@slomo788: Yes, I do think that PSN will go from strength to strength from now.

I've never paid for Live, and find it a bit hard to stomach £40 a year for getting to play online. I don't care about any of the added extras. I want to be able to play online multiplayer games, and have a list of friends. That's all.

If anything, I reckon that the rivalry between the two console's online services will be one of the biggest benefits to gamers. Microsoft have to keep improving Live to make it worth the money, or give it away for free. Hopefully improvements will be made by the time I pick up a 360.

Krondonian

@Maldron:

Oh! Right! Well, I'd use them. :D

B-Tizo

@B-Tizo: Right, and you're achievements are just a blatant copy of Skill Points from Spyro 2. Have fun.

Amazon_Chris

I think that's fair; get Resistance 2 out the gate and if then throw around adding em to part 1. as long as games from this point out have them - and good ones like Uncharted, etc get em added back - id say we're even.

just holding my breath for the MGS4 ones. its inevitable, but id like a ballpark on them.

TheIrishNinja

@B-Tizo: And why is that bad exactly? You claim that Live is so amazing and has so many great features and then you accuse Sony of copying it's features. Hmm... but they're only bad on the PS3 because they're not original, right? Ha. You fanboys crack me up. Face it, PSN is looking better each and every day and the gap is getting thinner and thinner. Jealous much? Apparently so much you have to brag about features that haven't even been implemented and hold a position of double standards.

@PITwelve: Sorry, I'd take MGS4, Fallout 3, Resistance 2, LittleBigPlanet, Final Fantasy XIII, White Knight Chronicles, Valkyria Chronicles, Disgaea 3, Uncharted... shall I continue?, over GoW2 any day.

Fox

@PITwelve:

Live has been completely down more than I'd like and PSN has never had a service outage. So live isn't perfect either. As far as Sony emulating MS, there is NOTHING in this industry that is original. NOTHING. So you and everyone else need to STFU about Sony stealing from MS or MS stealing from Nintendo or Sony Stealing from Nintendo. It's stupid and childish.

Sollus

Is there a army of people that scour the net for bad news for the PS3 or do you guys just start spinning all news that way?

ZombieGzuz

@B-Tizo: He's talking about the bloody 3D customizable avatars replacing the gamer pictures, you tosser.

Maldron

@Sparx: Everyone steals from Nintendo.

I think his comment was directed towards the online side of things though, where everybody is avoiding Nintendo...so I don't quite get you.

Krondonian

achievements too take much longer than 5 minutes to create in an xbox 360 game, the only difference is they are REQUIRED so every developer has to plan for them from the start.

AwShucks

@Krondonian: Yes, it's always been MS's advantage against Sony (and one of the reasons why I will never completely turn my back against the Xbox) but I can't help but see the same situation there was with the DS3 (I'm sorry if you guys are tired of the analogy, but it's the only one that stands for me). Sony never forced anyone to use vibration, just like Sony won't say no if you do an entire game based on motion controls (see Lair). But this is what separates good devs from crappy ones. Because of competition, I'm sure Trophies will be implemented in future games as it should, just like vibration. Besides, I'm very curious about something Lempel said, like they will encourage devs to implement it for future titles, showing that Sony will probably start changing their laxed attitude towards devs. If you read the threads about 2.40, you'll see 2 very distinct groups: one that is very excited and confident about the future of PSN, and another one saying "why try? PSN sucks anyways and I'd rather buy a 6th 360 than give PS3 a chance." It just entertains me to challenge the second group although I know they're trolling.

slomo788

@Sparx:

Right because a Minority Report 3d environment is totally Nintendo's idea...

If you're talking about motion control, then I'll give you that. Of course everyone is going to try and implement motion control, just look at the Wii's success. Oh wait, Sony tried that and failed, too... oops?

Anyway, the big 3 steal from each other so much that One Console to Rule Them all might not be that far off...

B-Tizo

I just want a sleep timer...

Sailorcancer

@B-Tizo:

Innovating? Oh ok, I was wondering what little code name MS had for stealing Nintendo ideas was but now I know

Sparx

Developer's thoughts: "You guys actually care about little trophies in the user interface? You all need help."

Seriously, go sign up for minor league baseball if you want to earn a trophy. The fact that people actually care about this shit boggles my mind.

mva5580

I think anyone complaining that the article is misleading isn't keeping an open mind while reading the title. Many of the best titles on the system do not currently support trophies. Some of them might be grandfathered in at some point in the future, as the article states-- and the article explains why pretty plainly. So as a system the PS3 doesn't have decent trophy support (the specific words mentioned in the title) until enough new games come out that support it, or the old games are grandfathered in. Which won't happen immediately (duh)-- so how's the title misleading? The title doesn't say anything about any games at all. It hints that for whatever reason, the PS3 isn't going to have great trophy support for a while. You guys are way, way too sensitive about this.

wild homes is weathering cephalopod trouble!

@Fox:

I resemble that comment!

B-Tizo

@PITwelve:

Well said! :D

Also, I know this is a post about trophies, so back on topic: Why, if Sony has such a better online plan than MS, are they copying MS's every move? Trophies? In game UI? Voice chat across games? All of these things that MS has had from the start are being copied by Sony. MS is still innovating, still iterating on their dashboard and the options and usability it provides the user. The 3d interface being bandied about? Sounds pretty awesome to me. Dashboard 2.0 is being worked on now while Sony is still trying to emulate Dashboard v1.

Sorry PS3 owners, but your trophies and their "satisfying sound" are just copies of the perfectly implemented system of Achievements. Have fun riding on those coattails...

B-Tizo

Trophies, like achievements, are carrots on a stick. It only feeds your hunger if you're that kind of gaming animal, or if you're starving to play something and need a meaning for it.

You could also always make achievements in games for yourself and place them in plaques to hang around your wall if there aren't any. Heck, you'd probably get bonus points for that. I mean you had to make a plaque yourself, or purchase it.

Why can't we make our own achievements in games? Perhaps they may not be worth any points but do they really matter anyway?

I don't really care for achievements in games either way. If they're available that's great. If not, then so what, it's not stopping me from playing.

kryzhal

I don't get the big deal. If you have been playing the P$3 since day one, why is it such a big deal about waiting a few months?

AngelMayLaugh

@Fitz Rhapsody: dude, that's a horrible analogy.

DigiMish

@PITwelve:

"And Gears of War 2 is better than anything you could possibly hope for on the PS3 ;)"

Yeah, that last sentence alone makes your comment null and void as being unbiased. Also, "solidly built system"? Yeah I call bullshit on that one, or perhaps you've been living under a rock the last few years?

Sparx

@B-Tizo: Eww... a dirty, smelly, fanboy troll.

Fox

I'm incredibly glad that 2.4 didn't wipe out my ps3. Yay for me.

Now, onto the topic at hand.

I don't know exactly how the trophy system works, so I can't say this for sure, but it should be as simple as attaching a small bit of code to a certain criteria tracked by the game. The harder part SHOULD be tracking the criteria. Since at least some criteria is already tracked by the games mentioned (as attested by the skill points set in Resistance), it shouldn't be all that hard to add trophies.

Then again, Sony is known for making their systems (non-portable, at least) to be quite tough to code for. That's why later game releases are always so much better for said systems, even more so than the Nintendo and Microsoft systems, which have much more intuitive interfaces.

sariah

@slomo788: Isn't the whole point of Live being good the infrastructure and Microsoft servers, which provide a uniformed service; wheras with PSN the devs have to put up their own? I'd have thought that to be more important than the extras you mentioned.

(I have neither, this is just what I assumed.)

Krondonian

@slomo788:

I didn't know I was speaking for anyone other than myself...

B-Tizo

@slomo788: Sorry but B-Tizo is right. 50 bucks a year for a solidly built system is a whole lot better than a free one. A whole lot more content and a superbly integrated interface while playing games is what you get for a very small price.
Sony can try and emulate the LIVE experience all they want but LIVE is just better.
And Gears of War 2 is better than anything you could possibly hope for on the PS3 ;)

PITwelve

This post is strange.Luke has a campaign against PSN. There is only one developer mentioned and there are people with trophies from SSHD on my friends list. Games have been announced that will support trophies and it will not be instant the switch to including the system.

jackal888

Actually Luke, I think I'm gonna take Planateer's side in this being a misleading story. Yes all studios make games. The difference is that Insomniac has already announced the title and a relative release date whereas other studios have projects we do not know about so an extra month or so won't hurt us. If R2 was still early in development then I might say this is bad on their part but as it is now its getting final touches to be pushed out the door in a few months.

"Decent Trophy Support" in this story is related to Insomniac only but by looking at the title you could infer its a problem with Sony as a whole and you're essentially calling other games shit...

Sparx

As much as i would love to see an achievements update to ratchet and clank (know the game like the back of my hand easy points). I understand that games in development at the moment take priority, Plus it gives me some time to play through resistance 1 :)
@bangbangblah: No idea, however that is an update I would love to see.

Ryuujin1024

@B-Tizo: It's NOT "so much better." It's better. For now. And no you don't get what you pay for anymore. The last update proves that you can have online gaming, trophies and in-game communication for free. The $50/yr you were paying 2 years a go for a "premium online experience" makes less and less sense now. What will you say when they allow the last 2 things that Live has over PSN (private voice chat and cross game invites)? And maybe you need to have your memory refreshed, but do you remember how many Live updates fucked up 360s (as if the hardware problems were not enough)? It happens to every system, and they will surely find a way around it. At least they're working at it instead of saying "things break." And about Gears 2, speak for yourself. I know many people are more excited about LBP than anything else this year.

slomo788

I'm not concerned about old games getting them. I just want new games that are coming out to have then from now on. That only makes sense. I mean games coming out within a month from now I wouldn't expect them to but after that they should be on every game.

Sollus

No surprise. Even though MS raised the point limit for its games, very few developers have gone back and added Achievements to account for another 250points. I sure could use more to do in Dead Rising ( @-@)

PITwelve

@B-Tizo: One problem. I don't think the issues with the update are as widespread as they seem. It's like RROD, no where near as bad as people make it out to be.

Amazon_Chris

Yepp. Apparently developers have more pressing matters to attend to. No trophies in COD4 :(
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[www.infinityward.com]

All hail Criterion!

Gjerven

GTA4 should be getting them considering how many copies it sold.

Should doesn't mean Will though.

string_theory

@Luke Plunkett: His point is that reading the title one is under the impression that games in general won't get decent Trophies, whereas the article itself is more about older titles. That's a real difference imo. Replace "Trophy" by "Dualshock 3" a few months back and you'll see why it's misleading.

slomo788

I really hope MGS4 gets them... I'm sorta waiting to go back to it until it does... If I find out they're not going to, I'll be very sad... But resistance...

bobtheduck

@dawimp523:

Wow... really? The 360's online service is so much better than the PS3s. You get what you pay for, in my opinion. And in this case free gets you an update that causes all sorts of problems and is removed asap.

Gears of War 2 and Fable 2 or Resistance 2?

I'll take Gears over any game coming out this year on the PS3. Hell, I'll take it over any game this year or next.

B-Tizo

Yes, matters that pay the bills.

Gutzman

Is this really a big deal?

As long as some old games have it and new games coming later this year and on implement it, I'm more than fine.

Take a pill of the 'chill' variety people.

sascha23

I'm pretty sure as soon as R2 ships (or if enough people get freed up) they'll get someone on trophies.

Amazon_Chris

This is actually good news. What would really piss me off is if devs actually halt development of future games to patch old games. Insomniac is right. The priority SHOULD be R2. They'll go back to older games after. And yes, we got it, it should have been in day 1. But I think all PS3 owners survived without it, and we can wait a few more weeks for new games to implement it.

slomo788

i don't mind about resistance since i plan on selling it - right now stuck at 12 trophies for stardust

shichi

As long as Fallout 3 has it I'm okay with it. I think I want it for PS3, I have oblivion for 360, and the load times are fairly lengthy. Not game ruining, but I get the feeling Fallout will benefit from blu-ray + install. And MGS4 eventually would be nice.

PoorPensive

Mi Casa es tu??

Perhaps the priority in the SCEA dept did not pan out as hoped on paper. They should have launched trophies concurrently with a major AAA title a la MGS4 or of similar caliber title. Brewing in-house testing and come out with a double whammie. I don't recall a loud outcry for achievements more then the in-game XMB. Since attachment rate has nothing to do with achievements, I don't see the emphasis on the trophies.

Unless, since Home and BP is so far off; they are scooting the trophies early in hopes that you will burn through your dust-piles and play future games in a longer session to appease the delay.

PsycheE

@bangbangblah:

I'm not sure that would be fair though. If the whole point of leveling up is to compare your level to someone else, then the best way to have a level playing field is to make all the applicable games on the same platform. I think Sony would face more wrath if they added trophy support for PSP games (going by how people look at things these days).

LittleBigPlaneteer

i downloaded the firmware around 11:30pm last night (ppl kept posting "OMG 2.40 is up") so i downloaded and then once it finished i turned off PS3. I get home from work today and i read all this crap about Sony pulling the update off. Its a bit embarassing if you ask me. I hope they fix the problem soon.

resetbutton

Does anybody even need (or care) about these trophies? IMO they're just as stupid and a pointless waste of developer resources as the 360 achievements.

GnatB

Am I the only one who... doesn't give two tiny shits about trophies? Honestly... If they're there, ok. If not? I really don't mind.

I'm not going to be wasting my time trying to unlock them.

If they get unlocked while I play? OK, fun times. If not? I don't need to jump into the senseless dick measuring contest that is "trophies" or "achievements" or whatever we end up calling it in the next generation.

2NinjasTapedTogether

@Marlor:

I know. I can pretty much guarantee that there will never be FULL Trophy support, simply because Sony added trophies a year and a half into the cycle. There's simply no reason to expect it on retroactive titles. I imagine Sony will try and coerce the bigger title devs to put them in, but that's hardly a priority. Again, I think that's a no brainer. Going forward, I do expect most (new) games to support trophies.

LittleBigPlaneteer

@bangbangblah: No.

Poisonous Taoist

Question (and I've just somehow missed this, then please excuse my ignorance): are they planning on syncing this with PSN accounts for PSP so that we can earn trophies for PSP games we play as well? I think that could be the one feature that would make this PSN trophies more exciting to me than the 360 achievements.

bangbangblah

@LittleBigPlaneteer:

Most studios will have moved on to other projects by now. I'm sure that there will be very few who have implementing trophies for their past products as a high priority.

On the bright side, future games should definitely all have trophy support.

Marlor

I think this goes along with the previous article about the updates to DoD:S. A lot of developers are so focused on their next product, that it usually leaves the idea of updates for previous works on a back-burner that barely sees any sunlight. I'm not going to pretend to know how easy it is to implement the trophy system, in fact I imagine it probably isn't the easiest thing in the world (if Sony has the same kind of overview on their trophies as Microsoft does with achievements) to implement at all.

It'd be nice to see developers take some time to start updating their back catalog, but just like adding DualShock support, it's not something we can always expect for older titles, but should expect for everything moving ahead.

nick.soapdish

@dawimp523:
I'm really hoping that achievements aren't really one of the things making you think about buying an XBox 360. What most people were getting excited about in this update was the in-game XMB access, even if it isn't as feature full as we'd like. Trophies? Who cares, to be honest. I love STEAM and I think the fact that a lot of my games have achievements is kind of idiotic.

Sammo21

Jeez... The firmware update isnt that major. A few minor detail here and there but nothing to rave about. Of course I love the trophies, but well have to wait a few months before it covers an extensive list of games.

As ive said... its only the trophies that dont work properly everything else is fine. (For me anyway, i dont know if trophies for everyone else matters much at this point)

Leepox

@YourAnthony:

sense your post does not make

LittleBigPlaneteer

@Luke Plunkett:

So isn't it obvious then that retroactive games would take a backseat to whatever they're doing now? I just don't get why this is a shocker, and/or not obvious.

LittleBigPlaneteer

@LittleBigPlaneteer:

yes everyone is out to attack you

YourAnthony

@dawimp523: Ugh, you're acting like a spoiled little child. Maybe they rushed it out, obviously there are a couple kinks they need to sort out. The great majority of us who have downloaded 2.40 have not had any problems but a very tiny percent have. Sony wants to fix it so those people won't have problems. It's not gone for good. It'll most likely be back in a couple days. Geez, overreact much? Why are you so worried anyway if you don't even have a PS3?

Fox

@LittleBigPlaneteer: Misleading? What studios ARENT working on games? That's what they do. They're studios.

Luke Plunkett

I just don't get how this is not a common sense thing. Is Insomniac's #1 focus not supposed to be making the game itself? Retroactive support will obviously come for more popular titles, and future titles will no doubt factor that into the development time.

LittleBigPlaneteer

I think the case will be different for multiplatform games, considering the amount of 360 games that are released on the PC and retain all of their achievements (Mass Effect, Condemned).

Poisonous Taoist

It's like, when Guitar Hero decided to include a full band in their next game, that was kind of "borrowing" from Rock Band, but they re-designed the drums to improve on the idea.

Sony is "borrowing" Microsoft's achievement idea and... well, just doing a really poor job of implementing it. Come on, Sony, you can do better than this!

Fitz Rhapsody

@dawimp523: They took it down due to server overload and corrupted files. No one needs a bricked system. Me? I got my update last night, works great. And yeah, everyone was hyped up about it, but that's because we are the ill-informed consumers.

CitizenInsane27

This is a misleading post I'd say. I think there's a HUGE difference between saying we won't get trophies for a while as a general statement (thus including ALL games) and saying we won't get retroactive trophies from studios working on sequels.....

I expected better here

LittleBigPlaneteer

I downloaded 2.40 this morning around 7:50am right before work. In MGS4 I zoomed from Octopus to end of Act 3 with no problems what so ever.

I did notice some lag with the In-game XMB, but everything functioned.

What problems are people having anyways, because I haven't seen a single thing all today.

Alyun

Ugh, I R tired of hearing this. Plenty of developers have acknowledged the trophy roadmap, and have vouched to it. Most of the developers are first party or have exclusive PS3 titles, but hell, even Criterion is on the boat. I'm not really worried about it, I'm more or less pissed that apparently MS has a patent that screwed us out of custom music in game. That's fuckin' bullballs. What's next MS? Can't listen to music on computers while performing other programs?

CitizenInsane27

I don't understand it...Everyone was hyped up for this update for a while, it finally comes out, & Sony takes it away from us! And we have no idea when it will come back! WTF is wrong with you Sony??!!! I was going to buy your PS3, but now I'm having second thoughts! The 360 is sounding pretty good right now, especially with the supposed price cut! Yet, I still don't want to have to pay for online play. But the PS3 has better exclusives, in my opinion! AAAHHH, I'm so torn!

dawimp523

Not a major surprise, but it does make me wonder how soon this decision was really made. You would think Sony's top developers would be given plenty of time, but that would be logical...so yeah....

Sammo21

True enough, the update isn't exactly retroactive, with past releases getting a mixed bag of updates for Trophies, but it also means when trophies are introduced to any of the past releases, there's a nice little incentive to revisit some games down the road and explore and play them differently than the first round.

I'd rather have all of them get updated, so far most of the biggies have said they'll have some Trophy love (Uncharted, Warhawk, Burnout) Just nice to see the update happen and the promises it gives over the horizon with new releases.

Jander

Meh, I didn't expect too many games to get patched really. Then again, this is just Insomniac, I'm sure other developers are working right now to get trophy patches out.

mfwahwah

This is just sad. Sony messed up not implementing the Trophy service since day one.

HaydenTenno

I really wouldn't think it would be hard to just re-configure the skill points in R&C and Resistance to Trophies. Hell, Insom could probably just give the games to Sony and Sony would be able to implement the trophy feature in there.

But in a few days I bet they'll be patched. Insomniac Games is not a frugal company.

Al2x

Glad i haven't picked up a PS3 yet. I'm gonna wait until they get all nonsense sorted out.

Ali

Oops...
Wonder how Home is coming along.

PatMan33

We will not get full trophy support ever. But i'm sure games that are coming out in September (maybe August) and on will have them.

Cartman86

At least Super Star dust HD has it and thats all Im playing besides MGS4 at the moment

CaptainFreakingAmazing

After one particular article on this subject earlier this week and reading this one I had a pretty good guess who authored it....and I was correct.

Is this news? I thought I was following the news on 2.40 pretty well and I missed the news where they created the expectation all old PS3 games would quickly, or ever, get trophy support. I thought it was geared towards future games with maybe a few, odd old games getting the treatment.

Is this par for the course on this site or is this an odd Kotakuan out of the bunch? What's the saying I'm looking for....something about an apple and a bunch...

PipTheLip

uuuggghhhh. i have a 360 and a PS3, every month we talk about something that PS3 is getting that will make it seem like my purchase was justified. so far, the only experience that was worthwhile (since buying it in January) was Metal Gear Solid.
doesn't that just suck? i mean, i always consider games that i buy to be for either platform, but at the end of the day if it's for 360 i'll pick it up for that.

360 has achievements, amazing online experience, a very large library of games that embrace both of those elements and lets not forget the 360 exclusives!

it's getting harder and harder to defend my PS3. just when you think you have something to brag about it's either half-finished, doesn't work, or the 360 has had it for years.
the PS3 wound is getting infected... throwing a used bandaid on it isn't exactly helping things

kevinl

@sirpilf: waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early to be thinking the next PS and Xbox.

There's still what, 7-8 years left out of the PS3 and maybe a little less from the 360.

DigiMish

well i would prefer they dont go back to old games to add trophies... put all resources for new games. its to bad sony didnt have this from day 1, and shows how PSN really is STILL playing catch up with live, but i think the real deal will be how sony fairs against MS next generation with PS4 and the next xbox... if sony still lags behind and copies xbox live features then that would be sad.

sirpilf

Tell you what. I'll set up some arbitrary goals for you guys to fill for all of the games you currently have. Then, when you meet them, I'll throw together a little 60x60 icon for you. Sounds like fun? I'll even throw in a rule for you to measure your e-dicks. $20 per game.

Roto13

@B-Tizo: Trolling won't get you very far on this site. Feed your urges somewhere else.

Fox

I find it interesting that every time Sony adds a feature the knee-jerk reaction from the Xbots is that Live is so much better. I agree, it is. But isn't it a bit alarming that Live and the 360 dash haven't improved at all in a VERY long time?

It's one thing to be ahead and keep working to stay ahead... it's another thing entirely to just sit there and let Sony catch up while bragging that you are still better.

crackp1pe

@LittleBigPlaneteer: I would just like as a separate trophy room or something. They could do cool things by integrating it into home.

bangbangblah

Ah Luke, back to your trolling ways I see. A very misleading headline...

Maximus9

@Krondonian: Exactly. It's just time for MS to follow Sony and let online play free. Keep the discrepancy for demos and Betas and stuff between Gold and Silver, but playing shouldn't be a "privilege." I'm anticipating this more than a $50 price cut as free online play = a price cut of $250 in 5 years.

slomo788

@Fox:

Actually, it's more fun to argue than anything, really. In truth, if the PS3 (for free) does do everything the 360 does (for 50) then MS would be forced to create/implement something to justify the price, or else just drop the fee entirely.

As far as platform parity goes, it can really only be a good thing for developers. The features will truly be cross platform. And then really the only difference would be controller style and that little Blu Ray thing, allowing developers to develop better, richer games across all platforms.

@Sollus: Agreed, but it's so much fun to stoke the fanboy fires!

B-Tizo

@AwShucks: Except Avatar. I'm pretty sure it took them less than 5 minutes to come up with Achievements for that game ;)

DigiMish

@B-Tizo: No question, they're a fairly good idea. Everybody seems to be borrowing from other sources this generation except Nintendo, who would realistically stand to benefit from it. The idiots.

It could also be argued that Xbox originals are also a copy of the Wii's VC and the PS3's PSClassics. They're genuinely good ideas that're getting taken and added in, and it only speaks to the benefit of the average consumer than the unimaginativeness of any one developer.

Maldron

@B-Tizo:

Its not exactly stealing when both systems came out around the same time and use it in two completely different ways. Implimenting the feature a year or two down the line however, is

Sparx

@B-Tizo: Oh how convenient. So now that Sony is giving PS3 owners the things you've been bragging about for 2 years now you're relying on the old "they're copying us!" As a 360 owner I would be extremely happy if MS would copy Sony and make online free, or allow mods and user-created content. Wow you guys are getting a Minority Report Dashboard? Sick! We're just getting Home where we'll be able to meet random people more easily and share content with them like in the real world. For free. But yeah, I suppose it will be extremely fun to waggle through blades with the Wii-mote copy. In fact, I could do that all day long.

slomo788

@Maldron: Good point

immikeulate

@InsidiousTuna: "whenever it comes back, anyway. "probably turn out to be a success." Having it be sad "for us."

Yesterday @[kotaku.com] , commenting that Sony's "only integrating trophies now."

It exists, at least from where I'm standing, Tuna. And really, as this is a blog site and Luke's a good guy, it's easy to let go. But it's still bloody there. A condescending tone that seems to appear only on the posts he makes that concern Sony.

Maldron

@kevinl: Good point.

PITwelve

No surprise, I swear to god I'm going to hate the next year when these Trophy whores are going to say "noob" or "I've got more than you, whatcha gonna do about that?"

"You have no life my friend, (possibly fat too)..." ^_^

Anyway, I don't mind getting trophies for games that I like or when I have time. It's no surprise that some games aren't going to support it, so for now..

Have fun!--?

ultimate920

@Fox:Yes please do continue as it takes you 10 of your PS3 games to equal one of mine ;)
@Sparx: bias? yes maybe, but not without good reason. Please tell me what PS3 game`s online numbers even come close to Gears or Halo3. Oh right CoD4, but I have thats out for 360 as well so. . .

PITwelve

Hmm... Aall this "bias" you guys are talking about... I'm not sure it exists. I say everyone needs to quit whining about journalistic integrity on a blog.

InsidiousTuna (Thunder McAwesome Christ)

@B-Tizo:

Did you forget Microsoft Avatars which appear to be a copy of Miis. or perhaps Microsoft Lips which is a rip-off of Sony's Singstar? Yeah real innovators my ass.

The point is, everyone copies everyone. That's how it is and that's how it's going to be. You think the 360 controller would look like it did without the Dreamcast? You think Microsoft wouldn't be trying to acquire JRPG's to emulate the PS2's success? Sony is giving consumers what they want (well what they whined for). And Microsoft is doing something similar. There's no reason to single Sony out here.

LittleBigPlaneteer

@PipTheLip: It's just Luke. His writing style is like that, and it appears that he has something of an anti-sony slant. Being that he's a human person and this is a blog site, I let it go by writing angry posts and then not posting them.

I just figure so long as his bias is so easy to read, why try to be angry at him for it? It still sparks interesting enough discussions.

Maldron

@Maldron:
Even more so!

B-Tizo

@B-Tizo: Are you as ugly as you are stupid? Or did you just intentionally skip the part where I said this is a blog site and Luke's a good guy?

Seriously. If you're going to troll, do it somewhere else. Some people also visit the site for the potentially intelligent discussions that get fostered in the comments section, and you're dumbing it down to an unacceptable level.

Maldron

@Maldron:

Blog = Opinion, Speculation, Rumor, and... gasp! Bias!

Keep on keeping on Luke (and Kotaku). It's the opinions and wit of the writers that I read this site.

B-Tizo

i've read through most of this thread and i'm happy to not be in it. all i know is this:

1. trophies are working fine for me. nothing that i'm going to to stress myself out trying to get every one, but cool that it's there.

2. the trophy system isn't going to work the same as XBL, so comparing the two isn't going to accomplish much other then fanboys beating their chest, screaming "my system is better then your system" which, as you could imagine is really annoying to read for 100+ comments.

3. there sure are alot of new kids on here, and from reading most of the posts, i'd say they were coming from 1up.com's message boards.

whatever. i'm elbows deep in Super Stardust HD trophies.

jfx316

@PITwelve: Warhawk. Now please. Just shut the hell up. It is without good reason ps3 finished playing "catch up" a LONG time ago in the games department. Nothing the 360 has even compares to Heavenly Sword and Mgs4 in how well done and cinematic they are. Sony's the only one that's hit that nitch and who has ever done it besides a select few other old games from the snes and genesis era. Mass effect doesn't fall into that category most of it isn't nearly as well put together while it's a very good game it doesn't tell a story as good. If you want to provide a meaningful arguement rather than being a troll feel free to leave me a message and i'll shoot it all down. I own a 360 i don't play online very often because i like good single player games but i have one. The blades=CLUNKY. Signing up for stuff? A pain in the ass. Logging into an account on a friends 360. Another pain in the ass. It has issues. Suck it and shut up

NessD12

Heh, my PS3 is updated to 2.4, it works fine and I'm still able to logon to PSN. Hopefully they get it back up there soon.

As for the topic at hand, I'm not surprised. I'm also fairly certain the only games we'll see updated with trophies are those with on-going work (Burnout Paradise/Warhawk, already announced) and which already have their own in-game achievements.

Replica23

@NessD12: logging in on a friend s 360. . . hmm dont think I need to worry about that when I can just play with them from my living room ;)

PITwelve

@NessD12:Ooh, someone got tender. Ok so you have your Warhawk, amazing. But dont even begin to tell me that Heavenly Sword is a great game, way to short and way to easy. Having played MGS games before, I fully believe MGS4 is a good game, but spare me the "cinematics" garbage. If I wanted to cry while watching a game I,...wouldnt have purchased a game. On another note, I cant begin to believe you think the story in Mass Effect isnt any good, so what did you think of KOTOR? You own a 360 and you dont play it? Do you just keep it so you can pull the "I own `em both card"?

PITwelve

Come on, folks, think.

- A game that shipped six months ago is code that shipped 7 months ago.
- New games will have been built on the shattered pieces of that game within days.
- The QA staff have moved on, and are QAing a different game. You'll need to retrain.
- You'll have to try and dig out all of the documentation needed by QA to do a new QA cycle.
- You've got to get your toolchain back into the state it was in then; compilers may have changed.
- Now you've got to actually make the change, with a group of people who may have built that subsystem well over a year ago. In a business that doesn't take unit testing seriously.
- Now go through a new QA cycle, with new documentation, on a new feature backed by a new SDK. Test something that has a service dependency whose faults may be difficult to inject into the testing process.

I can see this not being easy to retrofit. Any developer should.

gblock

@NessD12:

>.>

While MGS4 was quite amazing, I thought Heavenly Sword was a complete disaster (and quite possibly the first game I have *ever* thrown away). The rest of the comments are really neither here nor there...

As to the topic, I'm not entirely sure the lack of available for trophies is a bad thing... I for one was somewhat happy without them... sure "achievements" have their benefits (often revealing things I wouldn't be apt to try otherwise), but on the other hand since "the other console" gives no control over this tracking... well I really don't care much for being reminded of "that" game that I really didn't have any fun playing.

Oh well, I'm still of the mindset that I could really care less for all these not-so-necessary features, and more about getting some other quality titles on my shelf (MGS4 and GTA5P are feeling pretty lonely).

domain

@NessD12: You just won a follower.

slomo788

HEY UBISOFT! patch assassin's creed so there is a point to collecting all those god damned flags! kthnxbye

subterfunk

@NessD12: well said. all those fanboys should keep quiet 360 has alot of problems as well.

Oh yeah paying $50 is useless its da same shit. I dont even go online with my 360 and i have every hot game out there for da 360 ( i only play rock band)

WHO cares about achievements and trophies they suck. I hated it on da 360. The only thing that was good was the fect that u can play ure own music while playing a game.

And really resistance was horrible for me it was like perfect dark zero for the 360 (over hyped) i don't give a damn about R2.

oh yea just to add all u 360 fanboys my best friend has gone 8 360s cause of the hardware problems

blackpanther25

@gblock: You are one of the most reasonable people I see here. May your post shine as the logic that makes everybody understand.

Maldron

Hasn't been a while already ?

Interstella

@mind in rewind: I do. Doesn't matter to me much, though. Not sure why this is becoming a thing.

As far as what you're missing, the topic says it'll be a while until we get a majority of trophy support, but the article only lists Insomniac saying that they won't be adding it back to two previous titles. Just reading the topic, it sounds like future titles won't be integrating trophies into their development for a while. If the article read "Insomniac concentrating on future titles instead of trophies," it wouldn't be nearly as misleading. Though he takes some valid interpretations from what Insomniac is saying, the topic leads to believe that trophies won't be integrated into future titles, not that this is a backwards-looking issue.

Maldron

@Mr.SithNinja:LOL now thats a good point, lets take a look at the list of stolen ideas. . .

PITwelve

@PITwelve: Well said.

@subterfunk: You couldn't possibly be more right.

I guess it is too much to ask to try to read an article about the 360 or PS3 without seeing the modern day Hatfeilds and McCoys getting into their obligatory turf wars.

I do find it extremely ironic; however, for Microsoft fanboys to be bitching about somebody COPYING OR STEALING IDEAS!!!!

Mr.SithNinja

Well, if Sony's special friend Insomniac won't do it, then you definitely know no one else will.

GogolGants

@blackpanther25:your friend must have been a truly horrible person in a previous life

PITwelve

@Maldron: I don't read it as condescending. Luke's post tend to have a sarcastic vibe, regardless of topic. Even reading your examples, I'm just not seeing any bias.

mind in rewind

@InsidiousTuna (Thunder McAwesome Christ): Agreed. I'm not sure how people are seeing a misleading title. What am I missing?

mind in rewind

@Maldron: Ah, I see what you're saying now, and I see how you could have read it that way. I'm glad you explained, because I interpreted it differently (in theory, how the title was intended). I just assumed it was referring to prior releases, since most future titles will have Trophy support.

mind in rewind

@kevinl: I am in the same position. Have both consoles, but I buy all multiplatform titles on the Xbox 360 because of the incredible Live experience and achievements(it's a fun metagame for me, to each his own).

With PSN I barely register that I am online and the exclusive games that are multiplayer I am not that interested in. Bought Warhawk and found it mediocre. There are some gems there that I heartily recommend like Uncharted, Ratchet and Clank, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, and Metal Gear Solid 4, but besides those few games the only thing I can brag about now regarding my PS3 is its excellent Blu-ray drive and how it upscales DVDs well to Full HD.

With the 360 I am always risking the horrid sinking feeling of having an RRoD(have had one already), but the benefits outweigh it considerably, especially when I feel the PS3 experience isn't quite there for me to switch properly over. I even rarely play PS3 games on it anymore, mostly old PSOne games(because of the upscaling and if Sony hadn't taken out BC in Europe I'd be playing my PS2 games on it as well *angry face*).

PixelRambo

@subterfunk: Excellent point. Assassin's Creed's flags are the weirdest thing, even made more pointless on platforms that don'd(or didn't) have achievement type systems, such as the PC and PS3 version.

I mean, collecting those damn flags should have rewarded you with a new costume, production artwork, or perhaps new models. In their current state their only purpose is on the 360 due to the achievements they give and even then it is too much hassle for lousy 10 points or so.

PixelRambo

Anyone that thinks Microsoft charging $50 a year for their mediocre service is justified, should grab the closest gun they can find and end their misery. That is all.

Libo

I haven't had any problems with my ps3 loading with 2.40 installed. It hasn't asked my to revert my update or anything, neither have any of my friends had problems. Wierd. As for Insomniac, these guys are like the craziest quick dev's in the western world. My guess is that they're version of "longer than five minutes" is most likely much shorter than ours.

Lorse

People are buying the SSHD add-ons JUST FOR THE TROPHIES. Adding trophies to old games will breathe new life into them.

Denalin

@PixelRambo:

Strangly, I have the opposite. I don't play as much on my 360 anymore. But the PS3 however, it's becoming my main console.

Perhaps it's because I love the games that are on the PS3 than 360.

The Defiant One

@PixelRambo: the same applies to GTAIV as well. There is no point collecting or completing various tasks on the PS3 since there is absolutely no indication or reward for doing so. At least in other GTA games your safe house would get some new decoration but not this time.

Look through 50 binoculars? Why? It's just a pointless number in your stats.

ArcaneDevice

Another mis-leading and biased PS3 post by Luke...

*sigh*

Luke, please, with all due respect, I ask you to just stop "reporting" PS3-related news. It has become increasingly evident that you have a bias against the platform.

I don't know what your problem is, why you dislike it, etc., but it's very annoying to constantly see such a one-sided, hate-filled, view from you.

I respectfully ask Brian, the managing editor, to delegate the responsibility to someone else, someone who can report PS3 news without any sort of bias.

F

tanhaauser

@B-Tizo:

I think you fail to see the whole picture Tizo.

It's one thing to have an opinion when it comes to a certain story/subject, and an entirely different thing to _always_ have a condescending tone whenever you post about a particular subject.

In this case, it has become _very_ evident that this person, Luke Plunkett, has a clear bias against the PS3.

Now, if we were talking about a second-rate gaming blog, then I definitely would not bother to complain about this, but we're talking about one of the premier gaming blogs on the net. This sort of bias and condescending tone has no business in this site.

Again, I repeat, it's ok to be witty, to have an opinion, to be funny, but it is not ok have someone who is biased against a platform report news about said platform, especially in a site as important as kotaku.

F

tanhaauser

So one developer decides to postpone a trophies patch and we (and by we I mean 'Kotaku 360') infer that this somehow applies to every single other developer and publisher that has released a game on the PS3.

Interesting.

Clearly not all games will get trophies, nor will it happen overnight, but I think we may be jumping to conclusions here.

Cigol

I love how you guys infer bias against the PS3 in this post when there is NOTHING in there whatsoever to think that is the case.

It's YOU people who have the bias, because you've chosen one system or another to be a fanboy for, therefore you see anything posted as bias against the system unless it says something like "I love the PS3 and have sex with it every night."

You all need to grow up, seriously.

mva5580

People at sony should get permision to add the trophies them selves from the game companies. should be a small group of programmers working on updates for all the games. ... whatevet. lol

Stikasasn

I wonder how many people downloaded stardust just for the silly little trophy thingy.

It might be worth the developers while... then again it might not.

I think people are being far too impatient...
"please release it, now now now."
"oh wait, nothings supported."
"i want it supported, now now now!"

Patience people.

drmcscott

@PixelRambo: i'm glad we agree. i feel like owning both is a good way to rationally judge the two consoles.
you don't HAVE to own both to be mature about it but it makes it easier. 360 owners and PS3 owners have to learn to be mature about the console war. i basically just bought maturity for $399 and $499, respectively.

kevinl

-_- Should've let 360 keep their crappy achievements. I'll be damned if I start playing games I don't like just to extend my epeen. And anyone saying they're purposely not playing their ps3 games purely because they don't have trophies yet is just.. ugh

CockneyKaiser