I'd like to see them put in the Tesla. I'll never get to drive one in real life, but I'd love to see how it handles in the game. Calacanis says it's totally awesome. Bring it, Turn 10!

wild homes is being recast!

Honestly this is pretty logical. You look at games back on the PS2 or Xbox when they are first released and then you look at games towards the middle or even end of their lifespan and they look far better as well as doing more things. Console developers are amazing at squeezing extra power that they didn't manage the first time around and doing more with it. This generation of consoles are no different.

The Forza 2 i have to say was a great game. The visuals as others have pointed out could have been better and to be honest, i think they were early on in the development but later on they had to sacrifice some of that and the final product didn't really look as good. Still i don't think there was a better racing experience. The physics were great, the online was great and the custom paint jobs/tuning were great. I think its safe to say we can expect something good from Forza 3.

Walker

Oh yes, Forza 2 is still the best console racing sim around,
I cannot wait for the 3rd!

Horusz

Is that real blood or a few wasted bottles of TRU BLOOD?

Crippl3

I miss Che on EGM.

crunks

Can Forza force all data into just 1 disc instead two, please?

zkotaku

@Pablos102030: It's from Scanners, a classic horror/sci-fi flick.

ShaggE

Sounds great. However, the most important improvement for Forza 3 has to be the career mode. Both Forza 1 & 2 had a very boring series of races, that had to be completed before you could progress. They were too easy and very time consuming which lead to boredom.

They could leave the graphics and modelling engine exactly as it was in Forza 2 as far as I care, as long as they make the career mode fun.

IronsUK

Man.

That's how you sell a game.

justhesh

Will somebody please tell me where that pic is from? I've seen it everywhere but nobody seems to know. Sorry for posting off-topic.

Pablos102030

They should just make an exploding head game, I would play that.

NeVeRMoRe666

Wait a minute, wasn't Che Chou super excited for, and loved, Perfect Dark Zero?

heh, sorry, I couldn't help myself.

Sammo21

Well exactly Forza 2 is pretty ugly...which is something that makes me question what to expect when they "push" the hardware...maybe it will look nearly as good as grid, and not quite as good as GT5!

if codemasters were saying this I'd be excited....although most of what they say seems to come out of a small hole in their bum.

Rockzilla

With as great as the driving was in Forza 2, graphically it was unappealing to me because of how...clinical everything was. Other than that, it's a marvelous racing game. Makes me have super high hopes that when the real GT5 comes out it will be taking these things into mind.

Sammo21

I'm really glad to hear they're pushing the hardware, because while Forza 2 really delivered a top-notch experience-- and the fact the engine constantly rechecked the driving physics was aces-- the game wasn't a real looker. To be honest, it didn't look a whole load better than the first game, which was a suberb-looking game on the original XBOX. So Turn 10, just keep going with the progress, and up the visuals, and I'll be extremely pleased.

wild homes is being recast!

as long as pushing the 360 to the limits means a controllable camera during replays, then great. Hopefully we can get the drivtar back. Oh, the livery and auction house were great adds to your second game, hopefully you'll keep them the way they are.

gogators88

*pop*

screenfan

I want the point-to-point races from the first game, that were inexplicably cut from the second, back. If they do that, I will be happy.

Z4N5H1N

@wild homes is being recast!: That would be very cool.

IronsUK

@NeVeRMoRe666: It's called Gears of War 2.

Nexus6

So, are they going 1080p or individual blades or 3d rendered grass? ;)

Hope they pull the experience out of the bag - if they can do the weather thing, maybe have an arcade mode and build upon the auction system you have a win.

edhe (xbl)

@IronsUK:
Agree 100 percent. I'm at level 40+ in the game, and I just can't bring myself to play any more. When I got GRID, though, I couldn't stop playing.

notoriousEIC

Oh yes! Cant wait for Forza 3! (if that "really" is their next game). Hopefully they are giving the graphics an overhaul because that was the only thing in need of a polish, driving physics and everything else was perfect.
And please bring back point to point races! Thanks.

Btw.: i think GT5 looks butt-ugly... There, i said it. Saying that it pushes the limits of the PS3 must be a joke... PGR3 and 4 is way beyond it. And now Forza 3 is about to push the envelope.

Rexter

@photoboy: 60fps in exhange for plastic polish? Deal!

justhesh

@Z4N5H1N: @Rexter: Yes bring back point to point racing.

Gunloc

@Rexter: Perhaps you're referring to GT5 Prologue; because I assume you don't have a copy of GT5 yet, if you do please tell me where you got it.

And I wouldn't say its butt-ugly, that is just way rehearsed and something a fanboy would say. PGR3 and 4 were great games and looked great but compared to the sheer amount of cars that will be available in GT5 (going from experience with past installments); Its great to see how much detail they still put into EACH individual car. GT5P doesn't have the best visuals, but its by no means butt-ugly.

element7

@Rexter: examples of "butt ugly"ness or you are just trolling.

Netnavi

Sounds good. I didn't think Forza 2 looked bad by any means. The frame rate was solid and the cars were nicely detailed, but it did look a little plain in places I thought. So a more visually impressive game is certainly a bonus in my book.

What I would really love is for someone to combine realistic racing physics with some visually interesting tracks, like the track designs in Ridge Racer or OutRun2...

photoboy

are u people spastic smurfs?

I had goose bumbs playing GT5 prologue, the in cr view was intense, the driving physics are unparralled, sure you can't crash and stuff, but if you're a real racing enthusiast, crashing should be the last thing on your mind?

IM sorry but GT prologue's visuals are far from average, GT trumps forza in so many ways, i've never been amazed by foza, i prefer toca to forza by far i just play forza between Gran Turismo's

Anyways GT5 is the "Real Driving Simulator"

Prologues sales creamed forza's sales anyway

StrifeHawkins

@StrifeHawkins:

^^^ Then you're not a "sim" enthusiast. GT5:P is a great game, however, the physics, AI, and environmental textures are outclassed by MANY recent racing games.

There's just no REALISTIC argument to the above.

The cars in GT5 though, are second to none in looks. Something Forza 3 needs to meet or exceed.

Shandy706

Hopefully they will add some Anti Aliasing this time around.

AEREC

@Shandy706: But GT5 doesn't (or not to my knowledge) have the ability to make awesomely kick ass designs on your car either. I know in Forza 2, I had a car someone had painted up ala 300 style, with a spartan on either side and it looked AWESOME. Oh sure, there's no super duper high awesome detail down to every little gritty bump on the car, but when you can paint it with a big can of awesome, who cares?

Salen

@notoriousEIC:

For me, I'd put 800 laps in an endurance race in Forza2 before I put 5 laps in GRID. The driving in F2 is just too damned good and I wasn't too fond of the GRID demo (drifting is dumb). You could put Virtua Racer graphics in it, and I'd still think it's the bee's knees.

dunetiger reads kotaku, seems pleased

@Salen: a big can of awesome LMAO i love that and your right

phantam

a game is still a game emo, its just gt5 has way more emotional appeal, i probably have played more toca than gt, but i prefer gt.

StrifeHawkins

Grid is fine but i willl sell it in a few weeks, ive always had an urge to sell a codemasters game after a while, while gran turismo is always pure car porn. Still Have GT3 Aspec till this very day in working condition

StrifeHawkins

@ Ashcraft:

Just between you and me... how long have you been wanting/waiting to use that graphics? :)

...

I'm hoping that Che and crew are all part of something big. Forza 2 bought to the table an excellent simulator who some say that out-GT's GT technically. To think that they can take it to the next level visually and technically makes me excited but I'll keep my head from exploding till after I try it.

okenny :)

Tee-Hee!
[www.penny-arcade.com]

Tepoz

Okay, so we got the GT series for realistic autos, the Forza series for realistic racing, what about poor old Apex? Where's the racing business simulations?

Tepoz

Cool. Makes me want to go back and start playing more Forza 2. In fact, I think I'll do that now. Lates!

DARTH_TIGRIS

wow I hope there telling the truth because forza 1 was great, though if someone was going to do it, it was gonna be a 1st party Microsoft game.

mackattack93

@Rexter: WHAT THE FUCK?!
I'm gonna find you and cut you! GT5P has INSANE visuals. What's wrong with you?! Either your a troll or your playing on a tiny tv with the yellow wire unplugged.

IntelSilver

So a paid community manager is psyched for the third iteration of a game that he gave a perfect 10 to back when he was a journalist? WOW!!!

MSUSteve

@StrifeHawkins: I've pretty much stopped caring about commenting on posts on Kotaku, especially by trolls. But this particular post intrigued me and then I saw your comment about realistic physics in GT and I couldn't stop laughing. Mind explaining what you mean by good physics?

zlimness

@zlimness: They are all over the place on this friggin board man. You can't say a positive thing about Cliff B, but God forbid you say something about Kojima.

The real world ratio for 360 owners to PS3 owners is almost 2:1, on Kotaku its almost 1:1. Also I think PS3 owners have a larger chip on their shoulder this generation, so hence they are more vitriolic in their approach to comments. I still have not seen a PS3 owner give Microsoft props for the features they have brought to the table this generation.

Leobebes

@Leobebes:

I still have not seen a PS3 owner give Microsoft props for the features they have brought to the table this generation.

Of course you wont, they is why they are called FANBOYS.

Just as you wont see any props from the Nintendo or 360 camps either.

EnigmaNemesis

here's stuff being worked on here at Turn 10 that I simply can't talk about right now, but the progress we've made in the last six months has been absolutely incredible.

Good, so it will be the REAL Forza 2, and not that 1.5 knock off you tried to pass as Forza 2.

EnigmaNemesis

dude, i find crashing immature, you completely not understanding the gt concept. Turn off all the driving aids, use a race wheel turn the AI way up and you have one of the most uniquely challenging games of all time. Each car feels truly different, unlike forza where most cars feel the same and cars like the corvette dont handle or drive like their real life counterarts. in gt u get similar race times in compared to real life, and you actually hav to break prperly, unlike forza where you can do a turn at over 100MPH !

StrifeHawkins