@HellKaiser: Hironobu Sakaguchi made Final Fantasy, was involved with the series up to FFX, left Square-Enix, and started Mistwalker and made Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey.

josh924

All he is saying is that true exclusives matter, and that xbox getting FFXIII does nothing but make that game a mute point. As far as GTA is concerned it was the same deal and as of yet exclusive DLC does't matter. Only true exclusive like MGS4 help NPD numbers.

This statement would work just as well if you put Gears 2 were MGS4 is.

I thought it was pretty coherent.

Guttlesswonder

@Odd_Fact: Well I'm sorry but GTA4 was definitely the most anticipated title of 2008 across platforms. It might have been underwhelming for some, but if you ask any PS3/360 owner their most awaited multiplatform game GTA4 comes in head of the list. So saturation is hardly a factor here, especially with 10/10 reviews flying everywhere (unlike MGS4 reviews being reviewed by guys basically starting with "I've always hated MGS"). And wasn't there a $50 rebate for any 360 sold with GTA4? MS did all they could to push it, but when the dust is settled one has to wonder if it was worth it. And now we are going into the funny world of (Japanese) RPGs. Not as popular, FF13 is due out very, very late, it won't be available in Japan, etc etc. Then again, a fuckton of consoles could be sold in either side (especially now that 360 is the new PS2 in terms of JRPGs) and make any logical analysis now invalid later. So like I said let's just leave foreseeing to analysts and shareholders. For all we know FF13 might be a turd, and like many commenters pointed out, most 360 fans just want to see Sony lose a strategic exclusive and they don't really care about the game (I don't personally). Dille said what he had to as a PR person, just with a poor wording. And these poor words might come and bite his ass later on. Or not.

FP_slomo788

@Odd_Fact: Just to play Devil's advocate, do you think Konami was happy with their previous attempts at porting MGS? I think their previous attempts probably cost more than the sales they gained from it. Which would explain why MGS3 stayed exclusive.

But yea, who knows /shrug

Aex

@FP_slomo788: See, I don't necessarily agree that MGS4 is doing so well. That chart I provided might be missing a week or so of information but it seems to me the momentum is slowly stalling. I'm sure the game's great and I would be lying if I didn't say I wasn't secretly hoping against hope that it'll be on the 360 before everyone's saying "MGS-what?".

I guess what I find hard to believe is that while Konami is pleased with the sales, I wonder if it's really helping to recover the costs of game that sounds like at least some of the CGI used for the cutscenes would rival at the very least the cheapest Hollywood animated features.

I think if Konami's happy with their current numbers its because Sony's padding their pillows so they can sleep more soundly at night.

Odd_Fact

@Aex: Just to make it clear, I'm not saying that MS Payed S-E is a "Perceived" Fact, as I have no ran a poll or asked most people what they think. I was just further explaining facts :p

Aex

@Mal-Content: While it isn't a "Proven" fact, it is a "Perceived" fact. Each are often treated as the same. When you think about the nature of a fact, something known to be true (at least until proven false), you can see how the difference between the two muddle.

To quote the famous Tommy Lee Jones, in the movie Men In Black "...Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat..."

I am not disputing with you that it is not proven that MS spent money to obtain FFXIII. I'm just further explaining how "Perceived" and "Proven" Facts are very similar.

Aex

@Odd_Fact: I am of course using GTAIV above as an example of a "typical" Western game, a market that by sales figures, the 360 dominates in and is more closely held in relation to.

Odd_Fact

@FP_slomo788: Oh, I totally agree. Considering the sheer number of 360s to PS3s as well as the locations of those sales, it would stand to reason the 360 should've sold gangbusters more on any multi-plat title. Hands down. If the PS3 sold 4 million copies of GTAIV, I fully expect it to sale at /least/ 10 million on the 360.

The fact that it didn't has to be a disappointment to MS. I have to wonder if there aren't other contributing factors. I hate to use a poor analogy but one of those factors could be the fact that the 360 crowd is typically well fed. The PS3 crowd is unfortunately not. So when a piece of Kobe steak rolls through the kitchen, the PS3 crowd lick their plates clean. The 360 crowd nibbles.

So for MS, it might not be the best outcome for them and Sony might be the winners in that example.

I guess my previous fuzzy math and numbers were meant more to give an example of why /developers/ and /studios/ would consider multi-plat as it favors them more. I don't think that at all can be argued against.

Odd_Fact

@josh924: Maybe Lost odyssey is not a Final Fantasy, but with Lost Oddysey, Microsoft and Sakaguchi, were trying to copy Final Fantasy, like a friend of mine say when he saw Lost Odyssey, what.. that is not Final Fantasy 8 HD??... hahaha.

HellKaiser

@Odd_Fact: And also, Gears 2 and Halo 3 are mainstream games. MGS4 is not. Resistance was a launch game for a platform that was backlashed. Let's try to keep everything in context. I'd be very surprised if Resistance 2 managed to outsell Gears 2 (or even Gears), but with Live and the audience the 360 caters to principally, it's not hard to see how shooters and other competitive games sell more on it than niche games on the PS3 (a console with 5 million less poeple). If the point you were trying to make was that third party exclusives are not viable on PS3, I'm sorry but MGS4 is a bad example. It's selling extremely well and I can't help but imagine that Konami is very pleased with it. In fact they can't even put enough servers to sell expansion packs. SE moved to MS for other reasons than market share alone. If we admit that to ourselves discussions will go much smoother.

FP_slomo788

@HellKaiser: BioShock and Lost Planet aren't part of an established series of games like GTA IV, DMC4, and FFXIII are. Also, stop with that "red eye of death" crap; its unnecessary.

josh924

@Detre: First of all, Lost Planet isn't an RPG. You're thinking of Lost Odyssey. Second, JRPGs are niche genre, so 700k is a lot of copies sold when it comes to JRPGs, especially since Lost Odyssey is not Final Fantasy, nor is it part of a JRPG series.

josh924

@Odd_Fact: Thanks I've always been curious (and I've been asked those numbers and couldn't provide them). I clearly see your point and with the price difference and the exclusive DLC only, it would have been foolish not to expect the 360 version to not outsell the PS3 one. Besides at this time, the PS3:360 ratio was 3:2 worldwide. Now, you know the inevitable questions that will be raised. I won't call you out on the 2:1 comment as I knew it was not accurate, but I've thrown funny numbers out myself so I won't be too hard on you. BUT. When you take into account the 3 facts that I just cited (3:2 ratio, lower price and exclusive DLC), and for a game that sold almost 11 million on both consoles together, you have to agree that the performance was certainly not what MS had hoped for. Certainly the numbers might change when said DLC comes out, but then, as many other PS3/360 games will also be out, it will be hard to see the impact in the console race. Again, I think you for those numbers and I hope it wakes everyone up about the future: the truth is, no one knows.

FP_slomo788

@deathtastic: ok. maybe i wasn't clear. my point was with the demographic of the 360 owner and the JRPG game being considered a small percent of the games being bought, it seems like it's a gamble. not as if the game stayed on PS3 that it was a lock that it would do well. i just don't know how many "hold outs" that wanted a PS3 ONLY for FF13 are going to go straight to the 360. that's all. i understand why the game is going. i'm just trying to see if anyone can give me a real reason why sony is done because of this? while a surprise and a stiff blow, sony will be fine and aren't "out" of the game.

other then FF13 coming to 360 at some point and gears 2, (which looks really cool) MS didn't have anything i'd want to buy a 360 for if i didn't have one already. but, to be fair, none of the press deals had alot to show. sony had some cool stuff, but not alot of dates. and we really don't need to talk about nintendo's "look bitches, we don't need you anymore" blowoff of the old school fanbase.

i'm not trying to be a dick. i'm just asking questions stream of consciousness style. i've been awake for a while.....maybe it's not translating like i want....

jfx316

Is really funny that the people do a lot of noise when a exclusive for Sony goes to the console of the red eye of death, and when an exclusive of the red eye console goes to sony nothing happens, like with Bioshock.

Other funny thing is the people that hate the most popular game of a series, like Final Fantasy VII, TLOZ: Ocarina Of Time or games like that.

HellKaiser

i like how kotaku it's spinning this into something bad for sony...

what i understand is that multi-plat does nothing but a good exclusive as MGS does miracles with the consoles sales.

on top of that he says that FF has been with the playstation brand more time than with the x360 meaning that it's going to sell more on the ps3 than x360.

Gue1

i wouldn't be surprised if mgs4 shows up on the 360 in the next year or so...

moominsean

If FFXIII on the Xbox 360 does manage to outsell the PS3 version worldwide (which would be very difficult without a Japanese release) then Sony shouldn't be too disappointed; they do have a 10% interest in Square Enix. This multi-platform release is one of those rare cases where it could be good for all sides.

flashtut

@TheNexusRebound: Yeah, it'll certainly be exciting to see what ends up happening. I think it is, at least.

karasu is my homeboy

@Xanto5824: Should be I'm going to call that being a poor sport, sorry.

Xanto5824

@blackpanther25: Its the your/you're misuse. Drives me bonkers.

@Aex: "This isn't a court of law where the MS has the luxury of being innocent until proven guilty. This is the world of entertainment and media... Perception is almost as good as fact."

But it ISN'T fact, no matter what we "think". It's conjecture. I'm not saying its possible, even probable. Its more that when it's said, it's like a slam at Microsoft, as if Sony is some altruistic company made of brick, mortar, and love and rainbows. I'm not pointing at you, so take no offense, but it's wielded by others in that fashion.

Mal-Content

So he automatically assumed MS paid them to do it?
Unless I see proof and going to call that being a poor sport.

Xanto5824

Wow. You run off to get some real information for your post: and you finish to find the thread has exploded 2x. :P

Odd_Fact

@FP_slomo788: [vgchartz.com]

There. Figured I'd back up all the people quoting sales figures withs something a little more concrete than unbacked speculation and ill-formed opinions.

--- The following is not directed at any other response in particular --

While the sales are not 2:1 in MS's favor at the moment, I think it's important to note, as I've said in the past, that GTAIV on the 360 has not only sold approximately 1.5 million additional units thant he PS3, but that due to the sheer number of additional installed units, it stands to argue that the system will continue to climb steeper than PS3 sales over time. In the fall, with the additional content, depending on whatever the hell that is, we might even see a small spike.

The people that say it's only "1.5 million", pull your heads outta your asses. ;) It's not "only" 1.5 million. It's a total of 5.8 million additional units alongside the 4.2 million PS3 units. Sure, some of those are probably dual console owners but I bet at least half of that nearly 6 million units are single console owners which means they were either going to buy the game or they weren't. In our theoretical example, GTAIV sold at least 3 or 4 million more units than it would have otherwise in the past 17 weeks had the game remained a PS3-only property.

When we factor in environmentals such as the much vaunted Haze and Lair launching just before and after GTAIV as PS3 console exclusive as well as MGS4's own figures - [vgchartz.com] - it almost becomes clear that Sony's hype to retain exclusives and blow off those that jump ship is empty and desparate in its attempt to continue blinding fans until 'just a while longer'.

Compare exclusive numbers to those held by MS now and you see a slightly different story with similar ratios at the time of release to the number of installed units. Any way you slice it, if the ratio is only 2:1 in favor of MS per exclusive vs. anything Sony brings to the table, if you had to choose a console to remain exclusive to, it would have to be the 360. That or you go multiplat. Plain and simple. What would you rather have in your pocket? $50 or $100? That's 2:1 ratio, people.

So far, it looks like the best games on PS3 (off the top of my head) that're exclusives are either MGS4 and Resistance: FOM.

Here's a few more charts to chew on:

[vgchartz.com]

[vgchartz.com]

At this moment, there's consistently no reason for a game to remain faithful to the PS3 unless it's the one few standouts such as Resistance or MGS4 and even they're just in the same sales class as multiplat-360 games like GTAIV. It's no surprise then that Sony's keynote was by and large what sounded to be a begging for both game developers and fans to stick around "just one more year".

Yes. I'm a 360 owner. But I also bought a Saturn and a Dreamcast. I admitted I threw my lot in with the wrong bunch then. Why? Because when confronted with real numbers, it's hard not to. :)

Odd_Fact

I don't think any of their PR ppl could control the damage caused by FF13 being multiplatform.

R0YB0T

@okenny :): "Trator :( I was counting on you is probably what he would say if he saw you now."

ROFL.

FP_slomo788

@karasu is my homeboy: You are one of the few that is all I am saying. I know there are 360 owners that honestly want the game but there are a lot out there that only want to see it there because it means sony loses an exclusive. JRPGs are not the bread and butter of 360 but this could change that but most likely not. So we will have to see what happens.

TheNexusRebound

@Murderdolls: Trator :( I was counting on you is probably what he would say if he saw you now. Executives spend billions building brand awareness but they are diluted if they fail to realize that it is the consumers right and calling to be selfish: "what have you done for me, lately".

...

In other stories: Firefox has cached the word "masturbation" into my spell check list and I have to restart my browser to get rid of it. This is rather embarrassing as I want some windows kept open and my back-links saved. I blame LBP for this :(

okenny :)

why is my name there lol my pc is so messin up

blackpanther25

@blackpanther25: i meant the last point off his comment. about the whole grammar thing

blackpanther25

@Mal-Content: theres no solid proof, but i do think its pretty obvious Microsoft has been throwing money at alot of jrpg developers. Jrpgs dont sell well on the 360. I think lost planet sold like what 700k copies world wide? So all these jrpg developers (based in japan where the 360 sells like shit) were just like man you know what lets put our games on the console that they'll sell the least on. The only way a jrpg would sell enough to make it worthy of being a exclusive to the 360 is if it was some how associated with halo or is Final Fantasy. Dont get me wrong i have nothing against 360 getting Jrpgs (i plan on buying a new one just so i can play them), but i dont see anything attractive about making your jrpg exclusive to the 360 outside of bonuses from m$.

Detre

@Mal-Content: lmao. Did you catch the part, you know, where he makes no sense?

Me: The FF13 "issue" is that a lot of people won't buy PS3s to play it since it's multiplatform and 360 is very popular.

Karate Kid: YOUR AN IDIOT. IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO HAVE 4 DVDS THAN 1 BLU RAY DISC!!!!!! FACT!!!!!

First of all, pretty sure that can be false, but second of all, what does this have to do with anything? lmfao. Full of characters, this "internet" is.

karasu is my homeboy

It's been a few days since you criticized Sony, Luke. I was beginning to wonder if you became a legitimate addition to the Kotaku team.

This is the Luke that I remember.

jtyson

@Mal-Content: Well, he didn't say that it was "Fact" that MS spent a lot money, that is just his opinion. I agree with his opinion. I'm sure a lot of others do to. Whether the truth ever comes out or not, I think common perception is MS spent lots of money to secure FFXIII.

This isn't a court of law where the MS has the luxury of being innocent until proven guilty. This is the world of entertainment and media... Perception is almost as good as fact.

But no, you are right, there is no Hard Evidence that MS spent a lot of money to secure something. Just a theory based on MS's history this generation. One example being GTA4.

Aex

@blackpanther25: He was pointing out idiocy. That's never specific to two people when posted on a public blog.

Krondonian

@Aex: We'll probaly see very few if any for either console.

Neo-Senku: The World's Finest Pervert

@DontTouchMyDaughterYouFilthyGaijin: yous on crack right?

deathtastic

* i find it funny

blackpanther25

@Mal-Content: lol i find it how peeple get into other people's battles lol

blackpanther25

@Arsenicberyllium: But what he's also referring to is that people prefer to buy into the Sony brand because they did before, and that's clearly not the case.

justhesh

@Phlycheez: Well actually, according to his logic, you just aren't one of the millions of people that grew up with Final Fantasy on the Playstation :p He didn't say "Everyone", just "Millions of people", which could possibly be true. His logic in no way dictates that FFXIII should go to the Wii.

Aex

@jfx316: JRps sell well when they are good.... if you look they are becoming less popular.

deathtastic

@Aex: Without facts, there is no proof they paid anything. Hell, its not like they hung with Sony because of the goodness of their hearts.

Fact is game development costs keep going up and multiplatform better ensures you recoup that cost.

Mal-Content

I see what they were going for...but it was poorly worded.

Something like...

"Ultimately, the loss of one exclusive title isn't the end of the world, because we have others such as MGS4. Between the quality exclusives we do have and the fact that games like Final Fantasy have come to be associated with the PlayStation, we have full faith that gamers will still opt for the PlayStation 3 version of games like this."

(Give me a break, it's almost 1AM and I'm tired, so that's probably not even proper grammar, but you get the point)

That's what I THINK Sony was going for...just...poorly worded...

TuxBobble

@M-26-7: Well, S-E did say it was going to be finished on the PS3 first, then when the localization process for America begins, it will be ported to the Xbox 360. So he may have been right on that point...

Aex

But, but....I grew up playing "Final Fantasy" on the Super Nintendo. According to his logic, that means I'll be playing "Final Fantasy" on the Nintendo Wii now??? Last I checked, FFXIII isn't coming out for the Wii.

Either way, I'll probably be getting FFXIII on the 360 since that's my main gaming console right now (my gaming PC isn't a console, so it doesn't count :p). I don't see the need to get a PS3 yet and I don't buy consoles for just 1 or 2 games. Sure there's the blu ray player, but I'm not big on blu ray yet.

Phlycheez

Final Fantasy is a WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

bigger exclusive to have than MGS.

DontTouchMyDaughterYouFilthyGaijin

The big reason I'm excited about FF on the 360, is not because I'd get FF, but that it might encourage better games and more Japanese games to come over.

The two games I"m hoping for most right now are Disgaea 3 and VF5R.

arstal

@The Karate Kid:
You're all over the place> First off, stop being such a fanbooy. Sony doesn't need you fighting it's battles. Secondly you seem to know a lot that none of us do. Like that FFXIII will come on four disks and that this will somehow matter. Also that it will be ported over to the 360. This is a game that is ttwo, three years away AT THE LEAST. They don't even have in game footage for us never mind specifics like that.
DVDs are cheaper than Thai hookers right now and encoding them with data cost very little time, effort, or money.
There are absolutely no signs that Gears will ever come to the PS3. No where. Not even the rumor mill has dared to generate something like this. Face it, Gears is as much Microsoft's baby as Halo is.
The rest of your argument is as coherent as Mr. Reeves up there, so just take a chill pill, dave, and stop attacking people who have no beef with you.

M-26-7

I think hes talking more about console sales. At least from what i read. Hes saying FF 13 wont move 360s (which it wont) as well as MGS4 moved ps3s. Pretty piss poor analogy on his part since FF13 isn't console exclusive anymore so comparing it with another exclusive is stupid. As far as GTA IV goes though seriously who expected the ps3 version to sell better? Of course the console with the bigger install base would have the better sells. On the subject of FF 13 though I think it'll sell better on ps3, but thats only because the majority of the 360 fans i know dont even play rpgs.

Detre

@The Karate Kid: also a fact:
DVDs are cheaper to produce than Blu-Ray. So cost wise, it's a non-issue. But thanks for knowing the future and how many disks FF13 will take up. Can you also give the lotto numbers for this weekend?

BTW-when you call someone an idiot, best to check "your" grammar very closely.

Mal-Content

@Neo-Senku: The World's Finest Pervert: Makes you wonder if any game out this generation will make use of any platform like GoW, SoTC, or MGS3 did...

Kinda makes me sad thinking there won't be :(

Aex

I love the spin on the exclusives.

Then the numbers with MGS4... the numbers are pretty damn good, don't get me wrong, but they pale in comparison to certain 360 exclusives. If I'm thinking right, the actual game sales are about on-par with Gears of War when it first launched. the console sales are pretty good, but it just shows how many people were actually waiting for a real system-seller on the PS3 to be exclusive.

I'm sorry, but gushing over those numbers less than a year after Halo 3's release is kinda funny. I'm betting Gears 2 kills MGS4 in sales. Possibly Fable 2 as well (though probably not) ...

Sony said they thought people would associate GTA4 with the Playstation brand name too, so how did that turn out? If memory serves me correctly, the 360 version outsold the PS3 version at least 2 to 1... What makes him think it would be different for FFXIII?

I'm not a ranting fanboy, I'm just trying to inject some facts and trends that should be obvious to most people. Either Sony is delusional, or they are hoping that if they say it out loud, there's a slight chance it might come true.

Nside

@The Karate Kid: yea i just bought rogue galaxy yesterday for my ps3 now im looking for tales of, grandia 3, and another one but i cant remember

blackpanther25

@Aex: Thats my feeling on it too. But in the end the loss of 3rd party exclusives has its plus's and minus, just like 3rd party exclusives did.

Neo-Senku: The World's Finest Pervert

Last I checked GTA IV did better on the 360 than on the PS3. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that you guys lost a large amount of potential PS3-buying customers by loosing FFXIII. It doesn't matter that Microsoft isn't going to make a huge profit by the game going multi-platform, it's the fact that you lost potential profit by letting it slip to the competition. In this day and age, when people are trying harder than ever to justify spending the big bucks on entertainment, exclusives are an important matter.

I've never heard of anyone in business saying a semi-loss is better than a total loss.

KeroseneClimax

@deathtastic: ok. i was just asking a question. i'm sure i should stop playing games because some guy on the internets said so.

i'm owned, i guess. nerds still say that, right?

jfx316

@Mal-Content: I don't think there may ever be an official report, but Microsoft must have obviously done something or I doubt that S-E would have revealed FF13 at the MS Presser instead of their own :P

Microsoft has done something to get in the good graces of S-E... I'm guessing it has to do with money... But it could be that S-E just likes MS's green X... I'm going to stick with the money theory tho.

Aex

@The Karate Kid: I didn't have to read passed your point 1 to decide that all I need to say back to you is "lmao" and have a good night. Summer school starts at 8, no?

karasu is my homeboy

So...where's the article that says MS paid for FF on the 360? I have yet to see proof, yet Sony fanboys seem to just "know" they did.

You know, blind loyalty gets you nothing right? Don't believe that? Think Sony will always be there for you? Ask hardcore Nintendo loyalists how THAT story goes.

Is Sony using MGS4 like Bush uses 9-11 whenever they get backed into a corner on a question?
"Why was your E3 presentation so boring and lackluster?"
"MGS4."
"How do you feel about FF 13 being on the 360?"
"MGS4."
"Is there a price drop coming for the PS3?"
"MGS4."

Mal-Content

@karasu is my homeboy: i suppose that's true. it seems like it's more about people hoping sony fails then getting to play a great game. it's hard to deal with most of the time. i guess the dreaded "we'll see/time will tell" is in order.

@Oyn: it's not really the volume totally. i mean, in theory, all JRPGs should be selling crazy since the 360 is the only place to play them. blue dragon didn't do well (as far as i heard. i'm not looking up fucking numbers as i'm sure someone will produce them here at some point) i don't know. i'm just asking questions and it's cool to have it not turn into a flamefest.

it's late. i'm tired. i should really stop play super stardust at some point. stupid 10X trophy i can't get..........

jfx316

@Aex: Personally, Since I have both consoles, I'm rooting for the former.

Aex

@Oyn: FIrst, the turnbased ones that have been released haven't done amazing, but turnbased is dying (dead?) and 90% of the upcoming JRPGs are more action oriented, which should result in more interest (as well as higher review scores, plenty of reviews complained about LO being turnbased).

Blue Dragon reached it's target goal in Japan and LO was 360's fastest selling game in Japan.

Online sources say that LO has done a total of 700,000+, which is good especially when you keep in mind that it was released before 360 had got it's JRPG reputation, it's an original IP and lastly, it is turnbased. Not amazing, but I don't think that's a failure, especially for a game with no fanbase, unlike Tales of games, Star Ocean or Final Fantasy which don't have to start from square 1 to attract fans or attention.

karasu is my homeboy

@DigitalVirus: BIG chance Gears Of War 3 will come to PS3, HALO is HALO................

The Karate Kid

@Arsenicberyllium: Lol good job! He lost control of his spin but you really helped him. Does kinda make sense now, but it's still that. A spin. And if FF13 on 360 outsells PS3 in NA (or overall) and boosts 360 sales then what? Another fucked up spin? I really really miss Phil. I can imagine his bald head saying nothing more than "we shall see if the money MS put in it was worth it." As a gamer I don't care (I don't even like JRPGs) but I would have respected Dille much more if he took that wise road.

FP_slomo788

Pr spin at its worst.

Snukadaman_

@NessD12: false.
here's a breakdown for you.

MGS 6 mil
MGS2 7 mil
MGS3 3.96 mil
MGS4 3 mil and counting

FF8 6 mil +
FF9 5.08 mil
FF10 couldnt find but 2nd best selling ff game so at least 5 mil. Also 11th best selling game of 21st century as of 06.
FF12 couldnt find total but 3.88mil in first two weeks.

so PSone we have MG 6 mil vs FF 20 mil (using your 9 mil for 7)

PS2 we have MG about 11 mil vs FF 9 mil not counting rest of ff10 or ff11 at all or anything past first 2 weeks of 12.

They're both strong franchises but if either must be said to be stronger, its definitely FF.

donquijote23

You know, I'm torn on the whole exclusitivity thing.

On one hand
Exclusives use consoles strengths to their advantage and grow programmers skill with the system. Thus, allowing game designers to learn new techniques and ultimately create better games for us all.

On the other hand
Consumers don't really have to buy both consoles to get a majority of the games they want. And lack of exclusives force companies to lower their console prices and deliver better first party software to compete with their competition.

... Just Torn...

Aex

@Arsenicberyllium: Thank you!

The Karate Kid

I wonder if he remembers two games called Halo 3 and Gears of War? Cuz those game smashed Metal Gear Solid 4 numbers and propelled the 360 far above what MGS did for the PS3.

DigitalVirus

I still think FF13 won't be as big a hit as everyone wants it to be. It just isn't the powerhouse it once was,what with all the crazy spinoffs and directions it's been going through.

If anything it could go iether way. The 360 has a higher percentage of gamers , but who's to know if said gamers even care enough about FF. How many people own FF11 on 360?

PS3 has a high number of consoles out there as well, but who knows how many of them are just used by Blu Ray adopters. And of that how many actually play games. MGS 4 gives an indication and so does GTA4. But how many of them are also FF fanatics?

All they need to do is poll some kids at the local art college. look for the girls withe embroidered Squalls and Clouds on them. Ask around and you'll have your answer. I guess. Though how many just play games by proxy? They have a friend that owns said console but they aren't buying it. They just like the designs. Bah!!

FF13 will own Japan on PS3. That is all we can be sure of.

Though for myself (sorry for the rant) if FF13 plays like 12 or 11 then I will not buy it. 10 was the last good FF I played. Actually the last good JRPG in a while actually aside from tactics type games. I just don't think they know how to do RPGs well anymore. The tales game has my interest though and western RPGs are a different and exciting but we need better efforts than Blu Dragon and the like. I hope FF13 is good.

Netnavi

@TakuFangirl: I don't think FFVII made the playstation. I think it was the diversity of titles that made it, so a combination of games such as ff, mgs, tekken, etc.

FFVII proved that the system was capable of a lot graphically.

@neojames82: It's a rather big part of the gaming world for how small it is, in both development and sales.

This whole "nail in the coffin" argument is getting quite annoying. Getting more games on the 360 is good for those who can only afford the 360, or could only choose one system for other reasons. BE THANKFUL. Why should anyone be overjoyed if another system dies? You're not the system you bought.

In fact some people say that we all lose. We lose money by buying games and wallowing in entertainment. And in the end what do we have to show for all the progress in the game? A trophy and some points that don't matter.

It is like "Whose line is it Anyway" though. The points don't matter but it is fun.

Sorry, didn't mean to get all down like this. I really do like playing games. I've learned things from games as well.

kryzhal

@karasu is my homeboy: Your an idiot? Wanna know why?

1st) FF13 on PS3 will be just ONE DISK, 360 will be FOUR DISK's. Which means it will be more expensive to produce. Thats a fact

2nd) The game will be developed on PS3 first, then Ported over to 360. Thats a fact

3rd) The game will sell more on PS3. It's not coming out in Japan at all on 360, by the time the game releases, PS3 will be ahead by 3 million units in europe......And the install base in America will be at a smaller gap then it is now!

4th) 360 has a ton of RPGS out right now, but as the install base continues to increase in Japan.............PS3 will be gaining a TON of RPG games. Thats a fact

5th) PS3 games are not starved for RPG's why? Because the PS2 has a BUTT LOAD of RPGS that we are happy with!!!! Blue Dragon & Lost Oddessy? U kidding me right?

The Karate Kid

@remanance: Here's why its hard to understand: He doesn't grasp the concept of grammar.

When Grand Theft Auto IV came out, the Ps3 and the 360 maintained identical attach rates. In that sense, we're stuck at a kind of tie between he two consoles. But, getting Grand Theft Auto IV didn't bring the Xbox 360 over the top, or win Microsoft the console war for them. In the end, it still turned out roughly equal. And I think if you fast forward to when "Final Fantasy XIII" comes out, the people who played it on the Playstation and the Playstation 2 will likely want to continue playing the series on the Playstation Brand Consoles. Microsoft likely spent a lot of money to get Final Fantasy XIII onto the 360, but we still have our loyal fanbase, and even if we can't rely on that, in the end, it is going to work out as well for them as paying out for Grand Theft Auto IV. That's why we, Sony, like to point out Metal Gear Solid 4. We feel games like that are true console sellers that will truly help the Sony brand, unlike Final Fantasy.

Whether or not you agree with that translated statement is to be debated, but in the end, I had to translate it, for god's sakes, for it to make any sense.

Arsenicberyllium

If I was a Sony exec when they announced it, I'd be confused too. I bet their hoping that the development process goes awry for the 360.

Nets_Fan

@jfx316: Your whole comment was full of fail. look up what your talking about on wikipedia and you'll be smarter in that area. plus like 5 people have corrected you already.

deathtastic

"What, my foot? No, it's fine. My foot's awesome, don't worry about it.

Anyway, what was I saying? Oh, right. Having a healthy foot is really important. It can't be underestimated how large of an impact on success it really has - and I think you'll see that reflected in the future.

Okay, fine, yes, I've been shot in the foot. But I swear, it's totally unimportant and won't have an effect on anything."

Chances

alot of my friends are in fact getting it on ps3. however, alot of ppl who wanted ff13 but didnt want to shell 400 for a ps3 now have the opportunity to buy it too. its a win-win for gamers.

maraxusofk

@M-26-7: You should give Valkyria Chronicles a shot. I hate JRPGs but I'm really excited for that one.

FP_slomo788

@The Karate Kid:
Calm down there and stop using phrases you don't understand. BEsides for all we know Microsoft could've walked up to the Square Enix CEO and threaten to kill his whole family if he didn't cave; it's really unclear what went down. I personally hope Square doesn't take that money and invest it in a new 7 for their own sake at least, because 7 was absolute shit and is mainly responsible for putting the series in two the sorry shape it's in now. I don't really even like JRPGs, but I have enjoyed some of the older FFs, way back in the PS days. I won't be buying FF13 or any other JRPG.

M-26-7

I love my ps3...

But...

*bangs head on desk*

VixDiesel

@jfx316:

i could be wrong, but JRPGs aren't doing great so far on the 360. am i missing something here......."

Well, considering 360 has more jrpgs than the PS3, I'd say that MS is winning by default on that front. I can name at least half a dozen that are already or will soon be out for 360. For PS3 there's... Enchanted Arms. :x

Oyn

@jfx316: because the 360 has a bigger install base than the PS3, FF13 will sell more? is that the thinking?

No. The thinking isn't, "Just as GTA 4, FF13 will sell more on 360!"

It's more like, "Since plenty of people are waiting on PS3 and have 360s, this will hurt PS3 sales. People don't need to buy a PS3 to have FF13 anymore."

And while FF sales have been declining you have to keep in mind:

1. PS2 was the system for RPGs last gen.
2. PS2 was over-saturated with RPGs last gen so there was tons of competition.
3. Many people viewed X, X-2 and XII as mistakes and not great like prior FFs.
4. This is the first HD FF installment. It has people's attention.
5. PS3 is starved for RPGs, while 360 is attracting RPG gamers who will definitely want to give the "King" of JRPGs a shot if they enjoyed B titles like LO and BD.

There have been polls online showing this thought, hell, the hundreds of comments on this site expressed it: FF13 on 360 is saving many people the cost of buying a PS3. That's the thinking.

karasu is my homeboy

@Arsenicberyllium: And Madden and Marketing.

Spiffyness

@JayD16: Neither would FF.

FP_slomo788

I think he's saying "real exclusives" are ones that started exclusive for you machine. Although MGS wouldn't actually be one...

JayD16

Correct!
@remanance:

The Karate Kid

I think from a business model, Sony is laughing at Microsoft!!!!

Basically Microsoft had to pay and dish out, MILLIONS of dollars just to get this game out on there system lol

I'm sure Square Enix is going to take that money and fund Development on another Final Fantasy 7 for PS3 lol.......................

The Karate Kid

@The Karate Kid: I'm 14 and I like yelling!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

What he's saying is that. While Gta and Final Fantasy are great and good selling games. They aren't the best Playstation had.

NessD12

So...I'm not the only one who actually understood what he was talking about and didn't just make impulse assumptions, right?

remanance

I think the only 1 confused here is you stupid folks!!!!!!!!!

What he is saying is, when a High profile game comes out exclusively for the PS3, everybody jumps on it and you will see it Drives Consoles!!!!!!!!! Why? Because when a game is exclusive to PS3 everyone knows that it wil utilize the raw power of CELL and Blu-Ray, and it will give you a Metal Gear Solid 4 type of Experience.........

However once a game is announced Multi platform, it doesn't expand the market share, Many original XBox lovers or PS2 Lovers will remain waiting until that BIG game that will utilize the POWER of a real next generation console (PS3).

So while Grand Theft Auto was a good game, it didn't drive consoles what so ever!!!!!!

The Karate Kid

@jfx316: That's exactly what i'm saying. With all of these proven ip's coming out 2009 and fucktons more of new ip coming out then insomniac pumping out games every year. I think the Ps3 has more noteworthy exclusives than the 360. I can't think of anything beyond halo that's truely exclusive. Gears is also on the pc. Viva is on the pc. Mass effect is on the pc. Bioshock is on the pc and coming to the ps3. Then with the trophy system ps3 is really shaping itself up to be a BETTER alternative

NessD12

i really have to stop with the double quotes.....i'm tired...

jfx316

@Miksho: Wow. That is actually an amazingly astute analogy.

Jazhuis

@NessD12: @NessD12: that's kind of my point. how is sony "doomed" at MS getting FF13 day and date with the PS3? it would be one thing if MS dropped at E3 "by the way, FF13 is coming to the 360....and it'll be out this xmas" as it stands now, the games is "on track for winter '10. kind of hard to get too hyped about that this far away from any date.

while i'm thinking about it: because the 360 has a bigger install base than the PS3, FF13 will sell more? is that the thinking? because i could have sworn that people were posting the numbers for all the FF games since 7 and the numbers falling with every release. at that point in time, everyone and their mother had a PS2. so by the time FF13 comes out, the numbers won't be as high, but one could say that the 360 will be in the same sort of position. a lot of consoles in homes. where's the definitive proof that FF13 is going to go gangbusters on the 360? i could be wrong, but JRPGs aren't doing great so far on the 360. am i missing something here.......

the real winners are square-enix. they don't have to hype the game anymore. fanboys will just do the job for the next 3-5 years until the game comes out.

jfx316

@jfx316: The answer is that exclusives do matter. It's about who has the most great ones. When someone loses a great one, it's a big deal.

karasu is my homeboy

So what about the millions of people who remember playing "Final Fantasy" on Nintendo consoles? Blind brand loyalty is just plain dumb. Most rational people go for the console with the most games that appeal to them, does not matter what the fuck the name of the thing is.

Oh yeah, and this guy should stop talking several other people feet join his own in his gaping maw.

Oyn

@karasu is my homeboy: You're honestly telling me you won't pick up a Ps3 in Winter 2025, when it only costs $100, and FFXIII has finally come out?

Arsenicberyllium

@Heliophage: Well the difference between the 6th hand 7th generations is that 360 and PS3 are a lot more competetive than ps2 and xbox. I agree that in the end it is just plain true that GTA4 sold more for 360. My point is simply that Sony may be taking the stance that with things like MGS4 the PS3 market share is growing, which means that when FF13 drops, even if the attach rate is the same as GTA4, it will have been more favorable for them. And they are hoping the attach rate will not be the same because they figure people will choose to continue with ps brand for their ff needs.

donquijote23

@TakuFangirl: I'm sorry but... It's actually sold more than the FF series. As hard as it is to believe your games dont sell that well. The most recent iterations barely sold 2.8 million. The best selling one 7 of course sold 9.8

NessD12

I don't know, I think it's more important than Sony would like to admit... now there's a system where one can get very nearly all the good Western RPGs (Mass Effect, Oblivion and we'll see about Fable and Too Human) and very nearly all the good JRPGs (in theory as there haven't been too many yet but Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey were both 360 titles and all of Square Enix's stuff minus Versus XIII is coming to the 360) so the 360 is the RPG system, outside of Japan, but they're increasingly less important as far as (HD) console games go (in terms of buying... their developers are still tremendously important)

The people who remember playing Final Fantasy on the Playstation are probably the ones who owned a Playstation merely because it had all the best RPGs... not out of brand loyalty... I mean what is brand loyalty beyond the specific features that make you like that item?

If the 360 is going to have more RPGs and that fan is choosing what system to buy when FFXIII comes out (or one of the RPGs coming out this year even) I don't think this news is helpful to Sony... especially since they're starting from behind... a "jump ball" isn't helpful when the other team has 100 more points than you...

... but really what else could he say? Company executive be frank? That's silly... he'd sooner spout vague and potentially contradictory nonsense.

Ninegauger

@TheNexusRebound: That's not really fair. While some 360 owners were excited that one of PS3's main guns was...well, no longer one of PS3's main guns, plenty of gamers want FF13. I know my friend and I both planned on "taking the plunge" and getting a PS3 when FF13 came out. My friend and I both have aborted that plan.

karasu is my homeboy

that's naive of sony to think that since a series has been played on their past systems fans would eagerly fork over 400$ just to continue that loyalty. do they think we're that stupid? do they take us as an army of drones willing to spend on their product at command?

it's irritating to know that fanboys would defend such a company, or defend a coporation at all

genbeef

@TakuFangirl: Nope. Final Fantasy sold a few copies on the Playstation consoles. It didn't make them what they are today. Only fanboys seem to hold onto that belief.

Grand Turismo and Metal Gear actually had a much greater effect, as he's already pointed out.

Arsenicberyllium

Why are people bitching about this? So what if your stupid asses only bought a PS3 JUST for FFXIII? How do you think comments like that sound to us Sony fans? And people who bought a PS3 because they're fans of Sony shouldn't care if Square-Enix wants to release a great title to other people who should've been playing this game long ago or were too cheap to get a PS3. I say this is a windfall for them.

Furude

@TheNexusRebound: yea all of my xbox 360 friends hate final fantasy and rpgs( i didn't quite realize until now that i had 50 friends on my live account).

blackpanther25

He had a really good point until he threw the MGS 4 ball into play.

bangbangblah

@ApocalypseVII:

FFVII made the entore playstation what is. MGS is a nothing franchise compared to FF.

If he thinks that he is a fool.

TakuFangirl

@Talryyn:

That is indeed true. Were their places in North America by Final Fantasy XIII's release swapped, though, SquareEnix still gets to take advantage of essentially twice the sales for less than twice the development and publishing effort. As long as it doesn't put too much of a strain on them, it's blue skies to them regardless.

@donquijote23:

I could argue the same about how multiplatform titles sold during the sixth generation in favor of the PlayStation 2, but that doesn't change that the sales did favor the PlayStation 2.

Heliophage

It's you who is manipulating his words around. The guy is saying that since these titles use to be exclusive on the playstation, users will still prefer them on the ps3 even though they're multiplatform. Makes sense to me. I mean if I've been playing xbox, I probably would have upgraded to 360. Same goes for ps2 to ps3. And if games were available exclusive for ps2 and I now own a ps3...I'm going to get a ps3 version not buy a damn xbox360. You getting me? Good.

karateka

@neojames82: Read half the comments around here on Kotaku more often then not you read things about how this is the death nail. I have several friends who could careless about FF and the announcement didn't change their mind. I am saying there are a lot of people who just wanted this thinking it will kill Sony. Japan is more then just part of the gaming world they have lead many a trends in what the western world plays.

TheNexusRebound

@justhesh: Yeah, but there were twice as many 360 owners.

So they had the same exact attach rate.

I think that's what he's referring to.

Arsenicberyllium

@hansamurai: Exactly what I was thinking.

I can kinda imagine this guy dropping huge torrents of sweat while stammering out this response.

art_zombie

I think that the comentary of Peter is confuse, but in some part i think that he is right, the people who have a 360 doesnt have the machine for RPG games like FF XIII, this people buy it for games of war and bullets, and for that reason i think that the console doesn't sell well in japan, the japanese people likes more the adventure and RPG stuff, and the pervert games too, like those to the NDS hehehe.

HellKaiser

@justhesh: Do you have links of that (not being a dick, it's a legitimate question)?

FP_slomo788

@jfx316: He's saying this. Sony has LOTS of first party exclusives that are great titles. Final Fantasy while it has always been a great series isn't as essential to the playstation lineup as let's say Gt5 or Mgs4 is which are both going to end up selling shittons more than FF will exclusive or not. FF is not as big as Gta or even as big as Gt5 if you look at the numbers the Gt series has consistantly sold over 10 million while the final fantasy series. hasn't.

NessD12

He's making the same damn mistake Sony's been making since they announced the PS3. I called it then and I'm calling it now. He's assuming that people will choose PS3 because they're loyal to the PS brand.

The PS3's at-best disappointing career thus far should be proof enough that you need more than loyalty to choose one console over another. Sony won last gen so they seem to think they can coast through this one based on pure prestige, and it just isn't working.

QualityJeverage

@jfx316: The answer is: exclusives do count.

You buy a console for the games. If two consoles have a lot of the same games, you go for the one with more exculsives you prefer.

They're only perceived as less important due to the differing hardware specifications that distinguishes todays consoles more than in previous generations.

If anything, due to the lack of exclusives today, I'd argue they're more important to keep than ever before.

Krondonian

Im soo confused

davahsa

yeah i thought so. i dont like rpgs with female leads ( X-2 left a bad taste in my mouth)

blackpanther25

"Consumers responded to "GTA" on the PS3 just as they did on the 360. And it becomes a bit of a jump ball. But it didn't rise the tide for them."

Um...last I checked, the 360 version of GTA sold 2:1 versus the PS3 version.

justhesh

@blackpanther25: yep.

Arsenicberyllium

I'm the last person known to defend Sony, but here's what I saw in that article.
He's saying that at the end of the day, FFXIII is not going to move consoles. Not like MGS4 moved consoles. He's saying that on top of not moving consoles, Microsoft also had to pay a grip-ton of money to procure such a deal.
I hate to say it but he is right. While I'm the guy who'll tell you to your face FFVII sucked wang, I can appreciate what it did for the PS1. This is not that kind of event. Unfortuneately all this did was show that more people realize the 360 is just AS VIABLE an option as the PS3. Granted, they shoulda done it sooner but they did not.
I think that what Microsoft really needs is to secure some exclusives that aren't completely Western based or aimed and try to do something unique and wild. Allowing games like Ico and Shadow of the Colossus AND letting in the quirky, but unproven, titles like Mister Mosquito or Yanya Caballista before they're OBVIOUS gems like Katamari Damacy.
Xbox is playing it safe in nearly every regard, and as much as I love my 360 and use it as the core experience of my gaming, I have to give it up to Sony for these things. He's not too far off in his statements. We need to disconnect as gamers and remove ourselves from the equation to see that. Sony took risks. Sony continues to take risks. Some great, some not so great. And while we can say Microsoft has taken risks, it always scurries back to it's comfort zone.
I for one would love to see more Japanese developers doing crazy zany games. And not just by those few people in the industry from Japan who are bother inspired by American Pop Culture or creepy old dudes (See Itagaki.)
-Adam

ApocalypseVII

...consumers responded to GTA on the PS3 just as they did on the 360?

I must have missed when that happened.

Anyway,
If Final Fantasy 13 sells better on the 360 than the PS3 in the US and the UK, then it will be a big blow to Sony's chances of holding on to any desired 3rd party exclusives. It would show provide further evidence that the 360 is the system of choice for software sales in the west.

Lackshmana

I prefer the 360 controller over the Dualshock design. So for me, it would be the 360.

The argument of 'people played it on this system before so they'll do it again' really doesn't make much sense.

No-one's going to buy a console to play a game that is already on one they've got.

If you own both, there's more important factors than brand loyalty. (Pad, discs, online, awards et cetera).

Krondonian

versus XIII is still exclusive right?

blackpanther25

I reiterate my previous posting a few days back about why we continue to entertain all of this corporate spin doctoring. I can turn on the news and see politicians make crazy claims. Just once, I would love to see anybody in the industry actually be honest about the state of gaming, or honesty from somebody not in first place at the very least.

Clearly in this instance, much like the PS3 fanboys have determined, exclusives do only matter when they are on the PS3 or a Sony platform. They don't matter for games like Mass Effect Halo or Gears of War, but for for God of War and MGS4. They also lose meaning when they are released for the 360, simultaneously alongside the PS3 as GTA4 was and now FF13 will be.

As far as this notion that gamers will flock to the PS3 for the game, well I seem to remember gamers leaving nintendo to play ff7, so there is historical precedent for gamers seeking out their franchises on other platforms. Certainly Devil May Cry 4 did all right on the 360.

Hengst2404

I keep hearing a lot about this Metal Gear exclusivity. I want one.

insaneo

@Miksho: no big conglomerate deserves pity. all they want is money and pandering to them just makes you a tool

genbeef

Frankly i dont think he sounds confused at all.. he never mentioned that * oh exclusives arent important or are* he simple stated that on the two systems gta an 360 head to head they both did well but as in the case of ff13 head to head agiasnt ps3 that he believes it will do better on the ps3 then 360 based off the fact that ppl have played ff on a ps system for yrs. I dont see how ppl think he sounds confused.. he never mentioned anything bout exclusives moving consoles he said on a head to head basis ppl will choose the platform there familiar playing said game on.

theblade

@Heliophage: Although the 360 version of GTA4 sold better I think it had more to do with larger number of 360 owners rather than how much a particular base liked it. Plus GTA apparently wasnt a system seller as everyone expects FF13 to be. So things could be different.

donquijote23

Having FF13 on 360 is a sweet deal for me, because now I can play it without having to buy a PS3. I'd say "less of an advantage for Sony" is the same as "an advantage for MS". I'm sure if Halo found its way onto PS3 people would call it an advantage for Sony.

And that quote was barely coherent. But it comes from a Sony exec; that's the first thing they teach them.

Infil

@Heliophage: I feel in NA that FFXIII will outsell the PS3 version. Since the 360 has the sales lead, but then again in three years when XIII is released it might all be changed.

I found it interesting that SE talked about userbase today, and used that for the decision, but who knows what tomorrow brings sales wise. Maybe Sony and MS don't sell another console, so then SE would need to look at Wii... O_o

Talryyn

So in other words FFXIII will help Sony just like GTA4 did by selling more on the 360? This guy is a spin doctor

zPhreak

But Peter, Microsoft don't need FFXIII to move units for them. They just need to make sure that FFXIII doesn't move units for you! And, well, they've done that like they did with GTAIV.

Qube

Man, Sony are gonna crow on and on about MGS4 forever.

Culebra

I have no idea what that guy was trying to say. All I know is, I'm worse for reading it.

LittleBigPlaneteer

I grew up playing Final Fantasy games on Nintendo systems so I guess I'm screwed.

hansamurai

exclusives that were on the PS3 going to the 360: inevitable; the market demands that games be on as many platforms as possible to get the most possible profits.

ok, i get that. but in the same breath most of the time comes:

"sony is doomed!!1!! they have no exclusives left!!11!"

so, i guess my question is, how are exclusives a non issue anymore, but still seen as a huge failure if one console (sony) doesn't have as many? (or any, as it seems to be going)

non fanboy responses would be great.

jfx316

@TheNexusRebound: So just because your ONE friend isn't going to buy FFXIII then you know that the 360 version will have no impact.........right.

Tell that to at least five other people I know that said they now have no real reason to buy a PS3 because of this announcement.

Yes, its going to sell like crazy in Japan, but Japan is just part of the gaming world.

neojames82

@Murderdolls: I should have said "not all fans will be playing it on playstation"

Murderdolls

@TheNexusRebound:
It is certainly true. The number of 360 fans who wanted the exclusivity gone just to spite Sony vastly eclipses the number of people who honestly just wanted to play the game on the 360. That's not to say they don't exist, but most people who really wanted to play FFXIII already have or planned to buy PS3s.

I don't know what Dille's smoking, but it doesn't look like anything I'm interested in trying.

Archaotic

But what if MGS does not live up to the hype, which so far I am not seeing sales wise here on a local level. What will Sony say then? Our userbase is not large enough to support a blockbuster title like MGS4?

I love Sony just for weird press releases and executive comments! E3 presser though, not so much, it bored me to sleep.

Talryyn

Well, consumers responded more for the 360 version of GTA IV, a title that people had grown up playing on the Playstation platforms for the entire GTA III series.

Then again, that's not going to be the case when you bring in Japan, regardless of how Final Fantasy XIII performs in North America and Europe.

Heliophage

@donquijote23: Dude you're walking on your own feet. Don't try to follow. This is the bottom of the PR world right there.

FP_slomo788

I played Final Fantasy 7,9,10,tactics all on Playstation consoles and yes I do own a Playstation 3 but I will be buying FFXIII on my Xbox 360.

So no Peter fans won't be playing this game on Playstation just because we grew up doing it.

Murderdolls

@donquijote23: that's what i got out of it as well

resetbutton

most of us know more than him and we arent getting paid ;_;

TakuFangirl

Denial is a stinky cologne.

neojames82

This seems almost like a dig at SE and Final Fantasy more than one at Microsoft.

hikaizer

Sony fanboy defense squad coming in 3...2...1...

Mr. Fluffykins

I think that for the most part in my experince from reading here and on other game sites some 360 owners simply wanted this so Sony would fail. My friend isn't interested in the slightest so clearly FFXIII is not going to sling shot sales most likely. Plus Sony kept it exculsive on the home front which means Japan will be in a tizzy over FF and the PS3.

TheNexusRebound

@Arsenicberyllium: I am impressed that he managed to embed hyperlinks into his actual conversations, though.

Go Real World 2.0!

Arsenicberyllium

I think this kind of makes sense. He think people will still want the ps3 version more as they remember the other games on ps consoles. And since its multi it isn't an advantage for xbox only slightly less of an advantage for sony. They think that MGS4 put them on a good path for the year I guess.

donquijote23

He's not confused... he's saying that exclusives only matter when THEY have them. Spoken like a true executive :)

vr0oM

Give Sony a break, though. It's like Microsoft held a press conference to say "Dear Sony: We're banging your girlfriend!"

Give them a month, and the PR department will have their snappy comebacks down.

Miksho

you know, between this and whenever reeves speaks, i almost long for the days of reading EGM/Game Players/CG&E/PSM etc and never hearing the day-to-day of these guys speaking. the more that happens, the less you like them.

TheIrishNinja

Oh god, that's not confused.
That's not even coherent.

At first I thought he was saying that Metal Gear Solid 4 sold poorly on the 360, and the I realized he's just insane.

I may be a Sony Defender(not of SDF), and advocate, but there's no way to defend that piece of stupidity.

Arsenicberyllium

WHOA!

Sony spinning a tornado of hypocritical nonsense!?

Yep. Seems about right.

karasu is my homeboy