What's with all the Treyarch employees coming online now and posing as apologists/fans of their games?

COD 3 blew to the point that Infinity Ward won't even allow you guys to make games within the series anymore, but spinoffs.

Enjoy making lousy licensed titles and stopgaps in big franchises.

Gitaroo_Dude

Did he just imply that Halo and Gears of War had great story telling?

Siskoraban

If they want to play games with good stories, why do they play Halo?

mnml10387

Well if they want to look at games with great storytelling why do they play Halo?

mnml10387

Treyarch: The Pot calling the Kettle Black since 1996!

Salen

@InsidiousTuna: Haha, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but COD3 was shit. Simply put. Take it from me or the other folks, no matter how hard you fight it it stays our opinion on the topic. COD3 was a terrible excuse for a WW2 game and made me feel like I was playing MOH:AA for all the wrong reasons.

Candlejack

Seriously W T F man

A bunch of absolute retards who made the worse COD ever
the famous crappy COD3, now the same bunch of losers are taking a shot at such an amazing franchise ?

Brothers in arms has always been the "New thing" in the WWII shooters, Something non of the developers have ever came even close to it ...
The soul, Story, tactics and realism ...

The guys Treyarch make games just to earn money with activision, now that they're making the new COD AND the new James Bond Game, they thought they just might be great somehow ...

Non of these random comments would put any doubt of Greatness of BIA franchise and professionalism of GearBox in making Great games

Insane

What a douchebag. Does this guy honestly not realize that the only Call of Duty games people care about are the ones made by Infinity Ward? You know, the company that makes GOOD games.

He's just trying to get more press for World at War, since he apparently knows that no one gives two shits about it.

Morithain

@balls187 upside yo head: COD3 was the first COD i played and i thought it sucked. COD4 is very fun and leaps better than three.

I dont care much for anyone talking crap about other game devs. Next thing you know this Heller guy is gonna start wearing sunglasses during interviews and trash talking every other game in the same genre.

SofaKingHI

Ahahah this guy's got some balls considering the steaming pile of shit Call of Duty 3 was compared to the rest of the series.

gils0n

God, Treyarch are doing the new Bond game too, aren't they?

Can't wait for them to call Goldeneye a big pile of shit.

Hendrixx

@Ruglia: Yes, he's badass, but I'm sorry, Red (from BiA) is still cooler than Price, even if Price's facial hair is fucking awesome.

Erwin

Ok. Too many people acting like assholes in this thread. CALL OF DUTY 3 WAS NOT A BAD GAME. Chill the hell out about this. It's fucking VIDEOGAMES. Some stuff just isn't worth fighting about.

InsidiousTuna

wtf!? Gearbox makes WAY better games than Treyarch

TheNocturnalSun

Maybe if COD3 was any good, Treyarch would have a point.

Amazon_Chris

@stranger: Actually, Treyarch aren't making the Wii version in-house, according to 1UP.

wild homes is weathering cephalopod trouble!

@stranger:

Yeah, but BiA was never on the Wii, and the games Treyarch is talking about have no representation on the Wii.

And then he just brought up the Ubisoft thing Wii owners cry about, which again isn't relevant to the Gearbox vs. Treyarch.

Gitaroo_Dude

Wait... Wait... We're forgetting the important part.

They're still making WWII games, a saturated sub-genre that I think we were all done with after CoD2.

art_zombie

@Tob3z: Umm... When they made Call of Duty 3.

InsidiousTuna

I almost thought for a second that these comments were made by Infinity Ward. Thank god it's actually from the guys who make the lackluster Call of Dutys.

While I still hold out hope for World at War, this is just childish. Come on guys, at least try and be proffesional.

Thorax

@Gitaroo_Dude:
Actually it does. Treyarch is releasing an identical (gameplay wise- not graphical) port of COD: World at War for the Wii. Though I don't think that getting an extremely scalable engine running on Wii is much to brag about myself...

...and Ubisoft is publishing Brothers in Arms: HH so, there you go with that.

stranger

Someone has a serious case of projection...

Klopfer123

To be fair, Treyarch did make Die by the Sword, which totally kicked ass. Of course, until they make another one instead of ruining Call of Duty, I'll have to respectfully tell them to shut the feck up.

Pezdispenser

Treyarch thinks theyre even as same league as Epic or Infinity Ward... lol

darktorns

@Candlejack: Definitely. I played the first BIA, and really liked it for it's emotional attachment to the squad mates. I also enjoyed the strategic approach to WW2, while still being right there where the action is. Intense game.

DigiMish

Nice to know that even Senior Producers think that you can learn everything you need to know about a game from watching a CG trailer.

That actually explains a lot about why Treyarch can only find success by copying the work of others, doesn't it?

stranger

@balls187 upside yo head: @RageKage: There are 2 theories as to why they are not being allowed to call this game "Call of Duty 5."

1. Infinity Ward no longer wants another developer messing with their franchise, so they are cool with Treyarch making spin-offs, but not "true" COD games.

2. Activision doesn't want World at War cannibalizing sales of COD4, which could potentially happen if they call this COD5. Your average Joe Blow gamer tends to think that the higher the number, the better the game. This easily could have happened when COD3 was released, and Activision could have had their "reputation" tarnished because of staggering disappoinment.

Theory 1 says the real developer of COD cannot trust Treyarch to make a good game. Theory 2 says the publisher of COD cannot trust Treyarch to make a good game.

baxterpunch

@Shiryu:

WTF?

This has nothing to do with the Wii or Ubisoft.

Crazy game-starved Wii owners...

Gitaroo_Dude

@Ruglia: The storyline was presented with very good quality (opening car cinematic), but at the end of the day, it was nothing amazing. But yea, better than Halo or Gears, no doubt.

DigiMish

Treyarch can go to hell. They take known quality franchises like CoD and turn them into shit over and over again. It was like that with the first CoD on consoles and with CoD 3 and will be with the next one. When they, for once, make their own game, it's a licensed property like Spider-Man and hits mediocre at best.

I may have lost a lotta respect for the guys at Gearbox because of endless delays, but I still value a good, finished Brothers in Arms game that makes me feel for the people in my squad and even the enemy in the end (like war games should; they're not meant to make you feel like Duke Nukem in WW2) more than the crap Treyarch spits out. BiA is almost a history lesson for many and it teaches a lot about strategy as key-role in actual WW2.

I've beaten the first two BiA and while the second wasn't as much of a sequel as I wanted it to be, they still were in a whole other league than Treyarch's games - right on the money. They were in the non-shitty league.

Seriously Treyarch, shut up.

Candlejack

Aww, gearbox was just in the corner minding their own business you assholes!

chorx

@Lazlo: +1 for linking to the "Isn't that called Rock Band?" comment. Never gets old.

DigiMish

@DigiMish: Well, CoD4's story was interesting.

'Sides, Price is a badass. Not Snake badass, but still a badass.

Ruglia

Wow, id expect this sort of mouth off AFTER both games were in the shelves. Stll, I have to admit, If I had a running version of the COD4 engine running on my Wii, id fell preety condifent too.

I like Treyarch and I like Gearbox. Both devs go some way back for me. So... lets all act our age, shall we?

PS: People who do shovelware for the Wii DESERVE a good bashing, btw. Not saying it's case from either of these two, but hey, just watch it, were on to you, Ubisoft...

Shiryu

While I have yet to be wowed by a BiA trailer (the graphics in particular are just really blah), I don't see how anyone could say with that much smugness that a corridor shooter like Call of Duty is somehow automatically superior to a game that isn't even out yet. Call of Duty 4 did what it did well, but was it really mind blowing? Not to me.

Regardless, BiA and CoD are very different games, at least if BiA continues to be like it was in the last generation. I didn't particularly like BiA, but I respect what it does and I certainly can't imagine being some shithead from Treyarch (a studio I actually like, btw) and bagging on someone else's game when I clearly have a lot to prove myself.

MSUSteve

@stranger:
"We don't think about them." Not thin, sorry.

stranger

Lawl.

Gears, Halo, CoD4 for great storytelling? All those have shitty storylines. Yes, even CoD4... don't tell me that you play CoD4 for story.

DigiMish

@Talleh: Because, it just bothers me that the people who make the game are so damn dumb. If Uwe Boll made a cinematic masterpiece, I wouldn't see it simply because he thinks he's the shit, and he bothers me. Sort of like David Jaffe, and now Cliff Blizinski(However the hell you want to spell it). There's no need for you to run around going "My game is awesome, your game is shit". It's simply not needed.

RageKage

"We don't thin about them."

READ:

"We're too busy copying Infinity Ward's playbook to copy from anybody else."

stranger

See this is one giant step backwards for games being considered anything more than a mindless hobby. It's bad enough that Xbox Live has more trash-talking and overall idiots who can't shut up, but now we have developers, the people making the games we trash-talk in! He should get fired for this. I'm all for a QA person hyping your game, but there is a more tactful way to do so.
[xbox360.ign.com]
The proper way to hype your game without bashing the competition.

Lazlo

You know, I really have trouble believing this.

I mean, we know Treyarch is a shitty developer. They even know, because they've been making tons of excuses to cover up for the shit that was COD 3.

For them to go out and rag on one of the best developers out there, who've made exemplary WW2 titles, strikes me as strange.

This is the equivalent of Microsoft's gaming studios calling Nintendo games shit.

Gitaroo_Dude

Credibility was lost when Halo and Gears was cited as sources and inspiration for great storytelling. End of story.

Sonic_and_Tails

COD3 wasn't really a piece of shit (well the Wii vs was).

People saying it was, never played the game.

COD3 was just like COD2 and that was the problem. COD1, COD2, and COD4 were all major leaps, and COD3 was just like a map pack.

balls187 upside yo head

Treyarch is nothing more than Infinity Ward's leftovers. I don't see why they're acting like hot shit. In my opinion, they should've stuck to porting Tony Hawk games.

Adrock4

I don't even know where to start comparing the action movie-style gameplay of CoD with the more realistic, tactical squad games that are the BiA titles.

Is this for real? I'm not so sure.

It'd be better to wait for Borderlands and compare that to Halo, wouldn't it?

pylon_trooper

Man, Treyarch needs to be better at who it picks fights with. Hell's Highway, along with the BIA series, are the only WW2 games that haven't beaten the genre like a dead nazi... i mean horse.

olinred

If COD5 sucks, then treyarch will probably solidify themselves as the Uwe Bwoll of the game industry.

If by some chance it rocks, then maybe they might have a point.

balls187 upside yo head

@RageKage:
I agree with you, but why would you not buy the game because of this? It's like not liking a band because they suddenly decide they're political idiots, as long as the music/game is great, who cares if the people behind it are assholes?

Talleh

Big words from the guys who gave us the video game adaptations of Spider-Man 3 and Minority Report.

hagridore

note to developers everywhere, especially ones who like to talk big. the WWII horse has been beaten to death, and is being beaten still, leave it alone, do something new. If your first 5 WW2 games were garbage, chances are your next 5 will be too.

ungivenglory

Ooh, yikes.

While I like Treyarch, and they've made some pretty nice games in the past, they shouldn't be calling Brothers in Arms crap.

Personally, BiA is one of the best WWII games in the market, if not the best. Yep, even better than CoD's. CoD is about explosions and actions, BiA is much deeper, both story-wise and gameplay-wise.
Heck, I think it's one of the best games in the market, not just WWII.

Coquiton

"We want to look at the games that do great storytelling."

Gears and Halo...

Guess what Treyarch? Fuck you. You just lost a customer. I was excited about COD5, even though most people weren't, because I love WWII and I hd fun in COD3's multiplayer, but picking on...no, wait, insulting one of the best WWII game series ever created, and then to call them out for something the game is built upon and genuinely does better than you at?

I hope COD5 fucking bombs.

RageKage

Well... I'm kinda hoping for the BIA game. I can remember being completely impressed that the opposing Nazis actually took us out so easily instead of being normal cannon fodder.

Kaizuden

@Juthan: people in glass houses sink ships!

vanishing.hero

Ouch, why would they say that!? D: The newest Brothers in Arms looks like a great game.

DranzerKire

well this is the first time Treyarch has had more then 2 years on Cod game so maybe it might be good. They only had like a year on CoD3

deathtastic

No matter how long it took to develop (there are plenty of awesome games with short dev cycles and Treyarch already had all the necessary technology from the get-go), Call of Duty 3 was a piece of shit, so this guy comes off a complete ass.

AlDim

Hrm...

Pretty feisty.

balls187 upside yo head

I'm gonna go ahead and agree with the rest of you in the fact that any company developing yet another WWII game really has no right talking crap about anybody.

COD3 was very sub-par so really all this moron is doing is trying to make yet another crappy WWII game using the success of the very non-WWII COD4.

LosCakes

Because COD always had better storytelling than BiA.
Right...

Erwin

Gearbox isn't in the same league as Treyarch they are in a far better league then Treyarch. The Brothers in Arms games are easily the best WWII games there are no exceptions.

Reibooi

GEARS OF WAR?! HALO?! GREAT STORYTELLING.. ow for fuck's sake.

Cosmitz

The soldier in the picture looks like he's going to cry from Treyarch's statement; but why is Treyarch so angry? Don't they have ninjas in their game?

ChiChi_BBQ

The nerve!

Call of Duty 3(which Treyarch was responsible for) sucked!

Brothers in Arms will no doubt dominate in a head-to-head.

j14rk1n

OOOOHHH SHHiiii...

honestly, even though its still another ww2 game set in europe, hells highway looks like the better game.. for now

warxsnake

Jesus, did Gearbox beat them in softball again?

baxterpunch

The only way I'm buying this guy's game is if there's a demo that absolutely blows me away.

Until then, Brothers in Arms.

.endejas.

I want Treyarch to go back to doing swords-and-sorcery games, which is what brought 'em to the dance.

I want Gearbox to continue to use other peoples' toolsets to create good games, which is what got them noticed.

That would eliminate two WWII franchises from our lives, and the world would be a little bit brighter.

Does Not Equal

Open mouth, insert foot.

Mal-Content

I hear people always putting down COD3. They've already said the were rushed to get that game out. If they had been given proper time to make the game better we might be praising COD3 today. I always tend to side with developers and feel their pain when something like that happens. This is their last shot though, so if the new COD sucks then its off with their heads.

sniper13x

If I had any respect for Treyarch to begin with, I would have lost it after reading this.

TOWER_JUNKIE

Sigh. When will developers learn to shut their yaps when it comes to knocking the competition?

As for me, I'm way more excited about BiA than I am Treyarch's new CoD.

BigWeather

Wow. Looks like having the CoD4 engine to work with has given Treyarch something to hide behind. Treyarch's writing checks the CoD4 engine can backup unless TA really really really F*cks up the CoD4 engine which is pretty stable.

No IW CoD = No sale

until then ill be on team hardcore with my awesome noobtube build overkill, martyrdom, M-16 with noob tube, M4 with noob tube giving me a total of 4 noob tubes.

hungry_for_worms

Glass houses...stones...all that.

Juthan

@Spoony Bard:
Well, he used to be a nice guy. (at least the times I talked to him.)

DigitalHero

Wait .. isn't Brothers in Arms the one with realistic flanking and WW2 tactics along with historically accurate battles with crazy attention to battlefield detail?

... didn't call of duty 3 kind of blow?

Treyarch fucking blow. Sucks infinity ward got pulled off... would be halarious to see them be like "Lets make a WW1 game that makes all these other games look like shite..." then 3 years later... it's 8000 WW1 games comin out the freakin woodwork.

silkysm00th

Always great to hear trash talking from a studio that hasn't made a good game yet. I don't mind waiting for Infinity Ward to make the next REAL CoD, but I could do without Treyarch stooges trying to talk big off IW's rep.

Lackshmana

Pftt. Gears of War had great storytelling? Great game sure, but storytelling was not it's strong point

Ollivander

Treyarch, your psychoanalyst called.

They want the patient with lashing out problems and serious insecurity back.

Polterg3ist

Treyarch wish they were a pot. This is like a turd calling the kettle black.

wild homes is weathering cephalopod trouble!

Wow...He might have a point though. Wasnt that game suppose to come out year 1 on the 360? I think we will see a new round of consoles before the thing ever hits retail.

Of course Treyarch shouldnt be talking because I played COD3 and it was no gem.

parad0x360

this coming from the company thats probably gonna kill off the goodness that was/is CoD4

Raziel Dune

@DigitalHero: Hopes that more controversy = more sales?

Who knows.

Spoony Bard

this is like a legless man laughing at someone who trips and falls.

Truepatriot

Harsh. Now we need a response from Brothers in Arms!

everybest

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

Flurp

Funny, I know Noah Heller. I can't believe he is making those comments.

DigitalHero

Shut yo mouth Treyarch. When did you ever make a decent war game?

Tob3z

Activision seems to talk alot of trash, they bashed Army of Two and Rainbow Six Vegas as well.

Iceking5

@parad0x360:

How is that relevant? A good game company takes time in creating a product while one makes a half assed attempt while Activision demands a new Call of Duty game in 8 months?

Sorry, I'll trust Gearbox and their track record over Activision and CoD3.

And Brothers in Arms is a hell of a lot better than anything Treyarch has ever produced.

LORDofDANCE

I hate these type of developers. They make me want to never buy a game made from them again. I don't like my money going to guys like this also the same company (is Activision in this case) that is milking their franchises like there is no tomorrow. Enough is enough already we don't need Spider-Man 587, Guitar Hero Backstreet Boys Edition, and Call of Duty World War II Part 7 Take 5 all over again.

Fireblast

@SofaKingHI: Headlines been updated to confirm Shabat0ge info.

WhiskeyJak

@Vanguarde:

* Die by the Sword (1998)
* Die by the Sword: Limb from Limb (1998) (Expansion Pack)
* Triple Play 2000 (1999)
* Draconus: Cult of the Wyrm (2000)
* Max Steel (2000)
* Triple Play 2001 (2000)
* NHL 2K2 (2001)
* Triple Play Baseball (2001)
* Kelly Slater's Pro Surfer (2002)
* Minority Report: Everybody Runs (2002)
* Spider-Man (2002)
* NHL 2K3 (2002)
* Spider-Man 2 (2004)
* Call of Duty 2: Big Red One (2005)
* Ultimate Spider-Man (2005)
* Call of Duty 3 (2006)
* Spider-Man 3 (2007) (Only developed the Xbox 360 & PS3 version of the game)

Ported

* Spider-Man (2000) (originally by Neversoft)
* Tony Hawk's Pro Skater (to Dreamcast) (originally by Neversoft)
* Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 (to Dreamcast) (originally by Neversoft)
* Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 & Tony Hawk's Pro Skater as Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2X (to Xbox) (originally by Neversoft)

In development

* Spider-Man: Web of Shadows - (Q3 2008) Wii, PS3, PS2, Xbox 360, Nintendo DS, PC
* Quantum of Solace (video game) - (November 2008) PS3, Xbox 360, Wii
* Call of Duty: World at War (November 2008) - PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, Nintendo DS, PC

Now wheres my brownie.

Geoff900

@Shabat0ge: Just want to point out at ShabatOge comment. The guy's doesn't work for Treyarch but for Activision. That's the usual publisher bullshit putting the dev in the hot seat for no f*cking good reason. Way to go Heller, you just won the "Douche of the Month" award, for your comment AND saying really really stupid stuff in the name of a developer that would like nothing better than be totally dissociated from you and your stupid comments.

So people calm down. If anything, point your anger at Activision and Heller (what people are gonna say now since AV published every COD's?? ;) ).

WhiskeyJak

@Candlejack: Sigh...Tuna, I want to defend you here but unfortunately CJ is right here. COD3 was pretty subpar compared to the rest.

Spoony Bard

@Shabat0ge: yeah make it known on the XBOX forum... seems like BS. the damage has been done.

SofaKingHI

Those who live in glass houses should not throw stones.

Tsk tsk tsk., Treyarch.

Jon-Claw

Funny, I thought the game industry was so close and that these kind of attacks did not take place.

I will give a brownie without nuts to the first Kotaku-nite that produces a complete list of all Treyarch games.

Let's see how crappy their past is compared.

If Treyarch wants to play this game, they need to whip it out like a man and own up to their shortcomings.

What's next, an ad from Treyarch like this?:

" Treyarch is going to make you their bitch "

COD:WaW - coming soon

Suck it down "

Vanguarde

The person who made that comment doesn't even work at Treyarch.

Read this post!
[forums.xbox.com]

Shabat0ge

I somehow seem to recall something about how BiA is the actual recreation of fairly well documented events for a specific unit during WW2, where as COD has generally been a series of slight fabrications, with a general basis in fact.

KommissarK

@InsidiousTuna: But sir, it was BELOW mediocre. BELOW, I tells ya!

And besides, Call of Duty while being an awesome series is overrated.

DigiMish

I had to read those first two sentences like 8 times before I was able to figure out who was saying what to whom.

TomHayden

@Spoony Bard: A mediocre Call of Duty is fantastic compared to other games. Just because it wasn't as good as 1, 2, or 4 doesn't mean it wasn't quite good in its own right. I'd rather bogey on Augusta than birdie at my local golf course.

InsidiousTuna

Just figured I'd say the same thing as everybody else (for the most part) and tell Treyarch to STFU.

BIA is an amazing series, and Treyarch hasn't made anything good since..ummm... oh well.

thegreatseal

Wow, well that's another nail in the coffin for this game. Not only is this guy a jackass he thinks Halo and (and this completely blows my mind) GEARS OF WAR have good storytelling.

Luziphir

Did he really cite Gears of War as an example of great storytelling? And furthermore, is anyone excited about yet another WWII shooter (oh, but I'm suuuure it has great storytelling.)?

mrryu

Well since these dipshits let cod3 go out the door, i really dont think they have room to mouth off. I personally think BIA looks a hell of a lot better than the next WW2 call of duty. This asshat better put out the best cod game ever if he wants to avoid looking like a dick. not that it will happen, but just sayin

smuckersisgood

Treyarch is a freaking joke.

HaydenTenno

@Salen:
No but who's fault was it wanting it done in 8 months?

System_Zero

It's Activision talking trash again. No idea when everyone is up and arms over it.

System_Zero

All I know is last time I played BIA it was awesome. last time I played COD3 it was not.

RichMeisterMan

@InsidiousTuna: We didn't forget that. We just don't have much of a tolerance for rush jobs is all. Speed is no substitute for quality. And expecting us to say "Oh, well, they did it in 8 months, we can't fault them for making a mediocre game" is a bunch of hooie.

Salen

Holy crap, Shabat0ge was right -- the guy who said alla that isn't even a Treyarcher.

[forums.xbox.com]

Perhaps Mr. McWhertor or one of the Brians will update the above article accordingly so there's no mistake?

Does Not Equal

Everyone seems to forget that Treyarch put out COD3 in eight months.

InsidiousTuna

If this idiot of a developer would put effort and time into a game to make it "better" than talking crap then you would need to make stupendous remarks against another who is already better in making a WWII game.

Mr.DuckSauce

I played the first two BIA games on pc and i thought they were terrible.I bought the first game and it seemed so dumbed down that it had obviously been developed more for the consoles than the pc.The path was very linear and seemed overly restrictive with 2 foot high barrers guiding you around to the next area where as in real life you would have just stepped over them, the aiming was the most retarded thing ever, the gun swayed all over the place as if the player had been in the pub all day necking down pints of newcastle brown ale and i came to one section of the game where the enemy were taking cover in a barn.I charged the wide open barn doors to go in and flush them out only to find that the nazis had erected an invisible force field across the gap and entering was impossible.Talk about ruining the atmosphere.On a positive note the taking command of other soldiers part was well implemented but i haven`t felt the urge to touch that game since.
Played the second game in the series for a short while (my bro in law owns it) and found it to have much of the same flaws as the first game.Bro in law reckoned that it was a pile of shit,i agreed.
I enjoyed the Cod series a lot more.

UFO

You asshats make me sick.

InsidiousTuna

Wow! I just actually watched the whole interview and the fat guy comes off as 100 times the douche as he does in the straight text alone. The guy to his right, his co-worker, is clearly backing away from him and his ridiculous statements.

MSUSteve

Activision needs to change their name now to Assholevision ... seriously, when will they realize that the whole e-penis internet shit talking is as lame as it gets in gaming. And doesnt make one cool.

EnigmaNemesis

@InsidiousTuna: Because we disagree with you and dislike a game you obviously have much appreciation for, you've been calling us assholes and asshats that make you sick. Way to go.

Stop whining about a game. It's not like you lost anything. In this comments section most people hate it and you like it, what's the big deal?

I'm gonna say this only once, which I got from David Jaffe: Why would I be modest and humble about this? Do I not as a human being have the right to state my fucking opinion in public about a game that I dislike in a reasonable way (I didn't come out and say "COD3 SUCKS SO HARD" and finished there) and not be attacked or degraded in many ways by somebody?

Are you serious?

THAT makes me sick dude. You're talking down on people because they don't like the same stuff that you do.

Candlejack

@InsidiousTuna: I've been saying the same as you about CoD3 for years Tuna and it never gets me anywhere. The internet KNOWS that CoD3 was an absolute piece of crap and there's no convincing anyone that it was a pretty decent game. You'll be happier if you just give up the fight. I've certainly tired of defending it.

MSUSteve

Just to be clear, I think Shaba Games is making Spider-Man Web of Shadows, not Treyarch. I think Treyarch's name is attached along with Shaba's because Shaba is using some of Treyarch's tech or something.

MSUSteve

What assholes.

Ping5000

Wow, it must have been his tact that got him hired =\ That whole interview was just embarrassing to watch. I've never seen someone who appeared to try so hard to be an LA suit. Why would you want to try and be a jackass?

Yes, please tell the world about the Pacific theater of world war 2 because the whole world knows nothing about it since it has only been covered by one video game instead of twenty. How else are we supposed to learn about history but from video games... What a tool.

H1TnRON

Wow, I guess it shows why the COD franchise is turning into mindless shovelware. What with guys like that in charge.

I have even less interest in checking out their latest regurgitated generic-FPS with now.

I have however finished both Brothers in Arms 1 & 2 more than once each.. and I rarely finish games I buy. I'll be buying Hell's Highway for sure as well.

Tarislar

Just another case where Activision really is the new EA. A shame that they say stuff like this because no one is going to get the memo that it was an Activision producer and not someone from Treyarch.

Cutedge

Hmmmm, Treyarch rides the coattails of the Spiderman brand and Infinity Ward's Call of Duty series.

BIA is an original property designed by the brilliant Gearbox software.

Your right, you shouldn't compare your annually released interactive branded product to someone who actually creates original games. You are the McDonalds and BIA is the steak.

Brendar

@Candlejack: Actually, he's merely sick because no one is showing respect for his opinion.

Furious_Liver

@hodayathink: I like neo-noir lesbians: I did read that as soon as it was posted in the comments and subsequently stopped talking about Treyarch. It's just the mentality of "you don't share my opinion so I dislike and degrade you" that does it for me. :/

I never mean any offense online, trust me, but I can't stand when that kinda thing takes place.

Candlejack

@Candlejack: I agree with Tuna, but not for the same reasons. Mainly, because people have still don't have the ability to read. About 50-60 posts after it has been mentioned, and even after the article title was changed, people seem to still be insulting Treyarch, though they had nothing to do with comment. And I have played COD3, and I thought it was okay. Not great, not shit, just okay.

hodayathink: I like neo-noir lesbians

unprofessional.

realityengine

okay activistion guy, keep bragging about that rather generic and overrated franchise that you're going to milk for all its worth till the end of time.

just don't look down on a game that has actual original gameplay concepts and true story telling that actually creates memorable characters that many have connected with.

k.ong

What a moron. Why would you talk smack when you haven't actually delivered on anything?
Noah, go ask Gabriel Arenas what happened when he prematurely talked shit on LBJ, i'll wait...

decodergrizzly

He's right though.
In all the COD games you could just suck on your thumb for a few seconds and be right back to full health and as soon as your allies die new clones take there place. Most don't have names and they get in your way half the time, while being little more than bullet shields the other half.

In BIA You have to live with the wounds you take and the dead soldiers you failed to lead. You need your fellow soldiers and they all have names, faces, stories and some really lived.

So yeah big difference.

Wait.... has he even played any of the BIA games? If I have this right he's basing the quality of game on just the trailer?

Right, whatever strokes your ego.

nightshade71986

Really, trash talk! lol... He's now so high...

bubble-bee

I forgot that Treyarch made cod2: big red one, i loved that game.

nitram100

@Geoff900:

Vanguarde

I agree with most of what has already been said and these comments have heavily shaken my faith in Treyarch. I thought "What the heck, why not give em another shot at glory? After all they've had to be in IW's shadow all this time." That all changed with these comments. BiA:tRtH30 (woah!) was and still is one of my favorite games of all time and certainly my favorite WWII game and so far BiA:HH looks really promising.

But these comments also showcase another new, developing trend in gaming, mud-slinging.

Back in the day, before the internet, people of course held beef against one another in various media arenas. But they were a lot less vocal about it. There were simply less ways to to talk about a beef and it was easier for PR people to stop them.

Now a days there seem to be a lot more people acting, well, rather ungentlemenly. Don't think a competing game is all that? Why voice your opinion on it? It just makes you and your company seem like asses. It's also just a sort of professional courtesy. And if the game is bad then people will know from non-biased sources and you'll have a subtle victory.

Also as a young person myself I'm hesitant to blame this on a younger crowd, but I think that's a part of it. Let's face it younger people, especially men are more hot-headed and thusly have a greater tendency to attack other companies.

Anyway I think that people should stop silly mud slinging if for no other reason then for good publicity. It's just a nasty business.

M-26-7

@WhiskeyJak: Well said sir

Draven23

[forums.xbox.com]

Please read, message from Treyarch

Draven23

Hi everybody,

My name is JD, and I'm the Community Manager here at Treyarch Stduios. I'm writing to you on behalf of my colleagues here at Treyarch.

Over the weekend, we learned that some disparaging comments were made by an Activision rep at a recent Call of Duty: World at War press event. We want to let everyone know that we found those remarks offensive, and they do not in any way represent the feelings of any developer at this studio or at Activision. We hold all of our peers in the development community in the highest regard. We have nothing but respect for the guys and gals at Gearbox.

We offer our sincerest apologies to anybody who was offended.

Kindly,
Treyarch dev team

JD_2020

Hi everybody,

My name is JD, and I'm the Community Manager here at Treyarch Stduios. I'm writing to you on behalf of my colleagues here at Treyarch.

Over the weekend, we learned that some disparaging comments were made by an Activision rep at a recent Call of Duty: World at War press event. We want to let everyone know that we found those remarks offensive, and they do not in any way represent the feelings of any developer at this studio or at Activision. We hold all of our peers in the development community in the highest regard. We have nothing but respect for the guys and gals at Gearbox.

We offer our sincerest apologies to anybody who was offended.

Kindly,
Treyarch dev team

JD_2020

Treyarch sucks so much ass, they have never made a decent game. And them dissing on a game that actually looks good just shows how arrogant they are.

Invert-Blu

You know what, fellas? He's right about saying how Gearbox isn't in the same league as Treyarch.

Gearbox is in a higher league, a much higher league.

N3k74r42

As some people would say:

no u

Dekabreak

Everyone loves a good fight now and again. It gets the blood flowin!

OtisElevator

Brothers In Arms: Road to Hill 30 and Earned in Blood for all the platforms rocked. Call of Duty 3 for the consoles was extremely medicore and wholy unorginal by mostly ripping off Day of Deafeat's gameplay mechanics and settings for a multiplayer title. Hell's Highway looks extremly more attractive to me than World At War, mostly because Gearbox is a proven good studio (minus the horrid James Bond and Halo ports) and Treyarch is what... known mostly as a one-trick porting pony with most of their IP's worked on coming from , generaly, another studio orignaly within activision...

MisterIrons

@wild homes is weathering cephalopod trouble!:

My understanding was that they had a separate team in-house working exclusively on the Wii version, and that said team was very small.

I could certainly be mistaken, I'm was and am now still paraphrasing.

stranger

BIA owns. You fail COD. FAIL.

Kimiko

Has Treyarch ever made a good game? No they have not. STFU.

Budkin