Another Mario and Zelda?.............great........:\.....

Sigh.
It hurts to say, but I really am starting to hate Nintendo.

mackincheese

"We'll hope that they're working on, you know. New Mario & Zelda games. And not Wii Cook or something."

Hehehe. So funny because it's so frighteningly possible.

After Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess I get the feeling it will be a while till another 'core' entry in either of the series - but I can't wait to see what they come up with next.

sir_carrot

@Solid_hedgehog:

Umm, the N64 is the best console, ever.

Anywho. They should have everyone working on the new Zelda, forget everything else.

Muisee

@Rajolae: Dude, if you're going to flame the thread at least choose metaphors that make sense.

humorbot

People do realize Nintendo is making the same games over and over. It's called continuity.

Plan303e

@TheIrishNinja: Samus and Master Chief at the Olympics... God the list can go on...

Maniclysane

they needed to announce something, that press conference was horrible, i dont ever remember seeing one that bad to that degree from the big 3.

nip

@Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic: Yeah Nintendo pulled unexpected reveals during past E3s (Brawl anyone?) so I still have my fingers crossed for something exciting before the trade show is over.

kouhotaru

Gotta keep that gravy train flowing somehow, because eventually people are going to wake the fuck up and realize the wii is a pile of liquid ass. Then again, Nintendo would also need to wake up and quit putting out the same game over and over, lest people realize that they are doing just that.

Rajolae

This announcement was the best of all today! Who would have thought that another Mario or Zelda game would come out in the future?

tomrutters

Oh and bungie is hard at work on a new project too! I would really like to see a new Zelda. One that is just for the Wii. They definately have something in dev.

Numlock

Man, if I were el Presidente of Nintendo, I would make magic happen.

Deft_One

Shovelware is like sex. It sells, and stupid people don't realize what a horrible purchase they've made until after they get herpes.

sarcasmOD

I think the better question is, why does everyone that works at Nintendo worship the devil?*

*That may not be true. I'm bored.

mcmurder

@Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic: Though I will agree that Nintendo's keynote was a dud. Frankly Sony's was lacking as well...though I appreciated seeing the PSP support.

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic

Shiggy is such a slave driver

phextin

C'mon guys. You should all know by now that Nintendo likes to announce things in their own good time. They've taken this approach for years. There may be a few show surprises yet, but either way I'm confident Nintendo will roll out something genuinely welcome or exciting this year...they always do.

Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic

Nintendo always seems to have the most random/underwhelming conference.

Remember when they first debuted the Wii? They were like, check out this white box! Ok that's enough for now, come back next year.

This statement about the teams being 'hard at work' reminded me of that.

JimElNino

I think they should work with Ubisoft and create Imagine: Mario and Link.

Shindokie

Even Gamecube and the 64 era was better than this crap.

Solid_hedgehog

@fillerbunny9:

The princess has Vagina dentata.

Luckyjim

I do remember from the Iwata Asks series that a few of the Zelda team was actually working on Wii Fit when it was in development, so I don't really hold much hope that both of these teams working means we're going to see a new game in either of those franchises.

nick.soapdish

@zyph: Last year we had all those games. You do know how long it takes to make a game?

What do you want them to show? concept art?

VakeroRokero

So um. I think it's safe to say that Microsoft and Harmonix have won E3 '08.

justhesh

Not even a pikmin sequel.
I feel like Nintendo just ran off with my best friend.
I loved you Nintendo! I supported you through those horrible Gamecube years! WHY?! *Sobs.*

Yadama

somehow, i dont believe them

bigman88zz

I have a bad feeling about this....

KingGorilla

Mario & Link at the Olympic Games. *sigh*
How many years must one wait for an F-Zero game?!

Ryūko

Something weird is happening when there's no Mario, Link, or Samus game footage during the main Nintendo conference. Not even a CGI trailer. There wasn't even a crappy Mario Party sequel.

zyph

That's what bothered me the most about today's conference. Reggie told us that there was something for the hardcore to chew on and Iwata was just about to tell us what it was. This will just make TGS more painful considering that you KNOW Nintendo's going to skip it again.

RRRansom

I wouldn't be surprised if Wii Cook was being worked on. Sounds like something Nintendo would like to make. :/

Santa_Lock22

I don't want new Mario or Zelda games, I want some new Nintendo games with new characters or at least starring some of the lesser used ones bar a appearance in Smash Bros.

Emiat

Mario & Link: at the Olympics. make it happen.

TheIrishNinja

@fillerbunny9: Super Mario: Post War Pensions (with included Amputee peripheral)

Solidius

oh god, where is Mario's right hand?!?!

fillerbunny9

I heard they were reassigned to the casual/shovelware department.

PirateKeef

@VakeroRokero: Actually the Zelda game was a launch title, and considering the last month or two had to be testing, debugging, and disc printing (meaning a lot of the team was free) they'd have enough time to be able to show *something* if they really wanted, it's just that they feel no need to since they can cart out the next iteration of Wii (Fill in the Blank) and sit on it ad infinitum.

Nirolak

Think about it, guys: with Nintendo's current "let's make our games stupid so stupid people will buy them" strategy, do you REALLY want them to start making new franchises? They should just stick to what worked (or rather, what didn't work) for the Gamecube.

Jorw

@ƒox: seconded

sarcasmOD

@Furious_Liver: touche hahaha......but it is fun, lol.

valhum

@Foreign-Contaminant: Can someone please ban this goddamn retard already? Look at his comment history: he's been doing nothing but spew diarrhea all over ever article he posts in for the last few days. Kotaku, please restore my faith that you actually give even the slightest shit about what anyone posts anymore.

ƒox

@ImBigBob: Exactly.

mackincheese

I'm a bit sick of Mario, Zelda, and Metroid at the moment. How about something new? Or at least a revival of something old? Kid Icarus? Punch-Out? F-Zero? Come on.

ImBigBob

@valhum: Playing a game where you spend 20 hours in a room in a dungeon before some guy comes and breaks you free......doesn't sound like too much fun to be honest.

Furious_Liver

Working hard you say? Ok, the nerdrage has died down a little then.

Thorax

@Aflack: Likes slushies: I've been playing with the idea that there should be a new Zelda where the main character is uhmm ZELDA!! lol. Picture some sort of thingy that took Link away and now Zelda has to go and save him, doing all the shit Link does but much much more cooler. She could go Sheik and all. And in the end she fight with some bitch and Zelda says "Release Link you BITCH!!!"

Ok, very Alienish, lol.

valhum

@Foreign-Contaminant: I know we all have our inner fanboys specially during E3 time, but you should think about going back to gamefaqs or calm down a little

Masterpain22

@Saint Anima:

For me, SNES or PSone. But, as you said, this isn't the place for such a discussion.

Luckyjim

Project H.A.M.M.E.R. got canceled for shit, and that game looked promising to some degree.

I can easily see Link getting shafted for something lame like Miyamoto's experience of locking the bathroom door.

AZRoboto

Even if they are actually working on another Mario and Zelda, what assures us that it will come out some time soon or even for the Wii. Zelda TP was announced for the GC and it took forever to come out, it was out for the Wii before it was even released on the GC. The fact that they cannot even tell us what games they are working on means that we have a long time coming before we see these games on stores.

Masterpain22

I hope they are really working on something great. I do not care if it is another Mario (love them) or another Zelda (please god!!) but RELEASE SOMETHING I CAN ACTUALLY INVEST TIME IN IT!! not just some cool minigames thingy.

Seriously Nin, why do u make it so hard to defend you against all the casual stuff???

I hate to admit it but there isn't anything in the future that interests me. I guess i will be doing all my playing on the 360.....that statement hurt a little, lol.

valhum

Wouldn't it be something if they were working on something new? Like not another Zelda, or at least another Zelda that isn't the same as the last 3.

Ignore me, I'm just sad and bitter. :(

Aflack: Likes slushies

Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Galaxies

It might be nearly impossible, but I can always dream...

Alternatively, it would be nice to get a new Nintendo IP. It's been 7 years since Nintendo created a new IP and they've only made 2 games based on it.

天雷

If they bring Captain Rainbow over, I'll forgive them for trying to pass Animal Crossing off as a real game.

Zerozaki Ishiki

I myself was hoping for at least a new Punch Out or something. Well, at least we can jam to instruments with our pals...

@Muisee: N64, best console ever? Debatable. I disagree, but this isn't the place for such a discussion.

Saint Anima

Nintendo can take their money and their pop culture status and go straight to hell. They aren't innovating anything - they're already stealing from themselves. Harmonix did Wii music better before Nintendo did. Another Animal Crossing game? Please. I don't need another Zelda. I just need to know Nintendo can still make franchise games that aren't about waggling and feeling good about puppies.

Anarchist_Gamer

THIS WILL OWN KILLZONE 2 AND WHATEVER SHITTY GAMES SONY HAS IN ITS LINEUP!1!1!!1!1111!!!!1!111!!!!!1

Foreign-Contaminant

The Zelda team is working on porting the 3DO game to the Virtual Console. Also, Nintendo will be killing a baby for every person who doesn't buy and beat the game....yea, they've become that sick.

Darkest Daze

I just hope the N shows something better at the TGS...

@Muisee: One word: Cartridges

(俗・ ) Grey Gecko

Teaming up with Ubi to make Marioz and Linxz

Now you too can waggle your way to raising your very own Super Mario or Link, just like the real thing!

kidko

Hmm.. Wii Cook could be something interesting..

CockroachMan

@Yadama: Yeah... Sony fans ditch them at "600 dollars" but Nintendo fans stick with them through all their crap, and I gotta say... You guys are the most long suffering crowd in video game history

There aren't many Sony fans (me included) that would stick with them if things were as hard on the PS systems as they were with the gamecube and even the 64... And Nintendo doesn't need YOU anymore, since they have the grandmas and little girls and business men and newsweek and new york times proclaiming what geniuses they are while their pockets get lined with money.

I'm finding it hard to stick with Sony now, the only thing that's making me barely hold on, on a thread, is that they give more freedom to their devs than either of the other 2. Then again, though, you have the MOST freedom on the PC, and I'd love to help revive the PC industry, but I doubt it will happen... Piracy and clichés have all but killed it...

At least i got half of what I was looking forward to... I got MGS4... That'll be some consolation, for another month or so...

bobtheduck

I hope for a new franchise...that'd be sweet.

Vecha

Bring back E3 2004 Nintendo, please. THANKS!

dagamer34

Nintendo and Kotaku productions present Project Ban Hammer. First level: smack Foreign-Contaminant out of the park.

Luckyjim

Maybe they're gearing up for a Zelda with 1:1 sword fighting mechanics...we all saw how possible it is in the "Wii Sports: Fucking Around on the Beach" trailer. I won't get my hopes up though, they really disappointed me today.

ThisCharmingMan

@AZRoboto: Project Hammer was shown once. Was it ever a good game?

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

@ƒox: Just ignore them. They need to spew this kind of crap to attain an erection.

Thorax

@Aerokii: The same thing happens with God Of War and Halo and GTA. Great games don't need to change a lot.

VakeroRokero

@JimElNino: Ha, yeah I remember that well.

They were like "hey look a white rectangle with a blue light on it" and then some time later, not even at E3, they were like "oh and it has this ridiculous remote hooked via a 3 foot cord to a nunchuk. That's instead of a controller, by the way. Ciao."

dowingba

@bobtheduck: everyone that had a N64 had a Ps1 and played backups. During the Gamecube everyone bought Ps2 and played backups. You can't play only masterpieces every 6 months.

VakeroRokero

I really hope they work on something good. I am really sick of these little mini games they keep releasing. I was really mad when they showed the new remote attachment with "true 1 to 1". It is nice to have...when you have games that really take advantage of it. Had they followed up the announcement of the attachment with a new Zelda with true 1 to 1 for combat, or say, something like a joint project with Sega for a new shinobi game with the new attachment, that would have been great use for the add on. Instead we get treated to throwing a damn frisbee at a dog and slicing logs. -_-; Lame. Great potential wasted on another easy cash in for Nintendo. I used to really love Nintendo. What happened? Yes, this formula is working for them, but man, are they ever pissing off their old fans.

HanJeSu

Wii Cook features new and improved slice-and-dice action utilizing the new Wii Motion Plus. Take the role of Link, a young man of humble origins, as he adventures throughout the land cooking up new dishes for the people of Hyrule.

+ Use his sword to cut lettuce, ham, and cheese!
+ Take aim with the hookshot to grab an ingredient that is just out of reach!

I can't be the only one looking forward to a Zelda-inspired Wii Cook, can I?

Guvnah

@Aerokii: It's not necessarily about the IPs themselves, it's about the innovation or the changes in gameplay that go along with them. If the GC version of Metroid had been a side-scroller, would we praise it as much as we did the FPS Prime? What about Ocarina of Time and Mario 64 and their foray into 3D.

The IPs will continue to pull people back, but it's the gameplay mechanics that do evolve and continue to work well generation on that keeps people playing them over and over.

nick.soapdish

Y'know, a lot of people complain about nintendo putting the same stuff out over and over again.

But then, there's those of us who keep playing it over, and over again. There must be a reason...

Oh, right. It's because despite the fact we've alerady played something like it, they've given us a new one that is quite fun to play, and entertaining. They are allowed to keep using the same IP's because the same IP's still work.

Don't fix what's not broken.

Aerokii

Basically it's -

they're working on the games, but don't expect anything in the form of a teaser till TGS this fall, don't expect a fullblown trailer/gameplay till E3'09, then don't expect release till fall/winter 09/10

Zaos

@Sloopydrew: Animal Crossing is the hardest core game out there today. It's the only game whose consequences are more soul crushingly un-forgiving than real life itself. I've never been so deep into debt as I have been in Animal Crossing. Is it even possible to get your head above water in that game?

dowingba

@Sloopydrew: Luigi's Mansion is widely considered a flop, so I don't think that particular franchise is going anywhere...

Paviel

Just a few games that Nintendo could have mentioned they were "hard at work" on and successfully pleased the core gamer (or at least succeed in not making us feel we were now entirely irrelevant to Nintendo):

F-Zero
Disaster: Day of Crisis
Mario
Zelda
Wave Race (although there looks to be a mini Wave Race in Wii Sports 2)
Kid Icarus
Donkey Kong Country
Starfox
Luigi's Mansion 2

Hell, even mention Mario Golf or a new Mario Party and a few of us would be happy. There was literally nothing. And Reggie made the funniest comment of this year's E3. When asked on G4 if he thinks the hardcore gamer would feel left out he responded, "How could they think that? There's Animal Crossing!!!" (that's paraphrasing, but he really did refer to Animal Crossing as the "hardcore" game of the show).

Sloopydrew

@VakeroRokero: Well, I agree nick.soapdish. Being a GREAT IP really helps, but you gotta change things up subtly. Which is what God of War and GTA both did too.

It depends on some things. I wouldn't want to play a Zelda FPS or RTS as much as I'd want an action adventure, or maybe a full out Zelda RPG (THAT would make me happy.) A good game is based heavily on gameplay, but good IP's have a lot to do with excellent characters and story. I'm quite fond of Kratos, so that's GoW... and I guess it doesn't apply as much for GTA, but eh, it works, so why knock it?

What I really want though is an LoZ game that returns to Link's awakening, a bit. Maybe throw Link onto an exact replica of the island, and have him figure out how it got here, and how he got there.

Aerokii

@Emiat:

As much as I like Mario and Zelda games, I'm inclined to agree with you. Smash Bros makes it clear that Nintendo has a whole slew of franchises other than the Big Three, and they need some attention too.

That's why I believe that Fire Emblem on the DS (read: Marth) can't come to the United States soon enough...

Paviel

Not much there. So why is Mario Sluggers farther ahead than this?

Ryodestined

Aren't all development teams always hard at work on something? Am I missing something?

Wolfers

@Rajolae:

It's called a franchise. Like GoW, GH, GTA, Halo, ect. Hell, Square is releasing FF13, thir-freakin-teen. In the same time frame Nintendo has only made 8 console Zelda games. Get a grip.

@Nightshift Nurse: Mile High Colonic: Agreed.

As for me, I love Zelda. I'm excited. Wish we had gottened some footage (even if it was only CG), but still good news.

EmeraldDragon

@Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc: Project HAMMER, from what I heard, wasn't good... But Nintendo's Wiimotion tech really could have changed everything :(

@everyone: I find it odd that, after decades of awesomeness, one of the best Mario games ever and one of the most progressive Zelda games ever, storywise, gamers seem to finally be jaded with those series... Yeah, right.

I mean, sure both series have had many minor missteps in the past and they seem to be on the verge of stagnation, but the games will still be good, and you will still eat it up, so come off of it.

Zerbrecher

@Paviel:

But there has been a lot of talk about how a sequel to the game using the wiimote as a flashlight could be a tremendous success (people were discussing that before the Wii was even released). I wasn't a big fan of the first one, but I can definitely see the potential there.

Sloopydrew

@Aerokii: I think Nintendo has changed their games enough with each generation and the ones that have drastically changed have failed like Starfox. People want Mario Kart to stop being Mario Kart which is crazy, look at Need For Speed and how that series went from Gran Turismo greatness to Midtown Madness crap, While it's good experimenting, once you take the essence the game is gone...

VakeroRokero

Hopefully the Mario team is working on a new game. Not likely though.

TF2Soldier914

@TheIrishNinja: The idea of a game with mario and link meeting each other with a great story and gameplay(ie. not Brawl) = all of my childhood memories on a DVD

mferrari

Direct quote time. Iwata said: "Of course, I myself am aware that great numbers of game players around the world do demand increasingly gorgeous games. And we at Nintendo, continue to challenge ourselves to meet these needs. Today I want to let you know that our internal team which creates Mario games, and the one that makes Zelda games are both hard at work. They will bring new titles to Wii."

So both titles are aimed towards the "core" gamer, or more likely aimed at both audiences like Mario Galaxy.
The Zelda team always makes Zelda games, but I'm a little surprised by his comment, since I was expecting a much more casual take on Zelda similar to 4-swords or Dragon Quest Swords and likely featuring Wind Waker graphics. The Mario team that worked on Galaxy was the team who made Donkey Kong jungle beat, so their game could be pretty much anything. I actually doubt that it's a Mario game, even though his phrasing did suggest it.

Reneg

Awesome!

Now we will finally get Wii Street games featuring Tag!, and Wii Dodgeball featuring Yoshi!

.........

Vanguarde

Anyone else think this screams tattoo?

gr.mon

@cluster1990: Yeah, pretty let down to see a spikey haired drummer where I was hoping to see a kid icarus trailer. Maybe nintendo did this to punish matt casamassina for giving too many hints, making his every e3 prediction completely wrong. We know factor five is at the convention center, they have a booth right? So they aren't showing the game at all? No trailer or anything? And after all tht talk about the wii pulling off some things that were only thought possible on ps3...
Makers me anger! (no spelling errors on that last line)

JokesJokes

@AZRoboto: Here's a crazy idea, maybe Nintendo delayed the game until the motionplus came out for 1-1 hammer swinging! Maybe they've been working on the game in secret this whole time and it will be out this year october 30th!! Maybe i should wait until I'm in bed and asleep before I start dreaming...sigh.

JokesJokes

I watched the live keynote for nintendo on 1up, and at that last part when the stage when black and the smoke machienes where going on I was like "OH SHIT ANOTHER ZELDA OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG" and then they have the nurve to bring up that dumb ass ugly drumber to play a craptastic drumb solo and yet ANOTHER FUCKING MUSIC GAME. fuck you nintendo, and have a nice day.

cluster1990

please tell me they are working on a new 2-D mario and zelda game 8D...Mega Man 9 is coming out...I want more games to do the same thing..go back in time..take something that worked awesome and make another game with it..lol

evilralphwiggum

Ultra-futuristic Zelda and Mario in a giant exo-skeleton fighting Mega Bowser?

Ropa-to

I want Pikmin 3.

dude49

Also, the Pope is Catholic.

Benjo

@Yadama: I feel exactly the same as you, man. I supported Nintendo all through their dark years, when the Gamecube was ridiculed and scorned by everyone. Because it had such fantastic games: Metroid Prime, Paper Mario 2, Resi 4, Tales of Symphonia, F-Zero GX, Killer7, SSBM, Pikmin 2 and Batallion Wars. Now that the tables have turned and Nintendo is suddenly the market leader, there is precious little for everyone who bought a Gamecube, because NOBODY who stuck with a Cube is into casual games! I've got Zelda, Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, SSX Blur, SSBB, Zack & Wiki and No More Heroes. Is there anything to look forward to? Mad World. That is IT. Nintendo have shown an arrogance on the level of pre-PS3 release Sony, and I for one am so very, very angry.

Gene-ius

@Benjo: well put.
now that mario has covered paper, land, world, and galaxy, (as well as most major sports) where else can he go?
@Gene-ius: I had a gamcube too, but i'm not pissed at Nintendo. They've been expanding and improving the functionality of the Wii, which is way more than they did for gamecube.
and ssx blur was awful.

dArk_stAr

You wouldn't know it. It's not like he sets the Christian standard, what with all his Bible-ignoring.

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Gene-ius

@Luckyjim:

Was that really necessary? I'll never be able to play a Mario game again.

Pantsman

They have, but they're lazy. When you give Wii Fit a marketing budget ten times as much as the one for Metroid Prime 3 you can expect the latter game to sell ten times less. Which is more-or-less what happened. However, what Nintendo have gone since is hold that up as an example of Wii gamers 'not wanting hardcore games' [paraphrased] and therefore they can justify to themselves taking the cheap & easy route rather than actually putting the effort into games which they've become renowned for in the past. And they *can* stop third parties making such useless games by refusing them on the console; rubbish like Petz needs to get Nintendo' say-so, which they got, but where's the drive to get the new Prince of Persia on the Wii? (For that matter, where was Call of Cuty 4's Wii version?) With Mario Galaxy-level graphics? It's non-existent. So I will act as if it is their fault because, as the approval board, it is. What they *can* do is make more of an effort to serve the hardcore gamer network. I mean, put some of their stupidly-large amount of money into drawing decent IPs towards the Wii in the form of motion-friendly Wii versions and stop having the arrogance to suggest Animal Crossing is satisfactory as the only offering to the hardcore crowd. We don't even have F-Zero, dammit. With all their resources Nintendo could afford to serve their entire fan base but they're not.

(Good point with the ToS2, though. I'd forgotten about that.)

Gene-ius

@Gene-ius:

And I also ask you, what do you expect Nintendo to do, excatly? They've put out their franchises in record time, you get ToS2 out in a few months. Nintendo can't force third parties to put good stuff on the Wii, so stop acting like it is their fault.

EmeraldDragon

Come on Captain N & The Video Game Masters... >_<

gr8asianman

i certainly hope they are working hard on a sequel to the windwaker. as for the mario team, i don't really care. i'm sure they wont dissapoint. actually, best case scenario is that we see a winwaker and super mario sunshine sequel. excuse me for drooling all over my hands...

bebop4one

@Gene-ius: The conduit, kid icarus, and pikmin off the top of my head. And, to be honest, nintendo did push out a lot of top notch software in their first year and a half. Metroid, mario, smash bros, papermario and battalion wars. We also got a few really good games from capcom and even a few from EA. Look at your list of good gamecube games. How many of those are nintendo published? 6 out of the nine? I've got five listed in the first year of the wii's existence, whereas your six took the cube's entire lifespan. Nintendo's not slacking, we're just in a craptastic dryspell.
Warioland looks good too. Much more appealing to me than the 8bit style of megaman.

JokesJokes

@dArk_stAr: Lies! I loved SSX Blur. Sure the big motiontricks weren't that great but the rest of the game worked really well. And sliding from the top of peak 3 to the bottom of peak one with no interruptions was incredibly fun and strangely relaxing for me. I'd like to see them do a sequel, but with a much bigger mountain, with both crazy and normal trails from top to bottom.

JokesJokes