I can't help but feel that Mortal Kombat never evolved beyond it's gore-gimmick to become a balanced and deep fighter. Instead, it just keeps adding more gimmicks. The D.C. gimmick won't buy me off anymore than the gore one did 10 years ago.

Gives me a hankering or a MArvel v. Capcom game again. Or maybe Marvel v. DC v. Capcom. Ahhh....

OmegaVader

Wow, people LOVE to bitch, huh?

It seems that everyone nowadays rather just bitch and complain about a game that hasn't even been released than wait until it comes out and try it out yourself. This is for anyone who has said "OMG THIS GAME SUX LOL". What happened to the days that people could just buy a game, play it, and then say, "Well, that was actually pretty kickass." or "It wasn't that great."? Cause I sure as hell don't judge a book by its fucking cover (cause I did that with BioShock and that game was great).

While the game looks decent at the moment, I still can't help wanting to play it. Hell, 90% of Kotakus commenting saying that it's gonna suck are STILL going to play it just 'to play it'. So, why bitch? Cause your bored?

MKvDC is something different and I welcome it regardless of whether it sucks or not. As for the MvC fanboys(and girls), I don't wanna pick a fight, but please, SHUT THE FUCK UP. This is about MKvDC. Keep your bullshit to yourself; besides, I'll take the original MK or SF over MvC anyday.

HeartlessOmega

@resvrgam:

Whew...for a minute there I thought you were talkin Kasumi Ninja.
I was gonna have to have Chagi and Angus take your head off.
-Adam

ApocalypseVII

@exkon:
Perhaps that's because they didn't alter the core of the game to add the Capcom cast. What made street fighter was the crazy animations mixed with frenetic controls and a dash of OCD.
What makes Mortal Kombat? Ask anyone.
Fatalities. Now I'm no fan of MK anymore, but even I can see where this diagnosis gets more than a few people sick to their stomachs. Not to mention the fact that anyone can tell you that DC has as much character development as Duke Nukem.
Now if people can pass the fact that Mortal Kombat might have grown up and lost fatalities (irony anyone?) and that MK shares the same amazing character growth as DC and make the gameplay worth while then maybe there's something to this game.
But to compare it to MVsCapcom? Really?That game was awesome BECAUSE it didn't alter the recipe.
-Adam

ApocalypseVII

MK just needs to be put to rest. Seriously. It was a fighter based on gimmicks and that just doesn't cut it in this day and age with the modern competition it now faces. Boon and the crew just can't seem to step it up - they've had countless chances now.

Both the animation and the fighting system still look stiff and ancient and the artwork still looks like a trainwreck from the mid 90s.

Gimmicks alone get old... fast. I liked MKII, or so I thought. Loaded it up in FBA the other day for shits and giggles and boy did it disappoint. I can't begin to remember what I actually liked about it. That's gotta be a sign, when even nostalgia fails to sugarcoat a turd.

Cubby

Mortal Kombat vs. Blitz?! I would have loved to see the reaction if that had been given the green light.

Gouki4u's avatar has a severe case of Jekyll and Hyde

I LOVED the series' initial concept (a rip-off of Bruce Lee's 1997 masterpiece: Enter the Dragon). Ancient Kung-Fu masters and ninja was an amazing backdrop for the ultra-violence. When the ninja started looking like motocross riders and all sorts of otherworldly magic crap started appearing, I started losing interest. When robots and sci-fi entered the picture, I became disgusted.

If they would have stuck to their initial plan, I would have continued to support this series. Now, it's like an elderly pet we all know needs to be put down but no one wants to admit it.

resvrgam

I jsut hope its not the stunt double that stood in for halle Barry. It was a dude. hows that for ruining your fantasy!

By the way I am definetly getting this game the play just looked great.

onepoker

No MK vs. anything please... just... MK....

Skyburnbright

Not an MK fan. Not a DC fan. Something about this game just seems kinda cool, though. I'm not sure what it is (probably running through walls and air-combat mini-games when falling), but I'd be into checking this one out.

GorbyGipper

too much whining eh
there are so many "bad premises" which people don't cry about, it's funny that a crossover get to be hated so much, considering it's not something like Animal Crossing meets Resident Evil.

salaminizer

@exkon:
Words of truth

mascot1063

I had a dream that Capcom came out with Capcom Vs. WWE. With all of the crossovers these days, I'm not ruling out the possibility of that actually happening.

mrplow8

@Diddy_Mao: I see those bits as 'awesome' and 'fun'.

You've Street Fighter, Soul Calibur, Virtua Fighter, Tekken and many more for a 'serious' fighting game.

Mortal Kombat always seemed to me to be the one that was the most fun to play, and those gimmicky bits look to spice up the combat a bit.

Krondonian

@Datheron:
"...is it just me, or are the "fight while falling" and "zoom into close combat" features just gimmicky and removes some of the skill?"

I've long been of the opinion that the folks behind the Mortal Kombat franchise hate fighting games and do as much as they can to avoid actually having to be one.

Diddy_Mao

Why all the hate? As long as it has fatalities it's good enough. Let's not kid ourselves, MK has always been about violence. That's what made it fun. :)

kojirodensetsu

Mk vs DC = GARBAGE!!

cxplorer

@Sheen_Latrine: Ew. Halle Berry as Catwoman = PHAIL.

Catwoman would inevitably have a nice ass. She is the sweet ass of the Batman series.

Lainface

i know that these comments sections are for discussion and sensible exchanges of opinion, but this game just looks like shit to me. i can't see it any other way.

laser beams

I didn't think it was "that" bad unless I managed to steer clear of the negativity cesspool which I frequently find myself drowning in most of the time :)

okenny :)

Still needs more Doctor Manhattan.

GregoriusH

After seeing some videos in action, I think it's gonna be a fun game to play. I didn't think Too Human was gonna be a good game until I played the demo. So you never know.

ShizzleBeef

Until I see video proof otherwise, I'm assuming that the "fatalities" will be on par with the SNES MK1 Fatalities.

Show me someone tearing Wonder Woman's head off, then we'll talk.

/yea, I know it's stupid and immature, but over the top, gratuitous violence is the foundation of MK.

dry-roasted-peanuts

@TheIrishNinja: Yeah, but the Mortal Kombat series has always sucked.

Oh yeah, Heath Ledger did suck as a funny joker. He didn't make me laugh at all.

Arsenicberyllium

Of course they didn't think it would be that bad. They still think the MK games past 3 were/are good lol.

KrsJin

Seriously? I would totally buy MK vs Blitz. I'm not joking in the least.

Channing

@TheIrishNinja: The internet is a gigantic network designed solely for the purpose of locating and identifying things to hate.

Fnor

@Mesren_Makai: Thanks for the clear up. I was starting to wonder about that decision.

AcidCrownie

@Shalashaska: Plus did we even have the internet back when the first Vs games were made?

Billkwando

It Mortal Kombat football who be kinda nice for an add-on such as chess kombat.

ShadowScale

@RonJeremy4Pres: but uh, what if it turns out to be a lot of fun?

TheIrishNinja

I LOVE the close combat stuff! Reminds me of the brutal fist fight at the end of *spoiler?* MGS4.. Which oddly enough, felt a lot better and was more fun than a lot of fighting games I've played!

Namssorg

@exkon: No one batted an eye because Capcom made awesome Marvel games, and Street Fighter was the best fighter out there. Marvel Super Heroes was great with its sprites and gameplay. Throw in the equally outrageous SF/Capcom world and it didn't disappoint. Mortal Kombat has generally disappointed with each new release, so it's natural some would see their treatment of the DC franchise a poison.

We've seen the screenshots, we've seen the videos. The animations look just as bad as every 3D MK since Deadly Alliance. They need some artistic and motion direction on that game badly. Why do Superman and Batman have stances like they want to take a shit? Why do they flail instead of punch? The characters may come from a comic, but why do their animations look comical, laughable? We're not knocking it because we don't know, but because we do.

Shalashaska

Bad reception? This is the first MK game I am actually looking forward to since MK II.

Namssorg

@ObZen: Yes. Moar digitized people from down at the gym.

I sound sarcastic but I love the idea. Pesina, Pak and DiVizio FTW! (sorry I don't remember you, Sonya lady!)

Billkwando

Oh, I guess I am the only one that though MK vs DCU sounded awesome.

Oh well.

BoSU

I still don't get why everyone is shitting on this game. From the gameplay footage I've seen it looks fun as hell and I don't even like fighters.

Plus, hopefully we've got MvC3 coming.

TK423

This "Fighting franchise vs Comic book publisher" trend needs to be put to rest. The MK vs Blitz idea would have at least inspired EA to remake Mutant League Football.

Ed_209

@TRT-X:
Pretty much anything anyone does that changes from the norm is gonna get negative reactions, no matter what it's about.

When you're doing a fresh take on something, bad reactions are pretty much a given.

Coquiton

Boon is a nice guy, but honestly.. He doesn't really play games, nor does he seem to have a grip on what consumers want.

weasl

This is still the worst premise I have ever heard of for a video game and I'm very thankful no one will ever make me play it.

RonJeremy4Pres

I will play this game for one reason and one reason only:

To perform fatalities on Superman.

How can the most iconic superhero also be the lamest piece of shit ever!?

Anyway...someone already mentioned it, but damn...the animation doesn't quite look fluid yet, does it?

Phroby

Well...Wonder Woman could always sneak in a neck snapper fatality. lol

Kiyosuki

I have a few fighters (SF II SNES, Soul Calibur 1 & 2, MK 2 & 3) but I have absolutely no interest in having a balanced, perfected fight system.

I get some friends around and play Soul Calibur and laugh our arses off as Voldo weaves around Astaroth's legs. We spend about half an hour trying to work out how the hell one of us managed to get Scorpion to impale the other guy with a huge chain thing.

That's after upside down Mario Kart, or drunken WarioWare games.

We do it because it's fun as hell. I'm perfectly happy with MK sticking in some super-heroes, and losing a bit of gore for that cause. We'll always have the next one after all.

All I'm saying is that for me, MK 8 looks more fun than SC IV, or Virtua Fighter 5. The only other fighter I'll be getting for a long while will be Street Fighter. Because it looks amazing, too.

Krondonian

Why the hell are people still under the impression there are no fatalities? Wasn't this already fucking sorted out?

Jesus, people. If you want to rail on the game, fine, but dammit: Educate yourself first!

HT Tenrai

@AcidCrownie: There ARE Fatalities.

Villains and MK combatants have the option so I've heard.

DC Heroes, no.

Mesren_Makai

everybody hates on the internets. people thought ledger would suck as joker initially.

just do your thing and dont mind us, your product'll shut a lotta mouths if its well done. Also, let Dyack know this too, could help you guys sleep better.

TheIrishNinja

Am I one of the few who thinks this is an AWESOME idea?

And it looks amazing so far.

Batman taking on the Sub-Zero (and maybe even Reptile) ?

Scorpion ripping off Flash's head?
WITH signs of damage?

And even so, you still have Jax fighting Liu Kang, if you decide for some ungodly reason to expel yourself of any DC playing in the game, let mandatory through story.

It's a giant nerdgasm. And it reminds me of a beefed up Justice League Task Force (Genesis/SNES) mixed with Mortal Kombat. To this day I still think Darkseid looked like Apocalypse from XMen video games....

Mesren_Makai

@TheRemedy:

Well, this might be the first step if the reception is good.

HT Tenrai

@AcidCrownie: Yes there are fatalities in the game.

Mortal Kombat characters and DC villains can execute fatalities.

DC heroes get something along the lines of brutalities, because you know super heroes don't kill..

exkon

Marvel vs Capcom = AWESOME!!

Mortal Kombat vs DC WTF!?!? RAGE

The gaming community is sure bi-polar.

Funny, everyone keeps asking "How does Superman get hurt!?", "What's the storyline between the two universes?"

MvC2, they just threw a whole bunch of characters and no one pipes up a god damn bit...

exkon

@Hulkamaniac: Mutant League for next gen consoles? I'm IN!

djricekcn

Blitz would have been awesome. Imagine the fatalities.

I also demand MK Vs. Family Matters. With John Candy as the announcer.

ShaggE

@Arsenicberyllium: Wait. There aren't fatalities? I just lost all interest in this game. Is it too much to ask to be able to rip Superman apart or impale him on a wall every now and then?

AcidCrownie

@Talleyrand: They do explain it in the story.

Neon

I think I actually prefer MK Blitz.

Pezdispenser

I would have rather had a competent DC fighter sans the MK characters.

TheRemedy

@Talleyrand: No. I think they finally did say, like last week or something, that there would be fatalities. But, for the longest time, the announcement coming through the pipeline was "no".

Arsenicberyllium

I remember playing Blitz '98 on my N64. It was great. Mixed with MK (or recently released, for that matter)? Not so much.

AcidCrownie

It's not the DC that people dont like.

It's that its not rated "M for Mature" w/ gory fatalities.

string_theory

@Hulkamaniac: I'd rather have a new Deathrow game, cause Frisbees are better than footballs. Plus Deathrow is the best sports game ever.

Placentasaurus

Oh, nm I see an above commenter says there will be no fatalities. Better, but still doesn't seem right!

Talleyrand

MK X should be scrapped in favor of the GREATEST crossover of ALL TIME! Please choose one of the following:

A) MK vs Smackdown AND Raw
B) MK vs GI JOE
C) MK vs the SpongeBob Squarepants
D) MK vs Sanrio (Hello Kitty, etc.)
E) MK vs Nintendo (Wii exclusive)

The polls will be open until September 2009! Vote Today!

Phester

On one hand, I guess it's admirable of them to try to emulate the Marvel vs. Capcom concept.

On the other hand, MvC was built on top of a very solid X-Men/Marvel Super Heroes engine, and they balanced the two sides by upping the Capcom heroes' moves instead of dumbing down Marvels'. Plus, the two sides already existed as fighting games.

And on a tangent, is it just me, or are the "fight while falling" and "zoom into close combat" features just gimmicky and removes some of the skill? Then again, it's not like people have Mortal Kombat tourneys...

Datheron

The idea of a normal person kicking the shit out of Superman just doesn't do it for me. What about fatalities? Are you gonna rip Superman's spine out? He stopped a bullet with his eyeball FFS!

Talleyrand

@Wreckoner: would be good if they could form some kind of partnership like capcom and snk just to make that game possible.

DaveStampeed

Actually, I didn't give a care about Mortal Kombat Vs. DCU when I first heard about it.
I just kind of thought "Oh. Cool. A rip-off of Marvel Vs. Capcom. Whatever"

Then, when the rumors came out that DC was putting a strangelhold on the game (IE: No fatalities to protect their hero's image), and I thought "Well, considering Mortal Kombat essentially has the worst fighting system ever, and relies entirely on its Fatalities for me to enjoy them, this is going to be a big steaming pile of crap."

I have a feeling this is how many others reacted.

Arsenicberyllium

@Llost: I am 100% with you and have been advocating this for quite some time. Go back to 2D. Bring back the actors. But use today's storage capacity and technology to really push the envelope of what 2D can do.

ObZen

It's a weird concept, though video gaming has a lot of whiners in its ranks...

Still though it's not impossible to understand but as long as it's pretty good.

Kiyosuki

@jive238: They're talking about the NFL Blitz series, the latest I believe...Blitz: the League, yes. =(

Datheron

@Hulkamaniac: Yeah I'd be happier with a 2D MK game than a 3D one to be honest. The 3D ones seem to have not kept up with the times of fighting games very well. A cooler 2D game with much better design would bring it back to it's roots well too.

Llost

Enjoyable gameplay or whatnot, MK vs. DC is still some pretty offbeat stuff that will never sit right with me.

ChiChi_BBQ

I've been waiting for Mortal Kombat versus Street Fighter since I was nine or ten.

Wreckoner

What is blitz? They don't mean "blitz the league" do they?

jive238

I keep hearing references to MK3. If it's anything like that, I'll play it.

Wolfers

Well, Mortal Kombat Vs Blitz... how about make a Football game with mortal kombat characters, and make it completely hardcore insane action.

Hulkamaniac

MK vs Transformers?

mustang

But they DID expect it to be bad.

...Usually that's a sign that it's a bad idea.

TRT-X

i think they were better off just making a new "2D" mortal kombat for us all to enjoy rather then doing weird crap.

Hulkamaniac

hah, really? blitz?
glad they went with DC how could they go wrong.
aslong as its a solid fighter it should be ok but from what ive seen it looks a bit jerky in the animations.

DaveStampeed

Is it Halle Berry?

Sheen_Latrine

Mortal Kombat vs. Blitz? What an AWESOME idea! *sarcasm*

Gekopa

it is not the crossover itself that is bad.
It is the visuals and the animations that are bad.

Gutter_Trash

While we are at it, don't forget to flame SoulCal for its gimmick of console exclusive characters (again). SoulCal, Tekken, Vitual Fighter, DOA; there is something in each of these games that is perfect for someone. If you like fighters, chances are, you like most of these franchises. If you don't then feel free to go comment in a gears of war post.

tripl333

Why do any of you actually take the mortal kombat series as a serious technical fighter. It NEVER was. I've loved the series from the start, with every campy, gimmicky 'improvement' (sic) they've made over the years. They looked at the success of Marvel/Cap (another one of my fav's), and said, "why not?". Exactly, Why not? They aren't trying to reinvent the fighting game, or blow everyones mind with a completely different experience. They are just trying to have some fun with the people who will enjoy it. It's nice to know that all of the commenters here all make games for a living and can provide some technical criticism based on a 'choppy' demo vid. If you don't like the idea, don't play, don't buy, don't bitch. I like Cap/SNK, Guilty Gear, MK, KI, Marvel, Powerstone, hell, any fighter, they all have good points. Relax, it's just a game.

tripl333

@Billkwando: That, too, was going to be part of my argument. But I don't remember anyone ever saying "WTF is this crap?". The multiple magazines I remember reading at the time were generally favorable because the SF formula was so accepted. As it's been said, MK was seen as more gimmicky and degraded with each installment. This game seems more like desperation than a good idea.

@HeartlessOmega: Yeah, it does seem like an awful lot of bitching. I feel like our collective disapproval of the same issues (animation in particular) is our voice to tell them "Hey fix that shit!". It (maybe) worked with hot dog arms, why not stiff punching arms?

Shalashaska

well its cus the 2 univerces dont match at all, and the game doenst look good at all. its so sad they scrapped an actuall MK game for this cross-over mess. this wont have anywhere near the succes of Marverl vs. Capcom

AgitoXIII

Updated impressions? Catwoman's got a fantastic ass. << Sweet.

vaccination

haven't played mk since the third one and it was a fun and good game. MK vs DCU looks like a fine game to me and if you don't like it you could at least justify why you don't like it with something better than 'It's got no fatalities dude' or 'Superman is immortal this is a stupid game'

G_the_fresh

Hey, Marvel vs. Capcom seemed like a random idea at the time at it turned out to be pretty fantastic, didn't it?

tk.

@tk.:

MVsCapcom wasn't random at all. You might recall at the time Capcom had already been licensing Marvel products for a bit. Punisher, Xmen (SNES), Children of the Atom, Infinity Gem Marvel games, so they just merged the two LEAST random ideas they had at the time. They already had the stuff up and running, they simply just said, "Hey, let's pool together this stuff and add some new gameplay elements."
You know what seemed like a random idea?
DC versus MK.
That's pretty random. But I did like someones suggestion for Sanrio versus MK. I know most of you want to see Hello Kitty open a can but fear not...I'd MUCH rather see Keropi take Sonya out with some crazy ass Animality.

On a side note, anyone else remember that crazy ass Japanese fighting game that had Barbie VS Optimus Prime (I am not making this up.)It played like Smash Bros.
-Adam

ApocalypseVII

We only reacted how video game blogging jounralists told us to react.

StillLee

"so be thankful you're getting what you're getting."

go frag yourself.

Sh3rpa

If they kept the weapons aspect, they could do MK vs SC. I think they could mesh those two worlds simply. MK vs SF would be cool, but Street Fighter isn't typically about killing. I would play it though.

Ryodestined

I'm not adverse at face value to the cross over of mortal kombat and DC, But...

Have you seen the game? It looks fucking horrrrrrrrrible. Midway needs to hire some people that know what people look like when they fight. The characters in the new MK games look like giant plastic dolls fighting each other. It looks so unnatural.

RPGEmperor

How many people are die-hard comic nerds? How many people will almost get into fistfights over which superhero could beat which? How many people would take a dislike to Superman being killed by a ninja?

Now because of the way American comics work, consider that these people probably layer several generations...

I don't know how the backlash could come as a surprise...

(personally I don't care which way either side goes, haha)

fuchikoma

I wanted Mortal Kombat Vs Eastenders.

Spoffoth

I laugh every time I hear someone say something like "MK needs to be put to rest." Pretty much every MK game gets good reviews and makes a lot of money. That doesn't sound like a dying franchise to me.

I don't know why these anti-MK trolls on the internet think that their opinion is automatically the majority.

Every MK game is decent at worst. Street Fighter, on the other hand, has had some flat out terrible games. Anyone remember the Street Fighter EX games? And if you want to talk about bad crossovers, try playing Capcom Fighting Evolution for more than 10 minutes. I don't see anyone saying Street Fighter needs to be put to rest.

Most of the negative reactions to MK Vs. DC are coming from people who just want to jump on the "Let's hate MK" band wagon.

mrplow8

I think it'll be fun, but I've always enjoyed (most) Mortal Kombat games. Too easy to sneer at stuff before it's out.

TearsandScreams

McWherter, man, who are you working for...midway? You know that game is piece of crap, visually anyway. And who are all these commenters prasing the game when just yesterday, barely anyone would even acknowlege this game. Either you guys are wishy washy or just going with the crowd. I'm going to stick with my view...it looks like a piece of shit I don't care who says it otherwise. Go back and read yesterday's comment, everything people were complaining about is true.

karateka

I'm hoping to see Lobo make the DC roster, he's got that long
chain with the hook on the end... perfect against MK characters.

stronty

So when does Super Smash Bros MK come out? Can't wait for the Scorpion vs Jigglypuff or Kirby fights. Imagine how cool Kirby would look dressed up as Scorpion.

Hardcore1

I'm sorry, I think the whole MK Vs DC is a fucking stupid idea anyway.

Bar Batman and Superman, DC has no discernible characters, Marvels obviously been done, so they could have gone for another publisher like Dark Horse, Image or Top Cow.

Or wait, how about making a Vs. Game that the fans actually want, like Oh.... Mortal Kombat Vs. Street Fighter???

Esepcially since Capcom games are shite with Vs. now. Capcom Vs. Tatsunoko, yeah i'm sure that'll sell by the bucket load in the west.

GuruLarry

these franchises go way back did you guys see the latest screwattack? It shows batman using the Mk engine or atleast fight style. The video is long but it is entertaining especially the button rant.

[www.gametrailers.com]

onepoker