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Listen To The Secret Tecmo Tape
Posted by Brian Ashcraft at 12:20 PM on July 25, 2008
Yesterday, we broke the news that the second round of oral arguments for Itagaki vs. Tecmo commenced in Tokyo. Dead or Alive creator Tomonobu Itagaki is suing for unpaid DoA 4 wages. These were "special incentive" wages that Itagaki claims were agreed to by the former Tecmo president and the board of directors, but the current president is claiming these "special incentive" wages were made single-handedly by the former president and not approved by the Tecmo board. As we posted earlier, last month Itagaki left Tecmo and filed suit for unpaid bonuses. As Itagaki stated then, "President Yoshimi Yasuda chose not only to violate this agreement, but also turned defiant, telling me 'if you are dissatisfied with the decision not to pay the bonuses, either quit the company or sue it.'"
After the jump, we've posted an audio recording submitted into evidence by Tomonobu Itagaki. The recording is of Tecmo president Yoshimi Yasuda and Ninja Gaiden II producer Yoshifuru Okamoto on January 22nd of this year. It was secretly recorded by Ninja Gaiden II producer Okamoto as he claims he was being harassed and called names by president Yasuda. In the recording, Yasuda says, "The board of directors approved it and signed the ringi (a type of Japanese corporate approval form)". This is in direct conflict with Yasuda's court claim that this "special incentives" proposal was made single-handedly by the former president and not approved by the Tecmo board. The recording helps support Itagaki's claim that his special incentive bonus was approved by Tecmo's former president and the board of directors, and that the current president knows this.
For those who are interested in following the Japanese transcript click here. Along with the audio recording, we've included an English translation of the entire conversation Kotakuite Chinpokomon so graciously did. Many thanks for that, Chinpokomon!
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The sound quality is of course rough, so you might need to pump up the volume.
Yasuda:
Ok, man, so you definitely won't talk? If you promise not to, I'll talk. Don't say anything, man.
Ok, so I'll turst that you're a real man and will keep your promise.
Itagaki was keeping the Super Incentive from DOA4 all to himself.
You didn't know it, but I was really fighting with that guy.
He got 150,000,000 Yen. And, none of that was approved by the board of directors.
And, how should I put this.... So, Nakamura-san said that if DOA4 doesn't come out by the end of the year, it'll be big trouble. And Itagaki, well, Nakamura-san knows that... Well, guys like Itagaki are pretty easy to figure out. He's a control freak.
And, since he can't control me, me and him were fighting.
And, the Super Incentive bonus, well that's actually different from the normal incentive bonus.
And, it's only for group managers.
Okamoto:
That's an impressive name. Super Incentive...
Yasuda:
Yeah, Development Manager Incentive, there's also a paper and everything (?)
But, it hasn't been passed by the board of directors.
Even so, Nakamura-san (promised it?), to Kanematsu, and to me.
I used to be a group manager right? Also to Kikuchi, and to Itagaki. So, he clearly promised that this incentive was just for Itagaki, and as a result, Itagaki's all happy and busting his ass.
So, then when I became the company president, what pissed of Itagaki the most, was that Nakamura-san was no longer around, and the Super Incentive was revoked. 150,000,000 Yen
Okamoto:
But, you say it was revoked, but it wasn't even approved by the board of directors, right?
Yasuda:
Yeah, so they approved it and signed the ringi. However, the Chief of the board wasn't there at the board meeting where Nakamura-san reported on this plan.
Okamoto:
hmmmm
Yasuda:
So, yeah, there was all that stuff.
And so, when Itagaki is going on about whether he'll quit or not, it's not some thing cool like that, he's actually just saying are you going to pay me the Super Incentive, or not.
He actually already promised it to his wife.
Also, so, how should I put this. Umm, so he said his previous company was really cheap, and that even a company like ours, he said it was all because of him that it was able to come as far as it has, so he said he deserved the Super Incentive. So, I'm telling you this for the first time, Okamoto, but the truth is at that time, me and him really had it out.
Okamoto:
Oh, so that's how it happened.
Yasuda:
The truth is at that time, I was really against it, Nakamura-san's proposal.
Okamoto:
Right at the same time (as when you were arguing with Itagaki???) ?
Yasuda:
Yeah. I was against it. The reason why is because... well, everything I said is all in the meeting record, but anyway. If everyone recieves the incentive, that's fine, by why should you, and you alone get it? Isn't everyone working on the game?
To which he replied, "You're like Lenin. You're a communist. This isn't like that, right?"
Oh, and one other thing.
Hey, I can trust you right? Definitely do not pass this on.
Okamoto:
Y, Yes.
Yasuda:
So there's a thing called "Revokation awards", and it's like a retirement pension. One of the perks of being a board member. During the year, if you are fired, you get somewhere between 100,000,000 and 120,000,000 Yen. I did away with that entirely.
And why did I do that? Because it just doesn't work (we don't have enough money to go around???).
So when I told him this, he said that even after hearing me say such a thing to everyone, that he still needed to do what he had to do, and that he was very particular on the subject. (???)
So, anyway, that was his strange response to what I said.
He wasn't even praising the company president. Go ahead, take your share. Just give me mine too.
So, that was the timing of all this.
At that time, it was when you, and Kanematsu as well, were telling me that if we didn't give Itagaki the incentive, that he would quit, and that our company would be screwed without him.
And I told you, no, it's not like that. Even in the rare event that he did go away, I told you that your job was to work out something with the company president.
So, yeah, that was the timing, right before the infamous drinking party, where at the banquet you praised Itagaki so much.
You told me something like, "Itagaki's looks down because of our new company president", or maybe I misunderstood you.
Also, when I explained my fundamental philosophy to you, I guess I did a bad job. There are plenty of employees who say, "If Okamoto-san's on board, I'll do my best!" But, after that, everyone wonders "Why doesn't Okamoto-san stand up?" So, everyone was saying that someday that day would come.
Truth is, there were just so many things that piled one on top of the other.
So, do you know why Itagaki was following me at that time?
So, yes, it's true that it hasn't passed the board of directors, but since it had been decided and communicated, it would be unfair to Itagaki if he didn't get some sort of bonus, even if the current scheme didn't work out exactly.
So, at that time I thought about it a long time. If we split this payment out over 20 years. 150,000,000 Yen over 20 years, we could get away with paying out just 10,000,000 yen per yer. So I told him that I would speak with the board chief about it. To that guy.
And then all of the sudden, since he's such a money grubber, he's dead inside. He started whining "Mr. President, Mr. President!"
And this came up a second time at the drinking party.
Okamoto:
Oh.
Yasuda:
And, after that, Itagaki consulted with the board chief, and the board chief said he would definitely not pay it, and they really started fighting. Saying it was fucked up, and how the board chief screwed up by making me President.
Note: Chinpokomon wrote above his translation, "...there are a lot of cases where I'm unable to follow the context, so I just did the best I could.
I also think these conversations occurred over a few beers, as the're using informal language, and Yasuda's kind of rambling."

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Tyrannical
Posted 3:26 PM 25/7/08
Itagaki went to Waseda University and graduated from it's School of Law on March 1992. Who would have guessed?
I bet Yasuda forgot about that little fact.
Tyrannical
tyrannosaurus.drew
Posted 2:46 PM 25/7/08
This is really none of our business.
tyrannosaurus.drew
royaljester
Posted 2:44 PM 25/7/08
Legally, this disproves Itagaki's main point because the recording indicates the plan was never formally approved by the board. "Almost approved" is Itagaki's legal case, which wins him sympathy because he was morally betrayed, but not legally. Any bonus of that amount requires formal approval by the board, and apparently due to a technicality they don't have it.
Morally, they should pay him something. But once Itagaki decided to sue on this, he's decided to go the legal route where moral arguments no longer matter. I think the best he can get now is some compromise.
This tape just makes Itagaki and Tecmo both look bad. I feel for Itagaki and how he believed he would get what the former President promised. And the disappointment of his wife. I think his personality turned what was originally a one sided mistake into a bridge burning contest.
It's clear Yasuda did everything in his power to help Itagaki, and Itagaki acknowledged that. The botched plan wasn't Yasuda's fault, and Itagaki owes him a serious apology for assuming otherwise. But of course, after making accusations against everyone rather than the key individuals involved, I don't see that.
royaljester
Spartan1308™
Posted 2:38 PM 25/7/08
@RyuriTatsujin: Or you could just operate with INTEGRITY.
Spartan1308™
RyuriTatsujin
Posted 2:18 PM 25/7/08
note to self...strip down every employee before they come into my office to speak with me...
RyuriTatsujin
peacefuloutrage
Posted 2:17 PM 25/7/08
Basically, this is the story:
Itagaki was promised money for meeting certain goals with DOA4. He worked met those goals. After he put in his work, he was hosed on the deal.
Itagaki doesn't sound like an asshole to me. It looks like when the company made some attempt at paying him what he was owed (even at a ridiculously slow rate) he was fine with it, but after they reneged he was justifiably pissed off.
We still don't know the whole story, you are hearing only this conversation from someone who doesn't think to highly of Itagaki. It has been close to 2 years after this game was released, which was plenty of time for Itagaki to make more amiable attempts at getting his money. He was being reasonable. I know if someone owed me $10,000 and decided to pay me $42/mo over 20 years, I'd give them a piece of my mind. And for Itagaki to have the support from his coworkers, there is a lot to this story we are not getting. They we're being paid properly as well. They could have given him and the other workers a huge royalty from a download-able game from a small team of programmers, costing them a lot less than any bonus. Like updating Rygar and releasing it on PSN or XBLA or something. Instead they ended up giving them nothing.
So, picture this. In order to get this bonus (which is a percentage of profits, presumably) he spends long hours at work away from his family with the rest of his team. Even though they love what they do they put in a lot of hard work. At the end of the project, not only does Itagaki not get his bonus, the team gets no overtime pay. That has got to suck.
peacefuloutrage
AndroidKing
Posted 2:11 PM 25/7/08
they're
AndroidKing
AndroidKing
Posted 2:10 PM 25/7/08
They sound like their in high school.
AndroidKing
suya123
Posted 1:48 PM 25/7/08
OBJECTION!!!
..Err umm lost my train of thought there...
suya123
RazorandBlade
Posted 1:39 PM 25/7/08
So if Im getting this right. It should of been passed but one person wasnt there to sign it (Most of the board signed it).. it was pretty much 99 percent of the way there.. itagaki was promised the money until the new person took lead. He then abolished this and itagaki got mad and quit? Sounds like it. Im rooting for itagaki.
RazorandBlade
Kiyosuki
Posted 1:36 PM 25/7/08
Well that answers my question in the first posting of this topic...
It's strangely good to know that the legendary reputation of Itagaki's personality isn't just for show. No matter how crazy or shameless Itagaki himself is though this tape really does do its job of effectively disproving everything Yasuda claimed in court.
Though...the fact this recording was done secretly without Yasuda knowing, almost like a type of spying... isn't there a chance that could be discounted as evidence on those grounds? Or the defense could at least move towards that?
Kiyosuki
R3load
Posted 1:23 PM 25/7/08
Sigh, one of the most important things a child can learn from their parents growing up is to learn when to shut the hell up. This can be good evidence for Itagaki.
R3load
Helkaurain
Posted 1:22 PM 25/7/08
@Neer'mo:
If I'm reading these articles right, Yasuda said the board never signed Itagaki's Super Incentive and claimed that he never called Itagaki a money-grubber. This tape disproves both of those claims.
Helkaurain
Guitaratomik
Posted 1:20 PM 25/7/08
That is super juicy!
Guitaratomik
Neer'mo
Posted 1:13 PM 25/7/08
This gives me an entirely different impression and I can't understand why Itagaki would submit this as any kind of evidence. It seems to make him look bad no matter which way I read it.
Neer'mo
Your-Face-Has-To-Be-A-Lie
Posted 1:08 PM 25/7/08
I see Doa 5 with flat chested women :(
Your-Face-Has-To-Be-A-Lie
Spartan1308™
Posted 1:05 PM 25/7/08
@Ultrasinc: No, it sounds like he was jealous of the super double secret bonus that Itagaki was supposed to be getting.
Spartan1308™
nip
Posted 1:04 PM 25/7/08
Pay Itagaki his money, thats all that needs to be said from this point on
nip
DARTH_TIGRIS
Posted 1:03 PM 25/7/08
Time for .... SEPPUKU!!!!
DARTH_TIGRIS
T-Mac
Posted 1:01 PM 25/7/08
The best part is he promised the money to his wife. Wouldn't it be grand if this whole lawsuit came about because his wife kept pressing him cause she wanted to go get some new purses or shoes.
T-Mac
Ultrasinc
Posted 12:57 PM 25/7/08
Eh? Where's the name calling part? It sounds more like Yasuda was trying to work something out so that the company didn't run out of money...
Ultrasinc
Clarke
Posted 12:57 PM 25/7/08
I hope this doesn't conflict with Dead Or Alive Online.
Clarke
Chinpokomon
Posted 12:53 PM 25/7/08
@Zerozaki Ishiki:
I think you're right. "He's a money grubber, so as soon as I said I would speak with the board chief, he started calling me shacho respectfully all of the sudden"
Thanks!
Chinpokomon
Jhongerkong
Posted 12:50 PM 25/7/08
Yasuda: "You've got no proof of me saying anything"
Itagaki: *Presses R, then X* "OBJECTION!"
Jhongerkong
cookiesareafriend
Posted 12:46 PM 25/7/08
Wouldn't it be nice if developers were paid based upon a combination of sales and review scores rather than a steady Salary?
Currently, all you really need to do is avoid getting fired and having your studio shut down.
Random, but it certainly would give dev's more incentive to work.
cookiesareafriend
Mundetiam
Posted 12:45 PM 25/7/08
Wow. I suppose Okamoto was in league with Itagaki the entire time. Nice way to double-whammy Yasuda and I'm going to enjoy hearing what he has to say in response.
Mundetiam
Zerozaki Ishiki
Posted 12:42 PM 25/7/08
Sort of feel sorry for Yasuda. Sounds like, according to him, he was trying to work something out and the board chief fucked him.
My listening comp definitely isn't up to Yasuda's speed, but I do think the tone of the translation gets off a bit - Yasuda's deal seemed to satisfy Itagaki, which is why he began calling him "shacho" and respecting him, and then the board chief turned down that deal too and Itagaki lost it.
Zerozaki Ishiki
VengefulRonin
Posted 12:42 PM 25/7/08
Wooo, this stuff is good enough to be on a TV show. I don't like Itagaki, but he's dead on when he says the company couldn't have come as far without him. His franchises are the only noteworthy things from Tecmo, if they don't appease him somehow they're really going to be hurting in the future.
VengefulRonin
Chinpokomon
Posted 12:42 PM 25/7/08
Thanks for posting my translation, Brian!
Howver, I must say that after hearing the tape, there are some definite places where I've screwed up.
Ah well, such is life. I don't have the energy to go back and fix them now.
Chinpokomon
art_zombie
Posted 12:42 PM 25/7/08
The more that comes out on this the more it seems to side in Itagaki's favor (since he didn't have much of a positive character to assassinate) but I wish he'd have to sweat at least a little bit at some point, you know, for making me fight that cheap as hell DoA4 boss so many freakin' times.
art_zombie
KennyLanzJr
Posted 12:41 PM 25/7/08
Nice translation, much props to Chinpokomon. Itagaki will most likely be victorious in this battle.
KennyLanzJr
dead_red_eyes
Posted 12:41 PM 25/7/08
Great job Chinpokomon, I read what you translated in the last Tecmo vs Itagaki article. Mighty nice of you to do that.
dead_red_eyes
Jun581 won't give you tree fiddy!!
Posted 12:40 PM 25/7/08
@Ashurahori: Oh Indeed very interesting. Very Interesting Indeed. huh? circular writing.
Anyway, this is better than anything shown on Fox.
Jun581 won't give you tree fiddy!!
paeper
Posted 12:39 PM 25/7/08
This just got a whole lot more interesting.
paeper
SpishackCola
Posted 12:37 PM 25/7/08
I need more popcorn over here. Ok, continue! /waiting for next post about trial
SpishackCola
Interstella5555
Posted 12:33 PM 25/7/08
It's never good when you're on tape...
Interstella5555
ThatsMrOffDutyNinja
Posted 12:31 PM 25/7/08
Neat read, all the dram is unfolding, nicely we see.
ThatsMrOffDutyNinja
isobelle
Posted 12:31 PM 25/7/08
anyone else flashing back to episodes of Sweet Valley High here?
No? Just me? k
isobelle
sandal-hat17
Posted 12:31 PM 25/7/08
Ummm... I guess I can see where Itigaki would be pissed, but who wouldn't?
sandal-hat17
eastshore4
Posted 12:31 PM 25/7/08
Of course after the inital hearing, Itagaki will have to make his plea to a robotic clone that copies all of his moves.
eastshore4
Ryuzaki
Posted 12:31 PM 25/7/08
I think this kind of info is not of our concern. I'll be cool if Itagaki give a hint of were and in what he will be working next.
Ryuzaki
Ashurahori
Posted 12:28 PM 25/7/08
Interesting...
Ashurahori
paulmcg
Posted 3:55 PM 25/7/08
@RyuriTatsujin: Somehow I don't think that's a good way of avoiding law suits.
paulmcg
Foxstar Sixtail
Posted 5:35 PM 25/7/08
@tyrannosaurus.drew:It's news. Don't read it, but comments like that get people nuked. Playstation, bless his little fanboy heart now no longer comments on Kotaku because of his comments which were much akin like yours. It's rather important news about a lawsuit which deals with a rather well known developer and his publishing house, who are you to say it's none of our business. Use your back button instead of the comment box if you don't like the posts the editors make. Hard work has gone into this so kindly be silent.
@Ryuzaki:See my comments above.
Foxstar Sixtail
Murgatron
Posted 6:06 PM 25/7/08
This is getting really juicy. It feels like reading the script to a movie. My favorite part:
"Yasuda: Hey, I can trust you right? Definitely do not pass this on.
Okamoto: Y, Yes."
I love how he stutters when he says "yes". I'd like to imagine he's thinking "OH EM GEE I'M TOTALLY PUTTING WHAT YASUDA'S ABOUT TO SAY ON THE INTERWEBS WHEN I GET HOME LOLOLOLOL!!!!!!" between the "Y," and "Yes."
@Ashurahori: "Interesting..." = "FIRST!!!", no?
Murgatron
Foxstar Sixtail
Posted 6:46 PM 25/7/08
@unleashbass:It's news. Current news. I doubt he knows at all about the topics posted about him. If you don't like it, don't read it.
Foxstar Sixtail
unleashbass
Posted 6:39 PM 25/7/08
I'm sick of seeing this guys face on Kotaku every day. He seems to think he's a rockstar or something. Sorry to burst your bubble dude but, your not. You still crap out the hole as the rest of us.
unleashbass
L___E___T
Posted 7:14 PM 25/7/08
I also find Itagaki annoying, I think he's generaly overrated and brash and slightly arrogant, but that's not the point.
The point is, he worked out a (silly) deal, which the company then backed out on. Maybe it was an unrealistic deal, and maybe Itagaki doesn't deserve it all to himself, but the fact (according to the above) is that it was signed and agreed and that's what will matter in the end.
L___E___T
Barts
Posted 8:59 PM 25/7/08
I expected Itagaki sex tape on which he bangs one of Tecmo girls in the office or something...
I am thoroughly disappointed now.
Barts
tannhauser
Posted 10:37 PM 25/7/08
With all due respect Brian...
Who cares?
This is all a legal problem that should be dealt with in private. I care about games, not about corporate drama.
Come on Kotaku, you are better than this!
F
tannhauser
Channing
Posted 11:20 PM 25/7/08
@tannhauser:
I care.
On the opposite side of your argument I could say that I don't care about your posts and so you shouldn't write them. If I said that, wouldn't I come off as condescending and rude? Yes, I would. You come off that way.
I care about games but I also care about the people behind the games. The developers, the localizers, etc. For example, some people think Atlus MAKES all the games they bring over here (here being America). Some people just don't care about anything but the games - but this is why I enjoy Kotaku so much. Kotaku goes beyond the surface and digs deeper than other gaming sites.
Obviously, if one of our very own kotakuites is going to go ahead and translate this for us, people care.
Channing
Foxstar Sixtail
Posted 11:14 PM 25/7/08
@tannhauser:If you don't care, don't read about it.
Foxstar Sixtail
Vectortuff
Posted 12:38 AM 26/7/08
@tannhauser: yeah dude i like to know about it! if you dont like it dont read it! now where going to have bans on what people write! come on .... SON!!!
Vectortuff
fuchikoma
Posted 1:05 AM 26/7/08
That's very interesting, thanks for the translation. This is the first time in this conflict I've seen Itagaki's case may not be as cut and dry as it seems. Of course Yasuda would be lying a bit, but I don't see why to assume that here yet...
I don't really know who's at fault now - it sounds like a mess really.
Though I think if the old prez promised the bonus to Itagaki, the company should pay it if they can. 10M円 per year sounds quite reasonable to me. That's almost $93K USD. Then, maybe the promise shouldn't have been made in the first place.
I do think Itagaki is kind of Tecmo's nucleus though. If he leaves AND sues them... well, I hope they don't just fold and vanish. Maybe Fatal Frame and Gallop Racer will help a little?
fuchikoma
gencid
Posted 1:38 AM 26/7/08
Why am I not surprised of hearing this? I really hated Itagaki and still do, but to be fair, a promise is a promise. It's not up to Itagaki to do Tecmo's accounting. If they didn't have that kind of money, they should have never promised him anything.
gencid
Brian Crecente
Posted 4:14 AM 26/7/08
@tannhauser: It's news. If you'd rather read fluff and press releases, perhaps another site would be a better fit for you.
Brian Crecente
Brackynews
Posted 7:39 AM 26/7/08
SUPAAAA INSENTIBUUUU RAWWWSUUUUTSU!
Just make-up. ^_-
Brackynews
Xiedo
Posted 10:15 AM 26/7/08
@tannhauser: May I suggest[kotaku.com] ? Or perhaps [kotaku.com] ?
PS: Check the link info and you'll get it.
Xiedo
kftgr
Posted 10:12 AM 26/7/08
@Chinpokomon: Thanks for the translation...and lol @ your name. You should make an avatar based on your name :)
kftgr
orakga
Posted 11:51 AM 26/7/08
Wow, Chinpokomon. That's some mighty good translation, especially considering the overall audio quality. I even tried to listen to it the second time around, while listening to your translation, and I still couldn't get all of it.
Bokunanka kouyuuno honyakusuruniha jyuunen hayaidesu~~ =(
orakga
Barts
Posted 2:29 AM 27/7/08
@Brian Crecente: Umm, I agree with you Brian, but isn't banning tanhauser a bit too much? After all, he just voiced a critique in acceptable manner. It was not trolling "not news" post and he's been around for quite some time, so why ban him?
Barts
djHEAT
Posted 3:18 AM 27/7/08
Man, this is like a tv show or something.
djHEAT
Alphavillain
Posted 3:42 AM 27/7/08
Why was Okamoto recording in the first place? That is the important question. Obviosuly team NINJA staff do not trust their bosses to a great extent. Anyway, the damage has been done now... :(
Alphavillain