@Hobo_Hot_Dog:

Well, enjoyment derived from gameplay is going be subjective, of course. You can criticize that, and base your opinion on the previous game if you want too. But the graphics are what I was referring to. It's kind of hard for folks to argue that this game doesn't look amazing and still be taken seriously.

And personally, with the amazing looking class and subclass systems installed, it looks better to me than Halo's rather sterile run-and-gun gameplay. But that is, again, personal preference.

PapaBear434

Hmm. My comment may have been mis-interpreted, or I just worded it hellaciously bad. What I mean to say are where are the Sony faithfuls who always dog on Gears for supposedly "too much brown" while this game seems to have even more "brown". Now listen, I think this game looks awesome. I also thought Gears was "dark hued", but rarely saw any actual "brown". Maybe it was my settings. Anyway, I just thought it was funny considering this game seems to actually look "brown". I wasn't trolling, and even though this game looks brown, I don't consider that a negative. Hopefully I cleared that up.

I_Hate_This_Place

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: Nah man CoD4 and Halo completely ripped off Rise of the Triads... I'll forgive you for your mistake though.

Astrofox

Hobo Hot Dog FTL

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@PapaBear434: Hahahaha I just used cognitive dissonance to explain the new fighters in Street Fighter 4 the other day. Anyhow thats my random...keep posting :P

spacecoffin2

@I_Hate_This_Place: looks like that 'moronic pre-judging' comment came back to bite you on the arse predictably swiftly.

sqoon

@I_Hate_This_Place: Eh? Go back and read some of the previous KZ2 articles and I know you'll find quite of few comments made concerning it's "brown" art direction. ;) I mean, you didn't even wait until there were 10 comments yet.

Đipic

@PapaBear434: No, it looks like a typical shooter derivative of Halo/CoD 4. Sorry.

Hobo_Hot_Dog

@I_Hate_This_Place:

Your levels of cognitive dissonance are frightening. Most people that level that "more brown/gray lol" meme, most of the time on this game, are usually of the 360 persuasion. They hold up their precious "Halo" series as the gold standard of game design. IE, bright colors even where not necessarily warranted.

Also, members of the Wii coalition tend to trash ANY realistic shooter game for brown and gray, simply because they seem to prefer the bright primary colors of Mario and his various spin offs.

My point is that THIS game tends to be the lightning rod drawing most of the ire of said hypocritical fanboys because the game, quite frankly, looks amazing.

PapaBear434

I will be giving this a try. I had fun with the PSP version.

I_Hate_This_Place

@I_Hate_This_Place: Don't be stupid. I am a pseudo Sony fanboy and I'm not a hypocrite and do think it's brown.

Stop trolling for bites, dude.

budash2

Free copy only way I would touch Killzone 2 after the framerate mess of the first game ( the end game in orbit missions could count the frames on one hand and multiplayer with more then a few bots was a joke ). Anyhow even if the framerate is good ( for consoles 30 or 60 :P ) I'm guessing no key and mouse support ( like Unreal Tourny 3 has on PS3 ) so still no reason to touch it.

Anyhow I do dig the style of Killzone, but its pointless for me to gush about graphics when everything next-generation looks rather good and everyone else is already gushing about the graphics.

spacecoffin2

Too brown.

Hobo_Hot_Dog

Damn, where are all the whiners complaining about how "brown" this game is? Oh yeah, it's a Sony exclusive. I forgot.

(Which I think this game looks very nice myself, but the hypocrisy of fanboys is astounding)

I_Hate_This_Place

@jonathan.:

Has the potential, yes, but no doubt the 360 loyalists will hold up Gears of War 2 as the gold standard. And you know what? They might be right, as that game looks incredible too.

PapaBear434

@kyle1193: I'm with you.

Best looking game this gen?

jonathan.

all over my face!

Fluffy22

I gasped when I first played the multiplayer mode. It looks unbelievable.

Lorrr

hmmm maybe this game will make me buy a ps3

kyle1193

Helgast snipers are at a disadvantage...I mean come on you can probably spot those three red dots from a mile away.

But hot dang them graphics sure are purdy!!!

Shooter McGavin

@def PD:

Yep. 32 player gooeyness.

____

omnomnom, FPS pr0n.

Telecinision

The trailer definitely made the game look like a lot of fun. It's 16 v 16 MP, right?

def PD

want this game

ZetaCrossfire

that sniper skin is so damn sexy it should be illegal.

sqoon

@PapaBear434:

Could you hold off on the stereotyping, especially since you're commenting about someone doing the exact same thing.

Innervate

@PapaBear434: While I don't agree with I Hate This Place's post, yours was just as worse. "Nuh uh!!!! The Xbox360 fanboys say that to sacrifice brown games to their Halo 3 god!" It feels like I'm at GameFaqs lately, reading the comments here. You could have left that whole part out, and the Wii part.

Random gamers say it. Not this type or that type, and there's no way to accurately break them into groups. Random gamers across the internet say it, @all.

jonathan.

@stoutbear: Agreed! What are the chances though?

Morpork

I love the badge system that Fahey talked about. It will definitely make interesting combos in multiplayer plus the graphics are the best of any shooter out now except for Crysis.

Buttah

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: Then don't buy it, at least then you won't have to post your opinions about it any more.

Your final sentence just seems thrown out there for the sake of something: hype is not a bad thing - in fact it's done wonders for the gaming industry a la Halo 3 and Grand Theft Auto 4. And, I'm unfamiliar with a LBP game that's been done before.

Fallible

Keyboard and Mouse please...k thanks

stoutbear

@DugDawg:

That can be arranged. GC had PLENTY updated KZ2 builds, some even with direct feed.

Although it'd be SP and not MP.

But according to all media outlets, you can't tell the difference.

____

Stop this "too-much brown" thing.

KZ2 and Gears 2 both looks astonishing with the chosen colors by the developers. Stop being a hypocrite and just enjoy the screenies or vids and wait for the game to hit the shelves.

Jesus, people are fighting just because there's too much brown on a game.

xCruciaLx

@Fallible: Yeah, and? This game looks like nothing we haven't seen before. The Sony Hype Machine is in high gear for this one, kind of the same way it is for LBP. Sorry Sony, try again in 2010.

Hobo_Hot_Dog

The screens look nice. I would like to see an updated video of the game in motion.

DugDawg

I am going to do something different and post my own comment and ignore everyone QQing on everyone elses shoulder.....

I have been pumped for this game from DAY 1, its the reason I bought my PS3 on day 1. And I am so damn happy that its as beautiful as it looked in the first trailer.

Xuchilbara

maybe some of you should have a look at this:

[www.joystiq.com]

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@I_Hate_This_Place:

I appriciate the clarification, but I have to disagree. I don't see many Sony loyalists "dogging" on GoW2, mostly because they know it would be a very stones-in-a-glass-house situation considering that Killzone 2 has acted as a flagship game of the PS3 since it was shown all those years back.

It's mostly the Halo fanatics that level the "TOO BROWN" comment, because they like their hallways to be purple, shiny, and indistinguishable from each other.

PapaBear434

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: Seeing as you tend to crap on anything Sony related don't be surprised if no one cares for your opinion. I sure don't.

Anyway, Killzone had a great multiplayer and that's where I'll ultimately make my decision on whether or not to buy KZ2, not on it's graphical prowess -- but it sure looks pretty though.

Fallible

I am an unabashed 360 fanboy who has no desire to own a PS3... YET! This game and God of War 3 have the potential to make me bite the bullet. (GoW 1 & 2 were incredible games which have yet to meet their match in their genre.)

The only thing that makes me leary of this game is the history Sony has of being, well, less than honest regarding its quality - whether it be in touching up stills or claiming pre-render is in-game.

While I love my 360, the PS3 has some un-tapped power. Hopefully, by the time this game and GoW3 come out two things will happen: (1) said un-tapped power will become, um, tapped; and (2) the George Foreman-esque machine will become redesigned, ala, PS2 Slim. Then, I'll be on it like a pitbull on a baby wearing a steak jacket.

J

FranksnBeans

@thegunshow: Don't get yer panties in a bunch, little lady.

Hobo_Hot_Dog

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: There's nothing wrong with having opinions but if the opinions you have are all about hating anything PS3 related then it becomes trolling. No go away and hug your 360.

thegunshow

Anyone else wondering how they're going to divide their time between all the good looking games coming out soon? It's going to take me a year to get through everything released this September - February. Not that I'm complaining about amazing looking games, but I never dreamed I would have to freaking prioritize my gaming. Insane!

Wolfers

What's so bad about having an opinion?

Hobo_Hot_Dog

@Sex_For_Pandas: Yeah he is.

If only Kotaku has this "Ignore User" option than will automatically hide someone's post.

hmmn..

xCruciaLx

Was so awesome to hear that all this that's been coming out is alpha.

Just sheer yay because beta and more time for polishing.

Zaos

@Hobo_Hot_Dog:

Obvious troll is obvious.

Anyway while I'm nowhere near a shooter fan I have to admit that Killzone is looking pretty good so far. So pretty that I might atleast give it a try. (Kinda getting the feeling of Gears of War 1 from it WHICH IS GREAT)

Sex_For_Pandas

I was really hoping that Killzone 2 would look closer to the demo of 'in game footage' they showed years ago. I do hope that the level design is leaps and bounds above the original Killzone's level design...which wouldn't be hard to top.

I remember the original Killzone. It was the only game I ever traded in. Back then you could stack coupons at Sears and I recall getting it for $25. I played it for a week, beat it, hated it, and then traded it in at Gamestop for $32.

BigDragon

It definitely looks good, but it undeniably has a bit of that "brown, grey and bloom"-feeling to it. Not that I want every game to look like the Halo games (which, judging from the pics I've seen, look like they stole their palette from the Mario franchise), but still.. Back in the day (ie. when the Build engine was king) FPS games managed to look completely different (Duke 3D, RoTT, Shadow Warrior, Doom, Blood etc. all looked different from each other), so why are all "realistic" FPS and TPS games Hellbent on using the "brown, grey and bloom" palette?

Combichristoffersen

@xCruciaLx: I agree, I want Diablo 3 to go back into the darker world and I'm happy with KZ and Gears being like that too.

Llost

That top screen shot looks alot worse than the other 2, is there a reason? Early build or something possibly.

I can't help but feel there's a bit of a lack of colour and alot of reliance on lighting despite it not being the most atmospheric game. Still looks good though and I like what I've heard but I believe the graphics are not as good as I expected but the lighting is used well to cover it up. I want to see more multiplayer maps since that seems like the most interesting part to me (with the choice of spawn points it sounds fun).

Llost

@Surfaced: Thanks. I'll make sure to call the wambulance for you, stat!

Anyhoo, meh.

Hobo_Hot_Dog

I'm really curious if they will have other environments in the game than the grey urban setting. I mean, colorful envs probably wouldn't fit but some red lit facility or an unfriendly looking planet surface ...something like that. I really hope so.

Bedlam

@Innervate:

I meant for you to be included in this diatribe as well.

PapaBear434

@jonathan.:
[kotaku.com]
I was making a generalization, sure, but what other FPS can you name with the amount of color as Halo? Far Cry and Crysis come to mind, but there really haven't been anything recently that fits that description. Everything else is going with a gritty, realistic look.

People screaming for color in their FPS's are usually, by and large, Halo fans.

PapaBear434

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: Actually I don't care for your opinion either. Shit, no one does. And that "panties in a bunch" was totally unnecessary, it just shows that your work here is done.

You came, you saw, and you troll'd. Argue whatever you want, but as it's known, no one gives a crap about what a fanboy thinks, and I for one care so little that I won't check for your future responses to expressions of well-deserved disrespect.

Surfaced

Those guys at Guerrilla have the best looking tech I've seen on the console. Their rendered shadows and contrast look superb.

JohnnyLA

very brown....
anyways this game is gonna fall through the cracks i've got
fallout3, GTA:DLc, Fable 2, endwar, halowars, S.T.A.L.K.E.R clear sky, too human eventually, LBP, messing with home, whatever comes with the 360 fall update, hopefully mass effect dlc, a couple jrpgs, TFU, saints row 2..... this is why i hate gaming somtimes. thats like $2000

wnflame

@FranksnBeans: trust me when I say this, nothing that sony has released in recent memory about Killzone 2 is touched up.
I have played both single and multiplayer first hand, fuck, anyone from kotaku will tell you, we were literally 20 inches away from a 40" bravia and it still looks god-damn unbelievable.

Lorrr

This game will never come out.

ez054098

@zanzibarlegend:

Well put. If I wasn't slightly drunk, I would have said it myself.

Consider yourself nominated for A Week in Comments, friend.

PapaBear434

having an opinion, and baiting are 2 totally diffrent things.

saying "too much brown" is baiting.

saying "well i hope they can improve on textures,it may appear in some screens textures aren't clean." is opining.

some of you love to bait, to get a response... and then cry foul when you get called out for doing so. prove your intelligence to us here by bringing some constructive criticism. that goes for any game on any console. with all due respect to those who do contribute to this site, i am merely writing this for those who are not bringing substance on here.

While many will agree that KZ2 has become the figurative "punching bag" of the gaming scene, GG has done an honest effort to deliver an amazing experience. reviewers journalists have been praising its development.... i don't get the hate.

does the game have room for improvement? sure? any game does. this is one game that is benefitting from being in the oven. im hoping for a tasty meal come FEb 2009.

NEWS FLASH

Kotaku is not punching bag. you're not in a lone corner shadowboxing with yourself. you are essentially in the midddle of the ring with a million people watching your every move. not ready to be a a contender/commenter? then step out the ring , and go shadow box in the privacy of your own home.

zanzibarlegend

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: why do you even come here just to bash killzone 2? are you jealous at the fact that the 360 doesnt have this game? face it, if this game were on the xbox 360, you would be like "ZOMG DIS GAME IZ AWSOME!!!!1!1!" but its *gasp* a ps3 exclusive!!! so it must suck! and who the hell compares a game to a last gen game? i guess because killzone 1 wasnt that good, killzone 2 will suck even more, even though every single blogger that has played the game is praising it. gears of war 2 will be gone when this game comes out. so go take your box with you and get ready for the winter because you will need that box to warm you

saito_sanps3

February can't get here fast enough!

NYKnicker

@Lorrr:

Yeah, that's what I hear. That's why I said "history." No doubt, it looks awesome. But, when one slips you a Mickey in your drink, you'd be wise to curb your eagerness to accept another drink from them. And, I haven't had the luxury of playing an actual build; which is why I'll wait and watch before being either overly excited or overly let-down.

Again, if this game and GoW3 are what I hope they are, I'll be on it!

J

FranksnBeans

@PapaBear434: many thanks, sir! :)

zanzibarlegend

btw you can easily tell the trolls apart from the people who have looked at the screenshots.

it's "too much grey", not brown, my dearest troll friends. (not you okenny, you're cool)

Lorrr

So, who wants to bet the gameplay sucks as bad as the last one? All heil stupid AI!

AkaMagi

The multiplayer and general reviews of the game are getting really hot.

If GG polishes all of it, and also those apparently unprecise sixaxis mechanisisms that Kojima mentioned then this game should be off to a flying start.

REALLY looking forward to this, Resistance 2, Bioshock and Mirror's Edge <3.

Im gonna go bankrupt this fall and Im gonna love throwing away my cash lol :p.

luxusa

The environments are really hit or miss, mostly on the miss side. That first shot of the gallery (not the article) is nice and dramatic, but the second shot is too contrasty, confusing, and generic. The characters look really great though.

Toasticus

I've been here all along

Lorrr

Sigh, when will people stop complaining about 'colors' like it's the only thing in the game, it's just dumb and not really all that important. As long as I can see shit on the screen i don't care about the color pallete, it's the artists choice for expression. Bright and technicolor, awesome! earthy and gritty, fantastic! I don't care, just gimme a great game.

When will the real gamers show up to this kotaku party?

iNime

@OmegaWolf: Oh. Killzone is brown.

Hobo_Hot_Dog

the "too much brown/grey" label is pretty ridiculous in the case of this particular game. This game has been in development for YEARS. Well before the style became the current standard. Not to mention the fact that it's a SEQUEL to a game that had the exact same color/design scheme.

i don't hear anyone complaining about all the brown in Fallout 3. i don't remember anyone complaining about all the brown in Shadow of the Colossus. there have been plenty of BEAUTIFUL games with minimal/monochromatic color schemes.

all of the initial previews and hands-on with this title have been very positive. it appears that this game is going to have a solid single player mode, and now it appears to have a very solid and comprehensive multi-player mode as well. the levels are huge and there's even clan support. i don't know what anyone could possibly be complaining about yet, since we haven't even gotten to play it in the form of a demo or beta test.

if you just don't like the PS3, that's fine. but hating on this game for it's use of color seems really petty and insecure. i don't know, but it definitely feels like this game is drawing a LOT of negative aggression from insecure owners of OTHER consoles...

laser beams

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: It's a nice way of calling you a fanboy fag.

OmegaWolf

@zanzibarlegend: I couldn't have said it any better.

OmegaWolf

@OmegaWolf: What's a 'troll'?

Hobo_Hot_Dog

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: Nothing, as long as your not being a troll. But seeing your comments on both this and the Socom page, I'd say your being a troll.

OmegaWolf

@Astrofox:

Where aaaaaaare youuuu?
I'm over heeeeeere!

Rise of the Triad online muliplayer was so, so much fun.

gnugeek

@AkaMagi:

It doesn't. It's not.

Lorrr

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: Is there a reason this guy hasn't been disemvowelled yet?

boringjob2

Does anybody else see how Resistance 2, Killzone 2 and SOCOM: Confrontation seem to be testing out features, gameplay, infrastructure, etc. for MAG?

At least I hope this is what they are consciously doing. Seems a wise choice to use full games that will be bought like crazy to test out the tech so MAG works very well upon release.

boringjob2

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: They're like assholes.

And yours stinks excessively of troll.

boringjob2

@xCruciaLx: We can certainly dream, can't we?

boringjob2

I don't know if this game is any good. But good god damn, it sure LOOKS incredible. I'm excited. I hope the game is fun. Doesn't have to be groundbreaking. Just fun.

boringjob2

@boringjob2: That's called accents, noob. Please, deny that this game has a brown:other color ratio of 4:1.

Hobo_Hot_Dog

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: h. Kllzn s brwn?

Funny, i see gray, red, yellow, orange.

Oh, i see the problem. You forgot to take off your +10 troll shades.

boringjob2

mmm mmmmm mmmmmm This game looks tasty!

mfwahwah

@laser beams: you get cool points as I'm playing through SotC right now. That is truly a work of art and a great example. Fallout 3 is another great example as I've not read one comment on the constant grey in its palette.

So what are we seeing here? Sheep mentality again? "Let's hate on Killzone because he did it over there or he said it was too brown too".... Why is it a shooter on PS3 is derivative but a shooter on 360 is innovative when they both do the same thing...deathmatch, campaign, shoot people get shot? Are 360 fans so afraid of a gorgeous game on a different machine that they have to rip it even before it's finished? Awesome

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

You called someone a "noob" on an internet message board. Go outside on a sunny day and eat an ice cream cone on a peaceful park bench. This is your intervention.

HumanResources

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: fail. I could easily say that CoD4 and Halo are nothing more than QuakeIII and UT99 rip offs. yeah...epic fail.

Striderhayasa - Phillyyakk on PSN and Live.

But I forgot the golden rule in dealing with trolls ; ; . Quoted :

Veltis

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: Go read, thats a troll : [communitiesonline.homestead.com]

Veltis

ENOUGH.

Back on topic.

Spoony Bard

hey hobo_hot_dog, can you shut the fuck up please? thanks

argosy

Killzone 2 looks cool, but I wished Sony was publishing more RPG's or colorful adventures like klonoa, Jack and Dexter... you know EA and other companies are making similar titles like call of duty....

I'm very excited about motorstorm but again, can't we have something like mario galaxy? looks like a wonderful game, and why Sony is not investing in producing characters like Yoshi or something might sound gay to you but at least admit mr. Miyamoto has loads of creativity, I mean there must be something for everyone not just blood and destruction, Banjo Kazooie is a very nice example of what Microsoft should have produced since the beginning, xbox 360 owners are getting fable 2. SONY MOVE YOUR ASS your game productions are taking so long time!

heirdt

You know what game is gray all over and yet one of the best ever released? Shadow of the Colossus. Is anyone going to say the game had colors or wasn't any good? No? Good. Now don't ever mention any game sucking because it only has one color. Also, wasn't MGS3 really really green? Come on people.

I didn't care for KZ2 for about 3 years, but now that the classes info came, I really can't wait to check it out. I love class mixing

Kaneda

@heirdt: Uhhh, does Little Big Planet not count?

nitromic

@Hobo_Hot_Dog: Man people who say this game is too brown need to READ THE FUCKING GAME PLOT. This game takes place on the main Hellghast planet which happens to be a very dark, inhospitable, rock-covered place. The Hellgahn were forced there after the Federation took over their (fun, happy, bright-land) planet. The reason they wear those crazy suits with Red Eyes is entirely because of that planet's harsh environment and atmosphere. I am glad they went for realism and didn't make everything bright to make the trolls happy. By the way I recommend everyone read the plot line, because this series really has an amazing plot behind it. Personally I think it puts Halo to shame in the plot department, because it plays out as a more realistic version of humanities own future. I just hope they spend alot of time in the game showing the player why they are there and the reason for the war.

nitromic

I still question the wisdom of a glowy-eyed sniper. One with an extra eye, even. Good thing he has a cloak.

So, do the human models have the equivalent of targets painted on their faces too?

@nitromic: They aren't trolls: they're just sick of brown. The problem with all the monochrome is that all the games that do use it for valid thematic reasons, like KZ2 and the new PoP, get tarred with the same brush as the games that do it for "gritty realism".

Jonn

Those 3 Red Lights.

Will be one of the reason of a sniper's death in KZ2.

:)

xCruciaLx

@heirdt: ratchet and clank and lbp are 2 examples of color friendly games.

zanzibarlegend

@spacecoffin2: *YAWNS*

KREEPYKRAWLLY

@spacecoffin2: WOW... you broke that shit down!

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)