@UNRIVALED: I would say the mass appeal was more so because of the smooth gameplay and how noob friendly it is. Anybody can pick it up and get a handful of kills.

get2theDeLorean

@UNRIVALED:

troll

CoD3 wasn't spectacular imo, but I did finish it and it was a good time waster. The graphics are looking good and hopefully treyarch will have learned some things from CoD3. The gunner screen's look sexy.

Hafgrim

Jesus christ! I hope these aren't bullshots like some of the Cod4 ones are!

NessD12

I'm not a huge fan of WWII games, but if they manage to capture the brutality of the eastern european and japanese fronts then I think I could muster up some interest.

kusarigama

@UNRIVALED: Are you trying to write in english? I can't tell. Maybe its sarcasm?

belo

The lighting in these screenies is great, but the textures are really low-res. I hope they improve on those...

HamThePharoah

COD4 blows ppl only like it because of graphics and how its done in the real time of today....and since this one isnt ppl dont like it how f'd up is that... w.e

Socom> all

UNRIVALED

I'm looking forward to this. Sure there are MANY WWII games, but very few good one's (in the online multiplayer aspect, atleast). But this one looks like a lot of fun. I love the single shot bolt action rifles and old-timey weaponry in general.

get2theDeLorean

@pylon_trooper: Mine says "take one per day if Call of Duty is mentioned and is set during WW2" on the label :)

DigiMish

@pylon_trooper:

People should also remember that treyarch made Cod3 in EIGHT MONTHS. So if they can do that in eight months then i want to know what they can do with more time. I hope world at war is it.

CCCombobreaker

@Luke Plunkett: Wait, what do you mean "there"? I thought they had no booth.

DigiMish

I think this game looks pretty cool, and I may wind up picking it up. Sure there are a lot of WW2 games out there, but I haven't gone out and purchased every one that comes out so I haven't really burned myself out on them yet. I guess we'll see how this one fares once its released and see what people say, and hopefully it's more than just "it's another WW2 game so it sucks."

Dullshimmer

I assume the majority of Kotaku commentators took their "meh" tablets this morning, then. It's good to see SOME people who are interested. I'm curious to see how this one turns out.

Yeah, yeah, WWII - we know. It's been done. But so has the universe all those bald space marines come from, too.

pylon_trooper

@laughingmangits: Whether that was intended to be funny or not, that was the most hilarious thing I've read today.

minimelo321

Looking good, most people seem to be complaining for the sake of complaining.

WWII will actually be a nice change of pace, given the recent amount of future/near future/alternate past games that are on the market.

laughingmangits

I promised myself after CoD3 I was done with any WW2.

Give me the Korean War! Exciting times hunkered down in the DMZ! A must have!

Vau

meh

bobdisgea

Treyarch had such a good excuse for why CoD3 was subpar (8 month dev time), that I'd like to give them a second chance. It's a small consolation for the return to history's most game-inspiring war but at least it's not the European Theater again. Would it kill anyone to make an FPS set at Waterloo?

wanion

@BonoMan: It'll be pushed. Activision are "there", just not as part of E3.

Luke Plunkett

Screens look fine. Treyarch has to overcome the poor level design thats plagued their last CoD game.

Philudo

@Fadakar: Exactly.

InsidiousTuna

graphics look great. I may pick this up.

Netnavi

Wait...Activision isn't attending e3 this year right? So no COD push next week (well unless they do it on their own which is totally plausible)...also no GH:WT demo at e3 either :(.

BonoMan

This title doesn't interest me at all for some reason... I'm really burnt on WWII games.

I'm sure I'll rent it but right now that's all I'll be doing.

Murderdolls

Hard to even muster any interest in another WWII game.

MyLittlePwny

Looks pretty poor.

HaydenTenno

Screen 3 is amazing, I can't wait for this. CoD3 was in no means bad, just not as good as 2, I don't see why people are giving Treyarch such a hard time with this. This game is going to be great.

Fadakar

Hot. Especially the turret gunner screen.

InsidiousTuna

Look out behind you mr. tank man, it's the predator!

Murdoc

Still not feeling it. Granted, I've always been pretty cold towards the CoD games because of the ridiculous amount of scripting and seemingly lack of reactive AI but this one is just not doing it for me.

I think that the combination of less than a year between the two games, the return to WWII, the same missions that have been around since the first game, etc. is just...boring. Maybe a demo or some hands on previews will change my mind but I doubt it.

/soapbox rant

jihadjoe343

Hell yes vehicles! The only thing that COD4 was missing.

Chewbenator

Remember folks comment smart or dont comment at all.

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These new screenshots look pretty decent and once again am curious to see how Treyarch does with their take on the PTO and all the insane shit that went on.

Witzbold

I'm liking some of the camera angles here. Very nice. I'm actually starting to become sold on this. I could do WW2 again since it's been awhile, only if this is the last time for the COD series.

kylo4

looks great

warxsnake

@sir_carrot: Nope, it ain't just you. Getting sick of WW2 games...

ghostadv

Ugh, enough with the Call of Duty games! Hell, enough with the WWII games!

Solertia

Is it just me, or does it look a little bland?

sir_carrot

@UNRIVALED: You might want to put a little more thought into your comments, not that they are particularly bad or anything but they could certainly use a little spicing up. For example, calling the Kotaku writers Xbox 360 fanboys won't get you any Kotakuite points. Consider it friendly feedback. Yes, I do have an unhealthy obsession with checking every posters history, well... the bad ones at least.

I'm looking forward to this game, but I probably won't get around to buying it until early '09. It comes out at the same time as Gears of War 2, after all. I'm positive that Treyarch will do a good job with this game, an extra 16 months over their last effort (CoD 3) should help considerably.

Libo

This looks great!
I can't wait for this.

The pacific theater has only been done in like, 3 games, most (if not all) are Medal of Honor (bleh!).
It'll be great to see the Pacific theater done by CoD (i.e, without any lone wolfing). Especially since it's gonna be a gritty CoD!

Coquiton

@laughingmangits: Right, It's good to have shooters with variety. What a shame WWII was so hot for such a long time because I don't want to see the idea of a WWII game become the equivalent of a hollywood western movie. I support the developers that are trying to claim the title of best (insert time period) game on the curent market.
Btw I want a Red Dead Revolver 2 Rockstar!

Gunloc

@UNRIVALED: U R TEH ROXORZ 1337 GAMAR.

This is Kotaku, we don't speak like that around here, cool?

Back to the topic at hand: I'm actually sick of the CoD games with their respawning enemies and the uber-players who play online way too much.

I never used to like Battlefield before, but Bad Company has shown me how little I miss the CoD games. Oh well, maybe Quantum of Solace will float my boat...

Crosswayboy

@UNRIVALED: q f'd. q f'd dpsht.

LmaoTseTung

@belo:

Look at his comments history, most of it is literally gibberish.

Crabfeast

Sweet another one of those large plane missions where you play as a gunner! The one where you are a turret gunner on a bomber in CoD1 was one the most memorable moments in the whole CoD series for me, especially the other moments after with the same character.

DranzerKire

@kylo4: sure, but camera angles don't a game make. camera angles in screenshots are set up to be dramatic for PR purposes (see killzone 2, etc.). it doesn't mean this game is going to be great.

personally, i don't think i can fire another thompson submachinegun in a video game again. ever. unless this game is the end all be all, the bee's knee's as it were, game of the year, 10/10, i just can't bring myself to buy it. shame really. cod4 was so good. yes, i know treyarch/infinity ward. but dammit.

3inst3in

Well, I can definitely tell that it's made using the COD4 engine, most apparent in the screen with the Russian guy.

Sammo21

No, no, no, they're doing it all wrong! Can't they see what we want these days? They have the setting down perfectly, having us play one man in a war-torn world, but the man is just some soldier!

What this game really needs is some 50 Cent. Possibly mix in some time-traveling.

But seriously, I think too many people here are not fans of giving people second chances. As far as gaming has gone for me, I've always given another chance to those who might have flopped the first time, and I am usually more or less satisfied the next time around.

Schmatz

I'm so over WWII shooters

Hobbes

The gun turret screens look awesome but I still doubt this'll keep people away from COD4.

kadaj24

@Schmatz:

"and I am usually more or less satisfied the next time around."

what a glowing endorsement.

MyLittlePwny

From these screens and the Quantum of Solace trailer yesterday, it looks like Treyarch may have actually improved the graphics on the COD4 engine a bit. I must say that if this actually does have full co-op and a campaign mode of decent length, I'll probably go for it.

Spartan1308™

ooooo purdy :)

DeathBeforeDishonor

Oh crap, can't edit my post, but I forgot to mention that MP is where CoD/CoD:UO(especially) and CoD4 shine. Think about it, with the internet and all, MP is the biggest fad. Any game that comes out these days with purely SP capabilities at best will only do well. MP capabilities increases not only the fun value, but the longevity of such game.

OiScout

In response to:
Scripted AI - Fine, I actually semi-like it. CoD's SP is a story telling game. Are you gonna crap on the Metal Gears because the game is scripted and the AI is semi-predictable? It's a story telling medium. Hell, in many competitive sports, you can predict your opponents, if they are trained. That is to say, if you are a boxer, you can predict the movement of someone who is a trained boxer more than you can predict a newb.

On top of that, CoD4 is modern. Many people aren't history junkies, or even WWII junkies. All they know is the M16 is the shizz(arguable), the Uzi is fast shooting and inaccurate as hell(false), and .50 cal rifles are the best(arguable again). They aren't WWII junkies, nor are they weaponsmiths.

I'm glad it's returning to WWII. I had some of my best gaming experiences in the original CoD. Though having SC2, D3, and Fallout 3 coming out some time, I may lose 20+ years of my life to gaming.

OiScout

@OiScout: Btw nice to see someone else who knows their weapons here.

If you think COD4 is bad just wait till you see what goes on in BFBC. ;D

Though I still love the game regardless, its just the adjusting to how they did the damage modeling and such which is what takes patience.

Witzbold

Id really like to see if they can "change" the lone wolf mentality COD4 created with players on teams and hopefully COD5 will create a more proper squad based experience.

As silly as it may sound it would be nice if they broke it up into squads or at least let folks pick their weapons / gear load outs allowing for medics or demo folks and what not.

Since when you throw medics into the mix and engineers it really helps folks stick together a bit better and such I do feel.

Kinda like how Battlefield Bad Company folks kinda seem to be learning how to stick together now due to how classes work.

Granted I think that game has quite a bit to go in terms of proper balance and all but thats besides the point.

But Im looking for a more team based experience since a bit sick of the one man army approach that goes on in COD4.

Witzbold

Looks great but, why haven't they caught onto the DX10 idea? It would be nice to see what DX10 could bring to this game.

Floreum

@Witzbold: "But Im looking for a more team based experience since a bit sick of the one man army approach that goes on in COD4. "

I wish I could agree, but I hate trying to rely on crappy people in the game who don't know or try to take A or B or C, and when to defend it once we have it. And people don't listen or say anything tactical on heasets, at least on PS3.

kadaj24

@Witzbold: And thats why I never, ever touch CoD4 online anymore, and I play TF2 instead. The community isn't always perfect, but the people you play with in that game are generally much better team players than the ones you find in CoD4. It also helps that the design of TF2 encourages strong team play.

Mini-Boss

I really don't get the popularity of COD 4, so I'll likely sit this one out. I just got off of playing it and it can just be such an irritating game. It's just that so many matches get so impossibly lopsided. We'd win one by a ton, then lose by a ton. Let's put it in Halo terms, which I obviously prefer based on my avatar (though I also prefer UT, Gears, Resistance, etc etc.)

I play a ranked game of Team Slayer. I am level 2 and just started playing yesterday, but even in a ranked game I play level 55. My gun has no scope, doesn't zoom, less shields and fewer grenades. My battle rifle takes 4 shots to put you down, while yours take 2 or 3. They get a radar and I don't because I lost the inital duel due to inferior weaponry.

When the opponent predictably gets a killing spree, lasers shoot from the sky and kill me where I spawn, just to unbalance it some more. After the lasers kill me, the other team gets an A.I. controlled banshee that hovers over my head, killing me where I spawn, and I may or may not have a weapon that can kill it, even if I live long enough.

It's just not fun to get spawnkilled constantly, and it's just not fun to own people that way either.

I guess people like the fact that they can totally decimate the other side, or they are addicted to earning the next level or whatever. Even the fact that you can't see what weapons your teammates are choosing is annoying. I had a game where we all grabbed shotties and then got picked off by their snipers because we had no retailiation. By the time we switched classes, we were getting air striked and coptered to oblivion and it was pointless. We couldn't even move out of our spawns.

I just don't get why they don't use Truskill behind the scenes more effectively on 360 at least, to even out the player skill. It's all so random. And the runaway popularity of the game makes it more likely that its gonna get cloned and these features are going to pop up elsewhere, which sucks.

/rant

lionkitten

CoD4 does have a squad mentality as long as you play it with friends and your party is the entire team. that way you know who will be sniping, who will be using a P90/AK-74u for the close and personal battles, and who will be positioned in the mid-ground with an M16/G3/M4.

that way you have the majority of the map and most situations covered. if the opposition happens to call in a helicopter then a bout of team shooting brings it down within seconds.

i prefer CoD4 over all other FPS out there - even taking into account my halo insignia avatar here! - as it places a lot of emphasis on map control and tactical awareness, over and above twitch gameplay. if you know how to flank someone, or where they will be going, then you can anticipate their movements and act accordingly.

i would counter the argument by Witzbold who says it is a lone wolf game, as though one person may come out on top in kills or score, without the contribution of his team mates they would be left high and dry.

illocon

@illocon: Also proof against your last sentence look at teams where the rest of the team real low scores but one player has 3 digit score. The team doesnt matter to a player who is good enough to function on his own. Since most of the time unskilled players will only really wind up in getting the better one killed by either getting in the way or causing friendly fire incidents.

The only thing other lower skilled players do is basically act as distractions to the opposing team. So I wouldnt exactly call that a contribution as you state it.

Witzbold

@illocon: Think about how the game is made.

Its designed to award folks who go run off on their own more than team efforts. Even more so how you dont get credit for your "challenges" unless you perform the kills yourself.

The game is designed against team play due to how the leveling / exp system rewards folks. So it burns that into peoples minds more than anything causing the lone wolf mentality in a majority of players. Which by far outnumbers those who can play tactically and as a team.

That is what I am saying.

Witzbold

@Witzbold: I love the game, but I have to agree, it's essentially "Kill everyone who isn't on your team," and that's it. No real tactics.

Granted that could just be because I play on the PS3, but mostly no one even wants to communicate with each other. You'll see a few of headset icons, and a bunch of silent players all doing their own thing.

Thorax

Looks sweet, i loved the bombing mission in big red one.

nitram100

@Thorax: Its the same on the 360. Asides from your average screechers and other folks you want to shove your boot through their faces.

It is rare when you will find people who are actually communicating proper, or more like know how to communicate for that matter.

Hardcore games is slightly more tactical due to the single life. But not many folks play hardcore so.

Id really like it better if the way the private chat function worked was that it allowed for multiple people in a private chat and not just only 1 on 1. That way you could have your group of friends in a private chat without having to fuck around with goddamned muting everyone else.

Witzbold

Though the premise feels tired, it certainly looks attractive graphically. I'll keep a skeptical eye on it.

RIDErepublic

Wii demand Wii screenies!

Shiryu

They're going for almost completely monochromatic tones now.

lumpi

@wanion: Is that Waterloo as in the railway station? I'd go for that. The battle with Napoleon? Not so much... but at least it's not WW2.

quen

If you could fly the PBY-5A in COD4, then maybe I would have played it. But the Catalina was retired long before 'modern warfare'. Only in WWII will you find flying boats, and I gotta say, its inclusion has just raised my interest level.

Mutton-Chops

@MyLittlePwny: I guess I'm just easy to please :)

Schmatz

What a shame.. another WWII game.

They should have just made CoD5:Modern Warfare 2. It will surely be another big hit. They can milk it with all it's worth.

These guys are just bad on grasping the opportunity.

xCruciaLx

All I really ask for is NO MORE NORMANDY.

Everything else so far I seem to be quite pleased with.

Witzbold

Fadakar: Screen 3 is amazing, I can't wait for this. CoD3 was in no means bad, just not as good as 2, I don't see why people are giving Treyarch such a hard time with this.

They went back to WW2 yet again. I'm basically done with pure WW2 games for the next five years.

lordargent

@xCruciaLx:

Well, it's Treyarch, so of course it will go back to World War 2. My whole issue with Treyarch is the fact that Call of Duty 3 was a satisfying game, granted, it made me feel like it was a place holder in the series as Call of Duty 2 and Call of Duty 4 (Both made by Infinity Ward) have now placed COD3 in the eternal backseat of the series, but I guess certain play mechanics in COD3 really turned me off. For instance, I didn't enjoy the "tap the shoulder buttons as fast as possible while in a hand-to-hand fight for my life against a German soldier" mechanic. Furthermore, the narrative just felt lacking in a way that I wasn't compelled to play COD3 in the same was I was drawn into COD2/COD4 a lot more in the sense that I never lost sleep over the game made by Treyarch. Infinity Ward however caused me to not only lose sleep but a day of work or two over the their games.

AndrewG009

@ Witzbold

i see your points and i can see where you are coming from, but in my experience i would disagree with a number of them. but as they are opinions - and therefore subjective - they cannot be wrong.

its one of the wonderful aspects of life that people can see an object from many different angle.

sorry, that was far too reasonable and mature, i should have replied with STFU j00 nOOb i'll rape you wit my 1337 p90 skilz0rz yo.

illocon

@lordargent:

I was going to say the same thing, till I seen how they are doing it with Japan... now it looks sick and seems to take WW2 games to the next level and show how WW2 WAS in the Pacific Theater.

EnigmaNemesis

@HaydenTenno:

Looks pretty blind.

EnigmaNemesis