Imagine all the annoying racket a whoel lot of 5 year olds could make with this game... oh man.

Well.. hope it works out for nintendo, but it would've been nice if their whole conference wasn't the most boring thing ever.

MetaKz

@ahmeng: The Wii is not a toy, not any more than the PS3 or the 360 is.

Now, games like Wii Music, on the other hand...those are toys.

spiderweb1986

@nerdBOY01: lol. You get 4000 internets. I already get rocked by 8 year olds on GH. And I'm an actual guitarist. Sad sad times.

@Szin: Um, guess what? A VID-E-O Game has an objective, ala scoring points, beating the boss, killing stuff, unlocking stuff, driving a taxi, etc. Wii Music, as the esteemed Mr. Miyamoto has pointed out, doesn't. Therefore, it's software.

tlozwarlock

@Mustakrakish:

You don't seem to understand how Nintendo develops their games.

You're confusing their bridge games, what you call seduction ones, with their games clearly aimed at their traditional audience.

Brawl, Fire Emblem, Corruption, and others are not intended for the new audience they've brought in. They are squarely aimed at the people like us who read Kotaku, enjoy a challenge, and revel in gaming in all its forms.

From the NES, they've always made games aimed at everyone, and also hardcore fare like Metroid or Kid Icarus.

Gitaroo_Dude

Wii = TOY!!! Nintendo, please COME BACK!!! Wii Music sucks soo bad, come on now.....I understand if your a grandma types, retards or 6 years old who couldn't throw a real frisbee for f*cking sake. I think Nintendo has hit its limit..Oh please...suck Vaginanator....!! >=:

ahmeng

So when will we stop classifying them as games, and as interactive experiences?

ostartero

@FP_slomo788:

What does it matter who is making Mad World. It's the software people are asking for. Nintendo have given us traditional franchises Mario, Zelda, Metriod, M.Kart, Brawl etc (and been criticised for it). From recollection you used to be lucky to see one or two big Nintendo AAA titles in a year. Now we expect them to drop one every quarter or we start whining about being abandoned.

As for the your other comment. Come on! MS and Sony couldn't stop the condescending smirking when Nintendo unveiled the Wii. Now they're both scrambling to get some of the market share they said didn't exist. I wouldn't give them any credit for being caught with their pants down and them now trying to pull them up. Nintendo stopped competing with Sony and MS last gen, the GC was shat on by the media and gamers alike, people just didn't want what Nintendo offered (or at least to the level that Sony and MS were seeing with their offerings). Miyamoto was never going to release a Resident Evil or the games that the most vocal criticizers are expecting Nintendo to churn out. If you want an all rounder system, yes a 360 or PS3 with Live Arcade/PSN is probably a better choice. The Wii however will have original titles like Mad World that may justify the purchase.

Jelster

@Gitaroo_Dude:
The guys who bought their games on the premise that they would have more to them than being for Nintendo to seduce non-gamers into something they won't even do that much with.

Mustakrakish

@Bardiel18: I'm sure 360 owners CAN'T WAIT to play Lips! =)

Szin

@Mustakrakish: On what account? Because they decide to target a different demographic or core user group?

Gitaroo_Dude has made a point of this already.

At the same time, this is all just in the nature of business. Innovate or die. Immitate or be left be behind. Remember? MS vindicates the Wii ("avatars")... Sony vindicates the 360 (trophy system).

All in all, who cares? You don't have to pick this up if you're that burnt up over it.

Bardiel18

@Moonshadow101:

No, because the new Wario will be released within 2 years of the Wii's launch, so I'm correct. FE being "lol" or not in your opinion doesn't change the fact that it's aimed at their "core" audience."

And yes, by host, I mean many other titles. Pikmin 3. New games from their Zelda and Mario teams. And other projects they haven't announced yet. Project HAMMER was likely canceled because the developer behind it, to put it nicely, sucks in comparison to other in-house Nintendo developers. I'll give you Disaster though simply because it seems to be in development hell.

Simply pointing out that all you short-sighted children are crybabies doesn't make those of us capable of rational discourse wrong.

Gitaroo_Dude

@tlozwarlock: Um, guess what? People look like douches while playing Guitar Hero and Rock Band. It's called not caring, having fun, and enjoying one's self! It's a VID-E-O Game! In the grand scheme of things, it's really not all that important.

Szin

Myamotto is now an apologist

Gutter_Trash

@Tubatic: Holy crap, you're right. My mind has just been blown.

I have no idea what I was thinking. I'm completely serious: Metroid Prime, Mario Kart, and Paper Mario are all *excellent* games!

Nintendo's been catering to us the whole time. The "Good Game" to "Casual" game is 6/3 in favor of "Hardcore."

What more do you people want?!

antialias02

@tlozwarlock: Hey you better watch you mouth! :) those 8 year old kids will be rocking your ass and head when you're older. :D

nerdBOY01

I tend to like the music/rhythm games that don't actually try to emulate playing instruments, like PaRappa, Pop'n, and Ouendan. This game looks like a cute little toy, but I wonder if it will actually inspire anyone to play a real instrument? How are you supposed to play the piano with a wiimote? Or any sort of brass instrument..?

Nintendo has made some crazy 'games' that have had a lasting appeal though; like mario paint on the SNES. Remember the Power Pad? It evolved into PIU, DDR, etc.

I'm trying to see this through rose colored glasses anyway...*clings to the hope of Order of Ecclesia and Chrono Trigger DS* games aren't dieing, right? ..right?

sexylittlerobot

@Mustakrakish: I think its the other way around. Nintendo made us.

They're just trying to make more of us.

Tubatic

@Mustakrakish:

Who exactly?

The 40 million people who bought SMB3?

Nintendo was BUILT on the backs of casual gamers and core gamers in unison.

Gitaroo_Dude

Wooo Nintendo, way to tell us that things we like suck and things we hate are actually awesome. Nobody knows the inner workings of our minds better than you!

Jesus, this is becoming insulting.

@Gitaroo_Dude: Fire Emblem was lol and Wario isn't even released yet, unless you mean Warioware, in which case you've missed the point. And by "Host," I take it you mean "Nothing Else." Mario, Zelda, Metroid. That's it. Project Hammer? Day of Crisis? Dumped, because Wii Music needed attention.

All of the crying can get annoying, but you defenders are even worse.

Moonshadow101

@antialias02: OH YEAH, Wario game on the Wii near launch . . .

can we give fractional points to VC, because that's a nice bonus for the core gamer, yeah? Making their core franchise's histories readily available?

WiiWare's working out partially in favor of the core gamer too, right? Core gamers clamored for Dr. Mario right?

Man, that's alot of stuff that's directed toward the loyal fanbase . . .

Tubatic

Oh God. This cake is delicious.

hagridore

@Bardiel18:

The problem is that they're forgetting the people who MADE THEM.

Mustakrakish

"I really think that half of an elementary music school could be dedicated to this."

No.

"Since Wii Music has no discernible scoring system, no goals and little in the way of those squishy innards that makes a game a "game," isn't it just a "musical toy"? That was the question posed by one European journo.

'Yes, that's right,' Miyamoto curtly replied 'And that's why it's better than a video game.'"

No.

"'I'm hoping that through Wii Music, we'll get more drummers, more musicians and more people interested in music.'"

No, that's Rock Band's job.

Seriously, this entire concept is full of "No." I don't see how waggling a Wiimote around to music and looking like a, excuse the French, douche will bring about a burst of new musicians. And with the Wii's limitations, I also don't see how this title can possibly have the expandability and creativity that the Guitar Hero or Rock Band series have. Wii Music is akin to playing the recorder. Cool for 8 year olds and school teachers; not so much for those pre-teens/teens/college age people that have burgeoning rock star fantasies.

tlozwarlock

@Tubatic: guess I went to a school that pushed music earlier.

y2julio

ok, its supposed to be a music experience right...?
well let me break this down to bite size pieces...
Wii console at least $300
Wii music ga... software probably $40
more Wii-motes (assuming your not playing by yourself) $40+
grand total = $340 (single player) $460 ( multi-player)
with all that cash id rather have a real instrument that will give me a LIFETIME of entertainment and my hard earned
money goes to something more MEANINGFUL...

Firesoul1

If they're so interested in learning/toy/imagination games, they might as well buy out LeapFrog Enterprises, Inc.

Wolfers

Jesus Christ, if Kotaku's userbase was representative of the gaming base at large, I'd have no qualms about abandoning them.

Talk about ignorant, selfish, childish, and plain immature behavior.

Nintendo abandoned their base?

The same company that in two years put out Metroid Prime 3, TP, Galaxy, FE, Wario, and a host of other core titles?

This is the fastest Nintendo has ever produced their AAA staple franchises.

Jesus, you guys are infantile.

Gitaroo_Dude

LoL, I'm just curious how many "hardcore" gamers play Guitar Hero/Rock Band. Are those "hardcore" games, cause they sure seem like Casual Party Games to me.

Szin

@dagamer34: Couldn't have put it better.

skyoon

@antialias02: Can we throw in Metroid Prime 3? The IP is first party. :)

Also, there's Paper Mario, which I think plays straight into the core/gamer market.

There was even a Mario Kart game, which has had a long legacy as its own core franchise, beyond being a cameo/spinoff game.

Tubatic

Nintendo has always been like this, they never "cared" for the hardcore gamer, it's just what they could cash in on at the time. When the NES was being developed, arcade games were huge, and they wanted $$$ in that; so the NES was created. Nintendo has just followed the leader from then on, and just now that technique has not been fruitful for them so they needed a change; enter the Wii and "casual gaming". Nintendo is just following the trends as they always have, and they are a business which function is to make $$$.

I never really saw how Nintendo "cared" about the fanbase, it was more the other developers who created good games. The developers are just following Nintendo and getting lazy, but some are still making good games. There's nothing we can do about it now, except BUY GOOD GAMES, the more we fund their "casual-gaming" labeled shit-in-a-box, the more of those games are made.

KevanB

@Jestersage:
"Miyamoto: "Core gamer are people who are willing to appreciate any games in any form."

In short: idiotic gamers who have money to blow."

Only reading in the context that you've posted but I'd say he was saying the opposite. A core gamer can play any game and get enjoyment from it. Basically that those people who demand only one type of game are not core gamers, they're gamers with a limited perspective on what is fun. They're people who'll not pick up a Wii because it isn't HD, because Nintendo make games for kids, because they think the WiiMote is gay, etc etc. They have some stunted impression that they need only one thing for fun and enjoyment and if they touch something else and enjoy it they'll somehow be contaminated. Could I go as far as calling them casualphobes?

That's just my interpretation though. :)

Jelster

50 cent: Get Rich or Die Tryin'
Nintendo: Get Rich then Stop Tryin'

dagamer34

@Szin: QFT, sir. Excellent point.

antialias02

@FP_slomo788
Yes, every object used for interaction in a game is a toy; baseball balls, the pen that a guy used in a office to play with it, a can in the street, every object can be turned into a toy.

alfredofroylan

@pinoyunggoy: So do I. Wii Fit makes my tally go from 2/3 in favor of "hardcore" to 3/3 all tied up.

antialias02

You know, I'm so glad that companies like Microsoft and Sony are around to be our bestest best friends when it comes to video games, and give us absolutely everything we ever could possible want. More importantly, it's so good to know that they're not out to make money, but instead cater to all our "hardcore" video gaming needs. Sure, they may lose out on some cash here and there, but that unquestionable loyalty is why I'm proud to call them my friend!

Szin

I don't know if I want them to go back to Mario or stay with the Wii motio controls; if those are the only two options. On the one hand all Nintendo seemed to do in the pre-Wii days was cash-in on their familiar characters with no innovations, where as now they just cash-in on motion control novelty with little innovation.
I know a lot of people like Nintendo only for MArio and Zelda and all the traditional titles, but it would be nice to see Nintendo do something really new and interesting and not just sports, music, Mario,etc.

M-26-7

@y2julio: I don't know about your educational systems, but the ones where I'm from don't put instruments in kids hands until 5th grade. Thats well over half the students that are not actively making instrumental music. And even then, that's by request of parent/student.

Now, if your 1st through 4th graders can hang out and do progressively more interesting things playing "with" music, perhaps this would grow an interest in being musical?

I get a feeling that's what he's getting at. Its about cultivating an interest in not only music, but the collaborative act of making music with another person. I dunno what effect the concept of music without skill wouldd have, but I'm sure it makes music a bit more inviting at a young age.

Things were always more fun when you didn't h ave to worry about sucking at it!

Tubatic

@FP_slomo788: I'd say just the opposite. Freak, the past two times I've gone into a gamestore I've seen women buying what??? Wii fit.

Yes women are now going where they've never gone before.

With a broader spectrum of people playing games, maybe they won't think of us hardcore players as such nerds as we are.

nerdBOY01

@antialias02: i would consider wii fit more casual, IMO.

pinoyunggoy

@Mustakrakish: uh, that's the point. Cater to "everyone else". I can't see where they've gone wrong if they're actually achieving their own mission statements, and then some.

Bardiel18

@alfredofroylan: So if I build a PC and dedicate it to gaming it's a toy?

FP_slomo788

@antialias02: Sorry, forgot "Wii Fit" bringing up the rear after brawl ... that sets us at 50/50.

antialias02

It's the invasion of the body snatchers, this time they're going after the icons. Maybe Nintendo's preparing the young, old, and impressionable others (I'm in this category) for a new virtual life in order to harvest our organs. The WiiFit was supposed to get us ripe for the picking, but people aren't that obsessed with it once they have it for a while.

Now it's Wii Musics' turn to harvest what's left of our creativity...

EA gets a portion of the souls. And you thought your Sims had a personality of their own. /end crazy rant

superfrogsavestokyo

@sarcasmOD: But they did make Zelda and Galaxy. What's more, we got Zelda practically immediately. The hardcore/casual game releases by Nintendo have actually been pretty staggered if you check out a timeline.

Wii Sports - Twilight Princess - Wii Play - Galaxy - Brawl... right now that's a skew toward more 'hardcore' than 'casual'.

antialias02

"Miyamoto said that he sees Wii Music as a viable educational tool, saying that "I really think that half of an elementary music school could be dedicated to this."" You mean instead of actually teaching them how to play the REAL instruments...during MUSIC class?

y2julio

@antialias02:
@Tubatic:

Well said!

It's actually quite an important point that Nintendo have often had to prove their hardware (DS) is a viable platform. If they were not determined to illustrate these concepts in entertaining forms other developers would probably be too scared to innovate in such ways. It worked so well on the DS, it's working well on the Wii to some extent although there is still some hesitation to follow Nintendo's lead by the 3rd parties.

Jelster

@Rhys:
I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic about things with Nintendo; with the news of a new Pikmin, hopefully Kid Icarus, and what I'm reading (and hoping) as a different style of Zelda, I've certainly a smile on my face...

I think I'll enjoy this game. I like doing the randomest shit with music. I personally am tired of playing (some) songs I can already play on guitar. So yeah, excited about this and that Korg DS game.

Drake Lake: Just Like Vengeful Wolves

@Mustakrakish:
IMO Mario Strikers Charged is the Best Wii game
2 and 4 player.

Jeff

At least we have the conduit to look forward to. sigh.

pinoyunggoy

I haven't got a lot of interest in this title, but I do appreciate that Nintendo want to provide entertainment for the non-traditional market. Perhaps some of those people will 'graduate' to the traditional consoles-- perhaps they won't-- and perhaps some of those people will come to appreciate the convergence aspects of the PS3 and the 360-- and perhaps they won't. It truly matters very little to me. As much as I am unable to find much of Nintendo's library appealing to my own taste, I recognise I really don't need them to do much for me. Zelda will probably always be there. Mario will always be there. The others-- Pikmin, PilotWings, Smash Brothers, and so on-- I'm sure will make infrequent, but recurring, appearances. It's not that I would buy a load of games from Nintendo anyway. There are legion quality titles available for traditional gamers-- why should I begrudge the more casual audience a chance to be entertained? I might have always put my money into Nintendo's devices in the past, but that didn't buy me a lifetime pass-- Nintendo's got no obligation to make games for me, and it's both childish and useless to worry about their business model. Obviously they've discovered this new plan is lucrative, and good on them. I'll keep an open eye, and perhaps they'll call my number again some day. But I'm not about to cry over it. I welcome the new sector of the market.

wild homes has been retconned!

@modmax
Videogames are toys, sorry but that's the true. If you use a object to interact and PLAY with it, then it's called a TOY. The problem is that we can't tolerate the idea of being adults and using toys for having fun, so we think that they're tech devices, but the truth is that games were, are and will be toys.

alfredofroylan

@sarcasmOD: EXACTLY. MS and Sony are widening their demographic. Nintendo is just moving away.

FP_slomo788

@modmax: The NES was marketed as toy.

Netnavi

I had time to play this at E3 and let me tell you that it was quite a bit of fun. The booth attendant I talked to got me quite ramped up for the game. The best part of the game was the drum set(despite how bad it looked during the press conference)which played perfectly like a real drum set. I also got to play 4 player with a band playing Mario Bros, i played bass and the others played shakers,trumpet,and xylophone. No worries on the game play, except for the no challenge part. Sorry to cut this short peoples here D:

thorkorn

While I understand what a lot of people are saying when they bring up things like "branching out" and "reaching a wider demographic", Nintendo has more or less abandoned its original fanbase. If they added these Wii music type games and Wii Fit and so on while continuing to create wonderful games like they did with Zelda and Mario Galaxy, then you could say they are branching out. But from here on in, it looks like we'll get nothing but Mii's and Minigames.

sarcasmOD

This is how Nintendo are gonna suck the gaming industry dry. Killing the very thing they saved all the way back with the NES.

Kind've ironic, isn't it?

Mustakrakish

"His intention, it seems, isn't to court those already on board with Rock Band or Guitar Hero, but, literally, everyone else."

This could easily be misconstrued as Nintendo abandoning their old fanbase, giving them up to Microsoft and Sony and instead focusing on the alpha moms and Wiitards.

Altersparck

@SolidOni: Someone has allready posted that the games YOU want to play take a long time to develop. Nintendo in famous for setting back release dates to perfect their product. The games will come... Just like they always have.

Would you be happy with a new zelda and mario every year? That would get pretty damn stale.

nerdBOY01

No Mr. Miyamoto!! That's the kind of thing Ken Kutaragi says, not you!!!

Zunnoab

@Jelster: Mad World is a Sega game. Not a Nintendo one. It just happens to be on the Wii. As for the rest of your comment, just read the one I sent to NerdBoy.

FP_slomo788

Wow....so this piece of shit software is better than Twilight Princess, Galaxy, Prime 3, and Brawl because it isn't a game?

Honestly, this may be the stupidest thing he's ever said.

Fuck Nintendo.

TheGuilty1

It's fine as a toy for the kids. I saw a similar project on the science channel being done by some scientists that wanted to create a device that made it easier for children to get into creating music but also be fun. They came up with this orb that whichever way you held it or hit it , it would create a sound effect. They put a group of children together and made a "concert" from this type of music.

Needless to say, it sounded horrible. Like a baby pounding away at a synthesizer. Wii Music may be better than this and in the same vein as the music project I saw on TV.

So it isn't a game but it could work out for them as a digital music toy.

Netnavi

Yeah sure Miyamote, and i bought my Wii for the next gen graphics right

mpar

How dare he challenge the foundation of our hobby! HOW DARE HE!

Fryfat

@nerdBOY01: We all accepted the social and family gaming the Wii came with. It's actually pretty cool, and if I were still living with my sister at my house instead of my dorm I probably would have been tricked and bought a Wii instead of a 360. BUT, while both Sony and MS are working at expanding their audiences, Nintendo is just switching audiences. I want to be able to play the Wii with my family and still have something to feed it when everyone else is asleep. My PS3 does that, my 360 does that, why can't the Wii? Just look at the phrases they are using now: "non-gamer," "better than videogame," "geeks and otakus..." Face it man, Nintendo does not care about us gamers anymore. Their target is different now. T_T

FP_slomo788

I like Wii. Heck, I jump for joy that Wii beat 360 and PS3's overall sales - And I still want to cry.

Oh, by the way, for those that haven't caught what miyamoto have said, here's what he said about "core gamer":

Miyamoto: "Core gamer are people who are willing to appreciate any games in any form."

In short: idiotic gamers who have money to blow.

Back to a crying wii fanboy now...

Jestersage

Well, I'm all for Nintendo's attempts to branch out and try new things. I just wish the game (or toy or whatever) had a little more substance. Of course, that's only judging by what I know. It might be deep enough for me to get into. I think they're relying too much on people wanting to play musical instruments. Can't say I'm part of that group. We'll see how it ends though.

Rhys

@nerdBOY01:
That's good for YOU, but when a company starts shitting all over their loyal fanbase for the sake of cash that's when people start to get pissy and not like the wii. I'm in the "casual gaming is gonna be the death of videogames as we know it." group.

SolidOni

"We are making Pikmin"

"The Mario team and the Zelda team are hard at work"

Every core Nintnedo game takes years of dev. They also don't ship before their time, which means higher quality.

Miyamoto, as always, has been concerned with presenting an experience. For what Miyamoto is going for, with Wii Music, a video game with diffculty/levels/points/goals isn't what he's going for.

Everyone here's acting like their grandfather just killed their kitten, when in fact he's actually making at least three more tasty pies, like he always does, that just are not ready yet.

I must respectfully tell you friends, to chill the flip out.

Tubatic

@modmax:

A toy company is beating Microsoft and Sony. Doesn't sound much better to their ears.

mrdietsoda

When Nintendo launched the Wii, they made a commitment toward broadening their demographic - that has succeeded, based on the numbers of console sales we're seeing.

They got here by making games to fit the motion control. Games *designed* for the motion control: games we're seeing here, like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Wii Play, and Wii Music.

The "best" games available for the Wii are games that were designed with motion control as an afterthought, with the only marginal exception of Galaxy. Even Galaxy could be retooled to be played with a Gamecube controller.

Nintendo made a commitment to a broader spectrum of gamers, and they promised to keep the "core gamer" in mind. They can only produce so many games at a time, guys.

They can't make everything we want over night while holding on to their other demographic. Just not possible unless they explode with new people on their software teams - and even then, we'd likely end up with shitty, rushed software.

Why aren't we complaining about 3rd parties just as loudly as we're complaining about Nintendo? Nintendo has been amazing so far with its support for the Wii. 3rd parties have been dismal at best. Ninty will keep putting out the games we want: Animal Crossing is coming, and we know the Mario/Zelda teams are hard at work.

Why don't we start beating down the 3rd party doors too? I'm positive Nintendo is pushing their abilities to create to capacity, even if the result isn't something we all want to play. In some senses, they're only doing what they promised.

We'd all have pinched a fit if we didn't ever get the music game that we saw demoed way back when. Now it's upon us, and it's pretty much what many of us expected.... yet there are so many complaints?

People need to realize that the console isn't trying to compete with 360/Sony. Yes, it could use better games - I completely agree. But I am not sure Nintendo isn't doing what it can to make that happen.

I'm pretty sure they're doing everything they can right now. Maybe Animal Crossing wasn't the best one to focus on for the time being, but the reality is what it is, and so we have to roll with it. Again, I reiterate, where is all the un-love for third party devs?

antialias02

[www.msnbc.msn.com]

Miyamoto's approach to E3:

I think that there's probably one other element to it, and that's that our view of how we use E3 has changed. For a very long time, E3 was an event where - and certainly Nintendo included - catered specifically to the core gamer. Now we look at more … an opportunity for us to introduce new concepts and new types of play that we intend to bring to the broader audience, particularly because of the media that gathers at E3 now.

So while attending an E3 event like this, they might be given the impression that Nintendo is no longer focusing on the games that appeal to the core gamer, in fact we're still working on many of those titles, but it's just not the type of event where we'll be showcasing that anymore.

stealthpengu

@LittleBigPlaneteer:

I'd believe him and Nintendo needed to pull their arses out of the fire after a huge chunk of their core gamers told em to fuck off and went to play their Xboxs and PS1/2s. Those core gamers are now the same ones pissing and moaning because the company they turned their backs on and ripped into for two generations has decided they'll target a new market. I think that's what happened and frankly I can't blame Nintendo, actually I commend them for showing the creativity to turn around their 3rd place (they're going the way of Sega) into huge force in video games again.

As for Wii Music. Perhaps we should just STFU and accept there is a new genre being defined here, not so much a video game but video entertainment. Perhaps it isn't meant to be a linear, win/lose, hi-scores experience. Maybe it's meant for you to just have fun. Might not be what a lot of us want but I expect people felt the same way about computers taking over from board games or cards or any number of distractions we used to enjoy.

As long as Nintendo give me 2-3 AAA releases a year based on traditional gaming expectations I'm right behind them pushing this new area of the market. Perhaps that was the Revolution all along.

BTW - We're getting Mad World. I mean that makes up for like a bazillion casual games!

Jelster

"The famed Nintendo developer said "I'm hoping that through Wii Music, we'll get more drummers, more musicians and more people interested in music.""
I think I understand this part, a "game" like this could help influence young minds deeper into music and musical instruments. Especially with more than 50+ different instruments, it can help find this person's interest.

DranzerKire

Does this mean that my train whistle is better than my consoles?

suya123

Once you guys have kids, you'll understand how wrong you were... I really like to play the wii with my daughter, and my other box is for when she's asleep.

nerdBOY01

In the end. Miyamato has seen Rock Band and Guitar Hero and wants to cash-in on the musical gaming fad.

Mustakrakish

Nintendo can be officially considered a toy company and no longer a video game company

modmax

@goldwings:
How do you know it's not both?

StarStabbedMoon

hehehe.. three simple words....

"bigger than jesus?"

DLNO-001

Well, in the past, Will Wright has referred to his "games" as toys, so I don't see what the problem is.

jfried

I can see this being a really cool distraction for about an hour. It'll then quickly run dry, and you'll wonder why you spent $50 on it.

See, it's stuff like this that makes me worry about Nintendo. They're doing well now, sure, but if they keep shafting the core audience of gamers I think they'll eventually crash. I don't want a new Wii Sports nor do I want another Wii. I want to see more Mario, Zelda, F-Zero, Kirby, Kid Icarus, even a new IP! I just want to see that they actually care about the gamers, because even if they do well in the market, I'm steadily losing my respect for their company, and want to buy their products less and less for it.

Xenigma

@Emiat: Mr. Mario creator, I think, has no ambition to make anymore games that us older people grew up on. He's a family man himself. He wants to get the whole family involved. And he's clearly accomplished that. Who would've thought that families would be playing games together in the distant past?

nerdBOY01

Shiggy is getting senile. Time to put him down and take him to the glue factory.

Remember him as he was.

KaneRobot

Oh man... Im glad Im not a Nintendo fanboy anymore, otherwise Id be really pissed.

Altima NEO

@axiom:
If you were to use a real instrument there's a chance you might make a mistake, and let me tell you that thought is just TERRIFYING.

Nobuyuki

2008 - the year Miyamoto said the unthinkable... something really annoying

OR

2008 - the year Miyamoto said the unthinkable... and was right

I'm leaning towards the first option though T_T
*stares at Mario World Cartridge that has Miyamoto's signature on it*

goldwings

@LittleBigPlaneteer: He got rich and stopped trying.

FP_slomo788

Nintendo fan boys, I hope you're looking forward to more games like this one b/c this is what sells, not zelda :(

nerdBOY01

HAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA... no...

sorry but i disagree. Wii shouldn't need only Mii games really. i actually don't care for Mii games. they're just kinda... mehh....

honestly, why is it that all Wii games make you look like an idiot? i want some really good games. not some move the controller and "make music" game. what has happened nintendo? honestly, someone fill me out here i think i missed something.

buuuuuuuuuut like all Wii games it'll print money. whatev... i guess nothing last forever..

Akmed

@Mustakrakish: I can't agree with you more.

Shigsy needs to get back to making the games for the people who regard him so highly.

Emiat

None of us have gone hands on with it, who knows, this could be crazy fun.

BassForever

What happened to you Miyamoto?

LittleBigPlaneteer

educational tool? all you have to do is shake a wii mote like a polaroid picture

shichi

I can see the value of getting kids INTERESTED in playing music, but half of a musical program devoted to playing pretend? That's ludicrous.

Maldron

Miyamoto is starting to sound like a lot like "crazy" Kutagari. Is Nintendo even a part of this reality anymore?

OtherAdam

Um, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say this game could be REALLY FUN in a family setting, I just hope they fix the sound, which the 1up crew was complaining about.

nerdBOY01

@Resso:
I'll concede on F-Zero, but I didn't even know F-Zero Wii existed. Metroid I was never a fan of though, didn't enjoy how often it left you with vague hints on where to go. I mean, I'm not asking to be spoonfed everything, but games that make it THAT hard to progress when the actual substance fo the game is fairly easy I just don't like. So, yeah.

Mustakrakish

What bothers me is the fact that miyamoto's comment sounds as if he thinks of games a lesser form of entertainment....

What happen to you nintendo?

StagnatedLives

@axiom: LoL I hope you are directing that at rockband, guitar hero, and Rock Revolution.

MikeA

Hee hee. "Icari."

Bort

Ugh, how is shaking a controller up and down going to make you musician?
If people were really interested in music wouldn't they take up the real thing? Oh right thats too hardcore.

axiom

@Mustakrakish

I whole heartedly agree.

MaskedMuffin12

T_T

Toasticus

Nintendo is officially out of the videogame business. It's been a blast guys.

FP_slomo788

its ravi drums? ive been calling him robbie drums

bigman88zz

@Mustakrakish:

And Metroid Prime 3 and F-Zero Speed Racer (meh-)

Resso

Watch out Humongous Games, Nintendo is taking over you educational games niche.

Len Bias Cocaine Surplus

No. Nintendo's gone far off the track with the Wii. The only games worth owning are Zelda, Galaxy and Brawl. Other stuff just caters for the 'casual' gamer. I.E: Non-gamers.

Mustakrakish

I disagree. Wii music is essentially a toy instrument simulator. May as well buy one of those tiny plastic guitars. A videogame where you don't even need to look at the screen... You would have more fun dancing while listening to your ipod.

Demonbird

As one other gaming site put it, Miyamoto verbally bitchslapped that journalist. I approved =D.

As for all the "hardcore gamers", you're just being elitist, an abstract artist (that's most likely going to starve). If you "hardcore gamers" can't peak out of your shell once in a while, you're just a fanboy.

Anyways, this is one project out of many. Nintendo is appealling to all, and they just finished the latest and possibly greatest iterations of their older franchises. They're recharging up for another super awesome blast next year (or the year after).

atoxic

Sure it is.

Neo-Senku

@H3lloWorld: Your comment just completely de-newbed you :)

Good luck with that class.

Yeah, Its tricky with linear comments, because not everyone runs the same conversation. GamePolitics.com, though, has a VERY nice comment system in place based on direct comment replying . . .

::trails off topic::

Tubatic

I've been thinking...

I can support Nintendo with its "let's get everyone involved" philosophy. The mii games, are to an extent, fun and entertaining. I think it's great that I can play video games with my parents, who haven't played a game with me since the NES days.

Now, the problem is that they're going the wrong direction with their innovation. For the most part, they seem content at creating "tech demo" minigames that showcase the Wii's capabilities and charging $49.99 for games that don't see much play outside of the multiplayer setting. They've yet to create an experiance that taxes the Wii's motion controller while creating an experiance that lasts longer than a few minutes.

I don't know how everyone else here feels, but this could be a very dangerous path for Nintendo, because while the Wii may print money, the software may not continue to do so as people get bored with the company's offerings. If the company can create games that have the depth to satisfy the hardcore set while being easy enough for anyone to pickup and play, then the Wii would live up to everyone's expectations.

However, if the company countinues to release minigame compilations and other shallow experiances, even the group Nintendo is trying to court may go elsewhere for entertainment.

Dmartin001

this game is gay.

mugenektr

@tlozwarlock: LoL, good luck with the Wiki! =)

Trust me, I want a Star Fox Wii game and a F-Zero Wii Game as much as the next Nintendophile. But I look at it this way... Games like Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Wii Music do NOTHING but make Nintendo money. Money which lets them continue to make games in the first place. Money which could very well be used to make said Star Fox, F-Zero, Mario, Zelda, Icarus, Kirby, Donkey Kong game. Haha, Wii Sports Resort has clearly shown me that there's NO reason they can't make a new Wave Race game, or a new Zelda game in which you have full 1:1 control over the Master Sword. Only time will tell. In the meantime, I hold to my point that Nintendo printing money is nothing but a good thing.

Also, I think people are just not aware that E3 isn't that important anymore, when it comes to game announcements. At least, I don't think it is.

Szin

Not forgetting? Do you think he cares what you think? Did Nintendo release that hard drive you guys already had saved for? You are not in Nintendo business plan.

VakeroRokero

But if there are no goals, levels, or scoring system, how will I continue to use my virtual accomplishments as substitutes for real-life accomplishments?

PornoRabbit

The famed Nintendo developer said "I'm hoping that through Wii Music, we'll get more drummers, more musicians and more people interested in music."

See? SEE? Drummers aren't considered musicians. Proof!

Space_Cakes

@Mustakrakish: WOW. Those games are EXACT list of all the Wii games I own. That is bit creepy.

But yes, Nintendo seems bit off with the whole "casual gaming". I wish they made more video games and less of these "casual" gaming stuff...

rbleader

@Tubatic: Duly noted. I applogize for a newb like mistake. I have to finishing reading this book for class tomorrow, needless to say, I didn't want to read 129 post to find out what the hell was being said. Perhaps cliff notes to this discussion would be advantageous.

H3lloWorld

Amazing how nerds get offended by a comment like that.

News Flash:

Video Games are nothing more than a pastime, Why do you think all those guitar players tell that people should be mastering a real guitar rather than mastering the toy guitar? That's why the games are turning into a niche and Nintendo is raping the business without even lifting a finger.

VakeroRokero

@H3lloWorld: Haha, levels of doucheness. I like that. Seriously though, I disagree. Again, it's all about having fun. I've seen people play Through the Fire and Flames on Expert, and I applaud the effort. LoL, but they still look quite douchey. I've even seen people in Arcades playing DDR backwards, not even looking at the screen, and getting perfect scores! Again, the effort is applauded, but it still looks silly. If people want to look that silly playing those games, I see no reason why parents and kids and other gamers who are looking to have fun can't play Wii Music. For all I know, Wii Music has a Mario Paint Composer type thing in it. If it does, I'm pretty sure it will be an even bigger seller.

Szin

@H3lloWorld: So would that give you a score of 22 on the douche scale then for making such an asinine statement? Seriously.

People do not look like douches playing a game. They may look stupid, but that doesn't qualify them as being something that's generally akin to being an asshole. If you look like an asshole while playing a video game, well... then you've probably got some larger problems, because the only way you can really pull off looking like an asshole would be to sling swear words every three seconds, play a social game while wearing a Ku Klux Klan robe and hood, or totally decide to ruin everyone else's fun in the game via sabotage, social stupidity, or some other form of dickery entirely non-dependent on the type of game.

In other words, looking stupid, and looking 'like a douche' are two totally different things. Wii Music does not make you a douche, neither does Rock Band, Guitar Hero, Halo, Mario, whatever. Your attitude does.

Ampillion = That Man.

@Szin: Point made. I agree with your summation of video games to a point, but I still feel inclined to disagree. Fruity Loops is a lovely piece of software that I use to mix and master and sometimes create music. I am highly entertained by it, but it will forever be considered software and not a "game." It does have a cool oscillator plugin that looks like Asteroids though...hmm...Anyway, who knows, Wii music could be the most entertaining thing ever in existence. Time will tell. I won't shun it from my Wii. I'll give it a chance. Also, I think we should start a merchandise line around "VID-E-O Game." I'll start up a Wiki.

tlozwarlock

@Luziphir: That's my favorite quote, and its funny how it gets misinterpreted as a slam against Halo.

Tubatic

Shigi doesnt even play video games, he goes for walks on the beach, spends time with his dog and plays golf... I'm a gamer but I think that the gaming masses are quite ignorant to the fact that video games are increasingly becoming for everyone! And what better way to accomodate for everyone by making a game thats all about simple play. If we as video gamers had a better unbderstanding of play, I think we wouldn't be so quick to judge a game like this.

Nipz

@Sooku: Agreed! :)

Tubatic

Glad I own a 360, that's all I gotta say.

Heart-Skull-Kid

Shigeru "I could have made Halo" Miyamoto strikes again. I mean I respect him for what he's done for the industry, but lately he just seems to be a stupid arrogant asshole.

Luziphir

@H3lloWorld: regarding antialias's ratio, there's been a comment thread going. Reading is good, whether you're joining a conversation or looking to slam a commenter! :D

Tubatic

@Sooku:

This is an excellent point.

In fact, in most of his interviews, I'm pretty sure he said that he rarely plays games.

This is the guy who didn't know what Ratchet and Clank was after all.

Gitaroo_Dude

@gamadaya: A bit like GTA minus the story then? I agree wholeheartedly. Emergent gameplay is awesome, but usually comes in unexpected ways. How much emergent gameplay can be had with Wii Music? "Hey guys, let's have a concert and ... uhh...who ever drops their wiimote loses!" I'm not seeing much possibility there. Yes, I admit, Nintendo game themes are fantastic and a blast from my distant past. Being able to "play" them would be fun for a while. But still, unless there's something I've missed with the information dump on Wii Music, I don't see the flexibility that is needed for true emergent gameplay.

tlozwarlock

You guys need to realize that Miyamoto never catered to the hardcore gamer. He's been doing what he feels is right from the very start.

Donkey Kong was made in an effort to save the company, but still oozes Miyamoto. From the obvious King Kong references to the linear gameplay, Miyamoto was marketing the casuals from the start.

Super Mario Bros was made to be a wonderful, happy experience, and succeeded. From the happy music to the excitement of a well timed hop, Mario was designed to pull in any non-gamer.

Zelda was made to represent Miyamoto's childhood adventures, imagination incarnate per say. It wasn't made for us, but instead to give a new generation the thrills he grew up with.

Pikmin was developed from Miyamoto's love of gardening and nature, and though it did only succeed among the hardcore, it was pretty obviously intended for a wider audience.

Nintendogs is perhaps the easiest to pick out, created from his love of puppies. It drew in many a young girl by sheer force of cute.

Face it, Miyamoto was never one of us. He may be a genius, but he isn't a gamer. Let him do his thing- while it may not be for the hardcore, his games are always fun and always succeed in expanding the market.

Sooku

@tlozwarlock: The only purpose a VID-E-O Game serves is Entertainment. That's it. Beat as many bosses as you like, unlock everything possible, go through as many levels as you can, and get enough Star Power to rock the night away, and in the end it all comes down to one and only one thing: Were you Entertained? If not, don't play it. If you are, bravo! Wii Music, no matter if people like it or not, is a game. It's purpose is to entertain people. Whether it does or not is up to the gamer.

Szin

@mfwahwah: "Honestly, if I was a casual gamer, I wouldn't be buying too many games, and that's what the Wii is depending on it seems. "

Well, lets not forget that the Wii has been a profit making console since day one. The old meme says "It Prints Money!", but pushing units, even to low attach, low software purchasing demo graphic works out pretty well.

Not to mention their amazing software "loop hole" that is WiiPlay. Its the highest selling software title on the Wii, when its technically just a controller with a bunch of demo games.

Tubatic

@myself, sorry I meant "at least." I don't want the Wii police to get me.

H3lloWorld

Just want to remind folks that Miyamoto was a MUSICIAN before he entered the gaming world.

Think about it.

pickleprince

Frankly, I was disappointed by the conference, just like almost everyone else, and though I like Nintendo a lot, I see no need to defend them needlessly.

The fact of the matter is, Wii Music and Wii Sports: Resort, probably will do what they do really well and be fun. I really think Nintendo knows what they're doing, even if it's nowhere near what I want to see on my Wii - which is a bummer.

Not sure what to say about them from this point on. Thankfully my DS gives me all the gaming I need (not much time for anything else), but it would be nice to see a little more reachout to more seasoned gamers.

phinehas

@ahmeng: Wow. You let me know when that award-winning comment of yours leads you to directing something more successful than the TOY you decided to make fun of kids, the elderly, and mentally challenged people over, and I'll let Nintendo know where they can get their hands on a developmental genius.

Or maybe, maybe you've just inhaled large quantities of meth, or cocaine. In this case, well... don't do drugs.

Ampillion = That Man.

@Szin: Yes, people look like douches when playing guitar hero and rb; however, there are levels of being a douche. On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the highest, people over the age of 12 caught playing "Wii Music" destroy the scale system. Whereas people playing Gh or Rb on a high level of difficulty don't appear to be larger then the before mentioned giant wii douche.
@Antialias: Where did you come up with a 6/3 ratio, your head. Provide a link! Or atleast provide math! Wii Math; that sir, would be a the topper of everything casual.

H3lloWorld

I wonder what happened to make Nintendo hate gamers so much.

Darkest Daze

@tlozwarlock:
I never defined a video game as having to have an objective. I think maybe that that definition is to constraining. I could definitely see a huge open world platformer where all you do is screw around and make your own objectives.

gamadaya

Wii Music: "It's like Air guitar... but DIGITAL!!!" <-- I can air guitar jam to any music I want, I don't need a Wiimote to do it.

Also, does Nintendo expect casual gamers to buy SO many games? If they don't release the hard core games, then I see them losing a lot in the long run.

Honestly, if I was a casual gamer, I wouldn't be buying too many games, and that's what the Wii is depending on it seems.

mfwahwah

@Demonbird: Considering it's pretty much an 'By invite only' sort of thing now? Sure, core gamers are going to be drooling over Kotaku and whatever other blog sites or gamer-news pages cover the event. Maybe they're watching G4. But since it's press in general that are going to be there, and Nintendo's currently aiming at the general market, wouldn't it make sense to show off all the stuff that's going to be put into print by Newsweek, the Times, WSJ, USA Today and all that if your new best friend is the casual audience? Why pander towards Kotaku, IGN, 1up when the audience they're digging into now won't be reading that?

Ampillion = That Man.

@Dmartin001:

Yes they are creating the tech demos. Just like they did with the DS. They're like tutorials for the users, very basic, reiterating actions. For developers it gives them ideas and real feedback on what works, what is acceptable, and what is most fun. They can then build on that within their own projects.

Worked well for the DS, and so far is doing great on the Wii. Shouldn't be much longer before we start to see the high calibre third party titles creep out with well balanced features.

Jelster

@Szin:
In an interview given after E3. Could just be a statement to cover for the disappointment that came from it. Who do you think monitors E3 or even knows of its existence? Core gamers, or those people who bought a wii cause wii fit looked "cool"?
Nintendo knows who watches what happens at E3.

Demonbird

"I think that there's probably one other element to it, and that's that our view of how we use E3 has changed. For a very long time, E3 was an event where - and certainly Nintendo included - catered specifically to the core gamer. Now we look at more … an opportunity for us to introduce new concepts and new types of play that we intend to bring to the broader audience, particularly because of the media that gathers at E3 now.

So while attending an E3 event like this, they might be given the impression that Nintendo is no longer focusing on the games that appeal to the core gamer, in fact we're still working on many of those titles, but it's just not the type of event where we'll be showcasing that anymore. "

-Miyamoto in an MSNBC interview.

So just for the record, don't look for "hardcore" game announcements from Nintendo at E3 anymore, because it's not that type of conference for them.

Szin

I cant believe such a legend has turned his back on what he created. The only reason its better than a game is because he didnt have to spend time making it and it will sell more than a real game lol. Greedy bastards...

Elwood2112

Miyamoto is dead to me. Oh well, the last truly fantastic and innovative thing he created was Pikmin, 7 years ago, so it's not a big loss. And according to 1up.com, it barely matters what gestures you make, because the song still plays no matter what. It plays itself. That is not more interesting than any video game, not even ET. Yeah. I went there.

Placentasaurus

@H3lloWorld: Well then it's really a mistake on wording. As I understand it, and as it's commonly used around here (locally, internet-wise.. who the hell knows..) to 'be a douche' is to be an asshole. Hey, that's all fine and well if you don't mean it that way, but in general, it's not commonly known as 'being a douche'. Unless you damn kids have changed slang words again.

Bastards.

Ampillion = That Man.

@Darkest Daze: I wonder what happened to make gamers hate Nintendo so much. I assume you c wut I did thar.

h445

@Dmartin001: Honestly, there's always a chance that the casual market will do that anyway. That's always the largest problem with trying to court the mass consumer, they're horribly fickle creatures who can be your best friends one minute, and forget entirely who you are the next.

Right now? I'm not all that worried about Nintendo's direction. It's not like this is fourth or fifth year into the generation, the Wii is still pretty fresh on the shelf life. If this was E3 09 or 10, and this was all they had... then yes, I'd be a little more concerned. They'll have to look at this batch of software as the time to bridge forward, and go into the next develop meeting looking either to:

Create new gaming concepts that are both more engaging and deep, and yet still easy enough to pick up and use the motion in interesting and useful ways...
Develop more of a sense of community within the Wii itself. Community can really draw people together, and if you can actually sit down and, say, create a message board from your Wii to communicate with your Sports2 friends, casual gamers would have more reason to turn their software on more often. Sure, the family might not be around, but a few of the Bowling league is, maybe Susie Q. Public can team up with the rest of the Hamburgulars and put in a good showing at the All-Illinois Wii Bowling tourney.

If this is all you see in the Wii's lifespan, then it's safe to say Nintendo has failed, either because they got too greedy, or didn't look ahead very well to see a need to change.

Ampillion = That Man.

Damn, is there no way to edit a post? I really need to proofread!

H3lloWorld

It's official, watching a Blu Ray is a game, so the PS3 has like 300 games no other system has!

[shakes is blu-ray remote bringing up the pop up menu]

blurayforever143

@ampillion: by whose standard are you measuring. You see the good thing about postmodernism is that I can assign words to adapt to their context, that is, I can say or call anyone whatever the hell I want and still hit the nail on its proverbial nail. Additionally, the fallacy in your deconstruction of my post is that a douche = an asshole, yes I know you said akin, which means related or compatible, but a douche is not a synonym for asshole. People cannot physically look like a douche doing anything, but if you mean douche to be someone who looks like a dweeb, than, yes a person playing rb or gh or wii music or any other game could look like a douche. But, I think you are defining douche as someone who is arrogant or prideful; however, as stated before, words are prescribed meaning based on culture context, and here in the ghetto a douche is a dweeb. So, before you bash me on making a joke, please don't be intolerant.
P.S. I know the logical contradiction that I have created; however, I don't care.

H3lloWorld

If A > B, then A /= B.

So, if Wii Music is better than a video game, it clearly cannot be a video game. So, what is it?

Madoc

Could be mistranslation, Trinnan-style. I think he's talking about it being like a set of tools to be creative, e.g. Mario Paint. I'm still playing that game even today!

ThaiGrocer

@Demonbird: Sigh.

I'm not saying everyone's just sitting around, watching E3! What I AM saying, is that there is a lot of various press there. So while Resident X of Jamestown, Rhode Island might not give two shits about this here E3 thing, the fact that major press is there might just get the word to him that Nintendo is releasing some new software for the Wii that his family owns.

Ampillion = That Man.

@H3lloWorld: Awesome, even though it's not really like I looked at Wikipedia to research a term which is common nomenclature around here for 'asshole'. Really, all I was saying is.... why use douche when you mean dork? Why not just say... dork? I guess that would be a good ol' fashion slam against all slang, however.

Ampillion = That Man.

@Ampillion = That Man.:
And what I am trying to tell you is that those buyers you mention that are watching E3 at home ARE gamers. You'd get a story up on IGN faster by saying one word at E3 than you would anywhere else.

Demonbird

Hey guys, anyone else having trouble unlocking Freeza? like, i didn't think hard mode would be THIS hard... wai... wha? oh, sorry... i thought i was on gamefaqs for a second!

Seriously folks, Myamoto has said that they focused on the expanded market for this show because of the new interest by the general media. anybody read the article on msnbc.com?

oh, and...

stop bitching

stealthpengu

Come think of it, if you go to Yahoo, Google, MSNBC etc, they would say that "Nintendo steal the show" or something like that.

The thing is, "Hardcore gamers" does nto truly exist, not even in the form of Anonymous (the group that is against scientiology). If we want to express out desire, no matter whether it's truly hardcore or just addict (which is how my mom describe my hardcore gaming friend), we need to have better organization - not through ESA that protect gaming industry, but to form a group that speak out the interest of hardcore gamers (kind of like frats for hardcore gamers)

Jestersage

@Demonbird: What I'm saying though is... If they want to make a gaming announcement, they could stand in front of a brick wall, tell IGN that they're producing a co-production with Bungie, and in a matter of fifteen minutes, every gaming site on the interweb would have the story plastered on the front page. When the audience of E3 isn't gamers, but press (Yes, a lot of gaming press, but there's still plenty of non-gaming press as well.) it's not like they have to show off to gamers to 'win', there's no real buyers they need to impress there. The buyers are at home, reading the news or the sites, or the paper, whatever it might be.

Ampillion = That Man.

And Miyamoto said the words with a sneer, despising the medium he once loved so dear.

"And that's why its better then a video game."

The room full of Journos knew what this meant. Miyamoto was done with games. He was now more concerned with making money machines.

Ok, I'm overreacting. I need to get some sleep.

Thorax

@KevanB: As opposed to the other mega conglomerates in the gaming business that would produce their machines and live on lentils if it meant they could get the consoles to you!

Grow up, mindless allegiance to corporations is hopeless. If you are going to be a consumer - seek out what's best for you - doesn't matter who makes it as long as their practices (production methodology, enviro impact etc) don't irk you.

Don't go on and on buying anyone's products through some hapless notion of loyalty - NO company is loyal to it's customers.

syl1985

Of course its better than a video game. Its a money maker...er game!

I don't have a problem with it, looks pretty fun, even though its just a waggle fest.

Walker

@Madoc: Ahhh, there's a good comment!

Cheers for that - worth the wade!

syl1985