@Jestersage: No, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not ripping on Guitar Hero On Tour-- I haven't played it and it could well be awesome. I was just teasing about Activision's inability to allow any time at all to pass between Guitar Hero products. It's getting incredibly oversaturated. Like a new game every six months. I'm beyond burned out on it all.

wild homes loves you but chooses darkness!

@MINIBOSS: On a side note, I can't believe you are telling me hot for teacher is overchart. That looks just about right... unless you can point me to the official drumcharts.

Jestersage

@MINIBOSS: By playing drums like my friend do. when me and my friend cover Paranoid (on real stuff), my friend become too eager to play with the toms and all cymbals.

That also a good reason NOT to let a friend who's previous experience music are fruity loops and drummania to be your drummer. At least he got the BPM right.

I am beginning to think that it's not Neversoft have no idea how to make music games. They do: they probably just hired all those people from ROXOR (famous for In The groove) and chart them according to the preference of "bemani elitist".

Jestersage

"They can pick up the standalone version of World Tour and use those instruments, and when they break they can buy ours."

Still doesnt fix your shitty notecharts neversoft, the notecharts for both guitar and DRUMS (how the hell do you overchart drums?) on the hot for the teacher video are abysmal.

@mizzle: please learn to play real guitar before you comment on gh3's accurate note charts, i love playing 3 note chords on no chord notes, bass, rythem, and lead at the same time in real life, i really do.

@mizzle: they didnt dumb it down, they made it accurate, not every guitar song you play is a clusterfuck of chords and hidden notes.

MINIBOSS

@wild homes loves you but chooses darkness!: You are making the fact that GH on DS is a bad idea itself. My only issue with GH-DS is that the song track... suck. More like not enough songs. But hey, DS can only be yay-big, so I blame Ninty for that.

Jestersage

@EmpressInYellow: Show me which part, if you so "noticed". I have recently found out plenty of the songs on real guitar is much more difficult to play because on the official chart they do open notes every alternate notes, and so I ended up simplifying it.

Jestersage

They're pushing innovation this year. And next March, they're pushing Guitar Hero: Metallica. And next June, they're pushing some decal packs for your drum kit. And next June they're pushing Guitar Hero On Tour 2 for the DS. And next September they're pushing Guitar Hero: Tony Hawk's iPod Playlist Edition, also for the DS. And next November they're pushing Guitar Hero World Tour 2...

I could do with Activision and Neversoft pushing a bit less.

wild homes loves you but chooses darkness!

guitar hero is still corny
gotta give the edge to RB in every way shape and form based on that

BauerStyle

@mizzle: Really? My experience has been that Guitar Hero (or, well GH 3 and onward) tends to toss in notes that aren't actually there, particularly with keyboard/bass/organ parts.

Rock Band -usually- shies away from this (though they've done it too, on one or two occasions), which I sort of prefer. I mean, of COURSE the song is going to be harder if you're now playing basically every instrument except for drums.

EmpressInYellow

I can honestly say there at least 50% of the rock band boards has more professionalism then Bright.

Gatorguy91

@libregkd: I can agree with that. One thing I noticed was that in the GH franchise, on expert you are hitting everything in the song. In RB they do seem to leave out some of the notes. I would sometimes get pissed at a song in guitar hero until I listened to it and realized "well, they are playing it, i am on expert, man up and play".

@Jestersage: Yeah man Ive noticed that too.

mizzle

@Telly_Vision:
That's EA's department, not Harmonix.

SpishackCola

Rock Band was so far and away better than GH3, that I have a hard time believing a GH:WT will be able to overcome any improvements made in Rock Band 2.

Ubersoldat19

Hipocrisy much? Les Paul detachable neck failures?

At least Harmonix has a warranty program worth something.

HeyApples

Sorry, until Ghostbusters finds a publisher, I'm not buying a single Activision product. Pass plz.

Ashkihyena

Brian Bright is correct - they're actually bringing it...out to all countries. Maybe Harmonix could figure out how to do that by the time Rock Band 4 comes out.

Telly_Vision

@karasu is my homeboy:

Agreed. I prefer the rock band guitar in absolutely every way.

akashhhhh

lawls @Ad-hominem You either work for HMX or you know someone who does.

"Oh noes he said our shitty drums are shitty!"

Kewk

Is it just me or do people now-a-days like to PASS OF THEIR OWN OPINIONS AS FACTS? Just because its your own opinion it doesn't mean its a fact, all of you really need to realize this. Please, don't come and litter the comments section with biased bullsht about one thing and glorify another. Don't like the game? Fine, just keep it to yourself or try not to spread your bullsht to other people.

Lawl01

You know, it'd be nice if they could promote the game WITHOUT insulting the people who built the franchise they're milking in the first place.

EmpressInYellow

I just hope to GOD that they don't make the necks detachable this time. The les paul was awesome except for that one feature.

arazzor

@mizzle: Well said!

And ironically those guys call themselves hardcore players and laugh at nintendo... while they themselves are playign causal music games difficulty. Pot calling kettle black much?

Jestersage

"They can pick up the standalone version of World Tour and use those instruments, and when they break they can buy ours."

Like the Les Paul with the detachable Neck that was OH-SO-RELIABLE?

Gatorguy91

@MechaTama31: I think between then and now they realized that they have a snowball's chance in hell of most Rock Band owners picking up a second drum set and 2 more guitars, and as of this moment, Rock Band has 100% of the "complete band game" market. GH3's already doing well enough on its own.

Kyattsuai

@NeoAkira:

*They are

NeoAkira

GH: WT looks whack! So many new features and the song creation mode, plus GH tunes, plus Miifreeplay mode. RB2 looks to be great, but GH4 just has too many cool features to be overlooked!

pikachumariachi

@Ad-hominem:

Lol, your post was the most melo-dramatic I've read in a while. Anyways everything you've said as "proof" that GHIII and GHWT are worse than RBII is subjective. I've played RB and GHIII the notes didn't seem as different as everyone suggests there are.

Personally, I like the song choices in GHIII better than RBII, which is all that should matter when choosing between these games.

NeoAkira

@mizzle: I agree I find most of the songs in RB easy, but that is only because the songs themselves were easy. Not that HMX purposely made them easy.

They just need to stop choosing easy songs <_<;

libregkd

@Miksho: yeah, you're pretty much spot on with that one.

arazzor

@HomerSapien:

It's practically impossible to hit double bass notes with the speed required on expert and not crack your pedal.

Eventually, it will ware down and snap.

RonCey

Hmm... It seems that Rock Band 2 is taking a beating from GH:WT and just maintaining its position. Good on Harmonix. All I truthfully care about is the tracklist, and any one with Journey on it gets my vote.

Xander

Man Activision has gotten to be some arrogant shits, especially when it comes to Harmonix. As for their other statement There is a slue of 3rd party's who use miis already, most recently being "Madden 09", but also "TV Game Show King" and "Fifa 08" just off the top of my head... also the new DDR will have the option for your Miis to dance which will come out about a month before Guitar Hero and was announced at E3

rinerdar

@libregkd: I just played GHII today, I dont recall turning around and facing away from the screen for 3/4s of an expert song. Or holding the same two buttons for entire sections of songs. Rock Band is easily the weakest in terms of challenging gameplay. It has a few songs that are tough, but the overwhelming majority are just dumb. I believe there is an article on kotaku where they say, we dumbed down RB. I'll try to find it.

mizzle

They're pretty self confident about RB1 with a song creator...

Fuelie79

With cross-compatibility between the two titles, it seems to me a fool's folly to pit the two against one another. Buy them all and let the gods of rock sort them out.

Intellectualdiot

To the people who break their intsruments:

Go easy on them. Out of five friends I know that have owned the game since day one, none of their instruments broke. The reason? We go easy on 'em.[/shortrant]

HomerSapien

@mizzle: They didn't dumb down the guitar play. The difficulty is about the same as GHII.

libregkd

@OmegaVader:

Damn dude GH3 wasn't that bad. I look forward to what they do with WT. From what I've seen it looks like it will warrant a disc only purchase at least.

@Ad-hominem:

You mad.

RonCey

@OmegaVader: Harmonix ruined their own gameplay format when they dumbed down guitar play on Rock Band.

mizzle

"They can pick up the standalone version of World Tour and use those instruments, and when they break they can buy ours."

Oh shit lol, I guess he really does want to bring it.

Lawl01

While I know the problem with RB's controllers, I've had three Les Pauls break down on me.

The quality this of the instruments this generation hasn't left me too pleased <_<

libregkd

Well, FUCK YOU ACTIVISION.
Good job, you jack-ass.
I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, and listen to what you've said. In fact, I've been willing to do that several times. But, every single goddamn interview with these guys turns to one thing: Fucking insulting Harmonix. Look it up. Every interview they've done includes at least one shit-talking statement about Harmonix, usually with a massive amount of swearing done. I mean, in the GH:WT in Game Informer, they used the word "Fuck" five times, and called Rock Band "shitty" four. This is not professionalism. That's not even base maturity.
I've decided if they're not going to show Harmonix even the base level of professionalism or maturity, neither will I.
So, I don't care if you claim to be innovating, Mr. Bright, despite completely failing to innovate with Guitar Hero III, I'm giving you a big FUCK YOU until you get your act together. Prove you've got something worth buying, instead of just pissing off your potential conversion audience.

Ad-hominem

@karasu is my homeboy: Rock Band has had pretty bad quality issues. It's a turn off for many.

mizzle

@karasu is my homeboy:

Really? Breaking not an issue? Seriously?

I'm on like my 5th drumkit. I had to order a 3rd party pedal because the stock one kept snapping in half, and my guitar had a yellow button that sticks, right out the box.

I love me some Rock Band but man those instruments were pieces of shit.

That is the one thing that GH has over RB, Red Octane makes quality stuff.

RonCey

Features, peripherals, blah blah blah.

Fact is, if the gameplay aint there, who gives a crap. I loved Guitar Hero, I really did. But Neversoft pissed all over the formula wiht GH3 by changing the rules and screwing up the note charts. What good are fancy peripherals and a music studio mode if the game simply isn't fun?

Rock Band is the true heir to the Guitar Hero legacy. GH3 and World Tour are pretenders to the throne. Rock Band plays like the games of yore, which is to say, are damn fun!

Sadly, all this antipciation for the 'next generation' is useless. Harmonix has done so well with the GH franchise that it will take at least two mroe generations before gamers figure it out -- that they've been buying into a fruad, and the real crown is held by the currently lesser known franchise. In other words, World Tour has already "won" this generation off brand name alone. Sadly, some of the casualties are difficult to stomach, especially the exclusivity to Hendrix, which will be laced with the putrid taint of poor GH3-esque gameplay instead of the true Harmonix treatment. But we can hope for, one day, the real winner to shine through and take its rightful place as the heir to the Rhythm genre crown. And if we're lucky, steal back those for-the-time-being exclusive artsits for all the fun their meant to be.

OmegaVader

@karasu is my homeboy: "As for breaking...yeah, not really an issue. Nice try though."

Um, have you played Rock Band? My friend had a never ending stream of replacements as the drums never lasted more than a couple of days.

damncrackmonkey

The only casualty between the RB2 and GH:WT war will be my wrists.. and possibly a foot.

wolfeditor

Then you have to wonder, why won't they apply the same logic to Guitar Hero III and allow the Rock Band guitar to work with it?

MechaTama31

Hehehe, a-BURN!

I'm still waiting until after both RB2 and GH:WT come out to see which is better, considering I'd be picking up the Wii version...

Or PC version? *shudder*

DoomDoomDoom

@Miksho: That was so ridiculous of him.

Uh, if your instruments aren't better than a game released a year prior, there is a problem.

As for breaking...yeah, not really an issue. Nice try though.

karasu is my homeboy

I must say, they are going all out with this. They're giving us some new and interesting stuff, but, in my opinion, it's still not enough to justify bringing the GUITAR Hero series away from the GUITAR.

Though, I am relieved that I will be able to use Rock Band 2 instruments with the game, so I don't really mind all that much.

HomerSapien

@Miksho: Great minds. ;)

Thorn

"They can pick up the standalone version of World Tour and use those instruments, and when they break they can buy ours."

Oh SNAP! :D

Thorn

"They can pick up the standalone version of World Tour and use those instruments, and when they break they can buy ours."

Oh SHIT. That is not only a deep burn, it's also most likely true. Red Octane has the peripheral-making skills, Harmonix is better at note chart creation.

Miksho

Hahahahaha... good times. They put on a show, we are entertained and eat it up, and in the end we get some nifty things because it helps keep things progressing.

It's like Smackdown vs. Raw for music games!

eudaemonic

@Jestersage: Ah crud.

+ Watch video

+ Watch video

Jestersage

@wild homes loves you but chooses darkness!: I see.

I think the issue is that your first music games are probably DDR-usa, or even GH. For that, I can understand.

As for me, the reason that bother me less is because Konami and Namco is even more guilty then that. How many of the IIDX and Taiko do you need to release each year?! Still, I think the difference is that Konami and Namco is releasing it for arcade, while Activision is doing it for home console.

And I also have a hunch that teh reason Activision did the numerous "versions" (eg Metallica, etc), despite having DLC, is that PS2 and Wii do not have DLC (until now). Even RB are forced to release extra contents on seperate disk for Wii and PS2.

@MINIBOSS: Also, thinking about the durmchart (base on

Jestersage

You know, my wireless RB guitar has had problems. The strum bar would stick in down position, which I fixed with two rubber bands. The whammy bar lost it's whammy, but I also fixed THAT with a rubber band. As long as there are no problems that can't be solved with rubber bands, I won't be buying Red Octane's guitar. Of course, if they'd been compatible with RB in the first place, I might have bought it instead at the time, but they lost that sale.

rexdart007

Soooo much drama.

Games are serious business.

Anyway, lets hope activision gets his act together and polish all the stuff that GHIII had and not just only add features for the sake of features (thoug i'll definetly enjoy the hell of the song creator). And lets hope sony gets their shit together and open the PSN to Mexico so i can buy some DLC and games.

And lets hope rockband plays good with the GH drums.

Falsoman

Does this mean we can expect "Temple of Love" and "The Reptile House" as DLC??????

psychicfriend

@Ad-hominem: Yeah it is pretty lame with how much shit they talk about Harmonix and Rock Band. They should remember who created the franchise that prints them money (Harmonix).

QforQ

Let me preface this by saying I own GH1-3, RB, and plan on buying GH:WT and RB2.

I honestly don't understand why so many people complain about "overcharting" on Guitar Hero 3. To me, "overcharting" makes it feel more like I'm actually shredding something since I have to move my fingers around all over the place and maybe practice a song a few times to get the hang of it. Not to mention that they widened the note recognition window so that you can actually use hammer ons and slide up and down the notes (yes, I'm looking at you Rockband guitar note recognition).

As to complaining about making you play every instrument in the song: some of us actually like to play challenging things. We also like to hit different note patterns during the song; playing the same thing over and over and over and over gets incredibly boring (granted, GH is the biggest offender in that regard with Story of My Life, but the majority of Rock Band songs are pretty dull).

I enjoy both games, but don't get me wrong, Guitar Hero is the clear winner when it comes to making you feel like you're rocking out on a guitar. Sometimes exacting precision does not make a fun game. I guess what I'm trying to say is, if "overcharting" offends you, play it on a lower difficulty setting. Then you'll get the same experience.

Loate

@Ad-hominem: Your comment needs to make Comment of the Week like none other I've seen.

Reddo

and about the Hendrix exclusivity, Just wait untill RB2 breaks out the Zep tunes! HOO-RA!!

mookmookie

RB2, 500+ tracks =argument over.

mookmookie

The sad part is that most people flock towards the Guitar Hero brand name without giving a shit how good or bad it is. Also, saying "ZOMG YOU CAN MAEK YUOR OWN SONGZ" will get loads of people to buy it, sure, but when they realize that the feature is completely useless, it probably won't make them return it. Good job Activision; you've finally found out the Wii's secret sauce.

man in gauze is king ramses II, silly.

People who complain about overcharting and blame it on Neversoft never played Guitar Hero Rocks the 80s. Harmonix started the trend toward more and more difficult guitar parts, then had to refocus and attack from a different angle to make Rock Band more accessible and friendly. The Guitar Hero games themselves, are pretty consistent in their progression of difficulty.

People who say they had no trouble with broken instruments are either obscenely lucky, or not that good at the game, to be honest. At the Expert difficulty level, the Rock Band guitar's strum bar fails pretty quickly, the bass pedal snaps in half, and quick rolls don't register or set off other pads. At the same time, my PS3 Les Paul is ridiculously finicky, and all of my scores improved when I got a Nyko Frontman (which works in Rock Band and GH3). Except when it decides to randomly disconnect in mid-song that is.

ordchaos

@HomerSapien: The game's title is meaningless. They upgraded to full band because that is the direction music games are headed.

Dalren

@Loate: It's not the overcharting difficulty that's the problem; it's the fact that it happens at all.

I've been playing music since I was 11. I was a band geek starting in middle school, and then my sophomore year of highschool I picked up guitar, then subsequently joined the jazz band. I've jammed regularly with blues rock and alternative players. I don't have to have tabs if I have sheet music to read a guitar part, and I've independently studied music theory.

I'm not trying to brag, just set up where I'm coming from on this whole issue. The problem with overcharting is simply one of accuracy and judgment. It's similar to the decision to include picked notes in solos that make sense when spread across six strings and 21 to 24 frets (depending on your guitar). It's irritating from a musical perspective.

This argument will never end. More often than not, it's people with musical backgrounds who prefer Rock Band because of their understanding of music. I swear up and down that I have heard missed grace notes in charts for Sabotage and Cherub Rock, and it bugs me. Likewise, I feel that the more liberal timing in Guitar Hero makes me a worse player, both of the games and of the guitar. It seems like fractions of a second, but over a long composition, being comfortable with being slightly off will eventually knock you off beat altogether. Guitar Hero 1 was on the opposite end of the spectrum from 3. Timing had to be too exact, and that was a bad thing as well. It made hammer-ons virtually useless for all but the most determined of players.

I don't have anything against Guitar Hero 3, and I think it's fun to play from time to time. Musically, I appreciate Rock Band more. That fact, coupled with my already substantial investment in Rock Band, makes Rock Band 2 the most viable purchase.

On a side note, there really isn't an excuse for shit-talking. If Neversoft wants to note Rock Band's instrument failure rate, they are perfectly capable of doing it with civility. I will be the first to admit that EA did not make the original instruments sturdy enough, but most of the breaks I've seen often came from people who over-abused the instruments because of lack of control, or because they tried to treat them as real.

Testamonium

good point sanyo.

mookmookie

@karasu is my homeboy:

im sure the quality has improved from one however i personally had a guitar broke out of the box and then had the whammy bar spring break on another, and i know people that have broke their drum pedal within days of getting it.

but my GH1, 2, and 3 controllers all work fine and i got all of them on their respective day ones.

EA has a lot of catching up to do in the quality of peripheral department.

demonknightinuyasha

I don't get the hatred for either companies specially activision sure they may have screwed things up but really isn't competition what we want?(except for a million peripherals of course)

JetPogi

I think what Brian meant to say is, "They can pick up the standalone version of World Tour and use those instruments, and when they break they can send them back to EA for a new one due to EA's generous defective policy." Sure, a few weeks without an instrument is an inconvenience but it's much better than shelling out another $60+ for a new one right away. At least for me.

sanyo

@mookmookie, @Testamonium: 500 tracks that does not exist for Wii. And since Wii sold more than 360 and PS3... Do the math yourself.

@Testamonium: However, I do have to agree with you. As I mentioned, my friend, who's only experiences with music are drummania, become very friendly with the Toms, simply put (I swear he played all the cymbals and drums on the kit). Also, While I know I will be incapable of doing so, I always try to overchart on my Ibanez (not JEM, sorry) but doing both melody and chord.

So I think the question is: are we doing a cover, so that players can be fun, or should we keep it accurate even if it means it can be boring?

I am not saying it's wrong either way; heck, "fun" is subjective. Playing the same guitar parts by one self is different from playing with others, and even then, depend who you are talking to (causal, musicians, bemani elites, or all of the above), will feel different. As I mentioned, many of my friends who play lots of bemani sold their rock band because they do not enjoy it.

In this light, it would be completely wrong to say Neversoft do not know how to make music games. From those that used to play bemani (or heck, maybe Neversoft hired them!), they will find it just find.

Lastly, you mentioned "It's similar to the decision to include picked notes in solos that make sense when spread across six strings and 21 to 24 frets (depending on your guitar). It's irritating from a musical perspective." Can you elaborate on that, especially in terms of real guitar? Thanks.

Jestersage

@mookmookie: Also its not exclusive to Guitar Hero too, for the sake of noting. They are working on a deal with Rock Band also - Activision just secured one first. Same for the Doors for that matter.

ShiningIdeal

@Dalren: Rock Band, however, will still have the advantage of a significantly larger release library. For people who are interested in DLC, the pre-existing set of songs could be a make-or-break factor.

No one can really say how much it will affect sales. Citing Guitar Hero 3's DLC updates, however, is still useful for estimating people's perception of online support. Could it be different? Of course. Will people use past experience as a gauge for what they expect? Usually.

Testamonium

@Dalren:

I tried not to make any claims about quality, just saying that for many/most people, quality isn't even a concern. And that's a problem.

man in gauze is king ramses II, silly.

@mookmookie: There is no Evidence to suggest that World Tour won't have the same regular DLC releases. Citing GH3 is not valid evidence.

Dalren

@man in gauze is king ramses II, silly.: Or those of us who have played both games and have preferred GH will stick with GH.

I'll be getting the Rock Band 2 game only and the WT bundle, though.

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone thinks Rock Band is a gift from god compared to the other music game.

Dalren

Rock Band was a great game but that guitar was made like crap.

Muisee

@man in gauze is king ramses II, silly.: But how exactly is this feature gonna be useless? I keep reading that from time to time and i don't get it.

Yes, it's gonna be a complicated music creator, yes, it's gonna be limited and yes, you can't put lyrics. This is not a professional music studio, but then again, this is not a 400 pieze of software. Is complex enough to let you record a performance or note by note and use a mixer if you want to be meticulous. It's gonna have several instruments to choose from and midi effects, and amp effects and let you make loops and use them as you see fit. So i'm not sure what part of it is useless. Speccially when we are talking about a feature on a music game.

And just because not everybody is gonna go and have the time or the patience to record stuff on the music studio doesn't mean is not gonna be used. Just watch a niche game like daigasso band brothers DX, it's certnly gonna end up having way less sells that GH and two months in and it already have literally thousands of custom songs.

But here's the kicker. You can like BOTH games and it is OK! You dont really have to pick one side and stick by it.

Lets just hope you can download a song song and if it sucks you can delete it and use the space for a new one. 200 spaces for custom songs are not enough if you can't delete the ones that suck and replace then with better ones.

Falsoman

@mizzle: Properly charting songs is not dumbing down. If anything, Rock Band is harder. The short timing window and unforgiving HOPO system makes for a good challenge.

Necrid

@plutoknight: Yeah what the craphappened to Tony Hawk? Ever since they added the 'Jackass' styled humor it has been the most unbearable series to play. Guitar Hero really pissed me off as well. It was still fun to play, but I HATE those retarded boss battles with guitarists I could care less about, and they ruined my favorite song Knights of Cydonia. I am positive that whoever worked on that song for the game never actually listened to it because it has so many missing notes and so many randomly added notes. I hated it.
I think I will stick with Rock Band simply because of how great they've been with the DLC. I can't trust that GH will deliver on that end. Even if they say they might.

Zenrick2.0

I thought the hmx burn was quite funny..

Still not picking up WT until I see note charts, though. NS sucks at, well, the game-making part of the game.

As someone who actually pissed off half the NS GH Crew over on a certain forum by saying this is turning into Tony Hawk, well..

It is.

ITs becoming about "HOW MUCH SHIT CAN WE CRAM IN HERE" and "HOW MANY BIG NAMES CAN WE MO-CAP AND PUT IN THERE" and less about how the game actually plays.

When was the last time you played a decent THPS game? probably THPS3 or 4, the arguable pinnacle of the series.

I'm betting Tony Hawk AND Spiderman will be cameo guitarists. Just to squeeze more starpower out of it. Pun intended there.

plutoknight

Falsoman: "But here's the kicker. You can like BOTH games and it is OK! You dont really have to pick one side and stick by it."

Thank you! I just don't get why someone can love Rock Band, but absolutely hate GH3 or hate on GH:WT without even playing it, they're the same damned game, it just doesn't make any sense! Comments like this:

"guitar hero is still corny gotta give the edge to RB in every way shape and form based on that " - BauerStyle

Really? Guitar Hero is corny, but not Rock Band?? How exactly does that work??

PlasmaMachine

@Necrid: Properly charting songs is not dumbing down, its being true to the music.

Of course, purposely overcharting the synth/keyboard in a song to make it unpassible.......that's just charting for difficulty.

I won't like -- there are a few good NS charts. Cherub Rock, most of the non-Aerosmith songs in GH:A (who charted Sex Type Thing and Cat Scratch Fever....fire them. Now)...but..that's.....not an impressive track record.

Not to mention...have any of you guys seen how ugly the World Tour interface is? I swear to God, slap that bad boy on the back of a cereal box and you'll be driving kids mad for WEEKS

plutoknight

@plutoknight: Yes, but it's not like those that have only a wii have any choice...

BTW, I saw a huge pile of Rock band Wii compare to rock band 360 and PS3 (or more like, 360/PS3 RB does not even have a pile). That definitely does not look for for RB in general... maybe.

Jestersage

[xkcd.com]

I dunno, I guess that just says it for me, I used to care, now I don't. Life's too short to be arguing about note charts in a video game, guys.

ChunkOFunk

@ChunkOFunk: You can always trust XKCD to be intelligent, humorous, and relatable to internet geeks!

So true though, none of this needs to be a right or wrong issue. It's starting to become like the xbox/sony/nintendo fanboyism, and reasonably so.

These games are creating such unique experiences for players that they have every reason to embrace one platform/franchise/whatever over the other. It's just surprising how impersonal, objective, and factual some people are trying to be when the broader discussion comes down to *which game do you like more, *which game makes you feel like you had a better experience?

As gamers, myself included, it seems so strange that we have to qauntify and justify our reasonings all the time. Why can't it be enough to just lounge around on the internet and, well, talk about our *feelings*

Stuffed

They've got some nerve talking like this about the people who made their game for them.

I'm not going to buy any GH games purely for the reason that they didn't make it possible to use the les paul with the ps3 version of rb.

4Degrees

why does everyone have to argue, why not just buy both of em like im doing!

lost_in_hollywood

Hey Mike Fahey didn't We Ski use Miis first... [static.gamesradar.com]

HeyMykie

Having played GHIII and RB 1, I have to say I prefer RB...but that should be no surprise as I generally like drumming over strumming.

The RB drums will break if you act like Animal - but you're not supposed to hit drums like you're trying to chase demons from them. And they are "broken" out of the box because of sensor problems.

On day one, I reinforced my pedal with diamond plating to avoid that drama. Should I have to? No, the product should work as intended. Do I forgive them since they were trying something new? Because of their great customer service, absolutely.

The shit talk from Bright is unprofessional, since he's feeding from the trough that Harmonix built. I guess that he's too stupid to keep his mouth shut, and eventually that'll bite him in the ass.

I'll get both discs, because of the cost per song ratio, and they both have great songs.

Still, I'll prefer Rock Band II, if only for the art direction. GH:WT is just fugly, in my opinion - but if it's fun, who cares?

You Cannot Untoast

What they still aren't bringing is compatible DLC. I bought some songs at rip-off prices for GH2. They don't work with GH3. Neither DLC will work with GH:World Tour.

Compare that to what Rock Band is doing, with sensible pricing and full cross-compatibility, and indeed the ability to use the on-disc RB1 tracks in RB2. That makes me support RB out of principle.

Good to see Neversoft doing a new game for a change, though. Texture updates to Tony Hawk was getting a bit old... >;)

kryo

Could the author of the last two Guitar Hero stories (Mike Fahey) be a bigger fanboy!? They were both non-stories whose only purpose was flame-bait.

BriGuy

@BriGuy: Actually, if you look at BriGuy's commenting history there is a definite pro-Rock Band, anti-Guitar Hero slant going on there, so if there is any fanboism going on here it isn't coming from me.

Mike Fahey

"They can pick up the standalone version of World Tour and use those instruments, and when they break they can buy ours." ZING!
I think rockband is a fine game, and it certainly forced guitar hero to up their game. Right now, it seems that the games have two different goals. RB is going for more content, and World tour is going for more realistic game play/more features. At the end of the day, they are both video games with plastic instruments. And as for the attractiveness of one game over the other, I don't think either is that great... but the Miis look ridiculous.
Luckily there are two choices, so we all can pick which one(s) we want.

@BriGuy: I don't think liking a game and being excited about it makes you a fanboy...

dArk_stAr

Now hear this - Guitar Hero World Tour is BRINGING IT!

It =

A copy of Rock Band

Overcharted songs

Forced DLC bundles that cost more than Rock Band's

An unjustified arrogant attitude

"METALLICA!!" (cue crickets)

KaneRobot

@OmegaVader: Pretentious much?

Yes, the RB instruments are crap. My friends and I have been playing RB with dual X-plorers because both of their Fenders are busted, and the drum kit's already been replaced once. Keep insulting Activision and Neversoft all you want, but don't question that RedOctane makes higher quality peripherals. It's really hard to argue that without looking like an ignorant twatmonkey.

Karlott

The fact that you can buy both as just the games + the fact that you probably already have instruments that will work with both = argument over.

Goddamn you fanboys confuse the hell outta me sometimes.

AntiheroKing

i'm curious as to what songs you guys were playing when you broke your drum kits? i've had mine since may now, playing on expert, and haven't had a damned problem with it.
the kid i switch off with in my band had to buy his own because he was hitting mine way too hard. yes, you are playing drums, but on a plastic kit made for a video game. take it a little easier and you wouldn't have those problems.
you don't go buying a daily driver for a fomula 1 race expecting good results...

bewarethefoopa

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, but I'm pretty sure Hendrix has not been confirmed as an exclusive. Every article I've read just mentions that he is confirmed to be in GH, but has said nothing about exclusivity.

thereisnoart

Brian's answer amuses me. Unfortunately, Neversoft as a whole amuses me now. When Tony Hawk's Proving Ground came out, they were asked about ea's skate.. They were very cocky, and said it wasn't even going to be a contest.

Guess what? skate did WAY better than THPG.

NS should stop with the cocky attitude. Yeah if you're right, you get the "I told you so" thrown in. But if you're not, that faceplant hurts a lot more.

SaikoMantis

@Gatorguy91: Exactly. I bought my Guitar with the Game, and It's been working perfectly ever since I got it. The Whammy Bar droops from time to time, but it still works like the day I got it.

Cervantes_III

@libregkd: That's true. Harmonix didn't really change the guitar parts, Neversoft just made their charts really freaking hard. But not so hard as to be impossible. Except for TtFatF, Devil Went Down to Georgia, and Knights of Cydonia. I can't even beat those on Hard.

Cervantes_III

Sadly, all this antipciation for the 'next generation' is useless. Harmonix has done so well with the GH franchise that it will take at least two mroe generations before gamers figure it out -- that they've been buying into a fruad, and the real crown is held by the currently lesser known franchise. In other words, World Tour has already "won" this generation off brand name alone. Sadly, some of the casualties are difficult to stomach, especially the exclusivity to Hendrix, which will be laced with the putrid taint of poor GH3-esque gameplay instead of the true Harmonix treatment. But we can hope for, one day, the real winner to shine through and take its rightful place as the heir to the Rhythm genre crown. And if we're lucky, steal back those for-the-time-being exclusive artsits for all the fun their meant to be.

udlot

his really amazing and talented.

udlot

@bewarethefoopa: See, when I play drums I am gentle. I do not feel the need to "rock out" on a little fake drum kit. I play on expert as well. Never had a problem with the kit. Then along comes my retarded roommate, thinking he's playing in front of a crowd of millions. During a big rock finish he slams my pedal, smashing it in two. Ugh...from my experience I've never had a single problem with the RB instruments, it's just when that idiot got a hold of it and misused it. He is no longer my roommate.

Zenrick2.0

I'm buying the one with the better hardware first, but we won't know that until november.

Then next year I will buy the other one game only

And Guitar Hero Metallica too

Great Merol

I sense some tension between RB and GH! Let's hope they're both good games.

hallowethe

I've never lost a GH or RB controller. You guys are too hard on your shit. :P

PEWPEWGreenLaser

The sheer amount of Rock Band fanboism going on makes me ashamed I even like the game.

Slust

@mizzle:
I don't feel like they "dumbed down" guitar play for Rock Band. I just feel like they faithfully represent it. The songs that are easy would be easy on a real guitar. They just jacked up the difficulty on GH III. I play real guitar, and some of those songs would be a lot easier on a real guitar than on GH III, which just doesn't seem right.

Plus, they made the window to hit the notes wide open, so you can just button mash your way through the crazy parts a lot of the time. I don't remember the last time I fret-mashed my way through a song on real guitar.

Anyway, GH III was enjoyable. I just personally connect more with Harmonix's products. I'll probably at least rent a copy of GH:WT to see if it's worth having, but judging from the songs released so far, I'm sticking with RB. Jimi Hendrix and One-Armed Scissor are probably the only cool things GH has going for them right now.

DarthAthema

Wow, I never thought there were so many pansies who can't play GH3 without bitching like an 8 year old losing a foot race to his sister.

Jus' sayin :)

GH3 is fine as it is. And don't come with your ridiculious "my toy-instruments game is much more real than your toy-instruments game!" because... well, I have both.

BigBooBuddy

Oh, and I'm tired of any real discussion being immediately dismissed by accusing anyone who prefers RB of "fanboyism." You know what? A quality product is going to have loyal fans.

And broken instruments? Not unless you're pounding on them like apes. You're not Keith Moon. They're plastic instruments. Calm down, and they'll be fine.

DarthAthema

In this war, RB's greatest asset remains GHIII and the fact that Harmonix had nothing to do with it.

Other than quality of instruments and a bunch of features (Song studio? Yes it's a great addition, but who's gonna use it? With no lyrics, might I add?) that's not present in the other game... what does GH:WT offer over RB2? Absolutely nothing at this point.

Suffice it to say, they haven't brought it. They've brought quantity and quality of instruments.

Now they just have to make people want to play their game, and if this is the attitude we can expect, they lost a potential sale for me.

CommentatorHatman

to quote DarthAthema: "Jimi Hendrix and One-Armed Scissor are probably the only cool things GH has going for them right now."

bewarethefoopa

@DarthAthema: They fixed the timing window in Aerosmith. Don't expect a broken timing window in WT either.

Dalren

Why don't they "bring it" by actually trying to produce decent artistic design, animations that aren't comically robotic, and charts that aren't so painfully dull? Rather than talking shit and throwing money away money to get exclusivity on big name artists, just to end up with a subpar setlist, just because they went for the hit song rather than one that was fun to play.

mronoc

I'm definitely thinking about getting this, especially if they have a PC version... I loved playing GH3 on my PC.

SicariusIV

@Ad-hominem: "That's not even base maturity." Let's see, your post had 5 fucks, 2 shits, a goddamn, and a whole lot of nonsensical anger over what two companies who don't care about you at all were saying. Dude, calm the fuck down.

dslsd64

In other words, if you put the same exact charts in both RB and GHIII, GHIII will be easier becuase the hit window is larger. Not sure why everyone says GHIII is harder, it's not, it's just the charts that in my opinion they over did. The game is still fun, I love every rhythmn game, but keep the charts reasonable and make people really hit the damn note for crying out loud!!!!!!!!!

jafo1212

What no one here seems to be getting is that the reason GHIII is so bad is that they expanded the hit window for the notes. Probably becuase they over charted so bad it would be near impossible to play without it. So, that being the case, you can pretty much flail your way through songs which in my opinion is pretty lame. What's the point of a rhythm game if you don't have to keep good rhythm!?!?!

jafo1212

This guy's a douchebag and I'm not buying his game, mostly because I've had Rock Band instruments for a while and the note charts are better, but also just because he's a douchebag.

furianboy