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Guy Uses Astronomy To Determine Size, Density Of Azeroth
Posted by Luke Plunkett at 9:30 PM on July 2, 2008
Azeroth probably seems big when you're trotting across it, but have you ever wondered just how big? James Wallis did. James Wallis is also a huge nerd, and has used science (specifically, things like astronomy) to not only determine the actual size of the planet, but also its density and gravity as well. For the record, its gravity is almost the same as ours, so loot drops no faster or slower on Azeroth than it does on Earth.
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prym
Posted September 7, 2008 9:16 AM
Hi, I thought you might enjoy ‘fun with the minimap’
http://homepage.mac.com/prym/
I used an 'extracted' minimap to establish a distance scale for Azeroth and used it to measure velocity, and, interestingly enough the acceleration due to gravity. Also, using g and the view of Azeroth from Shadowmoon Valley in Outland I performed some elementary calculations of the size of Azeroth (R = 10.25 km) and its density (4.43×10^6 kg / m^3)
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4822672480&postId=61356263956&sid=1#212
AngryEddy
Posted 10:13 PM 2/7/08
@sundawn: I don't know. I have it on good authority that it'll kill us all. And that's not uneducated fear-mongering in the slightest.
AngryEddy
V.Volker
Posted 10:12 PM 2/7/08
Astrology? or Astronomy?
Astrology: The study that assumes and attempts to interpret the influence of the heavenly bodies on human affairs.
or
Astronomy: The science that deals with the material universe beyond the EARTH's atmosphere.
So in essence, Astronomy applies to bodies beyond Earth's atmosphere not Azeroth's. And how the hell would you be able to apply this to WoW if the surrounding celestial bodies are unknown?
quote:
"This means, if Azeroth really is a spherical planetoid with a diameter of 12 kms.."
That's until the next expansion... So theoretically it would be hard to come up with a concrete number because the world expands every time there is a new expansion.
This is something that only the most bored and anti-social human beings would fathom doing (How big is Azeroth?) WhoTF cares?
V.Volker
sundawn
Posted 10:07 PM 2/7/08
LHC does nothing thats not done by nature in much larger scales second by second day by day (cosmic rays colliding with earths atmosphere comes to mind). so nothing to worry about with the lhc up and running. in fact im thrilled about scientific results the lhc will provide.
sundawn
ChunkOFunk
Posted 9:58 PM 2/7/08
I thought the LHC was already up 'n running...
ChunkOFunk
AngryEddy
Posted 9:53 PM 2/7/08
Have you ever wondered if the person responsible for creating the device that ultimately destroys us all has already been born, and is currently walking among us? I only bring it up because I do. Often. That bringer of the End is likely this guy - who unknowingly postponed his doomsday device because the fates conspired to make something as useless as this destract him. Imagine how close we came to total ruin before this guy's nerdocity saved us all. Now all we have to worry about is when they switch on the Large Hadron Collider and strangelets run wild, turning the planet into a lifeless mass...
What? Go look it up - it's true.
AngryEddy
CaptMonkey
Posted 9:50 PM 2/7/08
@Shiryu: That's why he said he was checking the density as well. It's clearly different from that of Earth's due to the similar levels of gravity yet vast differences in size.
However, considering there's no indication of the distance you must travel east of the Eastern Kingdoms before you run into the west coast of Kalimdor, I'd question the accuracy of his findings.
CaptMonkey
DariusEnigma
Posted 9:49 PM 2/7/08
The extreme density of Azeroth would explain why it is impossible to pick up many objects from the ground, including ones that you have just dropped. As soon as a discarded object hits the earth we theorize that it picks up a thin coating of superheavy dirt, making it impossible to lift. Living creatures avoid the effects of this dirt sticking to their extremities by having evolved frictionless pads on the soles of their feet. This observable phenomenon, endemic to Azeroth, is known to virtual-world scientists and animators as "foot slide".
lol
DariusEnigma
DariusEnigma
Posted 9:47 PM 2/7/08
@ChunkOFunk: 500x the density of lead, apparently...
A little unsettling, really.
DariusEnigma
ChunkOFunk
Posted 9:45 PM 2/7/08
@Shiryu: Well... I guess the core of Azeroth could be some super-dense Mana-Crystal... >_>
ChunkOFunk
Eltigro
Posted 9:45 PM 2/7/08
@Shockeh: Yeah, poor Uranus... always destined to be the butt of all astronomy jokes.
Pun intended.
Eltigro
Zho
Posted 9:43 PM 2/7/08
One word: in-tense
Zho
Rakotto
Posted 9:38 PM 2/7/08
He definitely got bored in order to do this.
Rakotto
Shiryu
Posted 9:38 PM 2/7/08
Im a bit confused, how is the gravity the same as our planet, when I can literraly walk from one side to the other in an hour or so? That means Azeroth is a tiny spec comapred to Earth. The inner nerd inside of me is confused, but sadly, the working professional inside of me tells me its lunch time! What the hell am I still here,later. o/
Shiryu
Shockeh
Posted 9:38 PM 2/7/08
@Duoae: *Obligatory Uranus Joke* ;)
Shockeh
Duoae
Posted 9:37 PM 2/7/08
(specifically, things like astrology)
Title is right... but i don't think the position of Venus in Uranus really matters here... Or maybe i'm wrong :)
Duoae
Shockeh
Posted 9:36 PM 2/7/08
So does this mean that I'll be wasting my time shooting Boars in the countryside to grind for gold?
I suppose I could pay a Chinese person to do it for me, I guess...
Shockeh
Savior
Posted 9:33 PM 2/7/08
the last time i cared about something this much, it was the clinton sex scandal.
Savior
Danin
Posted 10:40 PM 2/7/08
"This is not quite as expected: though small celestial bodies typically have low gravity, for a planetoid of the size of Azeroth one would expect to see gravity of about 0.003 m/s² or, in the vernacular, buggerall."
Fuckin' brilliant.
Danin
DariusEnigma
Posted 10:19 PM 2/7/08
@AngryEddy: Are you a member of hte Flat Earth Society as well?
DariusEnigma
solar_tf
Posted 11:03 PM 2/7/08
brilliant :D
solar_tf
cyhborg
Posted 10:59 PM 2/7/08
when i see thought exercises like this i'm always reminded about the guy who estimated the velocity of an unladen swallow
cyhborg
Kyuu
Posted 10:58 PM 2/7/08
Well, he included Northrend in the calculation.
There's also a movie clip from a presentation he's held on this. The guy is pretty funny. :D
Kyuu
macr0planet
Posted 10:56 PM 2/7/08
"Daddy, Daddy!...what's a n00b?"
"Well honey, this guy is a n00b."
macr0planet
kseezy
Posted 11:36 PM 2/7/08
Waste of time or not, it's pretty brilliant. Bravo.
kseezy
cyruspowers
Posted 11:28 PM 2/7/08
You nubs, he uses astronomy the same way the Egyptians did. You don't have to walk the breadth of the planet to know its dimensions, you only need a measurable difference in displacement and the angle you're viewing the stars at. Also, the only continents currently known aren't necessarily diametrically opposite on another on the planet, there could be LOADS of ocean beyond what we see on the world map.
cyruspowers
Guild_Navigator
Posted 12:07 AM 3/7/08
I assume that the Gnomes, Dwarves and Humans must have units of measurement. Probably the Tauren too considering the pulley systems they use at Thunder Bluff. I do remember one gnome in the game referring to some unit of "arcane energy" measurement that they used. Forget what it was called though.
Guild_Navigator
placebofud
Posted 1:04 AM 3/7/08
@Eltigro: I don't know about that. I bet sometime in the next 612 years that astronomers will change the name to end that stupid joke. 8D
placebofud
ArgentAngel
Posted 1:37 AM 3/7/08
That was actually hilarious. A very good read.
ArgentAngel
cyr3n
Posted 1:26 AM 3/7/08
He actually applied his physics & astronomy know-how to good fun use.. that's cool. Give the man some props. =)
cyr3n
skrame ☆
Posted 1:10 AM 3/7/08
In the article Wallis states: "This confusing situation is analogous to the continent of America, which consists of the regions of South America, Central America and North America, the latter of which contains the country usually called America.
You would think that somebody as smart as him would know that there is no continent of America, and that North and South America are two different continents.
Doesn't he play Risk?
skrame ☆
realyst2k
Posted 1:55 AM 3/7/08
The article is humorously written too:P
At first when I read the summary I thought it meant he figured it was the same size as Earth.
Well....hmmm, seeing as it takes about 20 mins to circumnavigate the Azerothian Globe, those lil' gnomes can probably joke fast enough to zip past a B-2 bomber and have time to eat a sandwich, solve a rubik's cube and flip the bird.
But it seems he's inferring Azeroth is made up of super dense dirt :P
Quote:
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This means, if Azeroth really is a spherical planetoid with a diameter of 12 kms, that the planet must have an average density of roughly 5850 grammes per cubic centimetre. That makes its average density more than 500 times greater than lead. (I am indebted to Dave Morris for his assistance with these calculations.)
The extreme density of Azeroth would explain why it is impossible to pick up many objects from the ground, including ones that you have just dropped. As soon as a discarded object hits the earth we theorize that it picks up a thin coating of superheavy dirt, making it impossible to lift.
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Epic win :)
realyst2k
Defenestrated
Posted 2:18 AM 3/7/08
@cyhborg: Nice article there :) Also reminded me of a little graphical dissertation on Mims' "This is Why I'm Hot"
[www.villagevoice.com]
All of these are great work.
Defenestrated
hrabbit
Posted 4:11 AM 3/7/08
this is beyond nerdy... X'D
hrabbit
K-OSS
Posted 4:46 AM 3/7/08
well... it does make sense that if the sun is setting here, the sun is setting in Azeroth too...
K-OSS
Zombie_Crunch
Posted 4:44 AM 3/7/08
It is impossible not to find this funny if you know WoW.
Zombie_Crunch
cholinms
Posted 5:22 AM 3/7/08
@placebofud: Your right It's going to be changed to "Yourectum". See the prophecies called Futurama for more details.
cholinms
Suzaku
Posted 7:03 AM 3/7/08
You know, I hate to nerd up this even further, but I'm going to anyway. The guy needs to read up on some of the lore to get a better understanding of Azeroth's makeup and size.
There are globes in game which clearly show that the map we see only covers about 45% of the surface, while the rest is displayed as seemingly unexplored ocean.
There's also the fact that Azeroth doesn't have a conventional cores, but rather an inverse, internal world known as the Elemental Plains, with a star at the center. The Elemental Plains are divided into four regions, one for each of the standard Western elements (earth, fire, water, air).
The cosmology of worlds also works differently in Warcraft; the worlds are not in "space", but rather a sort of dimensional field called the Twisting Nether, and travel between worlds is conducted through dimensional gates or teleporting fortresses. Planets do not rotate and do not appear to orbit, and do not experience seasons. Rather, the climate varies drastically from one region to the next. Probably a result of the internal Elemental Plains.
Suzaku
MonsterMan
Posted 7:39 AM 3/7/08
@ChunkOFunk: "I thought the LHC was already up 'n running..."
Goes online next month. But it won't be up to full power for several months. So we have time to prepare for the coming zombie apocalypse it will hopefully create. I'm keeping my fingers crossed anyway.
MonsterMan
WarlockSoL
Posted 8:33 AM 3/7/08
@Suzaku: Actually, the Elemental Plane is another planet, not the core of Azeroth.
Regardless, Blizzard has already said numerous times that WoW is an approximation of the world. Obviously you can't have a game where it takes DAYS to travel between locations. So all calculations by this guy are completely pointless.
WarlockSoL
Chewbenator
Posted 9:09 AM 3/7/08
Hahah there so much awesome in that article it's overwhelming. A female taurent named Rula is the measuring stick with precise measurements taken by the research guild .
Chewbenator
PSWii60-14
Posted 5:20 PM 3/7/08
omg, its a video game! who gives a **** about density and gravity of a planet that was developed and thought up in a game studio. Use those science skills and contribute to society and get a life! GOD
PSWii60-14
gomerkyle9
Posted 2:10 AM 3/7/08
@AngryEddy: Don't fear the collider.
gomerkyle9
pikakhu
Posted 9:38 PM 2/7/08
I think you meant astronomy? Astrology has nothing to do with science.
pikakhu
stranger
Posted 5:36 PM 6/7/08
@V.Volker: Maybe if you actually read the article the link posts to you'd be able to answer your own question? Or discover humor, either way...
Btw- taking the definition of a term and repeating it verbatim does not denote intelligence. It denotes plagarism. And to answer your other question: WhoTF cares? You do. Otherwise, why the post?
stranger