i heard they originally released the true version of the bouncer in japan, i would have imported it if i had the chance back then.

demonknightinuyasha

the only way i would ever play the bouncer would be if i played the REAL version not the shitty version america got. seriously that was one of the biggest letdowns if not the biggest square has ever given me -_-.

on other news this close to E3 if they're saying no plans or whatever doesn't that pretty much mean "we'll be announcing it at E3 hold your pants on" like it did last year with the price cut? >.>

demonknightinuyasha

Notice how the picture is taken on a skewed angle to reflect the fact that it most definitely IS on a tv? Well that just further proves that it is fake because why else would they need to prove so definitively that its on a tv and not a computer photoshop session?

icegoat

Deny til you die.

It'll come eventually. It's free money they'd be turning down.

Barnolde

Didnt they say that they had "No plans" to add rumble back to the controler only a month before the DS3 was announced?

JustinS

The Bouncer IS a good game, damn you all!

Maldron

@Arsenicberyllium: Does your copy come bundled with a PS2 and DS2? Sold.

HenryHSH

With the PS2 still doing pretty good, I am not surprised this rumor was untrue. But PS2 games are still cheap in comparison to the current gen games and any game stop or store has like a wall of PS2 games so there really isn't a reason to DL PS2 games yet. Now PS1 games are another story, since gamestop stopped carrying them, the prices have gone up on the internet and places like Planet Replay. So I think Sony needs to make some games like TOMBA!!!! available on the PSN network. Sony published the game, so they should be able to put it up damnit!!!!! (even though the studio Whoopie Camp doesn't exist anymore......)

Sadgasim

This could also be chalked up as Rumour for now, only to be a "surprise" announcement at E3.

Amiright? Amiright?

NaryaMithrandir

I have to take denials like this with a grain of salt. I mean with rumors going around this close to a major show you just don't know until after its over. If they don't announce this at E3 then I'll believe it, until then I'm still skeptical.

Sparx

Oops wrong thread.

DigitalHero

Sony will have to respond with price cuts also to remain competitive. If they don't, June 2007 NPD which will release in a couple weeks will be their fifth and last month of the year outselling the Xbox 360 in the U.S..

DigitalHero

@Krondonian: Yeah, that's hopefully what it could cater for. Just like how you can Psychonauts on XBO. Ico, Rez, Space Channel, that kinda stuff.

What would be MOST AWESOME would be getting stuff off foreign stores. Like, for example, Super Dimensional Fortress Macross if it ever turned up on the Japanese version.

Luke Plunkett

Soo not fair...Japan already has alot of good stuff available for DL but none of it has english subtitles or tracks...what I'd give for RE2 on the psn =X

Chuco

This would definetly be a good service for the PSN, however I'd rather purchase a physical copy of a game. It would save my quota as well.
I'm sure this will eventually come to PSN but it may not be for a while.

NickyJ

I'd only be interested in a service like this if it had rare games.

The PS2 was a monster seller, so unsurprisingly a lot of the games are easy to come by cheaply. I can get MGS2 for £2.50.

If they had Global Defense Force, Rez, Ico, Gitaroo Man, Disgaea, THEN I'd be very interested.

I found Rez the other day actually for the first time ever, but alas didn't have the £18 required. I've never even seen Ico in a store in the last 2 years.

Services like this would be very welcome.

Krondonian

My gut feeling tells me his is totally legit, no matter what "Patrick Seybold" says on the matter. Since when did Sony respond to speculation anyway?

LittleBigPlaneteer

@wild homes is weathering cephalopod trouble!: Definitely. This is too good a thing for Sony to just not be thinking about. It may not be coming soon, but surely, it's coming.

Luke Plunkett

Hopefully whatever imaginary devs were working on this will now shift their efforts to improving the performance and ability of software emulation!

Wouldn't that be nice!

Arttemis

I like the Bouncer, it is a good game. Each time you play the last boss, he gets more difficult and uses more crazier attacks.

bigdude209

@CorrinZGW: I'm with Luke. Breathe. It's just a rumor. They get to decide what to post, not you. You'll give yourself a heart attack.

That said, I still think this is coming. It makes too much sense-- and could be too large a revenue stream-- for Sony to discount. I'm interpreting this guy's remarks as when we're ready to announce it we'll let you know.

wild homes is weathering cephalopod trouble!

I wish it were true. First I want FF's and MGS on the PS1 Downloads.

Rurik

If they charged for PSN-Live, it would work. At least they have bankable bandwidth, and forever shamed by it's users.

PsycheE

While this is a shame, I doubt the pricing would be competitive to buying the titles used.

Iceking5

@CorrinZGW: Relax

Luke Plunkett

@CorrinZGW: Because it might have been posted other places with no such indication of it's shadiness.

Kotaku is protecting impressionable people, that's all.

budash2

Hey, I like The Bouncer. It's a fun way to pass the occasional afternoon.

Lezard

@CorrinZGW: sheesh it's not like they were gonna break the internet with a rumor. The article was up front that it was unlikely and it didn't promise anything that was totally unrealistic. Lighten up.

sarcasmOD

But The Bouncer is a great game to catch up on.
I recommend it wholeheartedly.
In fact, I'd recommend paying upwards of $150 for it.
If anybody's interested, I totally have a copy for sale-$150.
It's worth it. Trust me.

I hope Sony's just being sneaky, and "no plans for a Ps2 download service" means, in fact, that they already have one in, but none of us noticed because it was ninja.

Arsenicberyllium

what's wrong with fantavision, it's fun, it's one of the few old ps2 games i still own.

Chaoticevl

I don't get why you posted this rumor in the first place. It was completely unsubstantiated; you even pointed out how far away from being reality it was.

CorrinZGW

@CorrinZGW: I don't get why you posted that comment in the first place. It was completely unnecessary; you totes came off like a complete ass.

MykalBloom

Sounds more like "....hey guys, that sounds like a good idea.... UMMM *clears throat* we haven't announced anything yet"

IntelSilver

Sony apparently heard their fans cry for in-game xmb, and they made that happen.

However, downloading and playing ps2 games from the psn would require a lot of emulation that im sure sony doesn't plan on doing anytime soon...

subterfunk

@demonknightinuyasha: Your talk of an un clusterfuck bouncer sounds like one of those "friend of a friend of a friend told me" stories.

Rabidsquirrel

What the hell? I was pretty sure that, forever ago, they said we'd be playing PS2 games on our PSPs by way of the PS3.

If we can't get PS2 games on it, then the sons of motherlovers better patch in backwards compatibility for all of us recent PS3 owners. I hate having to hook my PS3 back up to play something new like KoF98 Ultimate Match.

Then again, I guess I'd be better off hooking it up to my old TV because PS2 games look like ass on my new HD monster.

AlKusanagi

I don't understand how you people think I'm upset over this news being posted. I only stated that it seemed a poor decision. Maybe everyone quoting the shit out of me should settle down?

CorrinZGW

backwards compatiblity (BC) is a touchy subject. Whenever it somehow gets brought up, sony is quick to mention all this crap about a software patch. Now that it's almost entirely forgotten about, they act as if they dont remember saying anything about it. Even if they decide to do this, seeing how long it took them to roll out in game XMB, we're probably wouldn't see it until next year.

Alicia

They can't even manage PSOne downloads so why the fug would even think about doing PS2 ones?

GogolGants

*Wow, downloadable PS1, PS3 and PSP games I have heard of .. Also xbox1 and LIVE arcade.. But PS2 !!?? No NEVER EVER THOUGHT OF IT, WHY?* Yeah OK buddy. By the way Oolala isn't Lady Miss Kier and Lion King wasn't based on The 60s Japanese Kimba cartoon, either, so yeah... We should be expecting these by the end of the month.

GOLD5

It sure would be nice...maybe a future feature to rip PS1 or PS2 games, CDs don't last forever, I'd like to back them up while I can.

Talleh

I'd have leapt at the idea.

If I didn't already have a PS2.

"Digitally-remastered" remakes of Ico and SotC would be much appreciated though.

Frank

In order for this to happen Sony would have to implement a full working PS2 emulator for the PS3, and that is no small task. Saying PS2 games will be available on PSN is equivalent to saying that Sony has solved their BC problems, since there would be no real reason why a game that is playable on the hard drive would not also be playable on disc (unless Sony decides to fiendishly screw people into buying games they already own).

While I wouldn't doubt that Sony wants a solution to the BC problem, I am not completely certain that a full working PS2 emulator is feasible on the PS3s hardware (Note: that's not an insult to the PS3, remember that it takes substantially more powerful hardware to emulate a system that's based on a different architecture). And even if it is feasible, its going to be mighty hard to build an emulator for such a complex system on top of an even more complex system.

psycoking

This is corporate speak... It doesn't mean it's not coming. This has been rumored since the 40 gigs hit the market and they started hiring people to work on BC for the 40 gigs... Those people they hired aren't going to go to waste, it may just take longer than they thought...

bobtheduck

because having to download entire DVDs is a great thing, especially those of us living in countries that high speed internet now means "if we feel like giving you high speeds, which is never" and a limit on how much you can download...

not for me anyways, I managed to snag a PS3 last year before they took out the PS2 processor

kathartik

@psycoking: MS doesn't seem to be having a problem. hmm.

SAKY

@SAKY: MS isn't making a universal emulator meant to be used with every game in production. They are taking the approach of making specialized patches that add support for specific titles. And, to my knowledge, they haven't really been adding many supported titles recently. Sony could probably go that route if they wanted to, but so far they haven't and there's no indication that they plan to change tactics at this point. Their strategy all along has been to aim for maximum compatibility. That's why the EE+GS chips were included in some models early on.

As the machine and it's library matures, they're relying less on BC. They've stated in the past that they aren't going to invest heavily at all in maintaining support for software emulation going forward. Unless Sony has had a change of heart and made no announcements to that effect, WYSIWYG at the moment on the partial software emulation in the 80GB models.

Beyond that, most of the functions of the original Xbox hardware are likely easier to implement in emulation due to it's more conventional hardware design. That thing was little more than a low-end PC with a custom-tuned OS, API's, etc.

Vipre77

Well to be fair the PS2, though slowing down is still a pretty good cash cow. From a buisness standpoint I don't see them wanting to pull that from the retail market (just yet). I think we will see PS2 game come to the PS3 once the PS2 is "officially dead". I do wish they would release some of the more rare titles, and overseas titles for PS2 that never came out in other regions at least though.

-EDGE-

Sony has no plans of killing the PS2 just yet.

80sGuy

Given that most PS3s now have no BC, I don't see how this would work. Why would Sony offer a product that only a small percentage of the install base could use?

rightok

curses...

Cactuar

I guess 2.40 is as good as news gets for now...

almattitude_v1

Maybe Sony will announce their plans after the officially announce that they've decided how to handle the PS3's online service. So, 2-3 years from now we should expect it in a firmware update...

;-D

stranger

Whilst i dont have a PS3 yet, this is a bit of a bummer, though to be honest the PS2 is still selling strong and PS2 games are sold everywhere. Maybe Sony should look at making sure that all their SKU's have backs compat before deciding on something like this.

too-ninja

@SAKY: Both the Xbox and Xbox360 are based on similar architectures; essentially the same architecture that modern day PCs use. The Xbox used a single x86 based general purpose CPU, and the Xbox360 uses a 3-Core PowerPC based general purpose CPU. While there are differences between the x86 and PowerPC architectures, they are both based on the same traditional design that has been powering PCs since the 80s. As Vipre77 said, it would easier to emulate the Xbox on an Xbox360 due to their architectural similarities. Even so, emulating the Xbox on the Xbox360 is hard enough that MS took a game by game approach before quiting earlier this year.

As for the PS2 and PS3, both systems are based on very different and more complex architectures, centered around a single general purpose CPU and a number of special purpose processors: 2 Vector Processing Units for the PS2, and 7 Synergistic Processing Elements for the PS3. As it stands, Sony has managed to emulate most of the functionality of the Emotion Engine on the PS3 (80GB models), but has not been able to emulate the PS2s Graphics Synthesizer (the GS is included in the 80GB PS3s).

psycoking