motion controls are great in situations where it makes sense like sword play and shooting games, if the rest of the controls are done right. but i dont wanna be using motion controls in my RTS or RPG it would feel very out of place.

stryker1800

@malmario: Exactly. It's overlooked that motion control isn't what makes (or made/has potential to make, depending on who you ask) the Wii great, it's the pointer.

I wish Sony and Microsoft would copy that. I'd be happy to welcome that as a new standard. I'd like to keep buttons instead of waggle, though.

karasu is my homeboy

Like always, Nintendo invests in innovation, the other companies rip off their ideas half a generation later.

Only this time, Nintendo actually made a fair amount of money so... hurray for technological innovation (even if it's copied from others)!

lumpi

@dynendal: Not necessarily - The Dualshock was accepted in its own right, even though it wasn't the first with analog sticks. Sixaxis motion control...not so much. It really depends on how well planned out the controller is for the games developers want to build.

MysidianMan

The motion control is ok, I like the wii mote more for the pointer function. When Motion control is used in supplement to buttons it plays better, like No More Heroes.

malmario

Yeah, but if they even try to follow them, NINTENDO WINS. Don't you see that they've set up the biggest bitch slap this generation?

dynendal

Oh hell yes.

Just imagine the possibilities.

PROPER swordplay in games. Urgh. I'm a trained actor and the whole swordplay thing was a skill I haven't used since we staged Romeo and Juliet.

RIPOSTE!

Doubting fanboys really should watch the video released by the company the other week. Realise that the wii is actually going to do all that was promised. The word "waggle" will become extinct on these forums when referring to the console.

And anyone who thinks microsoft would endorse a controller such as the wii's is off their minds on crack. Sony proved their stupidity and market ignorance with their own pathetic attempt.

My 360 does gaming the way I like it to already. My wii does the same.

Therefore no more motion control in consoles necessary, kthxbi.

squishyfishy

unless it can perfectly represent my movement in 3d this wii motion plus is all hokum.

SO in eth meanwhile

I suggest Nintendo focus on a game called "Perturbed man" or Nosy Neighbor" in which you walk around town wagging your finger at other characters you don't enjoy or are annoyed with. Since that is the motion the wii mote has got down pat.

UncleAndross

Well, there are a lot of PC controllers with motion control showing up now..

And I'm sure next generation of consoles will all have this kind of thing.. but I don't see new controllers for the PS3 or 360 now..

CockroachMan

So... The nunchucku still has to be plugged into it? If so... whats the point? Being a non-Wii owner wouldn't it make more sense to wait for a new Wii sku with motionplus included/integrated?

dadeisvenm

So the Motion plus tech is a lot better than the wii remote?

I wonder how much of each technology is used in the final 1:1 output they have achieved. Could you simply put it into a 360/PS3 pad and have it work as well?

Astrofox

nope, not one for motion controls still to this day the only games i see are doing it right are bowling and ratchet and clank because its used so little only where it makes sense, wii Sports was pretty good too - if a little bit iffy. but most of the time I'd use the "old fashioned" button pushing any day.
I could never understand motion controls IMHO in many games it makes controls FAR more complicated.

Ryuujin1024

That's good, now we won't see Nintendo getting sued in 3 years over this controller.

Firemane

Wait- does their Facebook say they're in an open relationship? Because it's not official until that happens.

InsidiousTuna

aha! Could be really useful for PC gaming!

excel_excel

@trogam: I see this as a potential failure and in no way an additional way to print money.

Fact: a lot of Wii owners aren't tradititional gamers and are entertained with Wii Sports and Carnival Games.

I've seen Gamestop employees reach frustration while trying to explain to mothers why standalone games like Mario Kart are worth a purchase over Wii Play or Ninja Games. "This has 10 games, that's only one racing game...why would I want that one?" They don't understand the concept of minigame compilations.

Selling them on the motion+ is going to be a lot of fun for Nintendo. "Buy motion+! It makes your controller sense motion better!" It already does that, they'll think, and I doubt the majority of Wii gamers will bite.

karasu is my homeboy

hmmm, it appears this thread will need a shave :)
Of course, any company wanting a deal with this company would need a contract for a whole new device.

ZinkO: Look Into His Eyes

Im not for motion controls at all.

Refused

360 wagglemote confirmed.

VishusBurn

I'm hoping some developer uses this gimmick to make "shovelware:the game" in which you mimic shoveling through manure and poor game titles trying to find ones worth playing

Minigote

hmm...i wonder how gears would be with 1:1.....

bigman88zz

I still view this as another way for Nintendo to print money. And unless they started to offer built in versions pretty soon, I'd be hard pressed to even considering buying it. No maybe if they released a decent sword fighting/light saber game then maybe I'd be willing to fork out the cash. But even then, only if they come cheap. I Don't see any reason to fork out another 10 or so bucks for this thing. And adding it into the cost of the Wii-Mote+Nunchuck, thats like 70 per control if I'm not mistaken? (40 for controller + 20 for nunchuck)

trogam

Oh gosh no... motion control = the suck.

GnatB

im pretty sure the tech was available before the motion plus nintendo is just stupid and didnt include it in the original system...of course at the time it is possible that the tech wasnt shrinked enough to make it cost efficient.

stryker1800

Begun, this waggle war has.

MysidianMan

This is probably about PC gaming more than anything else.

I pray I am correct.

karasu is my homeboy

Now it's just a race to see which console will have the first 1:1 lightsaber game.
Then, it will win.
It will win hard.

SpiritBoy

I think sony's Dualshock 3/ sixaxis is more than just exploration :) (although I would never go so far as to call it a success).

Methusalah

@JokesJokes: I actually did forget that. So half the battle is over, getting the casual people to buy it. Thanks for reminding me.

Not as big of a problem as I thought it was then.

karasu is my homeboy

@Ryumeka: I think next gen is going to see atleast 2 out of the 3 companies using I/R and motion devices as their main conrtoller, and the other will probably have an optional controller to do the same thing.

JokesJokes

I don't think the other competitors even need fancy motion controllers to keep a strong stake in the game market... I mean, no doubt it would maybe help a bit, but they can worry about it next console generation. Right now they don't need to add a fancy motion attachment to the PS3 or 360 to make them more successful.

Dark_Mirage

Waggle = Tennis elbow

Before motion plus you could at least barely move the controller to get the same effect, now it sounds like you will actually have to move.. And for us old gamers that have joint pain, this equals fail!! ;)

And for parents with wild four year olds, this equals broken crap. But really you get that already.

Talryyn

@karasu is my homeboy: Did you forget it's packaged with wii sports 2, the ultimate casual game? It'll sell, just like wii fit did. I have people asking me about that one all the time, and I don't even work in a store well known for its electronics! (SEARS FTW by the way). And it'll probably sell at least 2 for each adopter. Who wants to play the swordfighting minigame all by their lonesome? It'll sell BIG time.

JokesJokes

A lot of 360 games would do good with a motion remote (more specifically infra-red)

The problem I find with Wii games is they lack substance. But the games I enjoy more on 360 appear to have deeper gameplay. So adding IR to that would be awesome.

Ryumeka

Everyone knows open relationships equalsign syphilis. I can't say I'm excited about Wii Motion Plus at all. So few games used the motion control well at all to begin with, and in virtually none of those cases did I find myself thinking, if only this game had 1:1 control it would be awesome.

wild homes isn't anything!

Man, it must be hard having a surname like Virginia.

Also, unangbangkay, the thing is that all companies are currently doing that. Rumble should be in the ps3's controller from the start. HDD should be in wii from the start. heck, don't even get me started on xbox.

Fact remains that we as consumers should not buy incomplete products, but we do. I know I did; a lot.

PsyComa

I'm still just a little incensed that it takes yet another peripheral to make the Wii the product we bought the damn thing for in the first place. That seems to be where Nintendo's really printing the money. Wii, 4 'motes, nunchucks, classic controller, VC, and eventually, some kind of Wii HDD.

unangbangkay

@Agnates: Not really lol...

BrotherNick

I keep hoping the Revolution is still coming... and this Wii bullshit is just helping them make money so they can make something for GAMERS.

Jabbertrack

@MysidianMan: LMAO. That sure made my day! :)

Mike's Stalker

They never said it's gaming companies which are interested by the way...

Agnates

Also, funny, yet another near unrelated topic ends up being about how much Nintendo suck...

Agnates

Hopefully MotionPlus Creators will use their open relationship to the advantage, and test which console will be a better partner.

BrotherNick

But motionplus allows for the 1:1 movement approximation when used in conjuction with the wiimote's existing sensors, or so I thought. I mean, if all it took is a single gyroscope, I'm sure some company would have done it long before this, I'm fairly certain gyroscopes were widely used for various things, someone would have figured this out sooner. The gyroscope basically allows rotation, right? In, for example, a sword game, you don't just rotate a sword, you also swing it, thus you need more than the gyroscope, right?

So they'd need to build something with more than the gyroscope inside it, right? The gyroscope only takes them halfway there. Though I guess they could also just use accelerometers, put a few more of them, or higher quality and be all like "SEE? WE HAVE THE BEST MOTION TECH NOW, BUY US!" ha... It would still be sorta lame and underused, it works for Nintendo because motion is what the whole system is about, even if motionplus is not available out of the box (yet).

Agnates

@MysidianMan: LOL

Gray665

If the 360 and the PS3 get versions of a Wii-style motion controller, at least it will be a niche controller, like a light-gun, instead of the primary imput device. So not every game will have waggle crammed into it... at least, I hope not.

@MysidianMan: You do know that the Nintendo didn't have the first console with an analog stick either, right? The Vectrex and Atari 5200 had them in the early 80's.

Shifty_Pete

@Methusalah: Nop, it's just exploration... One they did back in the turn of the millenium... On PS1... The Wiimote is more complex, but it should be... It came later.

The sixaxis isn't a wii-mote clone by any means... It's a controller with Tilt, which has been around for a while.

bobtheduck

@bigman88zz: ...with motion controls built into the lancer from the amazon.com bundle!

hagridore

@kw4k: left joystick has 2 axes, right joystick has 2 axes, and tilt control has 2 axes. That's 6.

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

@ZinkO: Look Into His Eyes: indeed, wh r 's th t r z r?

i'm a bit confused regarding the article. they mention "six degrees of freedom", but is this not what the sixaxis already does? my ill-informed arse does not compute

kw4k

@dowingba:

I'm more... praying it does.

It's pathetically stupid :P

squishyfishy

@unangbangkay: I know it's crazy it's like everyone's following Jiisus to the promised land. :)

hollowfreak

@squishyfishy: Are you joking or do you really think this optional thing will somehow make waggle go away?

dowingba

As long as motion control doesn't become the new standard, I'm alright! I don't hate the Wii or anything, but one's enough.

Wolfers

@karasu is my homeboy:

Pointer device has been "the standard" for quite some time now. It's called a mouse. And it works WAY better than the wiimote for all sorts of things.

GnatB

@GnatB:

Yeah and it's been out WAY longer than the Wiimote. That's like saying we don't need SS HDDs because the HDDs we have now have WAY more space. Great job genius, saying a new technology is inferior because the preceding technology that has been out for decades is a little more feature-rich is truly ignorant.

NeoAkira

I wonder if this has anything to do with the recent lawsuits against Nintendo and others for patent infringement. If someone decides to file suit against the Wii Motion Plus, would they be suing InvenSense or Nintendo?

pjizzle

@Wolfers: I think motion control is here to stay. After all, you don't really envision playing true vertual reality games with button mashing, do you?

EmeraldDragon

Now if only Nintendo would have an open relationship with it's 3rd party developers.

I have a dream where shovelware is a thing of the past.

JAcK0R

The mind boggles at what the porn industry will do with this.

Quilt

What I don't understand, is why the wii-mote wasn't like this in the first place?

Sure I haven't played wii more then 5-6 hours, but I don't understand, what this does new...?

GodKiller0

@GodKiller0: 6 months ago MEMS Gyroscopes cost $30 a piece in bulk.

Torgen got his apology faceplate but not his fixed GH3 disc

@GodKiller0: Its the patents, Nintendo couldn't really make a complete wii-mote until they had a fully licensed way of doing so.

Nintendo would have liked to make the motion+ tech exclusive to them but the truth is InvenSense see the profitability in going multi-platform and are wanting that "it prints monies!!" slogan on their tech.
But this is just what i think in no way is this the truth.

Dirame

Man, people get so hung up on swords and lightsabers when it comes to this discussion, when what the MotionPlus means to me is that the Wii could now have the best console RTS controls ever. You could draw accurate bounding boxes for unit selection, and make use of a more complex PC like interface.

That was one of the things that excited me about the Revolution in the first place, and I always wondered why no one has made a concerted push to get a big RTS title on the Wii (pretty sure I haven't missed one). Maybe it was about controller precision?

hardlylikely

Sigh...

Once again, the Wii haters come out with another "slogan of the month".

First it was "it's for kids", then "it's just fad", then "it's just waggle", then "it's all this shovelware", then "it's been sitting and collecting dust but I'm too stupid to not sell it", now it's "This should be what the Wii should've been...."

keiichimorisato

I think Sony's gonna make the sixaxis stop sucking with the Sony Motionplus 6000.

Metal_Slug_Solid

@GnatB: It's also not the standard on console gaming. So, I stand by my [uncorrected-by-you] comment.

karasu is my homeboy

Lightsaber Hero will own Guitar Hero even moreso than Banjo Hero.

I have spoken.

blisteringbarnaclesandthunderingtyphoons

@hardlylikely: Do you not have a Wii? The IR pointer is what you'd use for such a game, the motionplus does nothing to enhance that particular aspect, because it doesn't need enhancing, it works perfectly fine as it is. People don't make a RTS because they fall for this "aw casual gamers don't care about such games" trap that the whole internet is mistakenly buzzing with.

Sure casual games get the most sales, but casual games get the most sales on every system, it started with the likes of Fifa all those years back, continued with stupid dance and music games nowadays. Proper games still can sell tons on the Wii and thankfully people are slowly realising it and we see more and more exclusive serious titles announced by respected developers all the time.

Agnates

@Agnates: I do have a Wii, but my setup must suck, because the IR could use a little improvement imo. Not that it's unusable, it's just never quite had the right feel for my liking. Maybe I'm too used to high res mice, who knows.

My hazy notion was of using the MotionPlus data to increase the sensitivity and responsiveness of the onscreen pointer. No idea if that would be feasible or worthwhile though.

hardlylikely

The pointer works via the infrared lights, the IR pointer and the Sensor Bar that is. It really works as intended. Try recalibrating or better positioning your sensor bar, perhaps below the TV instead of above if that would bring it to a better related height to your hands during gaming.

I'm also using a good laser mouse on my PC but I don't notice any awkward performance with my Wiimote and I don't see how it could be any more sensitive since it catches even the slightest movement. Only test it in things like the Wii menus or the game Lost Winds. It lags in Twilight Princess (and possibly other games I haven't played) but that's a fault of the game rather than any Wiimote shortcomings.

Agnates

they should make a star wars lightsaber game with motionplus use of course

rob61920

<2cents>
I'm excited about this - it looks like there could be some great applications - and what of backwards compatibility? As in, can I play Beer Pon- I mean, Pong Toss, with better accuracy to my throws? Would Tiger '07 feel like slightly less of a waste? (we skipped '08 in hopes that '09 will be, you know, done right). And, as far as games my room mates and I play, we just use 4 wii motes (two of which were goodwill/yard sale/wtf?!), one 'chuck and a gamecube controller. There is almost no point to the "Classic," since classic for me is the sideways wiimote - just get a used gamecube controller or wavebird, if you can find 'em.
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megsuma

No backwards compatibility unless they decide worthy to provide a patch for some of those titles. The gyroscope sends additional motion data older games aren't programmed to take advantage of. I doubt we'll see patches also, probably just a sequel instead, ha...

But yes, I'm pretty excited also. Just like Sony did good by replacing their original controller on the PlayStation with the first Dual Shock, Nintendo are doing good by introducing this, it's for the better of everyone and it won't really be expensive. I mostly see single or 2 player games taking advantage of this, so you'll usually need 2 MotionPlus at most. Friends can buy their own and bring them to your place when feeling like mixing it up also.

Agnates

Motion control tech is going to get a giant push forward. That's good news. I'm still peeved that I'm going to have to pay extra for full motion control from Nintendo. I guess I'm worried that I'll see a bunch of waggle games everywhere.

Ryodestined