimpressive, either way.

Sei

This is good news for me, because I didn't even know there was a PS3 version planned :p

MehGinla

How come they're neglecting the PS3?

Is this *gasp* the Games for Windows and Xbox teams actually working together?

hahnchen

Holy smokes this game looks amazing. I loved the pre-planned events. And that bomb launcher at the end of the trailer -- WOW!

DugDawg

@rotcepsurt: "It sounds like you are trying to modify the definition of DLC just to defend the PS3."

I know right? And the PS3 is not even at fault here!

slomo788

@slomo788: I'm not laughing. I'm crying on the inside for him. ;(

rotcepsurt

BS. I could buy the PC version but I want to be able to trade-in my copy after I realize it gets as boring as Oblivion.

Replica23

@BretzE: And who decides if it's tiny enough? Do you look at the MB? Dude you were wrong and this argument is stupid. You buy a game, you download content for it after, it's DLC. M'kay? And yes, even expansion pack. DLC because you download and expansion because it expands on the game. A song in GH is an expansion pack and also a DLC. A map pack in Gears also is. New missions/quests for GTA/Fallout/Oblivion also are. Now just admit you were wrong so we can stop laughing.

slomo788

@BretzE: It sounds like you are trying to modify the definition of DLC just to defend the PS3.

@slomo788: @Strangelove: You guys wanna take a further shot at this? I give up.

rotcepsurt

Sounds like most of you guys are splitting hairs just to take a swipe at the PS3.

BretzE

@rotcepsurt

You are classifying it as DLC just because it can be downloaded. I am sorry, but I consider DLC as a small amount of added content that can only be obtained via download. DLC, for most games, is generally a tiny add on that gives you a bit more in the current game. Shivering Isles is a completely separate game. It has its own story and quests. It is classic expansion pack, just because its downloadable, doesn't automatically make it "DLC".

BretzE

@Zaos:

I've downloaded about 65 songs for Rock Band, more than was included with the game. That's pretty substantial.

@BretzE:

Um, could you download The Shivering Isles? Yes? And it added on to a previous hard-copy game? Yes? Then, by definition, it seems to be DLC.

Strangelove

'DLC' aren't important, free third-party modifications are.

Cigol

@BretzE: Anything you download to add to a pre-owned game is DLC, whether it's a song, an armor or extra 200 hours of gameplay.

slomo788

@BretzE: "You could buy it separate from the main game,"

You could, but you couldn't play it without owning the main game as far as I know.

rotcepsurt

@Gjerven: At least then one could blame the install base difference or the hardware challenges, but now?

slomo788

@BretzE: "Shivering Isles isn't considered DLC"

Really? So an expansion pack in the form of DLC isn't DLC, but horse armor in the form of DLC is?

rotcepsurt

@slomo

You could buy it separate from the main game, thus it is not considered solely DLC. Just because it could be downloaded, does not make it "DLC" in the same way as say, horse armor was.

BretzE

Sucks for the PS3 fans, I guess. I'm pumped for this and for any DLC it'll have. And for the record, I'm still definitely waiting for GTA IV DLC for my 360 and will be getting it the day it comes out.

DaPress

@gjerven

PS3 Oblivion didn't need the DLC as all the DLC that was released, prior to Shivering Isles, was included on the disc.

BretzE

@Zaos: Yeah after a while Oblivion becomes more like work.

@BretzE: So Shivering Isles is content meant to be downloaded but it's not DLC? What are you talking about?

slomo788

@Gjerven

The never even patched it.

DarkArcon

Not really surprised as Oblivion on PS3 never got any DLC, exept Shivering Isles. This is weak work by Bethesda, just weak.

Gjerven

Well it was 360 for me anyways since there's no online play, but damn what a low blow. I really hope they mean "timed" exclusive.

slomo788

@rotcepsurt

Shivering Isles isn't considered DLC, that is an expansion pack. DLC would be Knights of the Nine. KotN was great and all, but its a single quest that took about 2 - 6 hours depending on your level and things of that sort.

BretzE

@rotcepsurt: Oblivion is the same square mile regurgitated and then sprinkled on with random sprinkles like ice cream. I bet that massive world could have been 2x as large EASILY and still would have been openly as lame.

I guess you could say i was let down by oblivion :( It was fun for a few days, probably the most fun i've ever had on a game that only lasted me 2 days of true fun...but then it got to be a chore :(-

Zaos

why does ps3 get shit on in the DLC area? getting sick of this corporate eye-spitting poop.

NINgod

haha again M$ with the "we got exclusive DLC". Anyone still waiting for the GTA4 XB2 DLC now?

devilhunterx

I don't like the way this gen is going. With GTA IV and now Fallout 3, I hope this isn't a new trend.

Do know this, Bethesda, that if this is a substantial add-on, I will not buy Fallout 3 at all, because I don't buy incomplete games. Had to get that off my chest.

Grind_Axis

@Zaos: "No DLC has ever been substantial"

Oblivion's Shivering Isles begs to differ.

rotcepsurt

No DLC has ever been substantial, sorry fallout. I really am diggin your game Bethesda, really i am i promise, and im buying the collectors edition, but don't take that dirty $$ from microsoft to say substantial, it'll be your run of the mill DLC.

and i'll get it on pc anyway =p

Zaos

Why does Bethesda hate the PS3 so much?

DarkArcon

LAWL LAWL NONE FOR PS3

Foreign-Contaminant

Substantial?

Clamchop

So will it be one of those BUY OUR GAME NOW CAUSE DLC (even though the content won't come out until everyone has forgotten about the game) type of things like GTA IV?

I'd put money down that that is the case since they haven't even put a time frame on it.

cowondinosaur

is there any Oblivion content that X360 owners have that isn't available to PS3 owners? Me thinks this is bogus.

dadeisvenm

This sucks, but then again I never expected any DLC for this game.

I'm a huge fan of the Fallout series and if the DLC turns out to be substantial and the PS3 doesn't get any, then Ill just get the PC version (which will join 1 and 2 that I have) also.

cduran

@GreyFoxV1: Give this man a prize for this comment.

Eumenides

@hahnchen: I meant that it would be ruined if I picked the PC version over the PS3 version just because of this - because I can't play my PC on the sofa with 5.1 surround sound and a large screen. And here's the catch; If I picked the PS3 version over the PC version I wouldn't get the DLC. So the only way my experience isn't flawed in any way is to get both ;) That's the point.

Candlejack

PC version for me, well, after I pick up the originals and see if I even like them. I was way too into Diablo to care much about anything else that year.

Wolfers

I love how the system that is the least friendly in terms of HDD and addons get's the most exclusive DLC. Lame. This all but confirms I will get it on PC opposed to PS3.

Sammo21

wow, i just watdched the full fallout 3 trailer on live and i'm not as impressed with the game. The version they displayed at the conference looked better, the one in the trailer. not so much.

meltyman

The 360 good news just keeps on coming in.

XbhaskarX

come on sony

STEP YOUR GAME UP.

SAGA

No exclusive content for my ps3...

*joins fellow kotaku-ites* WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

oh wait.. i don't care...

maniacmayhem

@hahnchen:

God forbid!

While I agree that people who are going to play games should purchase them... My comment "God forbid!" got me thinking. Does this mean God & Jesus are pirates?.. or do they not play games because they "have lives."

Dennen

Cool, the console with the smaller hard drive gets the most of the DLC. Talk about deficiency.

gencid

@jfm3:Because purchasing PC products is a crime.

hahnchen

@TitillatedOcelot: haha, well it just keeps happening - I'm really surprised Sony hasn't tried to do anything about it yet.

robotleawesome

@Candlejack:How is your experience "ruined"? Isn't buying the game twice an ideal situation which even Microsoft didn't expect?

hahnchen

@infi: Because they like money.

Oyn

I just sent a polite email to Bethesda explaining my feelings, and how instead of purchasing a PS3 copy, I will instead be pirating the PC version. It was indeed nice and polite. I even gave them all my personal info in case they wanted to do anything about it.

jfm3

@infi: Because they'd like to make a profit. Face it.

On topic; I'm buying this for the PS3 and getting my hands on the PC version once the DLC comes out and if it's worth it. I'm not having my experience ruined by Microsoft opening the money bag, that's for certain.

Candlejack

@robotleawesome: weak...

TitillatedOcelot

@Dennen: "They will NEVER tell the consumer that it is Pointless, Small, Insignificant, etc."

Of course they wouldn't, but if you have both consoles and the game performs the same or close to the same on each console, I still don't see a reason to purchase the "gimped" version when you could purchase the one that will at least give you the option of purchasing the extra content if you deem it worthy once it is released.

rotcepsurt

I was going to pick the Ps3 version, so I'll pick the PC version now.

HelderP

so why do they even bother to get this out for consoles... this is a PC game.

infi

@rotcepsurt:

A PR driver will always name something "substantial" or some other form of word that makes it sound extraordinary.

They will NEVER tell the consumer that it is Pointless, Small, Insignificant, etc.

You can't trust them when they say specific words. These are the same exact people who will tell you a game is over 100 hours long, when you can pass it - playing at your own leisure and seeing all it has to offer - in about 20. The words of spokespersons has the elasticity of a cracker.

I just don't get the whole "exclusive content" bit.. Why sell a game knowing that it does not have all that you, the developer, wanted it to have. Then offer that up later as an exclusive download?... Were I a developer, I would want as many people as possible to see the hard work that was put forth into it by the entire team. Yet instead we get this. Developer makes game. Developer releases game. Developer releases content for 2/3 of the people who bought it. Other 1/3 collectively say things in jealousy or a lack of caring, while the rest of the group just sigh at this greedy proposition.

And that in itself just causes me to say that I no longer want to hear people, especially developers, claim that they make games because they love to. That they love to make things to entertain us in all their fantastical splendor of different worlds, different times, or different universes. No. For groups like Bethesda, it's no longer that when they sell exclusive downloadable content.

For groups like Bethesda, it has become "I make games because it gives me money. I do not care about the quality of my product. I do not care about keeping the product substantially equivalent to its predecessors in make, style, quality, capacity or capabilities. I will make a game, and I will hype it to increase revenue and create merchandise while the product is still hot. Your happiness is not an equivalent factor when equated with my or my companies wealth."

Dennen

Well I was going to pick up the 360 version so I quite happy about this news.

Stevetrop

Also PS3's new slogan has been announced

"PS3: the 360 version has more content."

robotleawesome

Wow, maybe I should get an x-box.

ShadowMoses

I already sprang for the ridiculous $120 version with pip-boy. I want nothing but ecstatic news from Bethesda from now until launch. I get a bit dizzy considering how much I'm spending for single titles these days (like $180 for Rock Band). Basically, I need about 100+ hours of entertainment from fallout 3.

ludwigk

@wicko: Lol, what a failure. Telling people to steal a game because one system has exclusive DLC over another. That'll show em!

I_Hate_This_Place

Uhm, er, sorry if you already now this but... the new trailer of Fallout 3 gave me a geek-gasm.

[www.gametrailers.com]

Fulgurator

Plus the main campaign is about 100 hours, so Fallout3 is shaping up to be a great game.

mikeha

PC wins!

Talleh

Does that mean the DLC will be available at launch, ie. content that could've been shipped with the game but was gouged out? Or does it just mean that they'll keep making stuff for the game after it launches? The latter is good to hear, the former is...decidedly less so.

Pantsman

Great, I was going to pick up the PS3 version because it has been refused classification here in Australia (and it will be cheap) but looks like I may have to buy a gimped version or try importing a PC version. Or download it. Man Sony are getting flogged this E3.

el_rezzo

Umm, Bethesda, why don't you show some love for your OTHER customers? Hell. Oblivion hasn't been patched to fix some of the game ending bugs yet. We don't have rumble for it either.

Amazon_Chris

As one of those lucky people with both a ps3 and an xbox, I have to say, I freaking hate Bethesda.

I preordered the special edition for ps3, but now, months after the preorders went live, I find out that the two editions arent equal.

I have both consoles. I dont freaking care which case I get. But now if I cancel my preorder I go to the end of the line on the 360 side.

Bad form, bethesda, bad form.

Braham

I think the difference between this and GTAIV is that GTAIV is a shitty, repetitive, and annoying open world actionish game. Fallout 3 should be a deep RPG.

If it's the same kind of "substantial DLC" like Oblivion I don't care.

KurtangleTN

Fuck this, and fuck Bethesda. I was really excited about Fallout 3, but not anymore.

For all I know the DLC could be complete shit, but it's the principle of the thing. Diablo 3 and Starcraft 2 will be taking up all my time anyway.

Legion329

@DarkArcon: seriously what is with the PS3 hate? lol.. I just don't get it. At least the system doesn't RROD every month :P

Viciouschan

@mikeha: Who said that? Don't believe everything you hear. Estimated times are normally cut in half from developer and producer 'claims' This means 50 hours. Knowing Bethesda, they are also counting any optional quests that really have no importance. This means that they added an estimated claim of 80 hours of 'bonus material' cut THAT in half and that's 40 hours. Subtract that from 50 and you have 10. Take out the time of cinematics and tutorial level and enter the fact that this is just Oblivion Sci-Fi Edition and you've got around like... 8 hours of actual straight-forward gameplay.

Now, the PC will probably be open to mods, meaning that they have infinite gameplay. XBOX blokes will be enjoying 'Horse armor' DLC while modders actually make something useful for the PC.

Metkis