@XbhaskarX: Valve doesn't hate PS3. They just make it very clear that they like good ideas :) I for one think Valve is a smart company that makes smart decisions and quality games so...

okenny :)

@Drake Lake: Palms Fitted Black:
Well, in defense, Newell brought this upon himself by shit-talking the PS3 at every possible opportunity, delivering a shitty port of a game he developed to the system and then not supporting it at all, and then considering releasing his games on the competing platform without so much as a word of consolation to PS3 owners.

Newell hates the PS3, so it's not much of a leap to make that PS3 owners aren't exactly keen on Valve at the moment.

Archaotic

@Deus_EpS: Valve hates the PS3.

XbhaskarX

@Arsenicberyllium: ACTUALLY... one of the news that came up this past E3 about the "new" 360 Experience (or whatever it's called) is a new tiered pricing system that will have larger games to come at $20 bucks that were hinted as being much larger then the current cap of over 350 MB. my numbers may be a bit off but that's the gist of it.

okenny :)

Yay this is gonna turn into a PSN vs. Xbox Live shitfest like always. Great.

Drake Lake: Palms Fitted Black

@Deus_EpS: Game Set and Match

Gantz: Your Trusted Friend in Science.

@Deus_EpS:

Gabe Newell dies a little whenever someone says something positive about the PS3.

Indy_aka_Rex

@Arsenicberyllium: Compression can do wonders for an old game. If Portal can fit, HL1 can fit. Or at the very least CS or DoD.

Luke Plunkett

@Archaotic: Hahaha that's too true! XD

Gunloc

Hopefully it's a working version this time.

GrandfatherParadox

@ireidt:
But not PSN of course. The very thought of a PSN release of Half-Life 1 or Blue Shift would probably make Gabe Newell's head explode from rage.

Archaotic

@Niflheim: or just...y'know...release them on PSn where...y'know...there isnt any kind of limit.

Deus_EpS

@Arsenicberyllium: If there is a will there is a way. Valve has done a lot with Steam, the Half life series, Left4dead, orange box, etc. I think that Steam could find a way to get Half Life series ( including Blue Shift and Opposing Force) onto XBLA.

ireidt

Why not? Money is Money right?

Gantz: Your Trusted Friend in Science.

@Arsenicberyllium:
They'd probably have to downgrade the graphics even more.

Niflheim

Could they fit on XLBA?

I'll admit I'm sketchy on size limitations and the size of old Valve Games, but I'm pretty sure Half-Life and such are past 512MB to possibly a Gig or More.

Arsenicberyllium

Love the picture. Very iconic while being relevant :p

Mustakrakish

@Arsenicberyllium:

Something tells me compression won't be a serious issue, especially with the 360 launching with a 60GB hard drive soon. With the fall update coming with game install abilities as well, the 360 going forward will undoubtedly receive some significant storage upgrades. I'm sure that XBLA size constrains will eventually be adjusted to take advantage of the extra size as well.

~

By the way, the comments you made in the sales data post recently were uncalled for and immature. The thrashing made by others certainly indicated no one else held the same sentiment you did. Certainly was a good laugh!

mr_dimsum

@DARTH_TIGRIS:
Yeah, exactly. It's pretty well-established that Newell hates the PS3 specifically because it uses OpenGL instead of DirectX, and he's one of the people behind DirectX from back when he worked at Microsoft. That old favoritism never faded when he formed Valve, and as such any architecture that doesn't run on DX is like Sanskrit to him.

Basically...he's lazy and stubborn.

Archaotic

@okenny :): You're like an angel in the comment section. <3

FP_slomo788

If the PC is the main platform that you develop for, I would imagine that the PS3 would be frustrating. PS3 games are released on the PS3. PC games can usually be released on the PC and 360 with little effort, relatively speaking of course. So Gabe doesn't like the PS3 for that reason. Its all good.

Even if Half Life is released, its an old game. I couldn't even stomach playing the Marathon trial. I guess there is a market for them, so we'll see.

DARTH_TIGRIS

when are we getting the flash map pack for portal? none of that still alive bullshit we want the damn map pack :)

Silenced

@okenny :):
So...drunk, then? :P

Archaotic

I'd buy Half-Life... I've never owned the game and I did so enjoy The Orange Box.

Ninegauger

@Arsenicberyllium: Clearly if you read the quote carefully, you will not that's not his hate... that was hate gifted to him by Sony so technically the hate people claim Gabe has for the PS3 was originally Sony's therefore Sony hates the PS3. Now, I'm no psychology professor but before the PS3 feels that it needs love from Valve, it needs to deal with the broken relationship between it and Sony.

I think people should help Sony and the PS3 reconcile rather then dragging Mr. Newll into this o_O

...I'm not high.

okenny :)

I love you VALVe. I'd buy them on XBLA but I have them all on Steam. Unless it was Half Life with the inclusion of Half Life: Decay, then i would buy.

KEITH1437

@Indy_aka_Rex: Then i guess by now Kojima's already killed him a few hundred times over?

Deus_EpS

@kommanderk:
Exactly. They farmed it out to a known-to-be-shit developer to save money and didn't care at all about the game at all, despite clearly spending a lot more time and effort on the 360 version.

Valve had the money and the manpower to do it themselves, but they chose to outsource it as a show of distaste for the PS3 platform, as if it was 'beneath them' to even touch it. The PS3 port, since it wasn't done by the original team (or even a competent one) ended up being inferior, thus letting Newell's pre-release PS3 bashes have some merit in a "see, TOLD YOU SO" kind of manner.

Newell hates the PS3, which means Valve hates the PS3. And if he's going to play fanboy, he'd better be ready to face the tide of people calling him an asshole for it. Fanboys are assholes no matter how much money they make.

Archaotic

Purle Box: Half life 2: Episode 3, Black Mesa Source, Portal 2, Day of Defeat.

Make it happen Valve

Fermbiz

@Thorax: Hey, hey... I didn't say it. Gabe Newll did... go hate him :|

okenny :)

Welp... To quote the great, deep thinker Marcus Fenix: "It never ends."

Drake Lake: Palms Fitted Black

I really wish this was coming to PSN. But I won't miss it too much. If people are going to start making games like FFXIII and Bioshock cross platform there is no reason Valve can't do this other than they don't want to. But that's okay, they don't really neeeeed my money.

Tiger-Fever

@okenny :): When you say naughty things like that I get all worked up inside ;)

Gunloc

I demand a remake. Wheres the Black Mesa mod? Hire that team and help them out!!!!!!!

Fermbiz

@okenny :): Oh, I get what you're saying. The PS3 isn't a good idea.

Thorax

@Archaotic: VALVE DID NOT MAKE THE PS3 PORT.

and now he did not "bring it upon himself. he is a developer, if he doesnt like a platform he has every damn right to say what he wants wheather you like it or not.

kommanderk

@okenny :): I hope this new pricing sysmtem allows for 600 point games. Srsly I don't get why there are no 600 point games. Some games deserve to be higher than 400, but aren't complex enough to be 800. A perfect example is Roogoo. A cute little puzzle game, but 800 is just a little too much.

kojirodensetsu

@okenny :): [kotaku.com]

Arsenicberyllium

@Archaotic:

ok im just not even going to acknoledge you exist after that comment. fanboy does not equal troll.

you have your head shoved way to far up your own ass.

kommanderk

@Archaotic:
Grah, curse the lack of an edit button. It should read "that's calling me a fanboy".

Archaotic

@kommanderk:
"I think you need to reevaluate who the fanboy actually is.

Ill give you a hint, you."

That's calling me a troll, dude. I don't know how that statement could be taken any other way. :P

And honestly, just because Valve's a PC dev doesn't give them the right to shit-talk the PS3, the Wii, Macs, or anything else like Newell so loves to do. Their domain is the PC, so they should stick to that and not go out insulting things they're clearly unwilling to experiment with.

Archaotic

@kommanderk: Man there is no excuse for the way Valve treated PS3. And since the thing is just silicon and metal, PS3 owners are the one that have to feel offended for it. When I hear "PS3 is a waste of time" I hear "PS3 owners are a waste of time" because the console itself won't buy the games, but the owners will. In short Valve doesn't have time to work for their money. And what you said just proved the point even more: they didn't choose the team. If that were true, it almost sounds like Valve just threw the IP in the toilet and EA happened to be in the sewers and cooked it there for PS3. It's obviously not what happened, but it's probably close. Many companies focus on only one platform, but no exclusive compay has ever been a bigger elitist douche than Valve.

FP_slomo788

@Archaotic: again valve is a pc gameing company, how do you not get this. all those other companis have experince working with many diffrent pieces of hardware.

and 2 i never called you a troll. which leads me back to how you seem to be taking this way to personally

kommanderk

@kommanderk:
The point is, it's their IP. They shouldn't have let EA do the port if they didn't think they'd do a good job, and they certainly shouldn't have let Gabe run his mouth like an asshole at every opportunity.

You don't see Square Enix saying "lol the 360 sucks it's terrible to develop for" when working on multiplatform, and you don't see Infinity Ward whining about the PS3 while working on their games. Or Capcom, or Namco, or Epic. Newell's comments were blatant bashes of a system his company was delivering a game for, which were uncalled for and totally unsubstantiated.

Just because someone doesn't agree with you doesn't mean they're a troll.

Archaotic

I wonder how much it would cost in comparison to Steam?

*Looks up price*

Holy crap, Half-Life 1, Opposing Force, Blueshift, and Team Fortress Classic for only $15 on Steam? *whips out wallet*

Now look what you made me do Plunkett. >:(

Pezdispenser

@kommanderk: i meant 360, i dont know how it ended up as 20

kommanderk

@Archaotic:

1. EA decided who would do the port, they wanted to make it on ps3 so badly and valve let them do it. valve did not pick the team.

2.Valve is a game company they only bother with 20 cause it is similar to a PC. if they don't like the ps3 thats their choice. it is not fanboyism like you claim.

I think you need to reevaluate who the fanboy actually is.

Ill give you a hint, you.

kommanderk

@kommanderk: Wonderful retort. You were on your high school debate team, weren't you? I just have this gift for reading people.

InsidiousTuna

@Archaotic: Thank you for showing me how someone intelligently debates something on the internet. You just earned an add my fellow Kotaku Kommentator!

Thorax

@My360broked: guess you mean ps2

Silenced

@okenny :): I'm not hating, I was just a little unclear as to what you meant. Dude huges all around!

Gabe Newell hates the PS3, and everything else that isn't a PC or relatively close to one spec wise (ala 360).

It's hard for me to stay mad at him, though. Valve makes or has a hand in creating some of the best games I've ever played, and from the looks of Left 4 Dead, I'll need to buy a 360 soon.

Thorax

@kommanderk: Actually, correct me if I'm wrong, but Valve's developed for consoles in the past, or maybe it's just their IP's; I'm pretty sure I saw a Half-Life port for PS1 on wikipedia. Take that with a grain of salt, of course.

My360broked

@My360broked: now who would want to bring up something like that?

goboard117

@kommanderk: @Archaotic: you guys go get a room :p (j/k)

Silenced

Hmmm, well, that's good to hear. I've lost all of my old game discs for pc, so I'll probably get a few of these with the Gamerpoint gift cards I got for christmas and never used.

Somehow I think that someone will be ranting about how these aren't apparently coming to PSN, but I haven't checked yet. It's just an odd feeling I have...

My360broked

and all was quiet on the Kotaku front...

goboard117

@Archaotic: like you cant handle some one elses opinion of ps3

OH SNAP

kommanderk

Half-Life collection on Steam (Half-Life, OpFor, Decay, Blue Shift, and if they can get the rights, the Point of View mod). Make it happen. Credit card is standing by.

RedRaptor

@kommanderk:
Fine by me. There's no point in talking to people who can't handle a dissenting opinion.

Archaotic

also think Gearbox handled the ports not Valve...
But on topic would love to see Half-life on Live, but if was on PSN SCEE would likely delay it & charge nearly double compared to SCEA

Speaking from experience as a PAL user

Mr.Monkey

@My360broked: A port was on PS2. Also there was a port with blue shift on Dreamcast that never was published, but a beta version was leaked years ago...

Mr.Monkey

Hmmm the thought of Counter-Strike on xbox live arcade with voice chat. It terrifies me.

Pornosaur

Hmm... Valve leaves me no choice other than to e-mail them now to askabout the psn version!

aphexmalus

Why bother with the arcade when they can release CS:S, Half-Life, Decay, Blue Shift, Team Fortress, and Opposing Force, all in one game? They could call it The Old Box, charge $60 for it, and have another 99 achievements.

Yert

Why do I get the feeling that TF2 is going to be rereleased on XBLA with new maps and updates? I better start expecting it now so that if it does happen I won't be so butt hurt ;P

Gunloc

This would be awesome!!! Get the first Half Life on there!! Hell, get opposing force & blue shift on there too!!! I'd buy them all again!!!

Connobi

HL2DM, CSS, DODS hells yeah

zaagis

Of course, no PSN directive. Man, I'd give up a testicle if Valve showed any ounce of consideration for the Playstation 3.

In any case, sounds like a great time in the future if I should ever want to buy it off XBLA.

Reule

Mauve Box: Counter-Strike, Opposing Force, Blue Shift, Decay, Codename: Gordon.

Please! For Christmas! Do it for the kids!

DreadSpaniard

@kommanderk: You meant 20x18=360

Barf#1

@Fermbiz: I Love Day of Defeat Honestly that game is awesome.

Barf#1

@Tiger-Fever: I can't seem to understand why they don't want my money. Seems to me all the hard work is already done when re-releasing an old game. Characters, Story, Design etc. How hard can it be to take something already complete and just transistion it. If The Penny Arcade developers can do it on Ps3 there no reason in the entire freakin universe Valve Can't. Honestly I can't see any reason other than their strong aversion to sony.

Barf#1

@okenny :): Alright we all know it's hard to develop for but honestly how is it a good idea to not have a game people are willing to pay for appear on every system possible. I would pay an unheard of sum to play counter Strike on Ps3. That would make my day. If it was really that hard to do we wouldn't have as many games as we do have on it today. Valve needs to get over it.

Barf#1

That'd be cool... I mean, I'd never buy it cause I'm all for PC (and I already own pretty much all their games) but if there's anyone that *hasn't* played Half-Life (and I shudder at the thought) then this might be a good way to expand it's audience.

Absent Blue

I own em all for the PC.

But i'd love to have them in my XBL collection.

For some reason I like having the right to have games on my console. I have HL1 + Expansions, DoD, TFC, CS 1.6, CS CZ and all he other stuff that disc game..

I've got them all on disc and my steam account. I still feel Valve are amazing at offering value for money.

I also own HL2 twice, with the orange box on the 360.

The problem I have is before they bring this stuff to the arcade, fix the orange box by fixing up TF2. Its a amazing game and with the updates from the PC version with some fixed netcode I believe it could have a bigger audience.

flukielukie

STOP WASTING RESOURCES ON CONSOLES ... come on valve, come back to the real world, the origins of times

waza

@Arsenicberyllium: If I remember correctly HL1 is under 500mb. Not entirely sure though.

@flukielukie: Yeah they definitely need to fix TF2. I only ever played it twice cause I couldn't stand the lag.

paeper

I wouldn't mind some Half-Life 1 on XBLA, but only if it doesn't delay production of Episode 3.

Tomahawk214

@Archaotic: Valve is a small company. If you watch the Left4Dead interviews, they only have people working on PC's and Xbox 360 at valve at the moment. They never said they wouldn't mind a PS3 version of Left4dead ( and probably any of their games) but they are waiting for a 3rd party to work on that.

ireidt

how about the update tf2 for the 360 then hey can start talking about this stuff.

magic1234

Valve should just make steam for consoles and be able to link it to your PC account. Or better just make their own console.

tdreher

"If you look at what we've done on Steam, we try to make all our games available "

So then how can they justify completely ignoring PSN users? This wouldn't frustrate me as much if he would even just say, "look, we don't want to on PSN, for no real reason other than we just don't want to."

But instead, PSN users are ignored. And I'm not attacking Live in the slightest, I'm happy this is happening, but damnit, why are PS3 users left out?!?!

dkrefft

Half Life 1 on Steam is 417 megs, so I wouldn't worry about size.

Ackart

I wonder if it will be the Source'd up versions of these games, or if it's the originals. I'm also curious about the cost in points. But Valve would be stupid not to do it, I'm sure they would make a good profit putting games on XBLA. I wonder if that means it'll be on PSN, too.

Strangelove