@OmegaVader: Then they'd better start saving their pennies, and get a PS3, right? That was what you were going to say next, right?

I mean, I don't understand this logic the gaming community (the Xbox crowd mostly) has about exclusivity. The only way a game can be successful, or make any money is if it's out on the 360, right? even if it's a 360 exclusive?

PS3 exclusives never sell, right? Or are you just saying that there shouldn't be any more exclusives? I just don't get it.

Get a PS3 if you want to play PS3 games. Or are you all just mad because you think you can't make up your minds on which console you really want? whats wrong with having both, if both have games you want to play? if you can't afford it, then that is a different problem entirely. It's not Sony's fault you don't have the money to buy their system.

Whatever. I respect Kojima to the fullest for sticking to his guns, and not worrying about what console means what. He made the game for the PS3. its a PS3 exclusive. If you want to play it, buy a PS3. end of story. Just like if I want to play Fable 2 at my own lesure, I'll have to buy a 360. Thems the breaks.

0rin

"it's not about the hardware - I want people to look at the game itself."
Dude, in order to do that, I would need the hardware for it right? So if it was on another set of hardware (PC or 360), I could do that right?

(not that I'm interested in the MGS series, I'm just saying)

Oh, and people who buy a 400-500 dollar system for one game are crazy.

Akin

If it was about the money he would have gone multi platform by now. If it was for the game then stick to one platform and work on it like crazy.

As opposed to "let more people enjoy it". I have to say, its also our job to stop being such console fanbois... then maybe Kojima will get the results he truly deserves.

Its not just about the creator you know, its also about us. Its a mutual relationship, and if you respect gaming then you should respect Kojimas decision to stick with one platform.

Fauxe

Anyone who's actually played MGS4 knows it will never be on the 360. Now,whens the wii version coming out...

*runs*

Grassy_Knoll

@selfhatingotaku:

While I agree with you on fanboy motivation, I'm still at a loss to see this as being mainly about fanboys.

Do people really think this question (when will exclusive be ported to other platform) is just motivated by fanboys and their desire to one-up each other?

If some game is suppose to be good and not available on the hardware I own, do the creators want me to just STFU or do they want me to be interested in the prospect of a port?

I'd have to think the later, because the former means I 100% of the time do not support their work.

I can see the guy being human and being annoyed by the constant questioning, but him saying he wishes people would simply appreciate the game misses the point that the reason people are asking this question is because they can't simply appreciate the game.

Maybe I'm way off here, but it kind of seems to me like this whole thing is about the creator and his reaction to his audience and not so much about his audience.

dbushik

MGS4 on Wii confirmed. q:

Frank

@Antic791: Kojima aint the guy to get too upset over sales.

pandafresh

@Illrigger: He is also lucky he owns his own dev studio and most of the intellectual properties...

Darn, that lucky Kojima! If it wasn't for luck, he'd be NOWHERE!

Aex

i'm a PS360 owner, and i completely agree with the dude. but i guess it's easy for me to do that, since i'm enjoying the best of both worlds. to those too blind by fanboy loyalty to purchase multiple platforms; well, that's just tough! suck it up and move on already! don't you have Fable 2 and Gears of War 2 to look forward to anyway?

exclusives rock! unless the console manufacturer paid for them. even then they're still pretty cool.

atrimus

real MGS fans have already bought PS3 and MGS4. only retarded population waits for 360 release.

animexplorer

"What kind of disturbs me sometimes, because a lot of people ask me about this PS3/360 question, is that it's not about the hardware - I want people to look at the game itself. Sometimes I even feel like it should be on a PC so that people don't ask me about hardware and platforms," said Kojima

That is pure BS - he is probably getting paid good to keep it exclusive, if he really wanted people to look at the "game itself" it would release it on PC, and the 360, not just PS3. Just a bunch of bull talk coming from Hideo. Oh and it is possible on the PC, so he has no excuse.

Smash88

Well, make your damn games multiplatform instead of archaic exlusive fanboy bait and you won't get asked these questions DERHAY.

justhesh

@FP_slomo788: Implying that I'm a fanboy means that you missed my point.

@Candlejack: He's obviously a great game designer. Big deal. He can do whatever the hell he wants with his IP. If he's going to limit his audience for no good reason well then he's also a tool.

@SlashZaku: If the option wasn't on the table to port it then the questioning would stop. You don't hear people whine for Halo 3 ports do you?

BaseVilliN

@Xemnas:
So did Final Fantasy... oh wait... LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

corronchilejano

@Antic791:
Yeah... cause he released ALL Metal Gears on popular platforms *COUGH* Msx *COUGH*.

I want my MGS4 on my GBA.

corronchilejano

MGS belongs on the Playstation brand exclusively. That's all I'm saying here. It is an absolute truth.

Xemnas

@Antic791: Sadly, that makes a lot of sense. I can only imagine the crap he takes from the BoD on why a well-reviewed MGS title isn't even going to make the top 10 best selling games of the year, when by all rights it could have made GTA-like money. That's a potential job-loser in a US corporation - he's lucky he's Japanese.

Illrigger

@NeVeRMoRe666: "and the Nintendo"

...lol I found that a funny typo on my part. Made me sound like my parents...

NeVeRMoRe666

@Ungruntled: "You never expected Sonic on a SNES, and never Mario on a Megadrive [Genesis]. Stop hassling the man and cough up your cash"

Theres a few problems with that statement however. First, I found it humerous how you said we "never expected" and of course we didn't, but look at how Sonic is on every platform now AND was in a game with Mario. Just because we never thought, doesn't mean it will never happen. Second, it suggests that the Metal Gear Series is deeply intertwined with Sony. But is it? It isn't exactly Mario to Nintendo is it? There have been ports of the Metal Gear franchise to both the xbox and the Nintendo in the past and AND the Metal Gear Series certainly didn't begin on the Playstation.

But like I said, its one game. Theres lots of other worth while games that deserve our attention even more so than the MGS series (if you wanted it, you would have got it already). If he doesn't want to port it, thats his loss (in revenue) not ours.

NeVeRMoRe666

It seems 360 fanboys are only want MGS4 to come out on the 360 so that they can rub it in the faces of PS3 fanboys.

selfhatingotaku

He's probably just upset that he picked the system that has the smallest installed base. Just imagine the sales that MSG4 would have gotten on the 360. People do get upset when you constantly remind them of a massive mistake.

Antic791

360 gets final fantasy,
how's that for a roflfest?

Shocky-

@kingmanic:

I completely agree. The question here to me though, and maybe I'm way off, isn't about the hardware reality as much as it is about a creator kind of completely missing the hardware reality.

You want me to care about your game. I can only do that if you release it on the hardware I have (based on the reality we both clearly see).

If you prefer silence to people actually being interested in your work...cool. I really don't think most creators think that way however. Like most everyone, they kind of like paychecks.

He wants people to appreciate his game instead of asking when they will be able physically to appreciate it. There's some logical progression missing there...

dbushik

@ariete: my point was that people keep asking, and he gives the same answer time and time again.

No.

Time to just move on, don't ya think?

bakagaijin

@FP_slomo788: Oh man. That's so awesome. Wish I had the resources to pull a costume like that off.

Candlejack

@FP_slomo788: well look at that. Guess he isn't a robot. lol

y2julio

@SlashZaku: There are those that get it, and those that don't. Those that don't I steer clear of like the fucking plague.

bakagaijin

@BaseVilliN: He's said that during development and before the PS3 was finalized, his team and Sony were talking a lot about what could be done and what couldn't (in the game and with feedback for the hardware). So they have a pretty good relationship. Sony is also, according to Konami's E3 conference, a 'marketing partner' for the game. Add in the product placements of the PS3, PSP, PS1 and Dual Shock (Blu-Ray too if you want to).

Calling him a 'tool' is just off base.

SlashZaku

I want MGS4 for my TurboGrafx-16... What... is that too far?

But then I could get it on Virtual Console one day so I could play it on my Wii.

Eltigro

@antialias02: History is working against these people. There was a clamor for MGS2 for the xbox. It happened. Sales weren't good enough to recoup the cost of the port. A backport of the extra content was made to the Ps2 to recoup porting costs.

The 360 vs PS3 is a different situation but the people who really wanted it have already gotten it. Generally the time delayed ports sell less then 1/3 of the original when the port happens. Notable exceptions being Okami which sold more the second round. Maybe RE:4 as well? So Konami must weigh cost of port vs a conservative estimate of 1/3 of MGS4 sales.

kingmanic

I'll also point out that nobody is asking when GoW2/Fable2/L4D/etc are coming out on the PS3. That can say a couple things, really. It can say that the 360 really has more traction than the media would like us to believe. It can say that nobody cares about these games. It can say that most people who have a PS3 already have a 360 anyway, but the reverse isn't so.

The one thing it absolutely says? People who game on a 360 aren't all that excited about shelling out for a PS3, and MGS4 wasn't a good enough game to change that.

Illrigger

@FP_slomo788:
I saw the guy dressed up as snake, I even have a few pictures with him. He went around "choking" people... He was awesome!

Cloud92

@Ungruntled: That logic doesn't really follow, because Kojima would more likely than not make more money due to resulting sales by squishing it down. It's not like he's gonna take a loss by doing this.

antialias02

@BaseVilliN: Wow. I don't care for all the stuff you say about the game being exclusive or not because frankly it's a done story for me. I loved every minute of this game and props to Kojima.

But you gotta stop calling the guy a tool like that. You are insulting what is to me and many others the greatest game designer in fucking existence. Okay?

Candlejack

@BaseVilliN: I'm sure you're breaking his heart by not buying a PS3 to play his game. Did Microsoft pay for your exclusivity?

FP_slomo788

@bakagaijin: how does wanting a game released on a platform i own make me childish?

you are a BAKA gaijin indeed.

ariete

@y2julio: Well I can give you the one about the fan, but I didn't take any pictures at the event itself unfortunately [multiplayerblog.mtv.com]

@suya123: Yeah, but I got there very late and I couldn't even get my copy signed because Kojima's hands turned liquid from signing all the other copies. It was still fun though. Did you get yours signed?

FP_slomo788

@bakagaijin:

"I never understood the small minds of fanboys. It's not coming out on 360. If you want it, go buy a PS3."

Okay, but the question here isn't about people wanting the game so much as Hideo wanting people to want his game, right? I mean, in this particular discussion.

It's in a creators interest to make his creation accessible. If he doesn't want people asking about the game moving to a platform that makes the game accessible for them, I sure hope he doesn't mind the silence of those same people not being interested in his work at all because that is the alternative.

I honestly don't think this is about fanboys at all. I own a 360, but am in no way a fan boy. If you want me to "look at (your) game itself"...well you kind of have to give me access to it.

It's all cool if you don't, but then don't be suprised or upset when I don't give your game the time of day.

dbushik

Buh? I think it's definitely about the game, and hoardes of MGS fans who haven't the money to buy a PS3 but own a 360... If there really are people who want it for the 360 because they believe it's superior then, I'd agree. Well, I'm sure there are a few. (CYA Note: I think all console fanboyism is stupid, I was making no comment on the superiority of either console here.)

Garro

Hey, it will cost you- the gamer- far less money to buy a PS3 than it would for him- Kojima/Konami- to squish it down to a 360.

Kojima's a wise man, a prophet and a genius and knows by the time it's squished down, 360 will be on the way out anyway.

C'mon, you KNOW it in your hearts. You wanna play MGS4, get a PS3. You want to play Gears of War 2, get a 360. That is the way it works. You never expected Sonic on a SNES, and never Mario on a Megadrive [Genesis]. Stop hassling the man and cough up your cash.

Ungruntled

If Hideo Kojima wants to get back to games maybe he should stop doing interviews and get to work.

Same with MGS series, just make a new series already. Stop saying your not going to make a Metal Gear game and you want to make something else and then make another Metal Gear game.

Because he has reversed himself so many times in the past on the issue on whether or not he will make another Metal Gear game. So in a way he brought it on himself and should not be surprised or disturbed that no one believes him anymore.

NullsRevenge

@ryivanV2: It's not *my* problem. It's his problem. Clearly I don't want the game enough to buy a PS3 but I'd be interested in a 360 release.

Unless Sony has paid for exclusivity he is a tool for keeping it PS3 only.

Won't break my heart if I never get to play it; I only played MGS2.

BaseVilliN

@bakagaijin: I think part of the point is that not everybody can *afford* to purchase both consoles. Those that can, fantastic!

Even short of that, I have no intention of buying a PS3 just to play one game. I mean, I would love to play MGS4. So, if I were a 360 owner, I would simply keep bugging the dev to port it until it happened. Much cheaper in the long run, and if I get what I want, so much the better.

Besides, I'm not sure name-calling is going to make anybody stop doing it.

antialias02

@dbushik: Actually most people who want a port either

1- Can't afford or can't justify buying all 3 or even 2 of the 3 major platforms.

2- Console fanboys who would never consider having more then their chosen 1 or 2.

Everyone asking the question has a hardware reason one way or the other. You wouldn't care otherwise.

kingmanic

Hey, if you don't want people asking you dumb questions about when your game is coming out on platform "x" (pun intended), then put the game out on all the platforms and stop selling out to one vendor or the other. After all, nobody is asking when The Force Unleashed is coming out on any given platform.

Wait - PC? What? Really? (Ducks!)

Illrigger

@FP_slomo788: Pictures or it didn't happen! :p

y2julio

Oh whats the point? Theres lots of great exclusives coming out for the 360 to enjoy in the upcoming months. Theres Fable 2, Gears of War 2, Left 4 Dead, Tales of Vespia, Infinite Undiscovery, Star Ocean 4, Last Remenant and I'm sure others I'm forgetting. Not to mention Fallout 3 and other multi-platforms. I realize MGS4 was one superb game (even if it wasn't my cup of tea) but maybe people should just let it go? Theres enough good games for us to play now that we don't really need a half ass port. Believe me, I have it and I wasn't totally impressed (but don't flame me, that's just my opinion and I have very little patience for games like that). Besides, look at the poor guy, look at how grumpy he looks.

:(

If anything, I would want LBP but thank god I have both systems :)

NeVeRMoRe666

@bakagaijin: It's been said before: You want to play MGS4, get a PS3.

If I want to play Gears of War 2, I'm not going to sit around b****ing and moaning asking for a PS3 version. I'll look at what other exclusives the 360 has and if there are enough of interest, I'll get a 360 (again).

Simple f'ing concept really.

SlashZaku

@Dman4Life8017: The uncompressed audio was used for mixing purposes. Using compressed audio means there will have to be trade offs made for quality elsewhere. As well MGS4 streamed the audio off disk while it read textures and gamedata from the HD. Sort of topping off the bandwidth to memory by by using two sources. HDD+2x BD Transfer > HDD transfer > 12x DVD tranfer > 2x BD Transfer.

A 360 port is completely possible with some trades offs in audio and visual quality, but depending on what agreement that Konami has with Sony and how Konami thinks a port will sell; we may or may not get a 360 MGS4. A 360 MGS4 wouldn't be universally worse. It'd assuredly have more content and maybe a higher framerate but textures will be smaller and the audio mix worse. Maybe a lot of the ambient audio would be cut out.

PS. Also, how do you know 85% of it was audio?

kingmanic

*fool, rather.

OmegaVader

"...it's not about the hardware - I want people to look at the game itself."

Well, if you want me to look at the game itself, I'd kind of have to have the appropriate hardware to do that.

The vast majority of people out there asking the hardware question aren't doing so because they have the hots for a particular system and are so concerned with that particular hardware, it's because they are actually interested in having access to the game so they can "look at the game itself".

I mean come on Hideo, it's like you're putting on a show of your paintings in a darkroom and are annoyed why everyone keeps asking when you're going to turn on the lights instead of being interested in the paintings. Well duh...

dbushik

Well, Hideo, the other 70% of gamers who weren't full enough to buy a ps3 want a go at MGS4...

OmegaVader

I never understood the small minds of fanboys. It's not coming out on 360. If you want it, go buy a PS3.

You know those people who continueously ask for something, whining and crying even when they know they aren't going to get it?

Me too. They're called children. Annoying little buggers.

bakagaijin

By now, game developers should realize that they would be treated like hollywood stars, and WE need to fucking disturb, annoy and ask for More.

AlejandroLestad

@GlibGamer: I would think it's the media that ask, not random fanboys while he travels all over Japan or whatever, nobody has a 360 in Japan anyway, ha :P

Agnates

@Saint Anima: Wasn't involved with the NES version, that is.

Saint Anima

@antialias02: To fully utilize the full potential of a console. Ex. Uncharted

UltimateIdiot

But when will MGS5 be on the 360!?

twesterms 2nd

short, sweet, informative and FUNNY!

Great article!

Awoken is waiting for R2

@theboyfrombrasil: Again, Metal Gear wasn't on Nintendo first. The Nintendo Metal Gear was a bad port of the original MSX version...which Kojima wasn't even involved with.

Saint Anima

@FP_slomo788: You were there too!? That means I 'saw you' in real life slomo.

suya123

No means No. This isn't like camp.

Buttah

@SlashZaku:

I never thought of it that way... Good point!

theboyfrombrasil

@Dman4Life8017: Oh. Cool. Where is your source about the audio.

ryivanV2

@theboyfrombrasil: Pressed on MGS4's exclusivity and the possibility of an Xbox 360 port, Kojima reiterated that the PS3 had been chosen because he believed that the series' success had been entwined with PlayStation's, and admitted that "because MGS4 was optimised for the PS3 it is probably not possible".

Try reading the article next time.

mfwahwah

@presidentrich: Why are console exclusives a good thing?

antialias02

So... when is MGS4 coming to the 360?

Wizzard

@Dman4Life8017: The game of MGS4 is not very big. 85% of the disc is uncompressed audio. the game is 36gb. If compressed, i'm sure they could get it to fit on 2-3 DVD9s.

Proof?

Candlejack

@theboyfrombrasil: Pressed on MGS4's exclusivity and the possibility of an Xbox 360 port, Kojima reiterated that the PS3 had been chosen because he believed that the series' success had been entwined with PlayStation's, and admitted that "because MGS4 was optimised for the PS3 it is probably not possible".
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Kojima has said that the game was for the MGS fans. If you were a MGS fan, it doesn't require common sense (or maybe it does) to figure where the installment was going to end up. No need to hear these annoying "When's it coming to 360" gripes because people jumped in head first. People should look a little more into their console purchases (exclusives mainly).

SlashZaku

MGS2 was on PC, so it would make perfect sense to port MGS4 over as well.

D00mM4r1n3

@BaseVilliN: So fundamentally your problem is your don't have a PS3 so the solution is you buy one?

ryivanV2

Also, The game of MGS4 is not very big. 85% of the disc is uncompressed audio. the game is 36gb. If compressed, i'm sure they could get it to fit on 2-3 DVD9s. People have shown that they're not opposed to swapping out discs. It's not the biggest deal ever.

Dman4Life8017

You heard it hear first. MGS4 going to PC. Kojima working on PC exclusively in the future!

Being serious here, I don't blame him for feeling this way. It must get pretty annoying after a while. It's all "journalists" seem to care about. He cares about the game, not the platform.

LittleBigPlaneteer

I really should play MGS4...

(dodges pitchforks)

vid3oman64

Console exclusives are a GOOD thing. I'm glad MGS4 will stay on the triple.

presidentrich

I really wonder why people think he doesn't/didn't make a lotta money...for one thing he made bucketloads on MGS1, MGS2 and MGS3, remakes and re-releases not counted, and also MGS4 had very good sales and will still sell as more people pick up a PS3. It's a must have...

Candlejack

@greeble: I agree. I have no problem with PS3 owners getting the "Full effect" so long as there is *some* effect to be had on the 360 or even PC.

antialias02

@FP_slomo788: That's not the point. He's saying, 'don't look at the system look at the game,' while I'm saying, 'why look at the game if I don't have a system to play it on.'

BaseVilliN

@y2julio: He was happy when that guy had the Snake costume at one of the launch events. I saw him smile when they greeted him there too. So HA!

FP_slomo788

@GlibGamer: Some of them are jealous.

Some =/= all.

jonathan.

can you really blame him? Look at it from his perspective he spends his time making his game lets say i made a game on the psp. And everytime i got an interview about my masterpiece they just ask me if i'm going to port it over its a slap in the face in my opinion. He obviously doesn't have any plans to or it would be underway now or multi to start with.

gabelogan

I'm all for multiplatform releases as long as the vision is not compromised. If MGS4 was made for both systems in mind I'm pretty sure the textures would have suffered. (I suspect that MGS4: subsandwich or what ever might get a 360 port at some time in the future, but I'm glad MGS4 was made with only the ps3 in mind.)

greeble

Maybe Bill Gates touched him in the wrong spot when he was young? (X_x)

CrashOverride777

I hear ya Hideo, I wish everyone would stop talking about platforms period.

That said, it's obvious that the superior platform is the PC anyway ;)

gaijira

@BaseVilliN: Fair enough, but if the questioned is asked thousands of times and each time has the exact same "No, not coming to 360" answer it would eventually break your soul.

ryivanV2

"He will not be happy." Is he ever happy? Seriously, like every picture I've seen of him on Kotaku he is always serious.

y2julio

I remember when Metal Gear was on Nintendo first. Loyalty means nothing, its all about the almighty dollar. That or Power.

You can have a great game without extreme power from a console.

theboyfrombrasil

His was true. Kojima only likes to be high fived, I haven't washed my hand since that day. Mmm June 1st. :D

Arnold Rimmer's Garden Strimmer

Someone should ask him about ZoE3 D:

betto

If it isn't about the hardware then why did he so much press for Sony's platform and gush on blu-ray in the game itself?

TheGuilty1

@theboyfrombrasil: I can't understand why so many people want it multi-platform. Why can't a game be optimized for a specific system? Why should PS3 owners get jipped from the full potential of MGS4.

I love exclusive, there are games on 360 that I would like and I wouldn't want to see it on PS3 if it's optimized for the 360. I believe a game reaching full potential and be played the way it's meant to play instead of allowing more people to play but with a dumb down version.

UltimateIdiot

@BaseVilliN: Because "buy a PS3 to play my game" is an even harder concept amirite?

FP_slomo788

I would buy it on PC. Problably have the same tech specs as Crysis though.

MrMister

/fail

If you want more people to "look" at the game, make it multiplatform.

balls187 upside yo head

If he wanted people to stop asking that question so badly...

...he would have ported it time ago :D

Akomander

What a tool. We ask 'cause maybe we are interested in your software but not interested in getting a PS3. What a hard concept.

BaseVilliN

He probably *should* have developed it on a PC, if it bothers him that much to be asked. I mean, it's a great game, but we're edging toward an era where exclusivity simply means decreased total sales with a silver lining that smacks of fanboy elitism.

Not cool.

(Full disclosure: I currently own neither PS3 nor 360, but plan on purchasing a 360 in the coming months.)

antialias02

MGS4 on PC confirmed! I knew it all along.

FP_slomo788

I think only retards and Destructoid community members think MGS4 is headed to the 360. No offense of course.

Action-Bastard

@theboyfrombrasil: It takes up most of a dual layer (50GB) bluray disc. That's why.

About time Hideo said something like this. I'm getting rather sick of hearing the question, and I'm not even part of the game's dev team.

Doctor_Hair

eh, he's loyal to the company that brought him to the dance. Before Metal Gear Solid, the Metal Gear series wasn't all that big, and he was known for his offbeat type games. So him saying it was optimized for ps3, him towing the company line. If Konami wanted it bad enough, and needed to recoup the money they spent on making the game, they would port it over to the 360 in a heart beat. The industry has shown that it doesn't need the original designers in place when you already have the core work already finished to do a port. I.e. Twin Snakes for GC, Ninja Gaiden Sigma for Ps3, Final Fantasy 13 for 360, etc... The list goes on.

Dman4Life8017

yeah guys... stop it.

drunkentyger

Well, it truly is about the game for him. Because it's definitely not about money.

jonathan.

So if the 360 fellas weren't a bit jealous, why would this question be getting asked all the time?

*ducks from flaming rotten tomatoes*

GlibGamer

I dont understand why it cant be multi-platform, if its just about the game, then wouldnt you want more people enjoying it? It makes it seem liek you only want your vision/creation just for a specific audience instead of everyone.

That goes for all exclusives IMO.

theboyfrombrasil

I hope an interviewer asks him the question, and he punches that interviewer straight in the face.

exkon

Is that...a cardboa---A PC? OH SNAKE!

Candlejack

@gaijira: YES PREACH ON!!!

LEAVE HIDEO ALON! HE'S A HUMAN BEING!!!

cihx

MGS4 on PC CONFIRMED!

Quicksilver4648

If he's got so much invested in the PS3, I wonder why he even wanted Snake to be in Brawl...

Of course, the presence of Snake in Brawl means that we can't rule out the possibility of a MGS game on the Wii. Probably a port of 2 and/or 3, though, not 4...

Paviel

If I had an opportune moment to ask the great Hideo Kojima a question, I wouldn't waste it on something silly as console preference or even his future ideas on games. I'd simply ask: Why the fuck do you look 20 years old when you're 45?

DirtySyko

You know why it's annoying people keep asking? Because the dude's already said NO.

It doesn't matter whatever rationale you guys come up with. Whether or not it was a smart decision. What he's talking about here is the plain old aggravation that comes with people asking you the same question over and over and over again. One that you've given definitive answers every single time.

Psudonym

Kojima is one of the few developers that I truly respect.

XeroKool

@BaseVilliN:

That's the first thing I thought when I read it ... What a Tool

Tiejen

@BaseVilliN:

I honestly don't see how that's true. If you look at all of the product placement (PSPs, ipods, etc) you'd see that they're mostly rival products of Microsoft(Zune anyone?).

I'm sure that it could be played on the 360, however it would require multiple disks, and in my opinion that would be even more annoying than the install times. I used those load times to my advantage, it allows me to make food and use the restroom while I wait.

I'm curious as to why you believe his argument doesn't make sense.

Thrazor

@corronchilejano:

Wow... You're a jerk.

Xemnas

Oh yes, metal gear solid 4 sold so well, much better than multi-platform games like call of duty 4. That's how he can justify not making more money for konami, you know the publisher? The people who bankroll his games?

Come on, there were xbox ports of metal gear solid 2, so none of this "Exclusivity" argument. Port the game, make more money.

raiseplease

@atrimus: "exclusives rock! unless the console manufacturer paid for them. even then they're still pretty cool."

Umm...they so DO NOT ROCK. The only one who benefits from exclusives is the hardware manufacturers. Look at third party developers like Squaresoft, who stand to profit by releasing FFXIII on multiple platforms but lose if they only release it on one. Look at people (like me) who have shelled out way more on consoles so that I could play all games when (in world of no exclusivity) I could have paid half that price to play the games I wanted to play. You sir, do not rock, you monster.

NeVeRMoRe666

I wish he put it on the PC.

Mechalon

instead of waiting 8 mins for each chapter to load, we caould wait 30secsounds for us to switch another dvd in the drive.

QuickPick

@jelloman581: haha. good one!

bakagaijin

See, even Kojima is even tired of the whole console fanboy whining.

EnigmaNemesis

@Thrazor: Because his argument makes no sense.

BaseVilliN

Sears already confirmed it, denial is not pretty.

jelloman581

@Aex: 'Seem' being the keyword. Sure it did well... just not compared to platform agnostic AAA titles.

BaseVilliN

@atrimus:

"exclusives rock! "

Well, I hope you're being sarcastic. If not, I'd love to hear a logical justification for your opinion.

Identical game - in one universe it plays on all platforms, in another it only plays on one of three. Game is the same all the way around otherwise.

How does the game in the first universe rock any less hard than the one in the second uni?

Without getting into digging our most petty and base emotions, I can't see where justification would be.

Seriously. I'd love to be enlightened on this one.

dbushik

@BaseVilliN:

How does that make him a tool? Konami has said again and again that MGS4 is not coming to the 360, yet people pester them with those same questions constantly.

Hell, I'd be annoyed, too.

Thrazor

I had something witty to say, but I realize that every time this topic comes up, it spawns that same rhetoric and unsubstantiated reports on how MGS4 compresses or doesn't compress it's data, how it draws from the disk and HDD, or how it would take several disks for 360.

I'd love to see it on the 360, but I would most assuredly buy it for the PS3 once I have the money for her.

Anarchist_Gamer

Well why doesn't he explain why he decided to be an idiot and make a super expensive game exclusively for the worst selling console? Does he not like making money? If that was the case then problem solved lol.

Elwood2112

"its about the game" Well if i don't own the platform you've released the game on, i can't play it can i?

Thats the obvious reason why people would like to see it on other platforms, he should realise that.

Walker

PC gaming FTW!

Games are cheaper.

But seriously.... I own every console known to man and I really could care less what system it is on. I think it is the OTHER game dev's that are going multi-plat that are to blame for everybody asking Kojima these questions, because realistically.... In about 5 years no third party will play exclusive to any platform without TONS of $ thrown their way.

P.S. Wouldn't it be funny if tomorrow he annoucned it was on the 360 just to shut everybody up? I would lol for realz. Plus, he would make a ton more $$$

VladMalice

@BaseVilliN: Going by pre-holiday sales numbers and history, it doesn't seem he should be bothered by the "limiting" of a "potential audience".

Aex

If he wanted more people to "look at the game itself", he would've made sure it was on 360, too! So it obviously is about platform at some level. Especially the "I'm too poor to buy more than one console, and got a 360 over a year ago" level.
It's not like everyone can just go ahead and buy another console to appease every internet fanboy.

Pombar

@Bauske: Point he tries to make is he doesn't care, it's his game and it's a PS3 game, he thinks MGS has ties with PlayStation, plus this game couldn't be possible on any other platform. Those are his words.

Live with it.

Candlejack

How can the creator of such a brilliant game be so stupid as to think that console doesn't matter? Not everyone own every modern console on the market, Mr. Kojima. Some of us don't think the PS3 is worth the price, but would still like to play the game. It should be taken as a compliment that 360 owners are complaining.

Bauske

@dbushik:

exclusives rock because...um, they drive hardware sales, which is pretty much the catalyst for competition in the home console industry.

atrimus

That is the worst response ever.

I want to look at the game, but I don't want to buy a PS3 to do it. The hardware question IS important because 10 million people (or whatever the 360 install base is) really want to be able to see the game to ask him questions about it, but they can't.

Lou3000

@cihx: Yeah, seriously. I need to know the kind of skin care product he uses.

Turambar

I'd be pissed too if people couldn't seem to understand the concept of being EXCLUSIVE. He designed MGS4 with the purpose of pushing the PS3 to it limits. Not the 360, not the PC, not those Wiis that people love to play with, just the PS3. If the ignorance of people can't comprehend that, he doesn't have to validate his position for answering it.

Karisu-Zero

Bring it to PC Mr. K, I've got cash in hand waiting to purchase.

mva5580

How about this idea? Kojima isn't brining it to the 360 because he simply doesn't want to and he prefers the PS3 over the 360? I don't think it's a crime for a game developer to have preferences. I also think Kojima has the right to get annoyed at a question that is asked on a daily basis and always given the same answer. After awhile, the 360 side starts sounding like kids screaming "Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet?" even if the answer was no the last few hundred times already.

Turambar

@Thrazor: The people interested in a 360 port are the ones without PS3's. He is saying don't worry about hardware, look at my game. Obviously the game's been looked at if he's being badgered to release it on another platform. If he wants people to play his game it's his job to make it available.

BaseVilliN

and wtf hideo is 45?! he looks like he 25. what kind of cereal does he eat?

cihx

@BaseVilliN: Well, even at it's peak MGS only sold 5.6mil and interest in the franchise has been waning ever since. If the best MGS game, MGS3, could only sell 4mil to a "potential audience" of 100mil and MGS4 has already sold 3mil, I don't think they are missing out on much by not going multi-plat.

Aex

@Thunder-1:
Your comment about PS3 owners never stating the infamous "they would make more" comment regarding GOW and Fable 2 is troubling. Because the fact is they do. Don't forget Halo 3... It's just not seen as much simply due to the fact that there aren't as much PS3 owners.

Otherwise, I completely agree with you. Playstation was just where Kojima skyrocketed to success and one of the main reason he succeeded in the first place. It's no wonder he chose to make it an exclusive. The MGS franchise was intended to be a Playstation game. And that will never change.

Littlefields

@FP_slomo788: As a matter of fact I did. On my end I had friends keeping a spot for me. Sorry about that though...

suya123

Wah! People want to play my game!

hagridore

I think he is very adamnt about the decision, there are puns all over the games about the game being on a PS3 console.

Fenian

So if he wants people to not look at his games by platform but by the graces of the game itself, doesn't it make sense to then release it on multiple platforms, so more people can experience the game? Personally, it's not a matter of fanboy-pride in not purchasing both systems, it's a matter of only having so much damn money in my wallet.

Grue

HIDEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

Jad35

@Lou3000:

So what, every single 360 owner doesn't own a PS3? Get off yourself buddy, Gears and Fable aren't coming over and you don't see PS3 owners whining about "how much more they could make by just porting it" because we know they ain't coming over.

Don't people think that maybe Hideo has enough money that he wants the PS3 to have this one? Just this one? Is that really too hard of a stretch to think "Well given the past history of the love towards the PS2 it's only natural the PS3 would enjoy it too?". Yeah some got ported, but not all of them. Why should Hideo have to lower his game because you won't part with a hundred bucks more that you paid for your 360?

It ain't coming, some games get to be exclusives, I have yet to see any true 360 fan suggest that Fable and GOW get ported so "everyone can enjoy it".

Thunder-1

what a clown, if he wants people to just think about the game then it should be on all consoles

xJOZx

@GlibGamer: Because they're dicks in the world and they think it's fun to watch PS3 fanboys squirm and get bent out of shape at the mere mention of a port ;) I am a dick and I have partaken in dickly activities... It's cute! I personally would really like to see a port. I'm not going to say I don't care. I actually care about as much as I cared about FFXIII, it's nice to know I can play them if I wanted to... I want to feel empowered <3

okenny :) ...building bridges (to hide under)

@Aex: While I agree with Kojima, I have to disagree with your last comment. This , as I have said before, is the first MGS series to the 'next gen' console cycle.
Much better graphics, gameplay, mechanics, etc. Not only that, this was the conclusion to a series, so I think sales wise, they actually are missing out on a lot, sales wise.

R3load

It's a valid question. What a douche.

Letsgohokies

Hideyhole Kopajamas,

Please port MGS4 Solid Gun Snake Patriot to a choose your own adventure book.

Your Buddy,
LanciePants

P.S. Feel free to circle all my choices in red crayon

LanciePants

He shouldn't be to pissed off its a dam videogame, there is always a percentage that will want something different, expanded, or changed if he is this pissy about it he stop talking to these people or tell them that he's the boss, and if they don't like it tough shit.

malmario

@Thunder-1:

well said. i didn't complain when i first saw Gears of War and Fable 2, and heard about Mass Effect, Lost Odyssey etc. i went and got myself a 360. it took a decent chunk out of my limited funds, but i still made it happen. granted, i know a lot of people aren't fortunate enough to own more than one system; but still, it's the nature of the business, and i for one am glad we still have exclusives. otherwise we'd have a stymied industry.

atrimus

@R3load: Let me rephrase... Going multi-plat now... Had they started out multi-plat, I'd imagine they would have sold slightly more, due to the larger install base. I think if they ported it over now, it could be a case where the port costs more to make than it brings in.

Aex

World To Kojima - the demand is there make the damn game. (this coming from an owner of the ps3 version)

ShaggyB

@Letsgohokies: how many times does he need to say no for it to become invalid?

hageshiku

@FP_slomo788:
Yeah! He's crazy to think people shouldn't buy a $400 game console just for his game!

Special shout out to the fanboys in here: fuck you. You have no concept of what it's like to spend $400 on another game platform when your parents buy it all for you.

GreyFoxV1

The big flaw in Kojima's logic is that the people who want MGS4 on 360 haven't played the game, so the closest they can get to talking about the game is talking about how they can't play it.

Pillzee

when is mgs3 coming out for the 360?...

semiconscious

further proof that idiots keep asking for this to happen; never was; never was, never will.

Null-Python

So it's going to be on Virtual Boy! Aha!

Aresef

@R3load:

i don't think it's that bad. obviously Konami'll be missing out on POTENTIAL sales, but currently MGS4 has sold in the neighborhood of 3.4 million in little more than two months, the same amount of time it took Gears of War, 360's second highest selling game, to sell 3 million (to date Gears of War is at 4.7 million). so yeah, they're missing out on potential sales, but at this point i don't think a port is as imperative to Konami as it was back when PS3 install base was in the single-digit millions.

atrimus

Wow. Just wow at this. People can't or don't want to get both systems so the think they are somehow entitled to having all games come to their system. Either you save up and and get a 2nd system so you can play the games that come out on it that you want, or you deal with what you get on your respective system. The man has said time and time again its not happening, that alone should have squashed this type of a discussion and rumor. If you want to play a game its your responsibility to get the system its on, not theirs to put it on the system you brought. Remember gaming is a hobby so there is nothing in it that you are entitled to. If you wanna play MGS4, get a PS3. It's that simple. If you wanna play Gears of war 2, Get a 360. It's that simple.

Neo-Senku: The World's Finest Pervert

Solution: release it for the 360. Then people will shut up about it. Until then, he should be prepared to be asked this question for a loooooong time.

madrigal77

Probably has been said already, but I'll just add mine to the list:

Many, MANY PS2 owners (like me) that have enjoyed the series over the years are now 360 owners instead of PS3 owners. Just like Metal Gear fans were NES owners. And the reason people keep bringing it up is that there are untold millions of fans of MGS that CAN'T afford a PS3 now but want to play it.

What others celebrate as a developer having console loyalty I condemn as a developer being out of touch with the realities of the CURRENT generation of gaming. Instead of complaining about people continually talking to him about it, maybe he should recognize a community calling out to him to him for the very thing he wants them to focus on: his game.

DARTH_TIGRIS

@Đipic: it just goes to show that PS3'ers really enjoy their exclusives and could almost care less about the others.

NexusSIX

@Đipic: i couldn't have said it any better.

bialia

Lay off Kojima. He's just not a sellout. It like people trying to get Beethoven (if he was alive) to release his music with encoded with a 64 bit rate. If I was Kojima, I would pull up my middle finger. Please.. There are limits to quality.

inphi

@Thunder-1: Agreed. The only people complaining are those who can't afford, or parents won't buy them another system. If you want to play the game, buy the system. If not, quit bitching and quit asking when this game and that game are coming to the other system. And it really does seem to come from 360 owners than anyone else. I've never heard "when is Gears coming to PS3, when is Fable coming to PS3, when is Halo coming to PS3, etc." but we never stop hearing "when is MGS4 coming to 360? we just got Final Fantasy, Metal Gear now plzthx"

@Letsgohokies: No, no it's not. It stopped being a valid question when the game was announced as a PS3 exclusive years ago.

Đipic

Seriously, if you just want to "see" the game and not purchase a PS3, why don't all you Xbox'ers rent a PS3 and rent MGS4. Everyone acts like, buying a PS3, to enjoy a game is the end all be all of everything. I'm very sure that renting a PS3 and metal gear is within all of your budgets.

NexusSIX

@bialia: "a think a good percentage of gamers do to. "

that should read
-i- think a good percentage of gamers do -too.-
dang it.

bialia

@Smash88: you mean it's bs that he'd rather answer questions about his frickin' life's work (the games) than get involved the disaster that is this gen's console pr war? he created it for the ps3, it's optimized for -that- specific hardware.

i'm not saying a port to 360 is impossible from a technical standpoint. but who gives a crap? seriously. ps3 has a third party exclusive. you sound like you want to play it. either make it happen, or move on.

the only time that people cry foul on exclusives is when they don't have the platform in question. i'm not gonna get upset that i can't play mass effect, for example- i made my bed, and not all of us are made of money.

don't knock on kojima for finding the whole 360 vs ps3 thing to be old. a think a good percentage of gamers do to.

bialia

It is only a matter of time before its on the 360, I have no doubt about that. Unless Konami isn't in the business of making money, of course...

Muisee

@Đipic: You realize that Gears, Fable, and Halo are all published by Microsoft, right? That makes them first party. MGS4 is published by Konami, a third party. Surely you can comprehend the difference that makes?

To the people acting like this is just 360 fanboys wanting to "feel good" about PS3 losing an exclusive, grow up. I have a 360, I don't have a PS3, and I would love to play this game. It's as simple as that. It's nothing to do with feeling vindicated about "my" console "winning", it's a desire to finish the series I've been playing and enjoying for years. I am perfectly happy to see former 360 exclusives end up on PS3, like Bioshock. More people being able to enjoy a good game is a good thing.

It's sad that some people are so caught up in their corporate cheerleading that they want to see Sony/Microsoft/whoever gain some advantage at the expense of their fellow gamers.

MechaTama31

@360_Fanboys

Cry more 360/PC Fanboys.

If you can't afford a PS3, then shut the hell up because MGS4 is not going multiplat. Quit your bitching. It only makes you weak, but hey, you really are weak anyway.

xCruciaLx

Christ we need some kind of post-editing tool, I accidently posted without finishing and my comment is filled with grammatical errors

TotaleeAwesome

@Elwood2112: Hey, he made his debut on MSX. ever heard of that system?

arionfrost

@pure_orange13: have i woken up in soviet russia?

i guess that means he should be hard at work on the wii and ps2 mgs4 ports now to redeem himself for being such a hypocrite, amirite?

bialia

its funny that MGS 2 substance for xbox wasn't brought up yet. apparently that port was a disaster that Kojima was not entirely happy about.

If you have the special edition version of MGS, take a look at the making of BlueRay DVD. You can really tell that Kojima poured his heart and soul into the game. The last phase of debugging and testing was pure torture for the development team.

If i were a developer, would I go through the trouble of porting a game I specifically designed to work with a particular system's strengths, over to a system just to win over semi casual gamers who are not interested in buying the associated hardware to run the game, let alone a passive interest in my game? Not likely.

A while back, dedicated PC gamers would invest the money to buy the hardware to play the newest games. The same should be said of modern day console gamers. If you want to play a particular game, buy the hardware associated with that game. It's that simple.

arionfrost

@dbushik: People like justification of their purchases, exclusives do this. A gaming console is quite a large investment for its current demographic. The population of gamers with only one console is much larger than those who have two or more. To provide that justification you need to show a competetive edge. The Wii is in a different league and technologically the PS3 and 360 are very similiar (though I personally feel the PS3 edges the 360 out slightly) therefore the competetive will come down largely to games.

The last think I feel many want to see is them having plonked down $300 plus only to see a majority of the triple A games go to the console they dont have. The second degree of logic here would be to purchase the other said console, however many of these gamers wallets would like to defy that logic., In case you havent seen these are tough economic times and $400 investment in a console for one game (although I certainly dont believe the ps3 has only one MGS on offer) doesnt seem worthwhile.

Looking at the situation logically I think what would piss off Kojima is if considerable time was spent redeveloping a title which would then harvest an investment worth less than the seeds. It was developed FOR the Playstation 3 and he has stated on numerous occasions that development began before Sony had even finalised the spec sheets. A reconfigured version would most likely be gimped and would take possibly 1-2 years to produce,

TotaleeAwesome

I agree with others that the people asking these questions just want to be able to play their favourite games without forking out >$1000 for multiple systems. If Kojima wants it to be all about the game, he should make sure everyone who wants to play it, can.

Having worked on PS3 dev, I know that the majority of the space on BR is just filled with uncompressed audio and textures. Compressing to fit onto a DVD wouldn't have too much of an impact on quality. And since I hear 360 development is so much easier, I wouldn't think it would be too much of a headache to port either (Squeenix did it with FF13 and they were saying it was designed from the ground up to be for PS3).

pure_orange13

@DARTH_TIGRIS: I was going to make a realllly realllllllly patronizing post towards you to prove a point. Thankfully, Neo-Senku: The World's Finest Pervert and bialia made the point for me without my patronizing tone...

Aex

@DARTH_TIGRIS: oh bleh. metal gear was announced as a ps3 exclusive before the 360 was ever on sale. you knew what you were getting into when you dropped your hard earned cash on your new console.

this weird sense of entitlement that some gamers have, in regards to exclusives for other platforms, is really mind boggling.

and if money is being tossed around to secure exclusivity? boohoo.
enjoy your gta iv dlc, i say.

bialia

@MechaTama31:

it's as simple as buying the system(s) that has the game(s) you want. if you can't do that (or refuse to), then just settle for what you have a move on.

atrim